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20120426 00:52:19< neofutur> there seem to be a strange bug with 1.10 on timelimit games
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20120426 00:52:38< neofutur> after many turns the turn will end even if I stillhave time left in my time spool
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20120426 01:19:59< Alarantalara> fendrin: anonymissiumus's computer is currently broken, so I don't think he'll be on IRC for a while
20120426 01:22:13< fendrin> Alarantalara: I see. Thanks for the news.
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20120426 02:32:05< shadowm> Dammit, forums. Why are you failing me?
20120426 02:32:16< shadowm> Am I not your favorite overlord anymore?
20120426 02:32:53< shadowm> (The error in question: http://shadowm.rewound.net/f/what.png )
20120426 02:32:57< enchilado> :( :( :(
20120426 02:33:02< enchilado> poor shadowm 
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20120426 02:33:48< shadowm> I'll assume "something" sent a malformed HTTP request.
20120426 02:34:41< shadowm> Because the request in question should've been a POST.
20120426 02:34:50< shadowm> (No pun intended.)
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20120426 04:59:33< neofutur> yupthere is a bug on timelimit in 1.10
20120426 04:59:48< neofutur> lookslike an int overflow or off by one
20120426 04:59:57< neofutur> seem toappear only when my time spool is full
20120426 05:00:02< neofutur> ie i have plenty of time
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20120426 08:06:33< richcollins> Is multiplayer broken in the iPad app?
20120426 08:06:50< shadowm> In a way, yes.
20120426 08:06:53< richcollins> It says "The server requires version 1.10 while you are using version 1.6.3"
20120426 08:07:03< richcollins> shadowm: any workaround?
20120426 08:07:13< shadowm> Not that I know of.
20120426 08:07:34< Ivanovic> richcollins: the problem is that the ipad version is based on a now *really* outdated version
20120426 08:08:05< richcollins> Ivanovic: ah that sucks.  I was looking forward to playing it multiplayer.  Does the iPhone version work?
20120426 08:08:15< shadowm> They are pretty much the same AFAIK.
20120426 08:08:33< shadowm> And in any case the problem is that the 1.6 MP server in wesnoth.org was shut down following the release of 1.10 in January.
20120426 08:08:37< Ivanovic> which is by now about 3 years old (the "normal" 1.6.x series which was released in 2009
20120426 08:09:03< Ivanovic> the problem there is that we don't have the resources to maintain more than the current and the last stable version
20120426 08:09:11< richcollins> Ivanovic: Any other mobile turn based multiplayer strategy games you suggest?
20120426 08:09:15< Ivanovic> which at the moment means 1.8.x and 1.10.x but no loner 1.6.x
20120426 08:09:26< richcollins> looking for something a bit more engaging than "draw something" ;-)
20120426 08:10:42< shadowm> The client-side problem is that unlike the PC version, the Wesnoth iOS port doesn't allow users to connect to an arbitrary MP server.
20120426 08:10:47< ancestral> richcollins: Might be asking the wrong crowd. Check http://toucharcade.com
20120426 08:11:20< shadowm> Otherwise someone could host a MP server for 1.6 clients and the iOS users could connect to that instead of the official server.
20120426 08:12:22< richcollins> ancestral: thx
20120426 08:12:35< shadowm> Given that the official server isn't known for its relentless compliance with 24/7 service times, I'm unsure what was going through the head of the iOS port coder.
20120426 08:16:48< richcollins> shadowm: damn the iPhone app is $3.99 and there are over 5100 reviews.  I'm guessing it was $-)
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20120426 08:17:18< richcollins> I'd bet that's easily 7 figures across both apps
20120426 08:17:38< Ivanovic> richcollins: most sales were during sales for something like 1$ IIRC
20120426 08:17:46< richcollins> ah
20120426 08:19:12< richcollins> That's still pretty damn good.  I know guys that have made 500k on popular 99c apps that have only 2500 reviews
20120426 08:20:54< Ivanovic> no idea how many sales were made
20120426 08:20:55< richcollins> hrm shouldn't the iOS source be available since the project is gpl?
20120426 08:21:19< Ivanovic> it is in some repository
20120426 08:21:47< Ivanovic> was linked from the frontpage while we featured the game, but since we came to realize that the porter basically stopped support we removed the feature
20120426 08:22:36< Ivanovic> anyway, got to leave for work, cu
20120426 08:23:45< richcollins> Ivanovic: thanks have a good one
20120426 08:25:30< ianto> richcollins: http://wesnoth.repositoryhosting.com/account
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20120426 08:26:23< richcollins> I wonder why no one has picked that up, updated it and posted it as a new app to the store
20120426 08:26:30< richcollins> if the current one is abandoned
20120426 08:26:37< richcollins> guess there is a significant risk of rejection
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20120426 08:28:42< ancestral> richcollins: Requires tons of work to bring up to date with 1.10
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20120426 08:29:24< richcollins> Seems like the reward might warrant taking the time / risk
20120426 08:29:34< richcollins> given the performance of the existing app
20120426 08:29:53< ancestral> Apple could say "well, there's a Wesnoth app already. Rejected."
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20120426 08:30:09< ancestral> You could call it something different, change some things. Probably would get up there.
20120426 08:30:29< ancestral> Of course, people wouldn't know it's Wesnoth, because it wouldn't be Wesnoth.
20120426 08:31:09< richcollins> Right you'd have to call it Wesnoth with some modifier
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20120426 08:31:29< richcollins> Wesnoth 2.0 for instance
20120426 08:31:42< ancestral> Which would be inaccurate
20120426 08:31:53< ancestral> Wesnoth 2.0 could exist at some time, but doesn't yet
20120426 08:31:59< Crendgrim> if the iOS port was going to make Wesnoth become 2.0, that would be quite weird.
20120426 08:32:04< richcollins> for following Apple's naming
20120426 08:32:10< richcollins> "The New Wesnoth"
20120426 08:32:16< shadowm> *ugh*
20120426 08:32:32< ancestral> And there's still the question of http://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.html#section6
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20120426 19:24:54< fendrin> hi bloodycoin, are you around?
20120426 19:41:35< bloodycoin> yep
20120426 19:41:50< bloodycoin> fendrin: listening
20120426 19:42:38< fendrin> bloodycoin: I just read your gsoc page.
20120426 19:42:47< fendrin> Who is your mentor?
20120426 19:42:52< bloodycoin> boucman
20120426 19:43:00< fendrin> Ah, I should have guessed that.
20120426 19:43:10< bloodycoin> :)
20120426 19:43:34< fendrin> The particle system, I can't really imagine anything behind the word.
20120426 19:44:04< fendrin> Your wml examples only mention a hex field to apply them on.
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20120426 19:44:26< bloodycoin> or a unit...
20120426 19:44:49< fendrin> What about particles which "flow" over several hexes?
20120426 19:44:54< fendrin> on a path
20120426 19:45:03< bloodycoin> I am thinking on concentrating on hex sized effects, but bigger than hex effects shouldn't be much of a problem
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20120426 19:45:27< fendrin> Well, the problem is not the size, it is the transition on the path, or am I wrong?
20120426 19:45:30< bloodycoin> Hmm... haven't though about it, but it's possible
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20120426 19:46:06< bloodycoin> well, I planned stationary effects, but transitions should be ok too
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20120426 19:47:33< fendrin> bloodycoin: What is such a system used for in practice? Fountains? Or even Rivers?
20120426 19:47:37< fendrin> smoke?
20120426 19:47:39< fendrin> fog
20120426 19:47:46< fendrin> fire
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20120426 19:48:56< bloodycoin> if you think of how should the particles moving in the effect, anything is possible :)
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20120426 19:49:35< Alarantalara> fendrin: jetrel seems to want it for this: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?11706
20120426 19:51:28< fendrin> Alarantalara: tx
20120426 19:51:40< fendrin> Sounds useful.
20120426 19:52:06< fendrin> Effects that differ each time, that's cool.
20120426 19:52:06< bloodycoin> fendrin: the idea is to make a mechanism for applying effects... and effects describe how particles should be moving
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20120426 20:14:18< fendrin> bloodycoin: I see. Have you talked with boucman about the WML part of the system already?
20120426 20:15:33< bloodycoin> a bit, we talked how to allow users to define their own effects through WML and how to place effects through WML
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20120426 20:19:27< fendrin> bloodycoin: I have seen at least once that a gsoc project was good at the backend but the wml interface was to small to actually get used in real campaigns. 
20120426 20:19:42< fendrin> bloodycoin: Thus I always fear that the wml interface is taken care about too less.
20120426 20:21:17< fendrin> bloodycoin: My suggestion is to allow WML control of even a buggy or incomplete prototype of the feature early on to get a good go on both sides.
20120426 20:22:46< bloodycoin> you may be right. iterative design is always a good idea
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20120426 20:53:38< ancestral> Anyone have the web page link to the automatically generated list of terrains with their codes and images?
20120426 20:54:07< ancestral> nm found it: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/TerrainCodeTableWML
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20120426 21:11:07< Alarantalara> That terrain code table is interestingly wrong
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20120426 21:51:30< teugon> can someone suggest me a good book about boost library?
20120426 22:11:14< trademark_> teugon, which specific library do you want to study ? Or do you want to learn some concepts use in Boost ?
20120426 22:11:47< loonycyborg> teugon: Docs on boost.org
20120426 22:12:34< loonycyborg> There's also fairly active #boost channel :P
20120426 22:17:43< ancestral> When Wesnoth draws forests on the terrain does it draw tiles left to right, top to bottom?
20120426 22:19:25< ancestral> If two tiles have a forest together, the trees collide, so one has to layer on top of the other
20120426 22:32:07< teugon> I would just learn something about boost's features used in wesnoth.
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20120426 23:06:53< Alarantalara> ancestral: AFAICT, Wesnoth ensure that all tiles do not overlap before drawing them
20120426 23:08:18< Alarantalara> instead, it splits the forest image into a separate piece for each hex, determines the order to draw each piece based on the layer rules, and uses that for layering
20120426 23:08:30< ancestral> Right, what's that order?
20120426 23:08:47< ancestral> What are the layer rules?
20120426 23:08:59< Alarantalara> layers go from −1000 to 1000
20120426 23:09:32< ancestral> Alarantalara: If 1,2 and 2,2 both contain forest on grass, which overlaps the other?
20120426 23:11:09< Alarantalara> The one with the greater value for the calculated y base 
20120426 23:12:26< Alarantalara> if they are the same (say 1,2 and 3,2) and they still overlap, then the order is effectively random
20120426 23:13:04< ancestral> Okay
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20120426 23:19:22< Alarantalara> The sort order is: layer, base y, rule order, order hexes were evaluated on map
20120426 23:19:34< Alarantalara> sort by each as it fomces
20120426 23:19:43< Alarantalara> *sort by each as it comes
20120426 23:20:17< Alarantalara> for your forest: layer and rule order are the same, so basey covers most cases
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20120426 23:30:24< Alarantalara> The order hexes are evaluated is odd
20120426 23:32:01< Alarantalara> Take all the terrain combinations on the map, and place them in a stable but arbitrary order (hash function)
20120426 23:32:25< Alarantalara> evaluate the hexes in that order, and from top to bottom, then left to right within each terrain combination
20120426 23:32:59< Alarantalara> So, 1,2 and 3,2 will have 3,2 overlap 1,2 if the grass is the same grass
20120426 23:33:10< Alarantalara> and I can't answer if it isn't
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