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20120430 00:00:04< Espreon> ...
20120430 00:00:07< ancestral> Maybe they will update Flash, only because a dialog box pops up and bothers them
20120430 00:00:20< Espreon> Uh... NoScript...
20120430 00:00:46< shadowm> Okay, thank you for implying all users are the same.
20120430 00:01:01 * shadowm goes back to what he was doing.
20120430 00:01:33< Gambit> Only like 2% of users disable javascript
20120430 00:01:39< Espreon> And?
20120430 00:01:42< ancestral> Thank you Gambit
20120430 00:01:48< Gambit> the vast majority don't change or disable or install extensions or add-ons or anything.
20120430 00:01:52< Gambit> They just use what's there.
20120430 00:01:56< ancestral> Exactly.
20120430 00:02:02< Gambit> And all javascript disablers allow white listing.
20120430 00:02:20< shadowm> This was never about what amount of users disable JS.
20120430 00:02:42< Espreon> Gambit: And who cares?
20120430 00:02:56< ancestral> (I was referring to the 98-99% of people, not everyone)
20120430 00:03:07< ancestral> Anyway, back to my project
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20120430 00:23:42< anonymissimus> loonycyborg: "emacs-style": like midnight commander seems to be; though the implied user-hostileness is the important point
20120430 00:24:09< anonymissimus> "shell-oriented"
20120430 00:24:33< anonymissimus> it may still be user friendly, the graphics alone don't tell all
20120430 00:29:27 * anonymissimus 's download is finally at 95%
20120430 00:29:49< loonycyborg> emacs itself does have a gtk gui :P
20120430 00:31:13< anonymissimus> well, it should be possible to see line numbere immediately or after a few minutes in every text editor for instance
20120430 00:31:27< anonymissimus> in emacs I needed 3 days for them or so
20120430 00:32:20< loonycyborg> vim always displays line numbers.
20120430 00:32:31< anonymissimus> even in large IDEs like eclipse or MSVC where I need to search a lot among many options I find such settings after a few minutes usually
20120430 00:33:06< anonymissimus> so even though I've been using emacs for long I really hate it
20120430 00:35:32< loonycyborg> Anyway, I don't see on wikipedia any file managers fitting the requirements you outlined, with the exception of a couple of upstarts I've never heard about..
20120430 00:37:21< loonycyborg> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=614 :P
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20120430 01:05:57< shadowm> I don't think mc can be compared to the hell that's emacs...
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20120430 02:54:23< ancestral> 'gray' and 'grey'… there's terrain/water/coast-grey-tile.png but there's also terrain/water/reef-gray-tile.png
20120430 02:54:39< ancestral> Oh well :)
20120430 02:55:07< shadowm> Hush, you. We don't want more whimsical renames. <.<
20120430 02:55:46< vultraz> hehe
20120430 02:55:55< shadowm> It's better that a certain person doesn't read this.
20120430 02:56:02< vultraz> mhm
20120430 02:59:46< ancestral> Hehe
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20120430 03:28:27< fendrin> CIA-69: get to work! Lazy bot
20120430 03:29:47< shadowm> it can't do anything if gna.org can't send it emails or xml-rpc requests
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20120430 04:33:20< fendrin> shadowm: Is there a syntax for team coloring to disable any color shift for a side?
20120430 04:34:43< fendrin> shadowm: My units are red and I defined a roughly working team color set. I get all the team colors well defined, but I am struggling on how to define those color ranges. It isn't working for red at all since my units are already red.
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20120430 04:45:36< shadowm> fendrin: I don't think I understand. What do you mean about your units being red and the working team color set?
20120430 04:46:09< shadowm> Also note that team coloring depends upon two things: the color range (which is side-specific) and the source palette (which is unit type-specific).
20120430 04:47:28< shadowm> A side's color range can be defined inline in the side.color attribute, and this was in fact the only way to use custom CRs with sides until 1.9.something
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20120430 04:48:03< Espreon> shadowm: Too bad. I read it.
20120430 04:48:09< Espreon> ... but I'm not going to bother with it.
20120430 04:48:37< fendrin> shadowm: {MAGENTA_IS_THE_TEAM_COLOR}, this is false in my case. My units are red and thus I have my own {RED_IS_THE_TEAM_COLOR}
20120430 04:49:04< shadowm> And have you replaced that in your unit type definitions accordingly?
20120430 04:49:43< fendrin> Yes, the root [base_unit] of all units is "object" which has the macro in it.
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20120430 04:50:08< fendrin> And that is working well. Every color I need to get shifted is shifted.
20120430 04:50:20< ancestral> Is the "Mine Rail"  string ^Br ?
20120430 04:50:22< ancestral>  http://wiki.wesnoth.org/TerrainCodeTableWML
20120430 04:50:30< shadowm> Then what is the problem?
20120430 04:51:17< shadowm> ancestral: according to data/core/terrain.cfg, which is the only authoritative source for this information, it is ^Br|, ^Br\, and ^Br/ (varying by direction).
20120430 04:51:26< fendrin> What I do not know is if I need to change the ranges of the side colors because I do not have another set of team colors.
20120430 04:51:37< ancestral> Aha, thanks. The web page is missing that data
20120430 04:51:43< fendrin> Especialy the red team color definition does not work correctly. 
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20120430 04:52:06< ancestral> It gets automatically generated… perhaps it has a hard time with |
20120430 04:52:20< fendrin> The other colors look okay, but maybe I need to adjust them to get optimal results.
20120430 04:52:48< fendrin> s/i do not have/i do have
20120430 04:52:58< shadowm> I would be more concerned about your choice to use a palette other than the ridiculously well-tested magenta, first. :)
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20120430 04:54:04< shadowm> You could even use a tool (which may or may not be wesnoth-tc, in fact) to test what a given palette looks like with different color ranges.
20120430 04:54:22< shadowm> (Although it seems people prefer to do this kind of stuff in-game just for the sake of it.)
20120430 04:56:10< fendrin> Well, I would like to use magenta but the images I rely on use red for their colors.
20120430 04:56:52< fendrin> Does the order of the team colors matter?
20120430 04:57:20< shadowm> Depends on what you mean by "team colors" in this particular case.
20120430 04:57:52< shadowm> Do you mean the individual colors defining a color range? If so, yes. The colors defining a palette? I don't think so. The order in which palettes or color ranges are defined? Certainly not.
20120430 04:58:50< fendrin> Okay, then I got my palette right but I am strugling on the ranges.
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20120430 05:12:41< fendrin> shadowm: http://pastebin.com/5QwH4Nw2
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20120430 05:30:42< fendrin> hi Upthorn
20120430 05:30:49< Upthorn> hi
20120430 05:53:58< shadowm> fendrin: disable strict compilation?
20120430 05:54:24< shadowm> (--disable-strict to configure, of course)
20120430 05:56:44< fendrin> shadowm: Got your tool working, nice thing. Still I have no glue how to enhance my results. The transformed images them too miss some details because the palette shifted into is to similar.
20120430 05:58:13< shadowm> I have never tried making a new palette for team coloring, unfortunately. I believe the procedure used in Wesnoth at the beginning was something akin to trail-and-error.
20120430 05:58:37< shadowm> (i.e. when creating the magenta palette at the start of 1.1.x)
20120430 05:59:00< shadowm> trial-and-error.
20120430 05:59:27< shadowm> After all, the topic's name is "Help needed defining team rgb values for unit graphics".
20120430 06:01:21< shadowm> Okay, that might not be right, actually. It sounds like the magenta palette already existed before that topic started.
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20120430 06:10:14< shadowm> Wow, I really haven't tried building this thing in a long time...
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20120430 06:35:52< fendrin> shadowm: The order of the colors in the palette does make a difference, at least in your tool.
20120430 06:36:38< shadowm> Then it does in Wesnoth as well, since I copied the TC mechanism almost verbatim.
20120430 06:36:53< fendrin> I thought so
20120430 06:37:19< shadowm> (And if it doesn't, then it's a bug in wesnoth-tc.)
20120430 06:37:32< fendrin> A new order from brightest to darkest seems to work best.
20120430 06:37:50< fendrin> But It is too dark. 
20120430 06:38:55< shadowm> Interestingy, [color_range] and [color_palette] are missing from the wiki.
20120430 06:39:33< fendrin> I can add them if I fully understand the mechanism.
20120430 06:39:57< shadowm> [color_range] itself is documented in data/core/team-colors.cfg
20120430 06:40:58< shadowm> If the order in [color_palette] has an effect, that's not mentioned there.
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20120430 08:59:59< Ivanovic> moin
20120430 09:09:30< vultraz> hey
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20120430 10:16:40< shadowm> I assume I'm not really meant to be taking a look at the add-ons list with --new-widgets just yet: http://shadowm.rewound.net/f/addons.png
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20120430 10:43:56< Ivanovic> shadowm: uhm, looks "interesting"
20120430 10:44:50< shadowm> It's hilarious.
20120430 10:46:30< shadowm> I think I should do that too one of these days; commit a half-baked feature that looks like a trainwreck when activated through an adequately obscure compile or run-time option. (As opposed to keeping my personal trainwrecks in private branches until they can be straightened out.)
20120430 10:47:25< shadowm> Oh, I know, I still have this file dialog replacement that uses GUI2 and causes an assertion failure whenever a new directory is created. I should commit it. :p
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20120430 10:48:39< shadowm> My other trainwreck branch doesn't have more than two wagons, so it's not as interesting.
20120430 10:50:13< shadowm> But I don't feel comfortable committing to SVN without commit emails or CIA notifications atm, so it'll have to wait until the gna.org staff figure out how to free up some space in the filesystem that has the mailer spool.
20120430 11:01:59< shadowm> Ivanovic: do you have access to our cia.vc project page?
20120430 11:02:39< shadowm> If the mailer thing doesn't get solved within the next couple of days we could the poll option.
20120430 11:04:06< shadowm> Oh, guess what, I have access.
20120430 11:04:22< shadowm> !repo
20120430 11:04:23< shikadibot> shadowm: Repository URI: http://svn.gna.org/svn/wesnoth
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20120430 11:20:42< shadowm> Meh, I guess it doesn't work anymore. It was worth a shot, though.
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20120430 14:40:10< CIA-69> mordante * r54018 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/window.cpp: 
20120430 14:40:10< CIA-69> Found a better solution for r54016.
20120430 14:40:10< CIA-69> It's now possible to draw on the entire screen when using --new-widgets
20120430 14:40:10< CIA-69> and use proper clipping when not using --new-widgets.
20120430 14:40:36< CIA-69> mordante * r54009 /trunk/src/gui/ (auxiliary/window_builder/listbox.cpp dialogs/addon_list.cpp): 
20120430 14:40:36< CIA-69> Let listboxes and the addon code use the new pane.
20120430 14:40:36< CIA-69> Only when --new-widgets is specified since it will break a lot.
20120430 14:40:36< CIA-69> The code is used to experiment with a different approach of the
20120430 14:40:37< CIA-69> implementation of a listbox.
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20120430 14:42:13< CIA-69> mordante * r54014 /trunk/src/map_utils.hpp: 
20120430 14:42:13< CIA-69> Add a copyright header.
20120430 14:42:13< CIA-69> The file like formatter.hpp was introduced in r24256. So used the
20120430 14:42:13< CIA-69> copyright statement of formatter.hpp.
20120430 14:42:16< CIA-69> shadowmaster * r54001 /branches/1.8/ (changelog src/editor/editor_controller.cpp): 
20120430 14:42:16< CIA-69> Fixed various editor crashes related to drawing/filling operations (bug #18298, most likely bug #19667 too)
20120430 14:42:16< CIA-69> (Backported from trunk, r52452.)
20120430 14:42:16< CIA-69> Yes, this is a commit to the 1.8 branch.
20120430 14:42:17< CIA-69> shadowmaster * r54033 /trunk/changelog: Fix some inconsistent changelog indentation
20120430 14:42:18< CIA-69> mordante * r54019 /trunk/projectfiles/Xcode/Wesnoth.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj: 
20120430 14:42:18< CIA-69> Update XCode for pane.cpp.
20120430 14:42:18< CIA-69> Patch provided by vultraz.
20120430 14:42:20< CIA-69> mordante * r54016 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/window.cpp: 
20120430 14:42:20< CIA-69> Fix 'flickering' in the main menu.
20120430 14:42:20< CIA-69> It makes no sence to set a clip_rect when it's destroyed directly.
20120430 14:42:20< CIA-69> The issue was spotted by Crendgrim.
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20120430 14:42:46< CIA-69> mordante * r54015 /trunk/src/map_utils.hpp: 
20120430 14:42:46< CIA-69> Adds emulation for C++11's std::map::at().
20120430 14:42:46< CIA-69> It is used to test some new listbox code, but can be generally useful.
20120430 14:42:46< CIA-69> A non-official reference can be found here:
20120430 14:42:47< CIA-69> http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/container/map/at
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20120430 15:09:43< CIA-69> mordante * r54013 /trunk/src/formatter.hpp: Update copyright header.
20120430 15:09:45< CIA-69> mordante * r54031 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
20120430 15:09:45< CIA-69> Add the description of the addon in the list.
20120430 15:09:45< CIA-69> The description needs some polishing to look properly.
20120430 15:09:45< CIA-69> The code is used to experiment with a different approach of the
20120430 15:09:45< CIA-69> implementation of a listbox.
20120430 15:09:53< CIA-69> mordante * r54008 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/ (widget.cpp widget.hpp): 
20120430 15:09:54< CIA-69> Add a move function for widgets.
20120430 15:09:54< CIA-69> The code is used to experiment with a different approach of the
20120430 15:09:54< CIA-69> implementation of a listbox.
20120430 15:09:55< CIA-69> brilliand * r54017 /trunk/projectfiles/CodeBlocks/wesnoth.cbp: Added files added by r54006 to Code::Blocks project file
20120430 15:10:01< CIA-69> mordante * r54030 /trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 
20120430 15:10:01< CIA-69> Add filtering to the pane.
20120430 15:10:01< CIA-69> Using a functor items can be shown or hidden.
20120430 15:10:01< CIA-69> The code is used to experiment with a different approach of the
20120430 15:10:02< CIA-69> implementation of a listbox.
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20120430 15:38:27< the_new_lipk> hi all
20120430 15:39:07< fendrin> hi the_new_lipk
20120430 15:39:49< CIA-69> mordante * r54028 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/ (text.cpp text.hpp): 
20120430 15:39:49< CIA-69> Add a NOTIFY_MODIFIED event for the text.
20120430 15:39:49< CIA-69> It fires when the text in the box is modified. Note the implementation
20120430 15:39:49< CIA-69> is not tested heavily.
20120430 15:39:49< CIA-69> The code is used to experiment with a different approach of the
20120430 15:39:50< CIA-69> implementation of a listbox.
20120430 15:39:51< CIA-69> mordante * r54029 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/ (pane.cpp pane.hpp): 
20120430 15:39:51< CIA-69> Add a place routine for the pane's children.
20120430 15:39:52< CIA-69> This version uses the visible state to determine whether or not to place
20120430 15:39:52< CIA-69> a grid.
20120430 15:39:53< CIA-69> The code is used to experiment with a different approach of the
20120430 15:39:53< CIA-69> implementation of a listbox.
20120430 15:39:57< CIA-69> mordante * r54002 /trunk/src/addon/manager_ui.cpp: 
20120430 15:39:57< CIA-69> Restore the gui2 experimental addon dialog.
20120430 15:39:57< CIA-69> Somebody removed this feature, no idea why.
20120430 15:41:11< Ivanovic> finally the commit messages trickle in!
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20120430 15:51:59< fendrin> Wasn't no_leader= meant to create a side which does not loose the game without a leader? I have also set no_leader=yes in the scenario. Still after ending the first turn I got "You have been defeated".
20120430 15:52:34< fendrin> I mean I have also set victory_when_enemies_defeated=no
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20120430 16:09:46< CIA-69> brilliand * r54005 /trunk/src/actions.cpp: Removed some trailing whitespace
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20120430 16:26:06< mattsc> fendrin, AFAIK, you cannot have a human-controlled side that doesn't have a leader.  (This is based on what I tried, I do not know how it is intended to work.)
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20120430 16:39:53< CIA-69> jamit * r54004 /trunk/src/ (sdl_utils.cpp sdl_utils.hpp): 
20120430 16:39:53< CIA-69> Functions to rotate an image 90- or 180- degrees.
20120430 16:39:53< CIA-69> (Still need an Image Path Function to make these accessible from WML.)
20120430 16:40:01< CIA-69> jamit * r54020 /trunk/src/team.cpp: 
20120430 16:40:01< CIA-69> Consistent shroud_map values for out-of-range locations.
20120430 16:40:01< CIA-69> (Specifically they are always true/shrouded, instead of false if too high or too far to the left, and true otherwise.)
20120430 16:40:02< CIA-69> brilliand * r54003 /trunk/ (changelog src/actions.cpp): 
20120430 16:40:02< CIA-69> Ensure that multiple messages displayed simultaneously will not overlap
20120430 16:40:02< CIA-69> It's possible (at least) for the ambush message and the sighted message to
20120430 16:40:03< CIA-69> appear simultaneously (i.e. sighted an ally before being ambushed). The "Failed
20120430 16:40:03< CIA-69> teleport!" message might also be able to occur with the sighted message.
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20120430 17:04:33< fendrin> mattsc: tx
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20120430 17:09:53< CIA-69> mordante * r54024 /trunk/src/gui/auxiliary/log.hpp: Fix a typo in the name of an include guard.
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20120430 17:28:24< fendrin> hi Tigge
20120430 17:28:28< fendrin> hi timotei
20120430 17:28:34< timotei> hi fendrin  :)
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20120430 17:39:44< CIA-69> shadowmaster * r53999 /trunk/ (changelog data/gui/default/window/network_transmission.cfg): gui2/tnetwork_transmission: Fixed untranslatable Cancel button label (bug #19659)
20120430 17:39:46< CIA-69> mordante * r54023 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/addon_list.cpp: Use SI units when displaying the addon size.
20120430 17:40:01< CIA-69> mordante * r54022 /trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
20120430 17:40:01< CIA-69> Add the initial pane sorter implementation.
20120430 17:40:01< CIA-69> The code can now sort addons on their name and size.
20120430 17:40:01< CIA-69> The code is used to experiment with a different approach of the
20120430 17:40:01< CIA-69> implementation of a listbox.
20120430 17:40:03< CIA-69> shadowmaster * r54000 /branches/1.10/ (changelog data/gui/default/window/network_transmission.cfg): 
20120430 17:40:03< CIA-69> gui2/tnetwork_transmission: Fixed untranslatable Cancel button label (bug #19659)
20120430 17:40:03< CIA-69> (Backported from trunk, r53999.)
20120430 17:40:03< CIA-69> This commit does not violate the string freeze since "Cancel" is already
20120430 17:40:03< CIA-69> in the wesnoth-lib textdomain.
20120430 17:40:08< CIA-69> jamit * r54021 /trunk/src/image_modifications.cpp: Make combined horizontal and vertical flips slightly faster by doing both in one step.
20120430 17:40:14< CIA-69> mordante * r54025 /trunk/src/gui/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
20120430 17:40:14< CIA-69> Add a generic sorting template function.
20120430 17:40:14< CIA-69> Also remove the sorting code from the addon list and use the new template
20120430 17:40:14< CIA-69> function.
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20120430 17:45:09 * fendrin doesn't understand the mechanism that makes [unit] attributes overwrites those given in [unit_type].
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20120430 18:39:14< ancestral> I wish the wiki would let people upload images. Or find some way so that things like this don't happen: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/How_to_Shade http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Cartography_for_Wesnoth http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Tiles_Tutorial http://wiki.wesnoth.org/MultiHexTutorial
20120430 18:39:18< ancestral> The list goes on :(
20120430 18:40:13< CIA-69> mordante * r54010 /trunk/src/gui/auxiliary/ (window_builder.cpp window_builder.hpp): 
20120430 18:40:13< CIA-69> Let tbuilder_grid::build() return a tgrid.
20120430 18:40:13< CIA-69> This makes writing some new code easier. It requires the inclusion of
20120430 18:40:13< CIA-69> the grid header so the compiler can determine the relation between
20120430 18:40:13< CIA-69> twidget and tgrid and verify it's a valid covariant return type.
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20120430 18:47:37< ancestral> :x r.wesnoth.org/t36715
20120430 18:47:44< ancestral> http://r.wesnoth.org/t36715
20120430 19:00:08< anonymissimus> Ivanovic, all: regarding the "git on windows question"; one thing I notice is that git seems *much* faster on Linux than on win though
20120430 19:01:11< anonymissimus> for instance, dcommitting and svn rebasing needs per revision surely less than a second on Linux usually, on windows it seems much slower
20120430 19:03:57< anonymissimus> timotei: as long as I don't have a VC9 built environment, can you update the files pls
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20120430 19:06:07< timotei> anonymissimus: hi
20120430 19:06:11< timotei> anonymissimus: I'll try :D
20120430 19:08:05< anonymissimus> (I don't know whether I will have btw; my first attempt failed with an extremely weird problem)
20120430 19:08:31< anonymissimus> and as we know, there are very few MSVC devs here who might be able to help
20120430 19:08:55< anonymissimus> VC10 seems to work better though so maybe I'm forced to use that
20120430 19:09:12< timotei> anonymissimus: so you've migrated to VC10?
20120430 19:09:24< anonymissimus> I don't migrate to anything
20120430 19:09:50< CIA-69> ivanovic * r54027 /branches/1.10/ (7 files in 6 dirs): updated Galician and Korean translation
20120430 19:09:52< CIA-69> mordante * r54011 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/window.cpp: 
20120430 19:09:52< CIA-69> Disable clipping when using --new-widgets.
20120430 19:09:52< CIA-69> This allows widgets to draw upon the entire screen, which makes testing
20120430 19:09:52< CIA-69> easier.
20120430 19:09:52< CIA-69> The code is used to experiment with a different approach of the
20120430 19:09:53< CIA-69> implementation of a listbox.
20120430 19:09:54< CIA-69> ivanovic * r54026 /trunk/po/ (5 files in 5 dirs): updated Galician and Korean translation
20120430 19:10:23< anonymissimus> timotei: what filesystem do you use on your partition where the wesnoth source shared between win and Linux is ?
20120430 19:10:36< CIA-69> mordante * r54012 /trunk/src/gui/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
20120430 19:10:36< CIA-69> Let the pane create a list of widgets.
20120430 19:10:36< CIA-69> The list of available addons is now drawn directly on the screen, but it
20120430 19:10:36< CIA-69> already looks like a list. No interaction with the widgets is possible
20120430 19:10:36< CIA-69> yet.
20120430 19:10:36< timotei> anonymissimus: ntfs 
20120430 19:10:37< CIA-69> The code is used to experiment with a different approach of the
20120430 19:10:37< CIA-69> implementation of a listbox.
20120430 19:10:51< timotei> But I don't use Linux anymore lately
20120430 19:10:57< timotei> But Windows and Mac xD
20120430 19:11:02< timotei> Which are on different machines
20120430 19:11:35< anonymissimus> brilliand: would be great if you could take care for the CB project files :)
20120430 19:11:44< anonymissimus> if you are using them anyway
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20120430 19:34:01< fendrin> wesbot: seen esr?
20120430 19:34:01< wesbot> fendrin: The person with the nick esr 7d 15h ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth-umc-dev with the message: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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20120430 19:39:44< CIA-69> fendrin * r54032 /trunk/src/actions.cpp: Fixed the spelling in a comment.
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20120430 19:54:06< anonymissimus> fendrin: do you know how to install ubuntu without the graphical installer, or more precisely, by using as little RAM as possible
20120430 19:55:43< anonymissimus> ah...seems the alternate CD is that
20120430 19:56:30< fendrin> anonymissimus: Yeah.
20120430 19:57:51< fendrin> anonymissimus: If you really have very little memory, I suggest you search for alternatives to the gnome/unity desktop environment.
20120430 20:01:07< anonymissimus> I think I'll install lxde there
20120430 20:01:27< anonymissimus> been using that in past on debian
20120430 20:01:48< timotei> Wow, I almost forgot how much it takes for wesnoth to compile
20120430 20:02:16< anonymissimus> its another computer than this one ;)
20120430 20:03:54< CIA-69> fendrin * r54034 /trunk/ (8 files in 3 dirs): 
20120430 20:03:55< CIA-69> Support for vision= in [unit] and [unit_type].
20120430 20:03:55< CIA-69> If present it's used instead of the movement to calculate the sight of the unit.
20120430 20:03:55< CIA-69> Support for [vision_costs] in [movement_type].
20120430 20:03:55< CIA-69> If present it's used for the costs when calculationg the sight of the unit.
20120430 20:06:01< fendrin> anonymissimus: I have an idea. We store the path a unit just took into a variable inside the unit. In moveto events it can be used to do something like "move_over" events, of course without the possibility of stopping the units. 
20120430 20:09:41< anonymissimus> fendrin: there is already a similar workaround using wesnoth.find_path
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20120430 20:10:04< anonymissimus> so I kinda doubt the feature us of much use
20120430 20:10:15< CIA-69> mordante * r54007 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/ (22 files): 
20120430 20:10:16< CIA-69> Add a new offsetted drawing method.
20120430 20:10:16< CIA-69> The code is mainly copy pasted from the current drawing code, but adds
20120430 20:10:16< CIA-69> some helpers as well.
20120430 20:10:16< CIA-69> The code is used to experiment with a different approach of the
20120430 20:10:16< CIA-69> implementation of a listbox.
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20120430 20:14:11< fendrin> anonymissimus: Yeah, I have used wesnoth.find_path. It's just very hacky.
20120430 20:15:17< fendrin> You need to delete the just moved unit from the map, restore it where it came from, do the pathfinding, and move it to the destination again.
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20120430 20:15:41< fendrin> anonymissimus: And the pathfinding doesn't need to be done twice.
20120430 20:31:02< CIA-69> timotei * r54035 /trunk/projectfiles/VC9/wesnoth.vcproj: Update the MSVC9 project
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20120430 20:37:23< mordante> servus
20120430 20:37:37< fendrin> hi mordante
20120430 20:37:54< mordante> hi fendrin 
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20120430 20:39:45< CIA-69> mordante * r54006 /trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
20120430 20:39:45< CIA-69> Add a new pane widget.
20120430 20:39:45< CIA-69> The code is used to experiment with a different approach of the
20120430 20:39:45< CIA-69> implementation of a listbox.
20120430 20:40:03< mordante> the only disadvantage of private branches seems to be people suddenly consider your code orphaned :-|
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20120430 21:21:40< Espreon> Hmmmmm, the titlescreen acts funny when I launch it with --new-widgets... but I assume mordante knows about this.
20120430 21:21:45< Espreon> *launch Wesnoth
20120430 21:23:06< mordante> Espreon, a lot of things act funny with --new-widgets, it's called VERY EXPERIMENTAL for a good reason
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20120430 21:23:54< Espreon> I don't see how one can manage to call anything from that titlescreen, but if mordante can use it, all is well then.
20120430 21:25:01< mordante> the addon dialogue does something, another attempt to get the listboxes working properly
20120430 21:25:36< Espreon> Just inject demonic magicks into your code.
20120430 21:26:57< mordante> I did, they are happily chewing at all other dialogues, breaking them in the process ;-)
20120430 21:27:43< Espreon> ... then you ivoked the wrong demons...
20120430 21:27:56< Espreon> *invoked
20120430 21:30:00< mordante> unfortunately I ran out of goats
20120430 21:31:35< Espreon> ... Stop using goats.
20120430 21:32:10< mordante> what should I then use?
20120430 21:32:16< Espreon> Bison.
20120430 21:32:53< timotei21> Or Yacc
20120430 21:32:57< Espreon> ...
20120430 21:32:59< Espreon> timotei21: No.
20120430 21:33:04< timotei21> Why not?
20120430 21:33:17< timotei21> I'm using it now to create a LolCode to C translator xD
20120430 21:33:20< Espreon> Because lame puns are lame.
20120430 21:33:36< Espreon> No, make a C to Shakespeare translator.
20120430 21:33:49< Espreon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare_%28programming_language%29
20120430 21:34:07< timotei21> lol :))
20120430 21:34:13< timotei21> Interesting
20120430 21:34:18< mordante> looks funny
20120430 21:34:40< Espreon> I hope "Ghost" is a valid variable.
20120430 21:35:06< Espreon> ... 'cause I love Banquo's ghost. Best character evar.
20120430 21:35:57< shadowm> great, the gna.org issue is solved.
20120430 21:37:25< CIA-69> mordante * r54036 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/ (pane.cpp pane.hpp): 
20120430 21:37:25< CIA-69> Add a method to only move the child items.
20120430 21:37:25< CIA-69> After sorting there is no need to re-render the entire image.
20120430 21:37:25< CIA-69> The code is used to experiment with a different approach of the
20120430 21:37:25< CIA-69> implementation of a listbox.
20120430 21:37:26< CIA-69> mordante * r54037 /trunk/ (changelog src/text.cpp src/text.hpp): 
20120430 21:37:27< CIA-69> Adds character limit width constrain for a text.
20120430 21:37:27< CIA-69> The number of characters per line can now be limited for a text object.
20120430 21:37:28< CIA-69> The limit is an approximation since the character width for a true type
20120430 21:37:28< CIA-69> font is not fixed. When this constrain is used, the text should also be
20120430 21:37:29< CIA-69> allowed to wrap.
20120430 21:37:29< CIA-69> mordante * r54038 /trunk/ (8 files in 4 dirs): 
20120430 21:37:30< CIA-69> Adds a character limit width constrain to a label.
20120430 21:37:30< CIA-69> Lets the gui2 label use the code of the previous commit. Allow it
20120430 21:37:42< CIA-69> implementation of a listbox.
20120430 21:37:42< CIA-69> mordante * r54043 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
20120430 21:37:43< CIA-69> Add the find_at functions for the pane.
20120430 21:37:43< CIA-69> This allows the usage of the mouse in the pane. Also increases the size
20120430 21:37:44< CIA-69> of the pane to have a bit more space to move the mouse around.
20120430 21:37:44< CIA-69> Note the offset to the mouse movement and what it affects on the screen
20120430 21:37:45< CIA-69> is intentionally.
20120430 21:37:45< CIA-69> The code is used to experiment with a different approach of the
20120430 21:38:08< Espreon> mordante: Do you know anything about the OpenType voodoo I asked about the other day?
20120430 21:38:26< mordante> Espreon, no
20120430 21:39:10< Espreon> Awwww...
20120430 21:44:10< shadowm> mordante: this is probably for you: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?19678
20120430 21:46:35< shadowm> (i.e. confirm so I can assign it to you)
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20120430 21:50:10< CIA-69> espreon * r54044 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Fixed bug #19677.
20120430 21:51:56< shadowm> Espreon: aw
20120430 21:52:04< shadowm> I was working on it just now. :(
20120430 21:52:12< Espreon> Ha ha...
20120430 21:52:27< shadowm> I was writing the changelog entry and just about to commit.
20120430 21:52:32< shadowm> Will you backport it to 1.10?
20120430 21:52:48< CIA-69> espreon * r54045 /branches/1.10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Ported r54044 to 1.10.
20120430 21:52:55< Espreon> shadowm: Already did.
20120430 21:52:57< shadowm> Very well.
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20120430 21:56:14< CIA-69> espreon * r54046 /branches/1.10/ (changelog players_changelog): Added missing colons; removed gratuitous space before colons...
20120430 21:56:23< Espreon> gabba: ^
20120430 22:00:03< CIA-69> espreon * r54047 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog): Added missing colons; removed gratuitous space before colons...
20120430 22:00:58< mordante> shadowm, yeah I'll have a look later
20120430 22:01:35< shadowm> Very well, then.
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20120430 22:06:00< shadowm> General question: what should we do with reports like this which only apply to the Android (cjhopman's) version? https://gna.org/bugs/?19673
20120430 22:10:43< Ivanovic> anonymissimus: okay, good to know
20120430 22:11:04< Ivanovic> anonymissimus: this is "only" the case with git svn? or does it happen with "real" git repos, too?
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20120430 22:25:08< gabba_> Hi all
20120430 22:25:13< mordante> hi gabba_ 
20120430 22:25:23< gabba_> hey mordante 
20120430 22:25:24< mordante> and I'm off night
20120430 22:25:32< gabba_> lol, g'night to you then
20120430 22:25:38< mordante> thanks
20120430 22:27:12< Ivanovic> hi gabba
20120430 22:29:52< CIA-69> mordante * r54048 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/ (pane.cpp pane.hpp): 
20120430 22:29:52< CIA-69> Add layout_init to the pane.
20120430 22:29:52< CIA-69> This fixes the problem with the widgets not sharing their widths
20120430 22:29:52< CIA-69> according to the linked group rules.
20120430 22:29:52< CIA-69> The code is used to experiment with a different approach of the
20120430 22:29:53< CIA-69> implementation of a listbox.
20120430 22:29:55< CIA-69> mordante * r54049 /trunk/ (changelog data/tools/terrain2wiki.py): 
20120430 22:29:55< CIA-69> Escape the pipe-symbol in the wiki uploader.
20120430 22:29:55< CIA-69> Fixes the display off terrains with a pipe-symbol in the wiki.
20120430 22:29:55< CIA-69> Fixes bug #19678.
20120430 22:30:44 * Ivanovic is happy that the commit ml seems to be in sync again!
20120430 22:31:24 * mordante too
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20120430 22:34:02< anonymissimus> Ivanovic: I don#t understand the question
20120430 22:34:25< anonymissimus> Ivanovic: note that it's only a minor issue; it still works reliably
20120430 22:34:47< Ivanovic> anonymissimus: the question is if you just tried wesnoth using the layer to svn
20120430 22:34:57< Ivanovic> or if you are using a native git like eg a project hosted at github
20120430 22:35:04< gabba_> hey Ivanovic 
20120430 22:35:10< anonymissimus> no native git no
20120430 22:35:45< anonymissimus> eperience is from wesnoth, the wesnoth UMc repo and another project but all are svn
20120430 22:36:18< Tigge> fendrin: yo
20120430 22:41:50< anonymissimus> is there some package I cna install in synaptic that lets me configure the top bars of these gtk windows ? I remember a theme called Redmond or so that moved the locations of the close/minimize/maximize buttons to the right and changed their style
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20120430 22:44:47< fendrin> Tigge: Hey ho :-)
20120430 22:46:06< Tigge> fendrin: what up?
20120430 22:46:24< Espreon> He speaks! A glorious day indeed.
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20120430 22:56:52< Tigge> hmmm :o
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20120430 23:01:53< shadowm> anonymissimus: depends on what desktop environment you are using.
20120430 23:02:19< Gallaecio> Anyone around able to perform a minor fix in a string? Ivanovic?
20120430 23:03:18< Gallaecio> anonymissimus?
20120430 23:03:31< shadowm> Gallaecio: depends on what the required fix is.
20120430 23:03:44< shadowm> That is, most of the active people in this channel are developers and thus have commit access.
20120430 23:04:22< Gallaecio> In Son of the Balck Eye, there is a string that says:
20120430 23:04:22< Gallaecio> Hush, Vraurk, […]
20120430 23:04:22< Gallaecio> But there is no Hush, it should be “Pirk, Vraurk, […]” instead.
20120430 23:05:04 * Gallaecio hopes Hush is not a word…
20120430 23:05:17< Gallaecio> Sh*t
20120430 23:05:23< Gallaecio> Sorry…
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20120430 23:05:30< shadowm> Yes, it's a word.
20120430 23:05:54 * Gallaecio feels a bit ashamed…
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20120430 23:18:53< anonymissimus> shadowm: gnome
20120430 23:19:00< shadowm> version?
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20120430 23:19:32< anonymissimus> where can I see that ?
20120430 23:20:15< shadowm> hm, that's an excellent question.
20120430 23:20:30< shadowm> can you check if metacity is running? I don't know what GNOME 3 uses.
20120430 23:20:33< anonymissimus> 1:3.0+ubuntu3
20120430 23:20:50< anonymissimus> 	1:3.0+6ubuntu3
20120430 23:20:51< shadowm> GNOME 2 used metacity and there's a metacity-themes package
20120430 23:20:56< shadowm> (metacity being a window manager)
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20120430 23:32:38< CIA-69> espreon * r54050 /trunk/data/gui/default/window/mp_host_game_prompt.cfg: Ran umcpropfix.
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20120430 23:51:23< anonymissimus> shadowm: Window manager warning: Screen 0 on display ":0.0" already has a window manager; try using the --replace option to replace the current window manager.
20120430 23:51:42< anonymissimus> when I try to start metacity; now where can I enable those themse
20120430 23:51:46< anonymissimus> themes
20120430 23:52:03< shadowm> I never told you to start metacity.
20120430 23:52:09< loonycyborg> Pretty sure that ubuntu uses compiz
20120430 23:52:26< shadowm> Either way, the GNOME control panel thing -> appearance.
20120430 23:52:41< loonycyborg> ubuntu has another thing for that :P
20120430 23:52:45< CIA-69> brilliand * r54051 /trunk/ (28 files in 8 dirs): 
20120430 23:52:45< CIA-69> Applied patch #1381: Configurable village support
20120430 23:52:45< CIA-69> This differs from the original patch in that the minimum village support for multiplayer is 0, not 1.
20120430 23:53:10< shadowm> loonycyborg: great, then by all means, tell us
20120430 23:53:24< loonycyborg> I don't remember how to get there.
20120430 23:53:31< loonycyborg> I'm on gentoo now.
20120430 23:53:49< shadowm> wesbot: patch 1381
20120430 23:53:51< wesbot> Patch #1381  Assigned to: Silas Brill <brilliand>  Status: In Progress  Priority: 5 - Normal
20120430 23:53:52< loonycyborg> But pretty sure that it works as extension to ccsm or something
20120430 23:53:54< wesbot> Summary: Updated patch for configurable village support (upkeep) - FT#6301
20120430 23:53:57< wesbot> Original submission: Adds new WML attribute for configurable village support (
20120430 23:54:00< wesbot> upkeep) - addresses FR#6301 from EasyCoding.Updated patch for current SVN.
20120430 23:54:02< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/patch/?1381
20120430 23:54:05< wesbot> Attached file (1st): https://gna.org/patch/download.php?file_id=7466
20120430 23:55:28< Espreon> Finally...
20120430 23:55:35< anonymissimus> shadowm: what makes you expect I don't try things on my own and only do what you say ? :P
20120430 23:56:00< anonymissimus> anyway, there are only the themes I already had selectable
20120430 23:56:01< shadowm> The potential to break your system.
20120430 23:56:13< shadowm> Espreon: finally?
20120430 23:56:28< anonymissimus> true, but no experience without risk
20120430 23:56:37< Espreon> shadowm: That patch has finally been applied.
20120430 23:56:47< Espreon> ... so... yeah...
20120430 23:56:52< shadowm> Yeah, well, I am still trying to make sense of the originating FR.
20120430 23:56:58< anonymissimus> and Linux does a netter job in preventing me from breaking it
20120430 23:57:14< shadowm> btw, did we ever agree whether we wanted turn refresh at the start of turn 1?
20120430 23:57:15< CIA-69> loonycyborg * r54052 /branches/asio_wesnothd/src/server/server.cpp: Implemented client_address() helper function to handle errors from socket::remote_endpoint()
20120430 23:57:44< shadowm> The poisoned thief in the test scenario behaves differently in 1.10 and trunk as a result.
20120430 23:58:01< shadowm> anonymissimus: "netter"?
20120430 23:58:06< anonymissimus> better
20120430 23:58:19< shadowm> Are you sure you are using Linux? :p
20120430 23:58:24< anonymissimus> better than windows that is
20120430 23:58:28< shadowm> In my experience, the potential for breakage is _everywhere_.
20120430 23:58:51< anonymissimus> or less worse than windows as you say oh mighty shadowmaster
20120430 23:58:55< shadowm> I even managed to almost cause physical damage to my hardware in one occasion.
20120430 23:59:05< anonymissimus> less bad
20120430 23:59:07< shadowm> Or my eyes. Not sure which.
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