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20120421 00:07:14< lykos42> Hey
20120421 00:07:27< lykos42> Does anyone know how the _server.ign file works?
20120421 00:07:46< lykos42> I put a lot of stuff in there and somehow, it is still uploaded into my add on even though I don't want that at all!
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20120421 00:22:38< Espreon> lykos42: Did you read the article about it on the wiki?
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20120421 00:23:31< Espreon> Well, regardless: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/IGNFileFormat
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20120421 00:24:35< lykos42> Yes, I did.
20120421 00:24:50< Espreon> May I see the .ign file?
20120421 00:24:52< lykos42> The thing is, wildcards seem to work, so I could exclude all my *.xcf images
20120421 00:25:34< lykos42> http://pastebin.com/aP9UNuaA
20120421 00:25:40< lykos42> But some other things don't work.
20120421 00:25:59< Espreon> Like what?
20120421 00:26:04< lykos42> e.g. I wanted to exclude images/alte_bilder/, but it is still in there wwhen I downloaded it.
20120421 00:27:23< lykos42> The campaign is called Era of Ilthan if you want to check out what works.
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20120421 00:28:18< Espreon> I don't think it likes paths, but I'm not sure.
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20120421 00:28:47< lykos42> Well, it works for downloads/ but not for images/alte_bilder/
20120421 00:29:34< Espreon> Try "alte_bilder/"
20120421 00:30:07< lykos42> It does like paths, on the wiki page, it says that one only has to take care that one puts a trailing / for directories. And as I said, for scripts/ or downloads/ it works, it just doesn't work for images/alte_bilder
20120421 00:30:13< lykos42> Hm, ok.
20120421 00:32:27< Appleman1234> why are I always playing isars if I hate it so much
20120421 00:33:43< Appleman1234> oh right, it is because other people love it so much
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20120421 00:40:21< lykos42> Ok, thanks, that worked.
20120421 00:42:31< Espreon> lykos42: No prob.
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20120421 09:50:55< Ivanovic> moin
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20120421 18:02:24< seblabel> hey people!
20120421 18:02:38< fendrin> hi seblabel
20120421 18:04:14< seblabel> i'm playing the campain called (in french) La Garde Sud, which i could translate by The Guardians from the south
20120421 18:04:32< seblabel> (this is certainly a bad translation)
20120421 18:04:41< seblabel> and the fact is that i'm stuck
20120421 18:06:23< seblabel> i have to send Ethiliel against the Elfs people, but each time i kill an elf, more of them arrive...
20120421 18:06:57< seblabel> so, i guess that there is an other strategy for this map than just killing people until they are too strong
20120421 18:07:55< seblabel> hey fendrin! do you know this map ?
20120421 18:08:46< seblabel> it's a very interesting game cause it's hard
20120421 18:08:52< seblabel> and very strategic
20120421 18:09:12< seblabel> if one of you can help with this campain
20120421 18:09:14< seblabel> thanks
20120421 18:09:29< fendrin> seblabel: I have not played it myself, but the campaign is called "The South Guard".
20120421 18:09:51< fendrin> You can find hints and walktroughs in our forum.
20120421 18:10:06< fendrin> Just search for the South Guard at form.wesnoth.org
20120421 18:10:16< fendrin> forum.wesnoth.org
20120421 18:10:40< fendrin> http://forums.wesnoth.org/
20120421 18:11:23< seblabel> thanks fendrin !
20120421 18:11:27< seblabel> let's try this
20120421 18:11:40< fendrin> You are Welcome.
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20120421 18:12:28< seblabel> whahh
20120421 18:12:44< seblabel> it's really more than i was hoping
20120421 18:12:49< seblabel> :)
20120421 18:16:28< Mkaysi> seblabel: Or try this http://wiki.wesnoth.org/TheSouthGuard
20120421 18:20:11< zookeeper> seblabel, the scenario is stupid; you only need to get her to the tree
20120421 18:20:29< zookeeper> so just guard her while you move her there, and try to not kill any enemies
20120421 18:22:01< zookeeper> also, what wesnoth version do you have? both in 1.8 and 1.10 the objectives should clearly state that you need to move her to the tree
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20120421 18:45:39< seblabel> i'm back
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20120421 18:45:47< seblabel> sorry for the waiting
20120421 18:46:09< seblabel> i'm reading all your links and thank you for this
20120421 18:46:33< seblabel> my version is the 1.8.6
20120421 18:46:58< seblabel> zookeeper: i really tried to move her there
20120421 18:47:17< seblabel> but, as you said, i certainly killed too many ennemies
20120421 18:47:25< seblabel> and so, had to much resistance
20120421 18:47:40< seblabel> let's try it differently
20120421 18:47:44< zookeeper> yeah, you should just cover her with your units instead of really fighting back
20120421 18:47:51< seblabel> thank you people!
20120421 18:48:10< seblabel> i will give back the result
20120421 18:48:13< zookeeper> the scenario is scheduled to be redesigned at some point, since it is kinda stupid when it works like this
20120421 18:48:30< seblabel> this is a great game
20120421 18:48:50< seblabel> i guess that there is a big team for the developpement ?
20120421 18:48:57< seblabel> how many people ?
20120421 18:49:23< zookeeper> well, the credits list has hundreds of people if you count translators...
20120421 18:50:06< zookeeper> and the core team members come and go, so there's no static core team at any given time
20120421 18:52:06< seblabel> the french translators list is soo long
20120421 18:52:29< zookeeper> 90% of the game can probably be attributed to... i don't know, 10-20 people?
20120421 18:52:36< seblabel> i guess that they don't need help (or maybe just for coordination!)
20120421 18:53:32< zookeeper> if the translation is good enough, then i guess they don't.
20120421 18:53:42< seblabel> zookeeper: i'm helping (very little) on the game Unknown-horizons, and i think that a very few people made as you said a very big part of the game
20120421 18:53:45< zookeeper> in any case, you'll probably want to upgrade to wesnoth 1.10
20120421 18:54:23< zookeeper> yes, usually there's few people who do most of the work, and then more people who do lots of smaller contributions
20120421 18:54:30< seblabel> there is a law on this : 20% of the causes generate 80% of the results
20120421 18:55:05< seblabel> here is maybe : 20% of the team members made 80% of the game
20120421 18:55:09< seblabel> BUT
20120421 18:55:36< seblabel> 100% need everybody, and that is really important
20120421 18:56:10< seblabel> speaking about the different opinions on this on that aspect of the game, gamplay, graphism, etc..
20120421 18:56:23< seblabel> the coordination is also a very important part
20120421 18:56:42< seblabel> i'm always wondering : how do the do that ?
20120421 18:56:55< seblabel> great work, really
20120421 18:57:22< seblabel> the music of the game is really nice
20120421 18:57:29< seblabel> and not boring
20120421 18:57:40< seblabel> (very important aspect)
20120421 18:57:53< seblabel> well, let's stop talking
20120421 18:57:59< seblabel> playing
20120421 18:58:01< seblabel> :)
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20120421 19:01:25< zookeeper> there's surprisingly little coordination. people just work on whatever they want to work on, most of the time. if there's a problem which needs to be fixed, then either someone volunteers to fix it, or it doesn't get fixed. it's really simple. ;)
20120421 19:03:00< seblabel> i'm surprised
20120421 19:03:30< seblabel> (well, i just finished the map with you advice...it's was really easy)
20120421 19:03:39< seblabel> your*
20120421 19:04:41< seblabel> the need of coordination maybe depends on the way the game is build
20120421 19:04:59< seblabel> what is the main language for wesnoth ?
20120421 19:05:07< zookeeper> c++
20120421 19:06:24< zookeeper> and yes, dave made the first version of the game by himself (or with very little help, i don't recall which) and it had all the main gameplay features in it already, so it was already clear which kind of game it was and the way it is heading, so that's one big reason why there's no need for that much coordination
20120421 19:06:42< zookeeper> if one would start to build a game from scratch with multiple people, then they'd need lots of coordination
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20120421 19:07:37< zookeeper> but when the game is almost complete already (gameplay-wise), then you don't need _that_ much coordination to develop it further
20120421 19:07:39< seblabel> zookeeper: you said everything
20120421 19:08:24< seblabel> what campain should i choose now ?
20120421 19:08:32< zookeeper> well... upgrade to 1.10 first
20120421 19:08:47< zookeeper> was the south guard your first campaign?
20120421 19:09:02< seblabel> there is a big difference between 1.8 and 1.10 ?
20120421 19:09:07< seblabel> yes it was
20120421 19:09:44< zookeeper> no big difference, just lots of improvements.
20120421 19:09:59< seblabel> let's find a deposit
20120421 19:10:02< fendrin> seblabel: Yes, alone the beautiful animated Water is worth downloading 1.10.
20120421 19:11:26< fendrin> seblabel: I think you could try to solve "An Orcish Incursion". It's easy as well and gives some gameplay hints.
20120421 19:12:01< zookeeper> heir to the throne is the main campaign, so that's naturally a good one to play. it's a lot longer than the south guard, though.
20120421 19:12:27< RiotJozrael> I LOVE AOI ^_^
20120421 19:12:47< seblabel> i will wait for lubuntu 12.04 and then will get 1.10 in the official deposit
20120421 19:12:56< seblabel> i'm on 11.10
20120421 19:13:05 * Mkaysi could build svn for vun
20120421 19:13:12< RiotJozrael> I also dislike sentences of that structure as I only capitalize one word for emphasis, but it looks like I cruisecontrol for cool because of capital article and acronym :(
20120421 19:13:26< fendrin> seblabel: There is an external apt repository to easily install from.
20120421 19:13:47< seblabel> playdeb ?
20120421 19:13:59< Mkaysi> No, Rhonda has PPA somewhere
20120421 19:14:54< zookeeper> seblabel, i can't give any particular order, but you should play at least heir to the throne and under the burning suns. the rest you can just try and you'll quickly see whether you like them or not.
20120421 19:15:38< seblabel> ok, thank you for those advices
20120421 19:15:43< seblabel> let's play
20120421 19:15:43< Mkaysi> seblabel: https://launchpad.net/~rhonda/+archive/wesnoth-devel
20120421 19:16:53< seblabel> whah, great !
20120421 19:16:55< seblabel> thanks
20120421 19:17:00< fendrin> No
20120421 19:17:07< fendrin> This is not a stable release.
20120421 19:17:07< Mkaysi> You're welcome :)
20120421 19:17:13< fendrin> Don't install it.
20120421 19:17:27< seblabel> ...very unstable ?
20120421 19:17:34< fendrin> It's an old unstable version.
20120421 19:17:37< Mkaysi> Not very unstable
20120421 19:17:49< fendrin> If you want to install unstable then use the newest one.
20120421 19:17:53 * Mkaysi checks what is the latest
20120421 19:18:03< fendrin> 1.10.1
20120421 19:18:16< fendrin> Is the latest stable.
20120421 19:18:33< Mkaysi> C96954B30DA74F1FB2B9F0A3BC1D2A1109CA5E9B
20120421 19:18:37< Mkaysi> Oops, sorry,, wrong paste
20120421 19:18:43< Mkaysi> i   1:1.10.2-1                                    <NULL>,unstable           500
20120421 19:18:45< fendrin> No. it's 1.10.2 already
20120421 19:19:08< Mkaysi> Ignore that <NULL>, I have somekind of problem with aptitude.
20120421 19:20:18< fendrin> Mkaysi: Is this from the ppa ?
20120421 19:20:39< Mkaysi> No, that is from Debian Sid repositories
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20120421 19:21:54< seblabel> i just saw that playdeb repo has the version Version: 1:1.10.2-1
20120421 19:22:19< Mkaysi> Then it's better to install it
20120421 19:22:25< seblabel> so let's try this
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20120421 19:30:29< seblabel> it's downloading
20120421 19:30:35< seblabel> 340mo
20120421 19:30:49< seblabel> 467mo taken when installed
20120421 19:31:23< seblabel> someone uses openbox here ?
20120421 19:33:40< seblabel> well, i need more than 1 hour for the download !
20120421 19:33:45< seblabel> :)
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20120421 19:37:11< fendrin> seblabel: If you ommit the music package it should go faster.
20120421 19:48:46< Rhonda> Mkaysi: Erm, no, not the PPA
20120421 19:48:59< Rhonda> seblabel: Take it from the appropriate backports suite
20120421 19:49:25< Rhonda> There is 1.10 in lucid-backports, maverick-backports, natty-backports and oneiric-backports
20120421 19:49:29< Mkaysi> Have you moved to backports from PPA?
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20120421 19:49:39< Rhonda> The PPA is about the devel releases.
20120421 19:49:49< Rhonda> 1.10 is a stable release which belongs in the regular archive.
20120421 19:49:56< Rhonda> 1.11 will be in the PPA again.
20120421 19:51:28< Rhonda> And I discourage playdeb.  They b0rk it from time to time because they don't follow development properly and create incompatibilities every now and then.
20120421 19:52:08< Rhonda> I will update the backports to 1.10.2 eventually, just haven't got around yet to push the new version there
20120421 19:53:04< seblabel> well, i 'm downloading from playdeb
20120421 19:53:36< seblabel> is it a so bad idea ?
20120421 19:54:20< Rhonda> You are on your own if it breaks.
20120421 19:54:48< seblabel> let's see
20120421 19:54:56< seblabel> it's done anyway
20120421 19:58:45< seblabel> so, here we are : i used playdeb repo and have now the version 1.10.2 of the game
20120421 19:59:20< seblabel> let's try the «orcish intrusion»
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20120421 20:18:13< seblabel> all is working properly, exept the translation which is not 100% french
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20120421 20:48:50< shadowm> seblabel: That's just the symptom of an incomplete translation.
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20120421 20:51:08< shadowm> French is shown as completed in gettext.wesnoth.org, so either it reached that status after 1.10.2, or the packages you got miss some of the catalgoues.
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20120421 21:38:46< seblabel> shadowm: that could be the explanation
20120421 21:39:38< seblabel> i was just telling this as an information, i'm using the playdeb package
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