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20120502 00:58:37-!- Topic for #wesnoth-dev: 172 bugs, 335 feature requests, 15 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20120502 05:17:21< ancestral> I don't want to bother anyone at the moment, because I'd like to see if I can figure it out on my own
20120502 05:17:48< ancestral> But if I get stuck, who is best with knowing how exploder and the tile transitions logic works?
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20120502 05:46:24< shadowm> fendrin: how about you resist to add your personal opinion to locked topics in the future?
20120502 05:47:04< shadowm> *the urge to
20120502 05:47:54< shadowm> the ladder system has a nice entry barrier and that's probably the only reason why participants are mostly civilized
20120502 05:48:36< shadowm> a built-in mechanism would require no effort to understand, and translations would also be available, therefore virtually eliminating that entry barrier
20120502 05:49:06< shadowm> that said, I think it wasn't too long ago that everyone went ballistic because they felt someone was 'cheating'
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20120502 05:50:56< shadowm> fendrin_: well, I guess you can check the logs for what I said above if you lost connection before I said 'cheating'
20120502 05:51:45< shadowm> anyway, more generally on the matter of replying to locked topics: it's rude
20120502 05:52:14< shadowm> especially if you say you are stating your personal opinion. People could ask "well, why can't I add my personal opinion too? ah, because I'm not a moderator, that's why".
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20120502 05:54:36< fendrin_> shadowm: Right, I should have removed the lock from the topic.
20120502 05:56:08< shadowm> that's not really convenient either
20120502 06:06:50< ancestral> shadowm: Wondering what you think with http://r.wesnoth.org/t36715
20120502 06:07:21< ancestral> I'd like to re-add images to some pages that are thankfully still available via archive.org but I don't know where to put them
20120502 06:08:14< ancestral> I'd put them on my personal site but I don't think that really solves the problem either
20120502 06:10:26< shadowm> My thoughts: that's not my area of competence.
20120502 06:11:38< shadowm> In either case, stuff should be hosted in wesnoth.org for safety, but obviously no-one needs me to point out this. It's too obvious.
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20120502 06:13:54< ancestral> Okay, so
20120502 06:14:56< ancestral> Whenever that happens, whoever can do that…
20120502 06:17:18< shadowm> Jetrel has access to the directory we appear to prefer for hosting images for the wiki, and so do other admins who are not me and who may or may not be interested in the issue at hand.
20120502 06:17:38< shadowm> I am not interested in the issue at hand on grounds of lacking the required access.
20120502 06:18:22< shadowm> For the sake of simplicity I'm also excluding the possibility of allowing users to upload content to the wiki.
20120502 06:18:49< shadowm> (I don't even know what the reasons for that are; I can only speculate.)
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20120502 07:01:34< worduk> morning
20120502 07:01:59< worduk> running the test scenario I get a an lua error
20120502 07:02:16< worduk> I am unable to copy it because the text in game is not selectable
20120502 07:02:31< worduk> ah wait it is at the console too
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20120502 07:04:31< worduk> http://pastebin.com/z7qiXyEQ
20120502 07:06:23< worduk> I'll just submit a bug report I guess
20120502 07:11:37< Espreon> worduk: Just bug anonymissimus when he gets back.
20120502 07:17:06< Espreon> worduk: You'll have to REALLY bug him.
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20120502 07:18:49< worduk> yes ok
20120502 07:34:30< CIA-22> brilliand * r54067 /trunk/src/actions.cpp: Removed unused parameters
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20120502 08:04:15< CIA-22> j_daniel * r54068 /trunk/src/menu_events.cpp: Fix empty sides not getting listed at the status table bug #19322
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20120502 09:03:20< shadowm> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'boost::exception_detail::clone_impl<boost::exception_detail::error_info_injector<boost::iostreams::gzip_error> >'
20120502 09:03:23< shadowm> :/
20120502 09:03:38< shadowm> what() says "gzip error". How helpful.
20120502 09:04:18< shadowm> worduk: I am getting this when starting wesnoth again after generating the cache
20120502 09:05:08< shadowm> the progress bar doesn't get very far before aborting
20120502 09:06:28< shadowm> deleting the cache fixes it for one session, then it does the same thing again
20120502 09:09:04< worduk> shadowm: hmm didn't experience it here
20120502 09:09:09< worduk> shadowm: seems to work fine for me
20120502 09:09:55< worduk> worduk: I've figured out the remote scenario bug
20120502 09:10:05< worduk> worduk: game["hash"] is always empty
20120502 09:10:16< shadowm> worduk: yeah, but it doesn't work fine for me
20120502 09:10:19< worduk> worduk: so it just compares the map hashes to an empty string
20120502 09:10:32< shadowm> yes, I figured out the immediate problem with the hashes already
20120502 09:10:52< shadowm> just not the underlying cause because wesnothd scares me
20120502 09:11:14< worduk> shadowm: how to reproduce the bug 
20120502 09:11:21< worduk> shadowm: do you have any addons installed?
20120502 09:11:27< worduk> maybe it is one of the addons
20120502 09:12:33< shadowm> yes, I have a few add-ons installed
20120502 09:12:51< shadowm> funny it didn't occur to me to try juggling them around first...
20120502 09:13:06< worduk> shadowm: try it without the addons it should work
20120502 09:13:14< shadowm> of course it does
20120502 09:13:30< shadowm> now I want to know which add-on breaks it, because that's a bug in the cache ode, not the add-on
20120502 09:13:39< worduk> shadowm: yes
20120502 09:16:45< shadowm> it's a dummy add-on named <Invalid1 I created for testing the add-ons client code
20120502 09:17:48< shadowm> the only special thing about it other than the name is the empty _main.cfg
20120502 09:18:18< shadowm> that sounds eerily familiar
20120502 09:18:32< shadowm> wow
20120502 09:19:14< shadowm> This is bug #16544, which I couldn't reproduce before because the cache was always being regenerated.
20120502 09:20:10< shadowm> So I guess it was never tied to a specific Boost version. I'm using 1.49.
20120502 09:20:34< shadowm> ... This also means I need to reupload an add-on of mine to the 1.10 server.
20120502 09:22:32< shadowm> worduk: Do you think you could look into that too?
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20120502 09:30:37< worduk> shadowm: yes but I've to go to university now maybe in the evening
20120502 09:31:01< shadowm> I'll add a comment there anyway.
20120502 09:32:25< shadowm> bluh, gna.org reverts other people's changes if a tracker entry has been modified since I loaded it, and before submitting
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20120502 14:38:25< worduk> after looking at all the parser and tokenizer and config_cache stuff I've no clue how to fix the error except for catching it
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20120502 14:57:13< CIA-22> j_daniel * r54069 /trunk/src/serialization/tokenizer.hpp: Fix a bug in boost that doesn't let us read 0 byte files from gzip streams Bug #16544
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20120502 14:59:38< worduk> now I'll return to the map_hash problem
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20120502 15:37:52< CIA-22> j_daniel * r54070 /trunk/src/multiplayer_create.cpp: Add hash of the current to mp_game_settings fixing Bug #19469
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20120502 15:50:45< worduk> so I still got the problem with a slow addon server
20120502 15:51:33< worduk> maybe it is my isp I don't know it is really slow downloading the list of addons even on a 100Mbit/s connection
20120502 15:53:13< loonycyborg> How much time exactly it takes?
20120502 15:53:39< worduk> now it is faster
20120502 15:53:43< worduk> like 5 sec
20120502 15:54:04< worduk> but downloading an addon is really slow
20120502 15:54:43< loonycyborg> It uses all available bandwidth when downloading an addon for me.
20120502 15:54:50< worduk> not for me
20120502 15:54:56< worduk> it is really slow
20120502 15:55:46 * loonycyborg tries to remember what's his isp provided bandwidth is
20120502 15:57:13< loonycyborg> 6 Mbit/s
20120502 15:59:00< worduk> it is like 1MB per minute instead of per second for me
20120502 16:05:35< loonycyborg> It's just slow connection somewhere between you and wesnoth.org
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20120502 18:08:07< fendrin_> worduk: hi
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20120502 18:20:14< worduk> fendrin_: hi
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20120502 18:58:00< CIA-22> j_daniel * r54073 /trunk/src/ (util.cpp util.hpp): Add lexical casts for double
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20120502 19:15:07< Ivanovic> in case you are surprised about not receiving the commit mails from j_daniels commits: there was a problem with the filters
20120502 19:15:33< Ivanovic> fixed that and you should receive future messages, sadly the ML seems to not like me so i can't forward those mails to the commits-ml
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20120502 20:22:43< fendrin_> zookeeper: I have implemented the += problem with a prefix, the merge config code checks for add_to_<attribute_key> and adds the value onto attribute_key.
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20120502 20:23:01< mordante> servus
20120502 20:23:05< fendrin_> hi mordante
20120502 20:23:13< mordante> hi fendrin_ 
20120502 20:24:01< mordante> fendrin_, any plans on Wesconf Saarbrücken? 
20120502 20:24:26< fendrin_> mordante: Yes, I have asked for a room just today. And we have one.
20120502 20:24:38< fendrin_> I mean a working room with network.
20120502 20:24:43< fendrin_> And support.
20120502 20:24:46< mordante> cool I thought about it this morning
20120502 20:25:05< fendrin_> That must have been remote mind melting.
20120502 20:26:08< mordante> well of course German children learn mind-reading in kindergarten ;-)
20120502 20:27:11< mordante> can we pick a date if so what in which time-frame?
20120502 20:27:35< fendrin_> Yeah, we should do that soon, thus people have some preparation time.
20120502 20:28:55< fendrin_> But I can't tell today, need to check first when my exams take place.
20120502 20:29:58< CIA-22> j_daniel * r54074 /trunk/src/ (util.cpp util.hpp): Add lexical casts for float
20120502 20:31:02< worduk> I really hate util.hpp it forces a complete recompile
20120502 20:31:12< mordante> fendrin_, ok
20120502 20:31:19< fendrin_> mordante: And I would like to let the event being a little longer. The 2 days FOSDEM are just too spare.
20120502 20:31:22< mordante> worduk, we have several god header ;-)
20120502 20:31:58< mordante> fendrin_, if I can get free and have no other plans in that time frame, I'm in favour
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20120502 20:32:52< fendrin_> mordante: Maybe for those who want and can get vacation from work/school/whatever a whole week. That means we can some serious work done. 
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20120502 20:32:56< worduk> is anyone willing to fix the ctrl+f fullscreen switch black screen bug
20120502 20:33:00< worduk> I don't like it
20120502 20:33:13< mordante> do you have a number
20120502 20:34:19< worduk> mordante: #16376
20120502 20:35:58< mordante> I don't plan to work on it, I however still plan to work on the new lobby
20120502 20:36:07< mordante> but first need the listbox mess sorted out
20120502 20:37:28< worduk> mordante: check for the map_hash bug in the new lobby should be set during map_selection at the games mp_game_settings
20120502 20:37:51< worduk> game["hash"] was empty at the old lobbz
20120502 20:39:21< mordante> fendrin_, sounds interesting
20120502 20:40:06< mordante> fendrin_, maybe then I've to get the proper beer for the occasion (and get some extra for at my place :-) )
20120502 20:40:52< mordante> worduk, didn't somebody already commit something for it recently?
20120502 20:41:03< worduk> mordante: yes but for the old lobby
20120502 20:41:20< worduk> mordante: or does the new lobby still use multiplayer_create?
20120502 20:42:43< mordante> yes and also the new MP create was touched, so I assume all was fixed
20120502 20:45:50< worduk> no it wasn't touched
20120502 20:46:08< mordante> I'm talking about r54051
20120502 20:46:09< worduk> I don't see adding the hash during map update
20120502 20:51:07< worduk> mordante: which filename?
20120502 20:51:25< worduk> mordante: I can't seem find all the mp lobby stuff in gui with the svn browser
20120502 20:51:47< worduk> mordante: but it is in my local copy
20120502 20:52:20< worduk> ah wait
20120502 20:52:22< worduk> second page
20120502 20:55:44< worduk> mordante: I don't see anything related to the hash map
20120502 20:55:59< worduk> it should be generated in update_map
20120502 21:00:31< mordante> I don't have time for it now, first want to look at the listbox stuff
20120502 21:00:54< mordante> Akihara_, around?
20120502 21:00:59< fendrin_> mordante: There is a belgisches Restaurant around the corner. It has all sort of funny beer.
20120502 21:01:32< mordante> fendrin_, I'm not looking for funny beer, just for TC'ed beer
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20120502 21:01:49< mordante> but funny belgium beer can be fun as well
20120502 21:04:08< fendrin_> Team colored beer?
20120502 21:04:33< Ivanovic> mordante: uhm, they also have the pink elephant beer?
20120502 21:04:51< fendrin_> sure
20120502 21:04:53< CIA-22> mordante * r54075 /trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): 
20120502 21:04:53< CIA-22> Add the skeletal code for the new viewport widget.
20120502 21:04:53< CIA-22> The code is used to experiment with a different approach of the
20120502 21:04:53< CIA-22> implementation of a listbox.
20120502 21:05:10< fendrin_> delirium tremenz
20120502 21:06:36< mordante> delirium tremens is nice :-)
20120502 21:07:30< mordante> Ivanovic, no rothaus
20120502 21:07:59< ChrisOelmueller> i should so remove that highlight
20120502 21:08:00< ChrisOelmueller> ;o
20120502 21:09:31< Ivanovic> mordante: sounds dangerous to me
20120502 21:09:44< Ivanovic> close to what boucman would *never* order as drink!
20120502 21:09:46< Ivanovic> ;)
20120502 21:10:00< mordante> true, but it tastes rather good
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20120502 21:10:33< Ivanovic> "good" means "better than heineken", right? sadly this is not too hard to achieve...
20120502 21:10:36< Ivanovic> ^^
20120502 21:10:56< mordante> of course when boucman orders you won't know the colour of the image ;-)
20120502 21:11:29< mordante> Ivanovic, there is a very good reason to export Heineken... we don't want that stuff over here ;-)
20120502 21:11:45< Ivanovic> hehehe
20120502 21:13:33< shadowm> worduk: can r54070 be safely backported to 1.10?
20120502 21:15:16< shadowm> I wonder whether the try/catch block in r54069 causes any additional overhead, since mordante had worked on some tokenizer optimizations before
20120502 21:17:04< worduk> shadowm: which file?
20120502 21:17:26< worduk> shadowm: yes it seems to be a bit slower
20120502 21:21:05< mordante> worduk, are you on Linux or Windows?
20120502 21:21:14< worduk> mordante: linux
20120502 21:21:20< worduk> mordante: sabayon
20120502 21:21:42< worduk> shadowm: even the latest can be backported
20120502 21:22:01< mordante> I expect the effect to be worse on Windows, exception code has a rather high overhead on 32-bit windows
20120502 21:22:14< mordante> and the IO code is also slower
20120502 21:22:47< worduk> mordante: feel free to find a better solution I think it is a boost bug
20120502 21:25:42< worduk> shadowm: the cache can be backported and the empty controller stuff too also the map_hash fix
20120502 21:26:34< mordante> worduk, is there a test-case to trigger the bug?
20120502 21:27:00< worduk> mordante: just create an empty _main.cfg in one of the addons
20120502 21:27:14< worduk> mordante: shadowm has a Invalid addon
20120502 21:27:21< worduk> that has an empy _main.cfg
20120502 21:28:47< worduk> mordante: boost just doesn't seem to return EOF for 0 byte files
20120502 21:33:22< worduk> mordante: one could also try to not cache 0 byte files
20120502 21:35:15< mordante> worduk, that would be another option, but then there still could be a throw upon an invalid cache
20120502 21:35:19< mordante> will have a look
20120502 21:37:37< fendrin_> shadowm: hello
20120502 21:38:07< worduk> shadowm: but I think the ctrl+f fullscreen bug should be fixed too
20120502 21:38:38< worduk> shadowm: there is also a tip box crash
20120502 21:40:30< worduk> I think I'll go to the party room to socialize and drink
20120502 21:40:41< fendrin_> damn I left some unholy debug output around.
20120502 21:40:50< worduk> fendrin_: where?
20120502 21:41:16< mordante> shadowm, can you also reproduce the boost bug with boost 1.42?
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20120502 21:43:59< fendrin_> worduk: during unit_type creation.
20120502 21:44:25< fendrin_> I wonder if it is in trunk as well.
20120502 21:45:00< worduk> mordante: I won't try to install an old boost version
20120502 21:45:12< worduk> mordante: but it should work with 1.3 one
20120502 21:45:35< mordante> boost 1.3?
20120502 21:46:36< worduk> ah never mind
20120502 21:46:45< worduk> I thought there was an old 1.3 release
20120502 21:47:08< worduk> loonycyborg: stated it should work with 1.41
20120502 21:47:10< mordante> no I just have 1.42 installed, compiling 1.49 at the moment
20120502 21:47:34< shadowm> mordante: what Boost bug?
20120502 21:47:51< worduk> mordante: you first have to create the cache and then rerun wesnoth it should throw the exception
20120502 21:48:05< mordante> I have and I have a file with size 0
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20120502 21:49:04< shadowm> mordante: as worduk said (and as the _bug report_ itself says), it's enough to create an add-on with a _main.cfg that has no WML attributes or nodes (i.e. empty or only containing comments)
20120502 21:50:55< shadowm> And no, I don't have Boost 1.42 on this machine.
20120502 21:51:12< mordante> shadowm, yeah I just did, but doesn't seem to cause a problem with boost 1.42, compiling with 1.49 at the moment
20120502 21:51:31< shadowm> I think the report said it only happens with 1.44 and later?
20120502 21:52:38< mordante> it says 1.41 is good and 1.44 bad, not explicit about the versions in between
20120502 21:52:40< shadowm> Okay, it implied it doesn't happen with 1.41, and it does with 1.44.
20120502 21:52:41< mordante> just hope you would have 1.42 installed
20120502 21:53:01< shadowm> I'm using Debian testing, so no.
20120502 21:54:14< shadowm> And of course you'll need to skip r54069 since it contains the try/catch fix.
20120502 21:54:34< mordante> I did and besides I did catch throw in gdb
20120502 21:54:47< mordante> hmm 1.49 seems to give linker errors
20120502 21:54:52< mordante> will look at it later
20120502 21:55:03< mordante> off for now, bye
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20120502 21:55:19< shadowm> fendrin_: you were looking for me?
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20120502 21:59:26< fendrin_> shadowm: Yes, I would like to know your opinion about WML syntax.
20120502 21:59:53< fendrin_> My goal is not only to override values from a [base_unit] but modify them. 
20120502 22:00:40< fendrin_> Thus I have modified the merge_with method of config to look for attributes beginning with "add_to_" and add the value given to the former one.
20120502 22:01:36< shadowm> somehow I suspect you want zookeeper, not me.
20120502 22:02:08< shadowm> I'm terrible at defining syntax for anything.
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20120502 22:06:46< fendrin_> shadowm: Okay, no problem.
20120502 22:07:29< shadowm> That said, I don't see any problems with that, since I can't see any other legitimate use for unit_type.add_to_foo that could cause a conflict in the future.
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20120502 22:12:40< fendrin_> shadowm: Well, I should implement some sort of type detection and handle double and maybe strings and bools as well.
20120502 22:14:09< fendrin_> And that might mean introducing some more of them to do some stuff implicitly.
20120502 22:14:34< fendrin_> explicitly
20120502 22:14:58< worduk> scons: *** [build/debug/widgets/viewport.o] Source `src/widgets/viewport.cpp' not found, needed by target `build/debug/widgets/viewport.o'.
20120502 22:14:58< worduk> scons: building terminated because of errors.
20120502 22:16:37< shadowm> worduk: I'm committing a fix
20120502 22:17:58< CIA-22> shadowmaster * r54076 /trunk/src/SConscript: Fix bogus file path added to SConscript in r54075
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20120502 22:31:12< worduk> shadowm: maybe the addon server speed is so slow because of the debug build?
20120502 22:31:28< worduk> shadowm: maybe I should try to make a release binary
20120502 22:31:45< fendrin_> shadowm: Can I have the images of a unit at the same location as the config? Do I need to add [binary_path] tags for that purpose?
20120502 22:31:47< shadowm> I have no way to verify that seeing as I don't currently have a debug build.
20120502 22:32:05< shadowm> Also, I'm on a ludicrously high latency connection, so I wouldn't notice a difference.
20120502 22:32:36< worduk> shadowm: I usually have download speed of 4Megabytes per second
20120502 22:32:58< shadowm> less than 0.3 MiB/sec here on average and ping times above 500 ms
20120502 22:33:01< worduk> shadowm: and with the addon server I have 1Megabyte per minute
20120502 22:33:17< worduk> even worse
20120502 22:33:29< shadowm> no, not the add-ons server, I mean everything
20120502 22:33:43< shadowm> i.e. if the add-ons server is being slow I won't notice
20120502 22:33:44< worduk> shadowm: yes I know I was talking about my speed
20120502 22:33:51< worduk> shadowm: yes I know
20120502 22:34:09< shadowm> fendrin_: You can use more fully qualified paths like this: data/campaigns/Heir_to_the_Throne/images/units/konrad-fighter-or-whatever.png
20120502 22:34:12< worduk> I can't even finish the SX RPG addon
20120502 22:34:21< worduk> I have to stay there all night
20120502 22:34:26< shadowm> fendrin_: that works for images, sounds, and music.
20120502 22:34:50< fendrin_> shadowm: Well, the point is that I want to have simple pathes, relative ones. like image=my_unit_type_name.png
20120502 22:35:02< fendrin_> assuming that both files are at the same directory.
20120502 22:35:07< shadowm> Then you must define an appropriate binary_path.
20120502 22:35:26< shadowm> The image locator code has no way to know this.
20120502 22:35:35< fendrin_> do I need ./ syntax?
20120502 22:35:43< shadowm> That won't work either.
20120502 22:37:35< fendrin_> It's also adding "images" automatically, seems this is not a good idea.
20120502 22:44:27< zookeeper> it's a great idea
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20120502 22:49:55< worduk> ok starting to compile a release build
20120502 22:50:09< worduk> I hope the addon server bug will be gone then
20120502 22:50:37< shadowm> I don't think it's that bad.
20120502 22:53:40< worduk> what is the url of the addon server?
20120502 22:53:51< worduk> I'll check with traceroute
20120502 22:53:56< shadowm> add-ons.wesnoth.org
20120502 22:54:02< shadowm> it says so in the connection dialog
20120502 22:54:37< shadowm> that name resolves to the same machine as wesnoth.org, forums.wesnoth.org, server.wesnoth.org, andprettymucheverythingelsethatisntserver2orserver3.wesnoth.org
20120502 22:55:08< vultraz_laptop> http://pastebin.com/3iWKbuYf <-- patch to add viewport.cpp/hpp to the XCode proj
20120502 22:55:26 * shadowm eats vultraz_laptop 
20120502 22:56:23 * vultraz_laptop raises eyebrow
20120502 22:56:54< CIA-22> shadowmaster * r54077 /trunk/projectfiles/Xcode/Wesnoth.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj: Update Xcode project file (patch by vultraz)
20120502 22:58:24< vultraz_laptop> :) thanks
20120502 22:58:45< worduk> 13  vl551.corea.trum.fastdns.net (69.94.3.37)  739.238 ms  128.519 ms  128.652 ms
20120502 22:58:46< worduk> 14  wesnoth.wesnoth.org (65.18.193.12)  1215.237 ms  118.743 ms  118.656 ms
20120502 22:58:51< worduk> 1200ms
20120502 22:58:53< worduk> wow
20120502 22:58:58< worduk> that's alot
20120502 23:01:12< worduk> downloading the addon with firefox is alot faster
20120502 23:01:28< worduk> it's like 1Megabyte per second
20120502 23:03:04< worduk> instead of 1Megabyte per minute with add-on manager
20120502 23:03:37< worduk> I hope it is just the debug build but I don't think so
20120502 23:03:42< shadowm> let's swap Internet services
20120502 23:03:46< worduk> something is wrong with the network stuff
20120502 23:03:47< shadowm> you'll go crazy with mine
20120502 23:03:57< worduk> shadowm: no thx *g*
20120502 23:04:05< shadowm> aw
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20120502 23:08:18< worduk> I am off for the party room now I'll be back after some beer and I hope the release build will be finished
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20120502 23:43:12< worduk> re
20120502 23:43:37< worduk> I just drank one beer and left the party
20120502 23:43:50< worduk> there was some annoying commercial techno music
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20120502 23:50:58< worduk> shadowm: running and keeping linux update with a connection like that seems to be impossible for me
20120502 23:51:28< worduk>  /s/update/up to date/
20120502 23:51:34< shadowm> it's perfectly possible since I don't need to do much
20120502 23:52:15< shadowm> just reload apt sources, choose to upgrade everything, return to what I'm doing
20120502 23:52:55< worduk> well I don't like debian because of the separation between user and dev packages
20120502 23:53:01< shadowm> the download process itself doesn't require any intervention from me, so I can do anything I want in the meantime
20120502 23:53:11< worduk> it's annoying to install all the dev packages
20120502 23:53:35< worduk> in gentoo or sabayon there is just one package no separate dev packages
20120502 23:53:54< shadowm> surely gentoo or whatever don't require the user to be watching the download process either
20120502 23:54:20< worduk> shadowm: yes of course not but it'll take days to update the system with a connection like that
20120502 23:54:29< shadowm> no, it doesn't. I said average.
20120502 23:54:54< shadowm> during early morning I can get up to 700 KiB/sec
20120502 23:55:05< worduk> ah ok
20120502 23:55:23< shadowm> I downloaded 1.7 GiB worth of updates once in less than an hour this way
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20120502 23:59:46< worduk> tomorrow I have to be at university at 8:00 :(
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