--- Log opened Sat May 05 00:00:03 2012
20120505 00:02:49< jamit> Problems such as what?
20120505 00:04:16< AI0867> er, there was a reason for the change to begin with
20120505 00:04:51< AI0867> bug #19681 and #19201 <-- this
20120505 00:07:06< jamit> 19681 is fixed, even with integers stored as doubles.
20120505 00:07:36< AI0867> it's still fixed?
20120505 00:08:02< jamit> 19201 would not be solved by storing ints as ints. At least not the part where "000" becomes "0".
20120505 00:08:19< AI0867> true
20120505 00:08:37< AI0867> I copied the reference of those two bugs out of the commit message
20120505 00:10:09< jamit> Yes. worduk reverted those changes because I was able to use http://pastebin.com/muCRL6LG to get the game to verify the cache. (That's much earlier in this chat.)
20120505 00:11:04< jamit> The basic problem that caused the cache to never validate is that lexical casts from floats to ints do not work so well.
20120505 00:12:09< jamit> The lexical cast in question uses config::attribute_value::to_str(), and my change to that simply had the game see if it could write the float as an int before proceeding to writing it as a float.
20120505 00:12:50< AI0867> yeah, I see that part now
20120505 00:12:56< AI0867> the commit looked more like a revert
20120505 00:13:25< jamit> That's why I asked about the problems. That change to to_str() possibly fixed a bunch of them. ;)
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20120505 00:28:42< OpposingFranz> Hi; I'm trying to get BoW built using CMake and Visual Studio 2008 express, and I'm stuck.
20120505 00:29:02< OpposingFranz> (or even BfW)
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20120505 00:40:01< anonymissimus> OpposingFranz: use the "standalone project file" guide
20120505 00:40:42< anonymissimus> the one in the wiki under compiling wesnoth on windows; juts gogle with these words
20120505 00:40:57< OpposingFranz> k
20120505 00:41:31< anonymissimus> shadowm: I was asking because of http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=36741&p=527657#p527657
20120505 00:42:07< anonymissimus> wondering about the motivation, so it seems there are many strings that aren't spellchecked due to your non-wmllint conformant wml :P
20120505 00:42:59< OpposingFranz> you mean this? http://wiki.wesnoth.org/CompilingWesnothOnWindows#Compiling_Wesnoth_on_Windows (as opposed to the "old guides" on that wiki page)?
20120505 00:44:22< anonymissimus> OpposingFranz: yes
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20120505 00:51:24< OpposingFranz> I was about to try that anyway ;-); the method in the wiki seems to work so far, I can't remember why I tried to go the CMake route (perhaps I just wanted to give CMake a try). But after manually adding some more paths and finally generating the solution with CMake, that generated solution doesn't seem to work completely.
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20120505 00:57:51< OpposingFranz> I was about to try that anyway ;-); the method in the wiki seems to work so far, I can't remember why I tried to go the CMake route (perhaps I just wanted to give CMake a try). But after manually adding some more paths and finally generating the solution with CMake, that generated solution doesn't seem to work completely.
20120505 00:58:48< OpposingFranz> I think what put me off was the "this last worked in July 2011" :-), but hopefully someone can update this date in a moment.
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20120505 01:08:50< anonymissimus> gabba, timotei: as far as I know you've been building wesnoth successfully with MSVC9 lately; what architecture was this on and what windows os version ?
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20120505 01:10:12< anonymissimus> I'm really desperated now...wesnoth just doesn't build for me with the new setup though I for sure know it should since I was able to build that revision using the same installer for MSVC and same dependencies... :(((
20120505 01:10:49< vultraz> anonymissimus: I can't get it to build either (release), haven't tried debug in a few weeks
20120505 01:11:28< vultraz> except in VC10
20120505 01:12:57< anonymissimus> what's makes this even weirder is that while I suspect that something about my hardware, driver or OS setup breaks it, some other projects and build systems work fine
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20120505 01:17:31< OpposingFranz> k, now I'm getting link errors. I'll examine...
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20120505 01:46:38< OpposingFranz> wesnoth.lib was never really built. now I'm trying with Visual Studio 11 beta, but some mechanism to determine the version number doesn't seem to like that. So I'm downloading VS c++ 10 express on a slow wireless connection now...
20120505 01:47:40< OpposingFranz> "Unknown compiler version - please run the configure tests and report the results"; I'm not sure how to "run the configure tests", and I don't even know (yet) who's asking me to.
20120505 01:51:59< OpposingFranz> "1>..\..\src\version.cpp(254): error C2039: 'greater' : is not a member of 'std'" WTF? MSVS beta bug?
20120505 01:52:55< loonycyborg> OpposingFranz: That sounds like a boost error message for a compiler version they don't yet support.
20120505 01:54:17< OpposingFranz> ah.
20120505 01:54:26< loonycyborg> So you'll have to use latest boost if you want to use bleeding-edge compilers.
20120505 01:54:45< OpposingFranz> I also just noticed that I took the VC9 externals and just copied them over to my vc11 attempt.
20120505 01:54:57< OpposingFranz> but vc10 is here now, I'll try that.
20120505 01:59:53< anonymissimus> OpposingFranz: just copying dependencies will not work during the linking step
20120505 02:00:10< anonymissimus> you need boost compiled with teh same MSVC version
20120505 02:00:33< anonymissimus> (but it is easy to get since they provide an installer)
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20120505 02:02:27< OpposingFranz> I got all the libraries separately in my earlier, failed attempt with "pure" CMake. Let's see how VC10 fares.
20120505 02:03:04< OpposingFranz> well, I got a wenoth.lib for starters, so it's looking promising...
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20120505 02:06:40< OpposingFranz> also a wesnoth.lib.
20120505 02:07:25< OpposingFranz> VS is complaining: http://pastebin.com/gTsh3iHf What exactly does it want? Differentiating between Windows 98 and NT (so I should just use NT all the time)?
20120505 02:08:32< OpposingFranz> I guess the default of "XP" is fine; presumably vc10 doesn't know about w7.
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20120505 02:20:18< OpposingFranz> do any of you have compile speed comparisons between vc on windows and gcc on linux on the same machine (for wesnoth "from scratch")?
20120505 02:20:54< OpposingFranz> cause this feels awfully slow.
20120505 02:22:49< loonycyborg> This is C++. You can forget about fast compile times :P
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20120505 02:25:45< OpposingFranz> okay, strtof doesn't exist in vc10
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20120505 02:30:34< OpposingFranz> ...wesnoth\src\util.cpp(256): error C3861: 'strtof': identifier not found (also lines 269, 281, 294). 
20120505 02:30:49< OpposingFranz> Added a few days ago by j_daniel.
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20120505 02:34:07< OpposingFranz> strtod could be used instead on MSVC until they fix their compiler.
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20120505 02:45:41< OpposingFranz> "fancy" diff: http://pastebin.com/3VxBRLDp
20120505 02:50:41< OpposingFranz> also OpenMP has to be turned off; I'm guessing this is available in the regular versions, but not the express versions.
20120505 02:51:50< OpposingFranz> property page -> configuration properties -> c/c
20120505 02:52:15< OpposingFranz> ++ -> language -> openMp support
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20120505 03:14:11< anonymissimus> OpposingFranz: regarding openMP, that might be yeah
20120505 03:14:24< anonymissimus> I didnt build in the express version since long
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20120505 03:16:47< anonymissimus> OpposingFranz: your diff looks like one of the usual win compile problems ;)
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20120505 03:30:06< shadowm> anonymissimus: wmllint doesn't spellcheck msgstrs in po files
20120505 03:30:11< shadowm> it doesn't spellcheck po files at all
20120505 03:30:28< shadowm> jamit: yes
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20120505 05:49:32< worduk> re
20120505 05:50:05< worduk> I was at a mensa party with horrible commerical techno and hip hop or rnb music
20120505 05:50:26< worduk> I am glad to be back again
20120505 05:52:11< worduk> the beer was expensive too
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20120505 05:53:47< worduk> compile problems with strtof
20120505 05:53:52< worduk> hmm
20120505 05:57:25< worduk> I mat girl in the 40s
20120505 05:57:29< worduk> met
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20120505 05:59:31< worduk> I actually like to listen to punk metal and songwriters
20120505 05:59:54< worduk> at the party was a dj who was a transsexual
20120505 06:00:05< worduk> he dressed like woman
20120505 06:00:18< worduk> and got hair like a woman
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20120505 06:04:13< shadowm> worduk: Did you read what I said earlier?
20120505 06:04:19< worduk> yes
20120505 06:04:43< worduk> it works at the stable branch
20120505 06:05:13< shadowm> I wasn't asking whether it worked or not.
20120505 06:05:58< worduk> though I really doesn't know how to get a real backported in svn
20120505 06:06:00< shadowm> What I said, again: "This obviously changes 1.10's clients interpretation of WML. That kind of change just can't happen in a stable branch. Regardless of whether there was a bug in the first place."
20120505 06:06:04< worduk> I was asking for it
20120505 06:06:46< shadowm> In other words, it is my opinion that, unless you can accurately prove that it doesn't change the config class' behavior (it does), it should be reverted.
20120505 06:07:13< worduk> it just changes a misinterpretation and if everyone has the latest 1.10 which is required for multiplayer there shouldn't be a [roblem
20120505 06:07:25< shadowm> No.
20120505 06:07:39< shadowm> That's not how stable branches work.
20120505 06:07:54< shadowm> All clients from 1.10.0 to the last version in the branch are supposed to be compatible.
20120505 06:08:20< worduk> they are no matter if the cache works or not
20120505 06:08:38< shadowm> What's that supposed to mean?
20120505 06:09:49< shadowm> As jamit asked, there could be a way to fix the cache invalidation issue _without_ changing the behavior of WML in general.
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20120505 06:10:10< worduk> I didn't change the behaviour of wml at all
20120505 06:10:26< worduk> I was using jamits code
20120505 06:10:44< worduk> in the 1.10 fix
20120505 06:10:53< shadowm> If it doesn't change the behavior of WML, then how does it fix anything?
20120505 06:11:12< shadowm> The change is in config.cpp, not the cache management code.
20120505 06:11:18< worduk> it still stores ints and longs as double
20120505 06:11:43< worduk> there was only a integer to string conversion which didn't work at all
20120505 06:14:26< shadowm> So it did change the behavior.
20120505 06:16:19< shadowm> And in particular, it made a certain bug resurface.
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20120505 06:16:38< worduk> what's a resurface?
20120505 06:17:06< shadowm> When something goes back to the surface...
20120505 06:17:10< worduk> ok
20120505 06:17:27< shadowm> I mean https://gna.org/bugs/?16544 in particular.
20120505 06:17:28< worduk> so it affects bugs in the past?
20120505 06:17:49< worduk> yes that's the only one
20120505 06:18:14< shadowm> Hence I never used plural.
20120505 06:18:18< worduk> and the addons downloadable at the addon server don't contain an empy main.cfg
20120505 06:18:54< shadowm> I take it you actually went and downloaded them all.
20120505 06:19:11< OpposingFranz> now I've just got 5 unresolved references at link time left: http://pastebin.com/X1p60CNJ
20120505 06:19:12< worduk> no I didn't addon server is slow for me
20120505 06:19:21< worduk> OpposingFranz: I'll check
20120505 06:19:34< shadowm> Then I assume you actually had a server admin check whether there were any add-ons containing an empty _main.cfg.
20120505 06:19:43< worduk> ugh
20120505 06:19:49< OpposingFranz> mostly boost stuff
20120505 06:19:50< worduk> OpposingFranz: this looks ugly
20120505 06:19:57< OpposingFranz> yes, it's ugly, sry
20120505 06:20:16< OpposingFranz> but paste it into a document and it'll be fine
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20120505 06:20:30< worduk> shadowm: I just checked for the Invalid addon you got
20120505 06:20:33< shadowm> OpposingFranz: it looks like your build system/project file is lacking some recently added files.
20120505 06:20:45< shadowm> worduk: You weren't paying attention when I explained the purpose of the add-on.
20120505 06:20:55< shadowm> I never uploaded it to the add-ons server.
20120505 06:21:15< shadowm> It was only meant for internal testing of a completely different thing.
20120505 06:21:40< OpposingFranz> I built according to the instructions for vc10, including the dependencies for "external"
20120505 06:21:50< worduk> the bug fix will reduce load time at the stable branch drastically
20120505 06:22:05< worduk> and everyone would expect the cache to be working
20120505 06:22:34< shadowm> worduk: I never questioned that.
20120505 06:23:24< shadowm> OpposingFranz: could you check whether your project file has src/gui/widgets/viewport.cpp and src/gui/widgets/pane.cpp
20120505 06:25:29< OpposingFranz> hmm, I get a bunch of these: wesnoth\src\config.hpp(37): fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'boost/variant/variant.hpp': No such file or directory
20120505 06:25:57< shadowm> worduk: One other add-on of mine was in the server for a good while before your fix to the cache invalidation bug made the cache crash issue resurface. That add-on had an empty (parser-wise) _main.cfg. I'd not doubt other people could have uploaded add-ons with empty _main.cfg files too, ever since the cache invalidation hid the crash.
20120505 06:26:08< shadowm> *Another
20120505 06:26:44< shadowm> I quickly reuploaded it with a stupid workaround, of course. But what _I_ do in particular or not is not the point.
20120505 06:27:17< shadowm> And the actual point is that 1.10.2 and 1.10.3 could interpret the same piece of WML differently.
20120505 06:28:32< OpposingFranz> viewport and pane seem to be missing
20120505 06:28:50< OpposingFranz> (from the .sln, as far as I can tell) I'll add them
20120505 06:31:10< OpposingFranz> (or rather, from the project)
20120505 06:32:12< OpposingFranz> k, I have an exe now!
20120505 06:32:33< OpposingFranz> tracking down dlls...
20120505 06:32:37< shadowm> Great! :)
20120505 06:33:22< OpposingFranz> what's the best way? add my external/dll to some library path?
20120505 06:33:38< worduk> plz someone commit the updated project file
20120505 06:33:47< shadowm> OpposingFranz: I think most people just throw any required libraries into the directory with the resultant executable.
20120505 06:33:54< worduk> I don't care I am not using windows but some are
20120505 06:34:35< OpposingFranz> easier to put the exe where the dlls are ;-)
20120505 06:35:23< worduk> so there was problem with strtof on VC++
20120505 06:35:24< worduk> ?
20120505 06:35:36< OpposingFranz> yes, in fact there still is
20120505 06:35:46< OpposingFranz> it's not even in vc 11 beta
20120505 06:36:04< OpposingFranz> so I'm guessing ms will never provide it
20120505 06:36:38< OpposingFranz> from googling, it should be no problem to replace it by strod
20120505 06:36:53< worduk> yes and cast to float afterwards
20120505 06:36:57< OpposingFranz> for example
20120505 06:37:37< worduk> ok I'll change that
20120505 06:40:30< OpposingFranz> hmm, started wesnoth from the dll directory; it seems to do something (create directories) but I don't see a process in task manager
20120505 06:42:05< OpposingFranz> https://gna.org/patch/index.php?3274
20120505 06:42:14< CIA-22> j_daniel * r54096 /trunk/src/util.cpp: Use strtod instead of strtof because VC++ doesn't support it
20120505 06:43:08< worduk> its related to the gui changes bui mordante
20120505 06:43:12< worduk> by
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20120505 06:44:33< OpposingFranz> does the game have any other expectations regarding directories etc.? when I start nothing seems to happen.
20120505 06:45:17< shadowm_laptop> OpposingFranz: can you check stderr.txt in the directory where the executable is?
20120505 06:46:46< OpposingFranz> wesnoth.exe: Native' has exited with code -1073741515 (0xc0000135).
20120505 06:48:13< OpposingFranz> sterr.txt: http://pastebin.com/L1iPG5SR
20120505 06:49:56< OpposingFranz> k, I gotta go offline now; I'll see whether I can get it running when on the train later on. I guess I'll put the exe in a more comfortable environment, with some data from the release...
20120505 06:50:01< shadowm> OpposingFranz: it expects to be able to locate data/_main.cfg on its current directory.
20120505 06:50:07< shadowm> Or something like that, yeah.
20120505 06:50:30< shadowm> Or alternatively, pass the correct path to the parent dir (of data/, images/, fonts/, etc.) in the command line as the last argument.
20120505 06:50:40< OpposingFranz> k
20120505 06:50:53< shadowm> Now I'm not sure why it's reporting the data directory as the empty string.
20120505 06:51:12< shadowm> I guess that's equivalent to . (the current dir).
20120505 06:51:23< OpposingFranz> l8er
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20120505 07:01:33< worduk> shadowm: the fullscreen switch bug doesn't appear for you?
20120505 07:01:43< worduk> it is in 1.10-svn for me
20120505 07:02:10< shadowm> I think I said yesterday or so that it didn't; neither on the 1.10 branch, nor trunk.
20120505 07:02:38< worduk> what's your xorg and sdl version and graphics driver
20120505 07:04:45< shadowm> X.org server 1.11.4 from Debian, SDL 1.2.15 from Debian, a custom build of the xf86-video-intel DDX, version 2.18.0
20120505 07:05:07< worduk> maybe it only appears on nvidia-driver
20120505 07:05:26< shadowm> The SDL packagers tend to include fixes even before they are committed upstream.
20120505 07:05:59< shadowm> s/committed/released/
20120505 07:07:24< worduk> I've got 1.11.4 from sabayon
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20120505 07:07:30< worduk> with nvidia-driver
20120505 07:07:51< worduk> and sdl 1.2.15 too
20120505 07:09:04< shadowm> The easiest way to tell would be to take another stable SDL application and try.
20120505 07:09:39< worduk> shadowm: in my opinion it is related to title_screen and mp_lobby not having a display_manager
20120505 07:10:06< shadowm> I'm not sure how your opinion accounts for the fact it works and has always worked here.
20120505 07:17:31< worduk> it works with using the preferences menu checkbox
20120505 07:17:46< worduk> and preferences menu has a display manager
20120505 07:21:08< shadowm> That doesn't explain why it works here regardless.
20120505 07:21:45< worduk> yes I know
20120505 07:21:46< shadowm> I'm strongly opposed to voodoo-style fixes, in case that didn't get through already.
20120505 07:22:04< worduk> I've got to take my meds and sleep now
20120505 07:22:18< worduk> It's 7:22 am here
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20120505 09:44:40< mordante> servus
20120505 09:49:31< vultraz> hey
20120505 09:50:55< mordante> hi vultraz 
20120505 09:53:13< vultraz> BTW, are you working on improving the listboxes or something?
20120505 09:53:37< mordante> yes
20120505 09:54:16< vultraz> ahh nice :D
20120505 09:54:50< mordante> would be if this iteration works ;-)
20120505 09:54:54< Akihara> hi mordante :)
20120505 09:55:01< mordante> hi Akihara 
20120505 09:55:20< Ivanovic> moin
20120505 09:55:26< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
20120505 09:55:37< mordante> Akihara, how are you doing?
20120505 09:56:03< Akihara> mordante: fine :) and you?
20120505 09:56:15< mordante> Akihara, fine as well
20120505 09:57:04< vultraz> mordante: just wondering, but how are they getting improved?
20120505 09:58:04< mordante> Akihara, any luck with some patches (saw you were hit by the AI bug as well)
20120505 09:58:13< Akihara> yeah
20120505 09:58:21< mordante> nice
20120505 09:58:50< Akihara> I searched were the bug came from, and it's back now :)
20120505 09:59:00< mordante> vultraz, adding filtering, sorting, add remove items, and make them in general behave a bit nicer
20120505 09:59:05< Akihara> and i submitted my patch for the poisonning stuff
20120505 09:59:23< mordante> the bug is back?
20120505 09:59:26< Akihara> no
20120505 09:59:41< Akihara> it's okay :P 
20120505 09:59:54< Akihara> the AI came back :P
20120505 09:59:59< mordante> ah good, I just read in the log it was solved... but haven't finished the log yet
20120505 10:00:28< vultraz> mordante: oooo then I'm definitely putting off completing my GUI2 inventory until 1.11 :D 
20120505 10:00:51< mordante> Akihara, will have a look at your patch after finishing the log
20120505 10:01:16< mordante> vultraz, better wait until this version is a success ;-) but filtering and sorting is already there
20120505 10:01:45< vultraz> niice
20120505 10:04:10< Akihara> mordante: okay :) i was just thinking of making some things written here http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Practical_Guide_to_Modifying_AI_Behavior#Ideas_for_Potentially_Easy_AI_Patches
20120505 10:05:14< mordante> OpposingFranz it seems the new pane.cpp isn't added to MSVC
20120505 10:13:16< mordante> Akihara, feel free to do more patches if you want to, you can also start on your GSoC project
20120505 10:14:08< mordante> Akihara, I had a look at your patch and a question why + 1 and not some other value?
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20120505 10:34:09< shadowm> loonycyborg: Do you think this could be that wild exception issue with the add-ons client code that someone spotted before? https://gna.org/bugs/?19687
20120505 10:34:15< shadowm> s/wild/unhandled/
20120505 10:35:00< worduk> I've tried to reproduce it but failed
20120505 10:35:04< shadowm> fabi: should I assign this to you? https://gna.org/bugs/?19682
20120505 10:35:42< shadowm> mordante: should I add this to your kilometric to-do list? https://gna.org/bugs/?19704
20120505 10:35:55< shadowm> (pretty minor, if you ask me)
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20120505 10:39:46< shadowm> Again, what should we do with android-specific bugs like this? Just mark as Invalid? https://gna.org/bugs/?19673
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20120505 10:41:39< Ivanovic> i'd say: mark invalid and add a comment to please report it in the android issues thread <link>
20120505 10:42:56< shadowm> I guess that's the most official location for those...
20120505 10:43:09< Ivanovic> exactly
20120505 10:44:23< mordante> shadowm, feel free to do so, but it will be low on my priority list
20120505 10:49:30< Akihara> mordante: +1 is a sort of default value
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20120505 10:52:39< OpposingFranz> hi
20120505 10:53:46< OpposingFranz> I got the current svn to build an run (as far as I needed to) on W7-64 (32-bit build though) with VC 10.
20120505 10:53:58< Akihara> I looked at values during a game :) and +1 seems to be a good approach... unit who isn't poisoned will have priority, but we need to keep a good approach of unit situation. Some of them can be in a very bad situation for the attacker :)
20120505 10:55:24< boucman> Akihara: do you know if we still have some auto-test ai platform where we could compare the result of differnt values ?
20120505 10:58:40< Akihara> boucman: i don't really understand your question... the result of different values?
20120505 11:00:33< boucman> yes, try with +1 +2 +3 and try to find the best value by making different AI fight each other
20120505 11:01:39< Akihara> boucman: oh yes! hmmm i don't think we have such platform... but i was thinking to making one for my GSoC project
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20120505 11:02:42< boucman> crab had one at some point...
20120505 11:03:34< OpposingFranz> The credits screen has some jitter, caused by the "disp.delay(20)" (that _always_ adds 20 ms after each frame) in "about.cpp". What really needs to happen (to get both a uniform scroll speed and no flicker/jitter, across different strength computers) is that a similar mechanism to that in display::draw_wrap be put in there.
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20120505 11:03:53< Akihara> i know, but i dont know if AI can fight each others
20120505 11:04:36< boucman> they can, and if you start themp from the command line without gui you can automate everything with shell scripts
20120505 11:05:37< Ivanovic> Akihara: crab_ once upon the time did some batched AI testing
20120505 11:05:44< Ivanovic> so scripting and mass testing is possible
20120505 11:06:05< Ivanovic> you should probably ask him how exactly he achieved this, but it should be possible
20120505 11:06:28< mordante> Akihara, ok. the only two remarks I have is the missing changelog entry and I would name the variable something like is_poisoned_before_attack, making it clearer what the value means. Especially since the function it's used in is huge
20120505 11:06:28< shadowm> OpposingFranz: could you report this as a bug and include your proposal there? (unless you want to write an actual patch; in that case, submit it to the patch tracker)
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20120505 11:07:11< OpposingFranz> I'll write a patch
20120505 11:07:16< mordante> OpposingFranz it seems the new pane.cpp isn't added to MSVC also not sure about viewport.cpp
20120505 11:07:16< shadowm> OpposingFranz: and this probably applies to the storyscreen code as well.
20120505 11:07:20< Akihara> mordante: ok, i will change that (and last time i forgot the changelog >> )
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20120505 11:07:33< shadowm> (But that's a ridiculously embarassing piece of crap I wrote years ago.)
20120505 11:08:40< mordante> Akihara, and I would also encourage you to look in crab_'s testing framework, it will help you during GSoC as well
20120505 11:09:02< OpposingFranz> well, I guess it should be unified, but for now I'll just fix this one thing, and then see what other little things I may help with.
20120505 11:09:46< OpposingFranz> mordante: Yeah, I got that a few hours ago
20120505 11:11:23< OpposingFranz> So someone can update the Wiki page (and I guess the solution first) that says "worked last in July 2011" at least for VC10 (if you trust my claim that I got it to work :-), for VC9 I wouldn't be so sure. Plus perhaps at some point someone wants to try it with VC11beta. 
20120505 11:12:40< OpposingFranz> I also had to remove the OpenMP setting to get it to work with VC10 express. Not sure yet how/if this affects the game, but I did read some OpenMP comments after I had got it to work.
20120505 11:12:53< shadowm> OpposingFranz: How about you update it yourself? :p
20120505 11:13:03< OpposingFranz> Do I have access?
20120505 11:13:11< shadowm> Everyone does as long as they register an account.
20120505 11:13:18< OpposingFranz> ah, okay, then I'll do that.
20120505 11:14:17< shadowm> Disabling OpenMP isn't that important at the moment. It's an optional framework that can be used to perform some operations in multiple threads to speed up things a bit, but it's not really been widely tested.
20120505 11:14:26< shadowm> (Except on Mac OS X, where it crashed all the time.)
20120505 11:14:53< Ivanovic> regarding openmp support: boucman, what is the latest status of this feature?
20120505 11:15:06< Ivanovic> how stable is it supposed to be and should it be activated by default or not?
20120505 11:15:19< Ivanovic> especially talking about recommendations for packagers and the default setup in our build systems
20120505 11:15:25< shadowm> ("Where it crashed all the time.")
20120505 11:15:27< boucman> it works, but it's not used heavily yet, we need to find more places in code where it makes sense to use it
20120505 11:15:44< boucman> AI was a candidate, but i don't think it was actually done
20120505 11:15:58< boucman> I havn't had any bugreport on it for quite some time
20120505 11:16:22< Ivanovic> boucman: since we got a particle engine project, would it make sense to use it there for the animation related stuff?
20120505 11:16:48< boucman> well, we already use it in the animation stuff to paralelize invalidation
20120505 11:16:49< shadowm> Never mind. The Debian package enables OMP by dfault
20120505 11:16:55< shadowm> I need a new laptop.
20120505 11:17:02< boucman> using it for paralelizing drawing is tricky since order is critical...
20120505 11:17:24< OpposingFranz> lol, okay, I'll add a comment on the "building for windows" wiki page for those who have just express (I'm assuming for now that it'll work with a full version, but I only have the VC11 beta, for which there are no packaged libs yet. One thing at a time...
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20120505 11:19:01< OpposingFranz> BTW shadowm: I'd be worried if you weren't embarrassed by most of what you wrote years ago ;-) I know I am (not of yours, but, ah, never mind)
20120505 11:19:24< shadowm> Yeah, I understand the principle.
20120505 11:21:20< shadowm> I tend to suspect things would be much simpler if the storyscreen stuff in general were rewritten in GUI2. The only thing that (AFAICT) isn't portable to GUI2 at the moment is the silly transition effect used for text.
20120505 11:21:54< shadowm> And maybe the whole fixed layout business.
20120505 11:22:16< shadowm> But as far as I am concerned the transition effect is stupid and can be eliminated once and for all.
20120505 11:23:08< shadowm> It's just a pointless waste of precious CPU time.
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20120505 11:42:55< loonycyborg> shadowm: Who knows? Though I'm not sure how he managed to download addons after a disconnect..
20120505 11:43:46< shadowm> The add-ons manager dialog won't close if the client connection breaks while it's active, I think, since it has no way to be notified of that.
20120505 11:44:21< shadowm> So presumably he got an error after picking an item to download with the dead socket.
20120505 11:45:58< shadowm> (And even if there was a way for notifying the main thread that the socket died without polling it, I don't currently have a way to inject such a handler to a generic GUI1 gui::dialog, I think. Not sure. (I read Sapient say something on the matter int he forums a few days ago, I think.))
20120505 11:48:10< shadowm> Okay, looks like there _is_ a way: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=526961#p526961
20120505 11:48:52< shadowm> Assuming that isn't a thing that only works in-game.
20120505 11:52:39< loonycyborg> Actually there's no way for the socket to die on client due to disconnection. It should wait indefinitely.
20120505 11:52:54< loonycyborg> Though addon server probably can time out.
20120505 11:52:56< shadowm> That's even worse..
20120505 11:53:27< loonycyborg> shadowm: Not really. There's the Cancel button.
20120505 11:53:46< shadowm> That's not what this "user experience" thing is about.
20120505 11:53:53< shadowm> That's just terrible design.
20120505 11:54:30< shadowm> I guess alternatively I could just have the client reconnect every time, but that's not really good for me either as a user.
20120505 11:54:35< loonycyborg> After addon server times out, it'll send RST once client will try to send anything.
20120505 11:54:42< shadowm> This high latency connection comes with very long connection waits.
20120505 11:54:47< loonycyborg> If the connection gets reestablished.
20120505 11:55:30< shadowm> And will it try to reconnect on its own?
20120505 11:56:07< loonycyborg> The client should just get a read error if the socket gets an RST.
20120505 11:57:17< shadowm> It's really hard to type with a broken E key.
20120505 11:57:42< shadowm> So the thing is the add-ons client network code isn't very good at handling plain old problems.
20120505 11:57:55< shadowm> Notice that the server can be the one going down instead of merely the client-server link.
20120505 11:58:24< shadowm> i.e. Good old wesnoth.org shutting down at unscheduled times.
20120505 11:58:41< loonycyborg> shadowm: Anyway, about the indefinite wait thing: I can either enable TCP keepalive or send pings..
20120505 11:58:45< shadowm> In that case the client will just sit idle?
20120505 11:59:08< shadowm> Right. Just remember I don't understand much about networking internals.
20120505 12:00:38< shadowm> Completely unrelated thing: maybe the add-ons client code should move in a direction that allows it to keep an offline copy of the add-ons list from the server.
20120505 12:01:18< loonycyborg> And make addon server send diffs? :P
20120505 12:01:22< shadowm> That would simplify some things; e.g. allowing the user to do everything there's to do with add-ons from the same place, without requiring a network connection for removing add-ons  in particular.
20120505 12:01:42< shadowm> *simplify some things user interface-wise
20120505 12:02:00< loonycyborg> Sounds like a sane idea.
20120505 12:02:29< shadowm> Not sure about the add-ons server sending diffs. That'd require it to either keep a lot of state, or having the client send its copy of the list to it every time for comparison.
20120505 12:02:49< shadowm> And we obviously don't want the add-ons server to keep too much state beyond the essential for the mission.
20120505 12:03:28< loonycyborg> It can assign hashes to individual versions of the list like git :P
20120505 12:04:26< shadowm> I am not taking those pesky upload/download counts into account for some reason.
20120505 12:04:55< shadowm> In the best case (i.e. no add-ons deleted or uploaded since the last pull), those counters are too likely to have changed.
20120505 12:06:17< shadowm> Then again I'm mixing this up in my head with a more questionable idea involving the add-ons server list being fetched in the background during the titlescreen, which is both technically unfeasible at this point and would create a lot of drama.
20120505 12:06:52< shadowm> "Wesnoth is connecting to the internet without my permission" and other stuff like that.
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20120505 12:29:32< OpposingFranz> shadowm: when you say technically infeasible, do you mean networking-wise, or background-wise?
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20120505 12:30:39< shadowm> I mean that I don't think it can be done atm in a very convenient fashion without having the titlescreen gui22 code do something special.
20120505 12:31:36< OpposingFranz> ok
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20120505 12:34:15< OpposingFranz> cause I was thinking about making the title screen come up faster, deferring some loading work. And putting whatever mechanisms in place that are necessary.
20120505 12:34:38< OpposingFranz> Simply because I wanted to get the credits screen up faster ;-)
20120505 12:36:00< OpposingFranz> Of course I'm just getting acquainted with the whole project; it may be a little more than I can chew right now, I have no way of telling. I also have no idea if I'd be stepping on everyone's toes given "gui2"
20120505 12:37:43< OpposingFranz> But for starters perhaps I could make the progress bar more accurate.
20120505 12:38:40< shadowm> I think the progress bar isn't accurate on purpose; i.e. to avoid wasting time gathering data and calculating its parameters instead of loading data immediately.
20120505 12:39:19< shadowm> In my experience things like counting the amount of files in a directory tree can be really expensive given an (in)adequate filesystem and storage medium.
20120505 12:40:32< OpposingFranz> well, I was thinking on a slightly simpler level:
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20120505 12:41:05< OpposingFranz> for each major block, remember how long it took last time, so assume that next time the relative times will be about the same.
20120505 12:41:30< Crab_> Hello
20120505 12:41:39< OpposingFranz> maybe "accurate" is not the right word, but "regular"
20120505 12:42:08< shadowm> Well, the progress bar doesn't work in terms of time, I think.
20120505 12:42:18< OpposingFranz> because counting files etc. will depend heavily on the user's machine
20120505 12:42:55< shadowm> Okay, looks like it does.
20120505 12:43:09< OpposingFranz> well, I guess first we need to define exactly what the progress bar should show.
20120505 12:43:39< OpposingFranz> For me, when it's half way full, the total task should be about half-way done, time-wise.
20120505 12:44:06< shadowm> Yeah, it works in a seemingly arbitrary way at the moment.
20120505 12:45:12< OpposingFranz> well, it looks like the major tasks get assigned some values relative to each other (I haven't looked at the code, this is just my observation as a user) and within that, progress is fairly linear (I guess perhaps except at the end).
20120505 12:46:32< OpposingFranz> but one thing at a time; I'll do the jumping credits for now.
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20120505 13:00:43< Ivanovic> Crab_: you saw in the logs that Akihara wants to do some ai batch testing?
20120505 13:00:59< Ivanovic> Crab_: is the stuff you created for this documented somewhere in the wiki?
20120505 13:01:27< Crab_> Ivanovic: haven't checked the logs yet
20120505 13:02:29< Crab_> Ivanovic: there're some docs in the source, http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/trunk/utils/ai_test/readme.txt
20120505 13:03:26< Crab_> but they're about deploying both batch testing script and web frontend; for the batch testing script, there're no docs, but the script itself is really small
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20120505 13:57:51< jamit> Is there a way to check out the 1.10 branch without having it download all the music files? (It would cut down on the download time and space requirements.)
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20120505 14:27:59< Ivanovic> jamit: no
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20120505 14:40:14< Unnheulu> Why is the UMC eclipse plugin telling me "There was an error running the ant job"?
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20120505 14:43:47< Unnheulu> It says that every time I try to save the project
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20120505 14:44:10< Ivanovic> ant is some java related tool/technology
20120505 14:44:19< Ivanovic> no idea what exactly it does and is supposed to do
20120505 14:44:42< Ivanovic> and no idea why eclipse stumbles upon it during saving in the eclipse umc plugin
20120505 14:45:02< Ivanovic> that is: wait a little for timotei and/or post about it on the forums
20120505 14:45:30< Unnheulu> Ok, thanks
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20120505 15:26:03< OpposingFranz> where do I find the umc plugin, maybe I can help?
20120505 15:26:15< OpposingFranz> Ant is like make, BTW.
20120505 15:26:44< Crab_> OpposingFranz: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/trunk/utils/umc_dev/
20120505 15:27:14< Crab_> and ping timotei about it, he might be able to answer questions about it
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20120505 15:42:56< Ayne> i'm having issues getting wesnoth to run on my opensuse laptop. it can't find any images even though it installed correctly. any one got an idea what the problem could be?
20120505 15:43:46< OpposingFranz> ok, still a  lot of red in my Eclipse from the xtext stuff; I'll ask later. Oh, and Unnheulu is gone anyway. But I may as well find out about UMC
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20120505 15:46:08< OpposingFranz> Ok, got something:
20120505 15:46:22< loonycyborg> Ayne: Does it fail at startup or you just don't get some images?
20120505 15:46:36< Ayne> it starts up, but i dont get any images at all
20120505 15:46:49< loonycyborg> Any errors on stdout?
20120505 15:47:24< loonycyborg> That seems like SDL_image is compiled without support for image format wesnoth uses.
20120505 15:47:35< loonycyborg> *formats
20120505 15:47:58< OpposingFranz> When you save in Eclipse, you usually "autobuild". in UMC, this calls WesnothProjectBuilder.build(), which in turn calls "rn
20120505 15:48:06< OpposingFranz> "runAntjob".
20120505 15:48:19< jamit> Ivanovic: Thanks for the answer. Nothing against the music, just that it's big and the checkout could be just for backporting code changes. Ah well, a little waiting doesn't hurt. :)
20120505 15:48:22< Ayne> when i run it from the console i get a bunch of "error display: could not open image" and "error gui/draw: image: 'imagepath/name.png' not found and won't be drawn"
20120505 15:49:19< loonycyborg> Ehh. That's something weird. If that was due to missing datadir then it would fail at startup.
20120505 15:49:37< loonycyborg> Maybe your distro has images in separate package or something.
20120505 15:50:46< Ayne> it's the first time i'm working with opensuse.. i usually use ubuntu and had no issues there, but ubuntu doesn't run on this slightly elderly laptop
20120505 15:51:20< OpposingFranz> the log should give a hint as to exactly went wrong.  It'd help me and/or timotei to debug the issue. So in case Unnheulu comes back, ask him to provide logs. the log can usually be found in the .metadata dir of the workspace directory.
20120505 15:54:01< Crab_> Ayne: note that you don't need to install wesnoth if you want to develop something, you can just compile your own sources and run from them without installing. Also, a good thing would be to check the console output for the data dir location and then check if the images are indeed physically present on disk.
20120505 15:57:56< Ayne> got it to work now, when i first installed all the libraries it showed me an outdated list, so i was missing some or had a too old version
20120505 15:58:03< Ayne> thanks guys :)
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20120505 17:54:09< fabi_> shadowm: yes, already took the FR, thanks
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20120505 18:02:26< anonymissimus> shadowm: I guess I was mistaken about that tool; is its purpose to spellcheck the *translated* strings (as opposed to the untranslated ones checked by wmllint)
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20120505 19:39:09< CIA-22> jamit * r54098 /branches/1.10/src/ (config.cpp filesystem.cpp): Replacing r54091 with a fix more suitable for the stable branch.
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20120505 20:54:31< shadowm> anonymissimus: that's what I meant.
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20120505 20:54:40< Elvish_Hunter> Hi all
20120505 20:54:51< Espreon> Elvish_Hunter: Oh, hello there.
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20120505 20:57:04< shadowm> we still need a more optimal fix for the cache invalidation issue both in trunk and 1.10.
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20120505 21:03:36 * anonymissimus just successfully launched the test scenario under the VC9 and VC10 debugger with his new hardware; what a great relief :)
20120505 21:04:26< anonymissimus> Elvish_Hunter: could you please have a look at that lua bug reported ?
20120505 21:13:12< vultraz> hey Elvish_Hunter 
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20120505 21:15:38< Elvish_Hunter> vultraz: hi!
20120505 21:18:45 * vultraz tries to think of a lua question
20120505 21:21:16< shadowm> ugh
20120505 21:21:30< shadowm> s/cache issue/cache crash/
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20120505 23:04:23< OpposingFranz> anonymissimus: I got it working fine
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