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I'm going to ignore the excessively wide text area since fixing that would require fixing the infinite blur bug first.) 20120518 08:36:25-!- EdB [~edb@tss37-1-89-82-194-231.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20120518 08:37:54-!- EdB_ [~edb@tss37-1-89-82-194-231.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 20120518 08:39:48-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@dtmd-4db23617.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Changing host] 20120518 08:39:48-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 08:48:57-!- Crendgrim [~crend@77-22-112-72-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 08:53:57< CIA-61> ivanovic * r54196 /trunk/ (data/core/about.cfg po/wesnoth-units/ru.po): updated Russian translation 20120518 08:53:57< CIA-61> ivanovic * r54197 /branches/1.10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): updated Russian translation 20120518 09:08:28-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [] 20120518 09:14:58-!- vultraz_laptop_ [~chatzilla@124.109.10.221] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 09:15:14-!- vultraz_laptop [~chatzilla@124.109.10.221] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20120518 09:15:22-!- vultraz_laptop_ is now known as vultraz_laptop 20120518 10:04:14-!- [Relic] [~relic@99-58-54-211.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20120518 10:06:53-!- mjs-de [~mjs-de@e182032118.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 10:29:53-!- fabi [~fabi@88-134-8-215-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 10:29:53-!- fabi [~fabi@88-134-8-215-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Changing host] 20120518 10:29:53-!- fabi [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 10:31:12-!- _vdn [~nazgul-sa@ppp91-77-229-101.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20120518 10:33:15-!- fendrin_ [~fabi@88-134-8-215-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20120518 10:34:18-!- Gallaecio [~quassel@135.152.60.213.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 10:39:16-!- fabi_ [~fabi@88-134-8-215-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 10:39:17-!- fabi_ [~fabi@88-134-8-215-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Changing host] 20120518 10:39:17-!- fabi_ [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 10:40:07-!- the_new_lipk [~lipk@host-91-147-212-174.biatv.hu] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 10:40:42-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@ppp59-167-222-56.qld.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 10:42:40-!- fabi [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20120518 10:48:15-!- Johannes13 [~Johannes@unaffiliated/johannes13] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 11:01:34-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20120518 11:01:51< Ivanovic> AI0867, crimson_penguin, elias, Espreon, esr, fabi_, happygrue, loonycyborg, Rhonda, shadowm, Soliton, zookeeper, everyone else who cares: ready for 1.10.3? 20120518 11:04:00< shadowm> don't care atm 20120518 11:05:40-!- loonybot [~loonybot@ppp79-139-201-17.pppoe.spdop.ru] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 11:05:40-!- loonybot [~loonybot@ppp79-139-201-17.pppoe.spdop.ru] has quit [Changing host] 20120518 11:05:40-!- loonybot [~loonybot@wesnoth/bot/loonybot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 11:09:33< shadowm> Okay, I don't know if I'm missing something ridiculously obvious or I'm forgetting my C++. 20120518 11:10:07< shadowm> I don't see any copy constructor declared for the animated class (animated.hpp). 20120518 11:10:32< shadowm> Then how can game_display.cpp:124 be valid at all? 20120518 11:12:25< shadowm> There's no operator declared that'd allow an implicit conversion to const std::vector either. 20120518 11:15:38< CIA-61> ivanovic * r54198 /branches/1.10/ (160 files in 27 dirs): 20120518 11:15:38< CIA-61> pot-update (reference update only, no new/change strings; prepare for 1.10.3) 20120518 11:15:38< CIA-61> regenerated doc files 20120518 11:20:24-!- fabi_ [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20120518 11:24:49< the_new_lipk> shadowm: that line's pushing an animated element to a vector > container... 20120518 11:25:17< shadowm> Yes, I know. 20120518 11:25:59< the_new_lipk> and there's an auto-defined copy constructor, is there not? 20120518 11:26:00< shadowm> But how is that actually implemented if the sequence's type does not define a copy constructor? 20120518 11:26:03< shadowm> Oh? 20120518 11:26:19< the_new_lipk> I think copy constructors are autodefined. 20120518 11:26:25< shadowm> Eh, I thought copy constructors only existed by default when one didn't define any constructors at all. 20120518 11:28:17< shadowm> Okay, seems only default constructors don't exist by omission when other constructors are manually defined. 20120518 11:29:32< shadowm> This is rather embarassing. 20120518 11:29:38-!- loonybot [~loonybot@wesnoth/bot/loonybot] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20120518 11:29:42< the_new_lipk> :) 20120518 11:29:49-!- loonybot [~loonybot@wesnoth/bot/loonybot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 11:32:19< shadowm> Of course this realization doesn't help me much since I still have to deal with a vector and no way to make an animated<...> transform itself to mimick another animated<...>... 20120518 11:32:44< shadowm> And I really don't want to figure out how animated<...> works. 20120518 11:35:06< the_new_lipk> by the way, what the heck does animated.i do? 20120518 11:35:21< the_new_lipk> I mean, why it is not a .cpp? 20120518 11:36:09< shadowm> Because it needs to be included in other files rather than compiled stand-alone, I think. 20120518 11:39:34< shadowm> Okay, it seems like it should be safe to just turn flags_ into a deque, although I can't understand the point of the vector's reserve() call during initialization. It's populated with items immediately afterwards and never changes size ever again. 20120518 11:40:35< shadowm> And this is all done during display initialization... preallocating memory for this case doesn't seem like an important optimization by any means. 20120518 11:42:58< shadowm> Who knew #18454 could be so hard to implement. 20120518 11:42:58< Espreon> Ivanovic: I'd like a few hours. 20120518 11:43:11< Espreon> ... at least. 20120518 11:43:12< Ivanovic> Espreon: uhm, i am about to bump the version 20120518 11:43:17< Espreon> ... 20120518 11:43:18< Espreon> ... 20120518 11:43:19< Espreon> ... 20120518 11:43:27< Espreon> No... 20120518 11:43:32< Ivanovic> you know that i pinged you a week in advance so that you can actually commit your stuff, not wait till the last minuite? 20120518 11:43:54< shadowm> (Not to mention the topic.) 20120518 11:43:55< Espreon> I only received translation updates a few hours ago and I just got up. 20120518 11:44:00< Ivanovic> and in my mail i explicitly mentioned that i plan to release today around lunchtime 20120518 11:44:27< Ivanovic> " 20120518 11:44:29< Ivanovic> @translators: If you want to be sure that your changes are included, please make 20120518 11:44:30< Ivanovic> sure to send them in till thursday evening. 20120518 11:44:39< Espreon> Whatever. 20120518 11:44:46< Ivanovic> and yeah, there i always apply european times 20120518 11:45:05< Ivanovic> so those translations will most likely be the first ones for 1.10.3+svn 20120518 11:45:15< Espreon> I don't know why you can't do it in the afternoon. 20120518 11:45:20< Ivanovic> since in some hours i got friends coming over making me not release anything 20120518 11:45:44< Ivanovic> and i need the time in between to create the package and upload stuff 20120518 11:45:59< Espreon> Give me like... forty-five minutes if possible. If not, whatever. 20120518 11:46:07< Ivanovic> okay, 45min should be possible 20120518 11:46:11< Espreon> Thanks. 20120518 11:46:12< Ivanovic> i'll bump the version right now anyway 20120518 11:46:47< CIA-61> ivanovic * r54199 /branches/1.10/ (changelog players_changelog src/wesconfig.h): bump version to 1.10.3 (but waiting ~45min more for Espreon) 20120518 11:49:02< shadowm> 07:27:45 sadly ubuntu does not offer (major) updates of software without you upgrading to a more recent ubuntu 20120518 11:49:11< shadowm> Ivanovic: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid-backports/games/wesnoth-1.10 20120518 11:49:29< shadowm> That is for 10.04 (the 2010 April LTS). 20120518 11:49:32< Ivanovic> shadowm: but backports are not active in the default package source list, right? 20120518 11:49:42< Ivanovic> so you need to basically add the extra repo first 20120518 11:49:56< shadowm> That isn't a huge chore from what I remember. 20120518 11:50:44< shadowm> i.e. can be done with a few clicks, no manual config editing involved. 20120518 11:56:42-!- vcap_ [~vcap@AReims-551-1-59-85.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 11:57:51< CIA-61> espreon * r54200 /branches/1.10/ (changelog players_changelog po/wesnoth-l/la.po): Updated the Latin translation. 20120518 11:58:02< Espreon> Ivanovic: And I have more coming up, so... yeah. 20120518 11:58:04-!- vcap [~vcap@AReims-551-1-19-30.w90-58.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20120518 12:05:31-!- stikonas [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 12:16:26< CIA-61> espreon * r54201 /branches/1.10/ (40 files in 25 dirs): Updated the Old English translation. 20120518 12:18:38-!- horon [~horon@nttkyo216070.tkyo.nt.ngn2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 12:20:00< Espreon> Ivanovic: You can tag now. 20120518 12:20:01< Espreon> Thanks. 20120518 12:20:05< Ivanovic> okay 20120518 12:27:21< CIA-61> espreon * r54202 /trunk/po/ (26 files in 23 dirs): Updated the Old English translation. 20120518 12:28:17< CIA-61> espreon * r54203 /trunk/po/wesnoth-l/la.po: Updated the Latin translation. 20120518 12:50:25-!- vultraz_laptop [~chatzilla@124.109.10.221] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20120518 12:51:02-!- vultraz_laptop [~chatzilla@124.109.10.221] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 12:57:34< CIA-61> ivanovic * r54204 /branches/1.10/ (48 files in 27 dirs): a last pot-update before 1.10.3 to ensure that Espreons updates work as expected 20120518 12:57:49-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: releasing 1.10.3, using r54204 | 172 bugs, 334 feature requests, 16 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! 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Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org 20120518 14:26:58-!- Crab_ [Crab_@wesnoth/developer/crab] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 14:41:41-!- Gallaecio [~quassel@135.152.60.213.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20120518 14:52:20-!- loonybot [~loonybot@wesnoth/bot/loonybot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20120518 15:07:10-!- artisticdude [~artisticd@vsat-148-64-186-230.c005.g4.mrt.starband.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 15:14:36-!- oldtopman [~oldtopman@unaffiliated/oldtopman] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 15:15:44-!- negusnyul [~negusnyul@1F2E9B75.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 15:20:08-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 15:22:55-!- loonybot [~loonybot@46.138.93.65] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 15:22:55-!- loonybot [~loonybot@46.138.93.65] has quit [Changing host] 20120518 15:22:55-!- loonybot [~loonybot@wesnoth/bot/loonybot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 15:39:15-!- Ayne [~Ayne@cpc2-sgyl34-2-0-cust493.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 15:39:42-!- the_new_lipk [~lipk@host-91-147-212-174.biatv.hu] has quit [Quit: Távozom] 20120518 15:44:44-!- Ayne [~Ayne@cpc2-sgyl34-2-0-cust493.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20120518 15:46:51-!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: negusnyul, happygrue, trademark 20120518 15:47:52-!- Netsplit over, joins: happygrue, negusnyul 20120518 16:00:53-!- trademark [~trademark@mon69-1-82-67-23-185.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 16:14:30-!- molgrum [~molgrum@h-189-21.a189.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 16:19:11-!- mattsc [~mattsc@fw.hia.nrc.ca] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 16:22:43-!- MeccaGod [majs@host189-199.bornet.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 16:24:03-!- the_new_lipk [~lipk@host-91-147-212-174.biatv.hu] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 16:31:13< the_new_lipk> Ivanovic? 20120518 16:31:25< Ivanovic> what's up? 20120518 16:31:47< the_new_lipk> I've just got your mail, and I'm wondering about something 20120518 16:32:33< the_new_lipk> you use several addresses in the "to" field, instead of "secret" copies, or how do you call it in English 20120518 16:32:57< the_new_lipk> I'm not really upset about it, I just believed that this is... hmmm... impolite 20120518 16:33:25< the_new_lipk> that you're giving away the addresses of the packagers to other packagers 20120518 16:34:01< the_new_lipk> *"secret" copies -> "secret copies" 20120518 16:35:37< zookeeper> secret copies == blind carbon copy == bcc 20120518 16:35:47< the_new_lipk> thanks :) 20120518 16:35:49< Ivanovic> the_new_lipk: yeah, and? 20120518 16:36:13< Ivanovic> the_new_lipk: the packagers, at least most of them, are also listed in the wiki under the "what to do to release" section 20120518 16:38:11< the_new_lipk> okay, it doesn't concern me, just as I said, I think that this doesn't comply with common netiquette 20120518 16:49:36< Ivanovic> @everyone: i just closed all bug reports marked as fixed without cross checking if they were only fixed in trunk or also in 1.10.x 20120518 16:49:45< Ivanovic> just that you are aware of this 20120518 16:49:54< Ivanovic> this way the tracker at least feels a little more cleaned up... 20120518 16:51:04< Ivanovic> AI0867, Crab_, crimson_penguin, elias, Espreon, Espreon, happygrue, loonycyborg, Rhonda, shadowm, Soliton, zookeeper, everyone else who cares: what do you think of the first 1.11.x release next week saturday? 20120518 16:51:22< Crab_> ok for me 20120518 16:59:10< Espreon> I'm indifferent... at the moment... 20120518 17:02:36< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: 1.10.3 windows installer is uploaded. 20120518 17:05:50-!- horon [~horon@nttkyo216070.tkyo.nt.ngn2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 20120518 17:08:00-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@ppp59-167-222-56.qld.adsl.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20120518 17:09:00-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@ppp59-167-222-56.qld.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 17:16:02-!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Appleman1234 20120518 17:16:28-!- Netsplit over, joins: Appleman1234 20120518 17:23:10-!- negusnyul_ [~negusnyul@54008F2A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 17:23:35-!- negusnyul [~negusnyul@1F2E9B75.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20120518 17:28:54< AI0867> wesbot: seen brilliand 20120518 17:28:55< wesbot> AI0867: Person, who 23d 7h ago used nick Brilliand, last spoke 19d 1h ago. 19d ago as Brilliand1 person left: 20120518 17:29:17< AI0867> Ivanovic: I still have to unfix one of the bugs you just closed 20120518 17:29:36< AI0867> I'd like to involve the author of the misbug's fix 20120518 17:40:38-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@ppp59-167-222-56.qld.adsl.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20120518 17:41:04-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@ppp59-167-222-56.qld.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 17:50:49< Ivanovic> AI0867: then unfix 20120518 17:51:48-!- Gallaecio [~quassel@135.152.60.213.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 17:59:04-!- anonymissimus [~chatzilla@HSI-KBW-078-042-163-105.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 17:59:53-!- crimson_penguin [~ben@wesnoth/developer/crimsonpenguin] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20120518 18:01:16< anonymissimus> Ivanovic: regarding a 1.11 release, there are some things related to fendrin's map changes which I consider blockers that haven't been dealt with yet 20120518 18:03:21< anonymissimus> in particular, this one: http://gna.org/bugs/index.php?19504 20120518 18:03:45< anonymissimus> since once a release is made we can no longer easily change wml syntax since existing wml may depend on it 20120518 18:06:10< anonymissimus> shadowm: do you have the map loading syntax still somewhere (the one which makes the new map style compatible with #ifver); so I don't need to search so much :) 20120518 18:06:41< anonymissimus> the one that you suggested 20120518 18:09:33-!- the_new_lipk [~lipk@host-91-147-212-174.biatv.hu] has quit [Quit: Távozom] 20120518 18:15:30< anonymissimus> since the trunk map editor forcefully converts maps to the new format, and the conversion script isn't ready, we have now a mixture of map formats in trunk which is of course unfortunate 20120518 18:41:23-!- crimson_penguin [~ben@wesnoth/developer/crimsonpenguin] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 18:59:35-!- neofutur [~neofutur@mtgox/staff/pdpc.student.ne0futur] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 18:59:37< neofutur> hi all 20120518 18:59:45< neofutur> I have a "please report"error message: 20120518 19:00:14< neofutur> "mandatory WML child missing yet untested for, please report" 20120518 19:00:39< neofutur> on trying to reload a stuck/saved "deep shrine"game on multiplayer 20120518 19:00:56< neofutur> I can upload the savedgame if needed 20120518 19:02:42-!- negusnyul__ [~negusnyul@2E6B65AF.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 19:03:27< Crab_> neofutur: hello 20120518 19:03:44< Crab_> neofutur: please upload this save, yes 20120518 19:04:08< Crab_> the best place is https://gna.org/patch/?func=additem&group=wesnoth 20120518 19:04:54< Crab_> that way, there's a chance someone would take a look at it, sooner or later 20120518 19:04:58< Crab_> and thanks for doing that) 20120518 19:05:35-!- negusnyul_ [~negusnyul@54008F2A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20120518 19:07:17-!- worduk_ [~jon@77.76.205.90] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 19:08:26< neofutur> Crab_: http://xena.ww7.be/3p_-_Deep_Shrine_Turn_10.gz 20120518 19:08:37< neofutur> Crab_: thanks to you for accepting reports on irc ;) 20120518 19:08:39< Crab_> neofutur: thanks 20120518 19:08:54< neofutur> faster for the user than the bigreporting tool ;) 20120518 19:09:40< Crab_> )) 20120518 19:11:34< anonymissimus> neofutur: ummm...the odds it'll actually be worked on if juts dumping it in IRC are low however 20120518 19:11:36< Crab_> neofutur: that's what wesnoth version? 20120518 19:11:43< neofutur> strange i could load the file as a local game 20120518 19:11:48< Crab_> anonymissimus: I'm making a bug out of it right now 20120518 19:11:54< anonymissimus> okay 20120518 19:11:55< neofutur> have the erroronly if i try to load it on multiplayer 20120518 19:11:57< neofutur> 1.10 20120518 19:12:05< Crab_> thanks 20120518 19:13:14< Crab_> and what operating system? 20120518 19:14:43< neofutur> linux 20120518 19:15:03< anonymissimus> Crab_: not a wesnoth question...I'm checking out testing a VC9 MFC project under wine and wine under valgrind on ubuntu 12.04 64bit....any tips ? :P 20120518 19:15:06< Crab_> thanks. now it looks like https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?19742 20120518 19:15:08< neofutur> but the bug was probably before saving game, AI was stuck 20120518 19:15:35< Crab_> how? stuck doing nothing? or stuck repeating something? 20120518 19:15:36< neofutur> eh thanks Crab_ 20120518 19:15:45< neofutur> stuck doing nothing 20120518 19:16:30< Crab_> ok, thanks again 20120518 19:16:42< Crab_> there's a big chance someone might try to check it out, as it looks interesting. 20120518 19:17:45< Crab_> anonymissimus: no, I haven't tried such things :) 20120518 19:31:07< neofutur> mp server is down?cant reconnect 20120518 19:31:22< neofutur> ah forget it, it works now 20120518 19:34:33-!- mordante [~mordante@wesnoth/developer/mordante] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 19:34:49< mordante> servus 20120518 19:36:55< mordante> Ivanovic, I think a 1.11 release would be nice, I think there enough changes for it ;-) 20120518 19:49:50-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: released 1.10.3, announcing "soon" | 173 bugs, 335 feature requests, 16 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org 20120518 19:55:13-!- MeccaGod [majs@host189-199.bornet.net] has quit [] 20120518 20:19:41-!- artisticdude [~artisticd@vsat-148-64-186-230.c005.g4.mrt.starband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20120518 20:22:26-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 20:28:40< jamit> I know the policy for closing fixed bugs is to close them after a release with the fix (or immediately upon fixing if the bug was never in a release). Is there a policy for closing invalid (and/or won't fix) bugs? 20120518 20:32:08-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20120518 20:32:25< anonymissimus> jamit: invalid ones can be closed immediately 20120518 20:32:37< anonymissimus> upon marking them invalid, that is 20120518 20:32:51< anonymissimus> not sure about won't fix ones 20120518 20:33:46-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 20:34:52< jamit> OK. I had marked one invalid, but left it open in case the bug reporter wanted to tell me I missed the point. I figured a week or so was reasonable, but then I forgot about it until just now (when someone went on a closing binge :) ) 20120518 20:34:58< Espreon> I propose that those be given three days and an hour before being closed... 20120518 20:35:23-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has quit [Client Quit] 20120518 20:36:33< mordante> I normally also leave them open for a while, that makes it possible to find them easier 20120518 20:37:15< mordante> and you can also leave them open and wait for the post release closing cycle 20120518 20:42:08< mordante> I'm off bye 20120518 20:42:39-!- mordante [~mordante@wesnoth/developer/mordante] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20120518 20:42:53< anonymissimus> people who have posted in a report automatically get mailed if the reported says something in addition 20120518 20:43:16< anonymissimus> *r 20120518 20:44:20< anonymissimus> so closing a bug immediately upon marking it invalid only prevents other devs from seeing the report and possibly saying "hey, why's that invalid ?" 20120518 20:45:41< anonymissimus> only the "discussion lock" prevents posting something I think, not the closing, that makes it just no longer appear among the normal bugs 20120518 20:47:39< jamit> Well, if the bug reporter views "closed" as "closed; end of discussion", then marking a bug as closed might discourage a follow-up, even if the report was misinterpreted. 20120518 20:48:16< jamit> But right, I have seen posts in bug reports requesting the bug be re-opened, so such follow-ups would be possible. 20120518 20:49:04< jamit> No big deal to me, though. If the preference is to close when marking a bug invalid, I can do that in the future. 20120518 20:52:01< anonymissimus> well...if you mark a bug invalid, you want to encourage to not post anything else there, unless you actually were mistaken or some new info is available don't you ? 20120518 20:52:23< anonymissimus> there are enough useless reports in there IMHO 20120518 20:53:35< anonymissimus> such as "you really should fix this, but neither am I the one doing the work nor am I willing to provide more info" 20120518 20:54:07< jamit> Call me an optimist, but I would like to think that marking a bug invalid would by itself encourage not posting anything else there, unless [etc.] 20120518 20:57:05< Ivanovic> anonymissimus: have you talk about this to fendrin? 20120518 20:57:19< Ivanovic> the map stuff in 1.11.0-svn 20120518 21:04:18-!- fendrin [~fabi@88-134-11-108-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 21:04:18-!- fendrin [~fabi@88-134-11-108-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Changing host] 20120518 21:04:18-!- fendrin [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 21:17:21< CIA-61> espreon * r54206 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth/uk.po wesnoth-lib/uk.po wesnoth-tutorial/uk.po): Updated the Ukrainian translation. 20120518 21:19:43< shadowm> Ivanovic: no, no 1.11.0 yet, please. 20120518 21:19:52< shadowm> The editor is a wreck. 20120518 21:20:06< CIA-61> espreon * r54207 /branches/1.10/po/ (wesnoth/uk.po wesnoth-lib/uk.po wesnoth-tutorial/uk.po): Updated the Ukrainian translation. 20120518 21:20:11-!- ancestral [~ancestral@97-127-66-8.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 21:20:26< CIA-61> ivanovic * r54208 /branches/1.10/ (changelog players_changelog src/wesconfig.h): post release version bump to 1.10.3+svn 20120518 21:20:28< shadowm> Ivanovic: You closed a bunch of bugs that were fixed in trunk, not 1.10. 20120518 21:20:42< Ivanovic> shadowm: please read the logs, i already mentioned this there 20120518 21:21:12< shadowm> Ivanovic: YOu don't explain why you did that. 20120518 21:21:27< Ivanovic> because the list was getting too lengthy for my taste... 20120518 21:21:35< Ivanovic> and because i did not look careful enough 20120518 21:21:42< shadowm> You aren't the one working on many of those bugs. 20120518 21:22:29< shadowm> If you are going to change the bug management policy, please discuss it in the mailing list first so we all can know in advance. 20120518 21:22:31< Ivanovic> then why were they marked fixed or invalid if they were not ready? 20120518 21:22:59< Ivanovic> and i have not changed the policy, i was just a little too fast not checking every bug for exact status if 1.10.x or 1.11.x 20120518 21:23:19< shadowm> Isn't that why I had to do lall the work for you the last time? 20120518 21:23:25< Ivanovic> so if you want to: feel free to reopen all bugs that were not fixed in a release 20120518 21:23:47< Ivanovic> or just leave it as is and push fendrin to fix the editor soon 20120518 21:23:55< Ivanovic> so that we can release a 1.11.0 20120518 21:24:26< shadowm> You will release 1.11.0 while using campaignd? 20120518 21:24:48< Ivanovic> considering that we have no idea when a replacement will be done: sure! 20120518 21:26:41< CIA-61> espreon * r54209 /branches/1.10/ (changelog players_changelog): Updated the changelogs. 20120518 21:29:43-!- s951 [~s951@dyn1064-176.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 21:30:35< shadowm> We don't even have a campaignd instance for it running yet AFAIK. 20120518 21:31:04< Ivanovic> ahhh, you mean this tiny thing... 20120518 21:31:13-!- stikonas [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [K-Lined] 20120518 21:31:22< shadowm> Yeah, it isn't too tiny. That isn't the only area were administration is lagging behind. 20120518 21:31:37< shadowm> server2 and server3 reject 1.10 clients because they want 1.9. 20120518 21:32:08< shadowm> You can see how that's a problem given wesnoth.org's performance. I hope. 20120518 21:33:05< shadowm> Of course I had mentioned this once or twice in the admins channel a while ago. 20120518 21:35:04< shadowm> 12:06:09 shadowm: do you have the map loading syntax still somewhere 20120518 21:35:16< shadowm> ancestral: if you mean the WML mock-up I posted at some point, potentially, but it was just a mock-up. 20120518 21:35:36< ancestral> anonymissimus: ^ 20120518 21:35:37< shadowm> I don't even know what's the actual state of the map format in trunk. 20120518 21:35:42< shadowm> grumble 20120518 21:35:51< Ivanovic> Soliton: around? 20120518 21:36:14< ancestral> I'll help preserve the tab completion for you, no worries :) 20120518 21:36:18-!- ancestral [~ancestral@97-127-66-8.mpls.qwest.net] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20120518 21:37:51< fendrin> Ivanovic: How far is 1.11 away? 20120518 21:38:04< Ivanovic> fendrin: i would welcome a release next week saturday 20120518 21:38:08< fendrin> Ivanovic: If you want to release very soon, I will just revert all my editor changes. 20120518 21:38:32< shadowm> You do realize your editor changes aren't only yours, right? :p 20120518 21:38:33< Ivanovic> how long would you need to finalize the major changes and start stabilizing them? 20120518 21:38:49< fendrin> shadowm: not? 20120518 21:39:31< shadowm> fendrin: mordante and I have also committed minor changes to src/editor since 1.10 in trunk. 20120518 21:39:45< fendrin> okay 20120518 21:40:03< shadowm> And of course I don't know how many of those might apply to old code. 20120518 21:40:57< fendrin> Ivanovic: Let me investigate. 20120518 21:41:50< shadowm> anonymissimus: the mock-up in question: https://pastebin.com/zwA0wugS (Again, that might not be the actual syntax in trunk right now, I have no idea and fendrin was still planning the whole thing back then.) 20120518 21:42:58-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 21:45:03-!- mattsc [~mattsc@fw.hia.nrc.ca] has quit [Quit: bye] 20120518 21:46:18< shadowm> I had hoped to get the dependency tiers code in trunk before 1.11.0, but it seems that won't happen since I haven't solved our little communication problem here. 20120518 21:47:18< anonymissimus> Ivanovic: well...yes, but it seems he's not so concerned about it like I am; the last time you said that the first 1.11 release would probably be in august or so though, and fendrin calculated with that I think 20120518 21:47:39< shadowm> And at this point I'd rather work on something less complicated, communication-wise. 20120518 21:52:23< anonymissimus> shadowm: thx; yes, I submitted basically the same: http://gna.org/bugs/?19741 20120518 21:53:22< shadowm> Espreon: when will you have time to review the Add-ons help section? 20120518 21:54:45< shadowm> anonymissimus: well, #ifver-friendliness was a point of contention for the map format changes even at the planning stage. I'm surprised my concerns weren't addressed before deploying... 20120518 21:56:00< Espreon> shadowm: Bug me about it tomorrow or Sunday. 20120518 21:57:11< shadowm> Espreon: KDE has this nice korganizer application you can use to keep track of your to-do list. 20120518 21:57:17< shadowm> Just noting. 20120518 21:58:30< fendrin> shadowm: If I didn't break it again since last tested, you can go with map_data and data inside [map] with either of the formats. Thus no #ifver needed. 20120518 21:58:49< Espreon> shadowm: I never found such software useful. 20120518 21:58:56< Espreon> ... since it could easily be ignore. 20120518 21:59:09< Espreon> *ignored 20120518 21:59:57< shadowm> Espreon: Humans are also ignorable. 20120518 22:00:19< shadowm> fendrin: you mean anonymissimus, not shadowm 20120518 22:00:34< shadowm> I won't complain about the thing until I get a chance to test it, which will not be very soon. 20120518 22:00:40< Espreon> shadowm: True. 20120518 22:01:39< anonymissimus> fendrin: post some wml code how it's supposed to work pls 20120518 22:01:50< anonymissimus> in that bug thread for instance 20120518 22:02:00< fendrin> anonymissimus: It is not that complicated. 20120518 22:02:21< fendrin> anonymissimus: Just use the old syntax, or the new. 20120518 22:02:50< fendrin> anonymissimus: But I will do so, as you request. 20120518 22:03:11< anonymissimus> but note that the other report, this one http://gna.org/bugs/index.php?19504 20120518 22:03:25< anonymissimus> is even more important 20120518 22:04:08< anonymissimus> that is, we (I) don't want to introduce syntax that may be neccessary to change afterwards, and the syntax for map-taking places should be consistent 20120518 22:04:31< fendrin> anonymissimus: I see. What about discussing it right now? 20120518 22:05:06< fendrin> I could introduce a feature in the editor which saves [terrain_mask] instead of [map]. 20120518 22:05:53-!- ancestral [~ancestral@97-127-66-8.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 22:05:55< anonymissimus> fendrin: how will this be ? some maps are already converted; some more will follow; the sript won't be ready for long; and at some spot someone (perhaps not you) will decide to deprecate the old format 20120518 22:05:59< fendrin> Or like you proposed, let [terrain_mask] recognize [map] as a subtag. 20120518 22:06:25< anonymissimus> fendrin: an option in the editor to choose in which format to save would be good I think 20120518 22:06:58< anonymissimus> then alarantalara wouldn't have been forced to introduce varying map formats 20120518 22:07:27< shadowm> [terrain_mask] accepts other attributes atm that aren't strictly related to the contents, I think. 20120518 22:08:04< shadowm> x, y, [rule], border 20120518 22:08:33< fendrin> Then better go with [map] inside of it? 20120518 22:09:03< shadowm> Someone broke the GUI2 load game dialog. 20120518 22:09:34-!- ancestral is now known as ncestral 20120518 22:09:39< shadowm> I guess I'll just skip testing it for my following commit. 20120518 22:11:24< CIA-61> shadowmaster * r54210 /trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): 20120518 22:11:24< CIA-61> gui1, gui2: Rename "Reselect difficulty" option to "Change difficulty" 20120518 22:11:24< CIA-61> This affects both internal ids and symbols and translatable strings. 20120518 22:12:16< fendrin> anonymissimus: A switch between saving in old or new format in the editor? Most likely 1.12 made maps won't be working in 1.10 anyway. 20120518 22:13:48< fendrin> Because of unknown terrain strings. 20120518 22:14:19< fendrin> I think we already have additional terrain in 1.11. Or do I miss a usecase? 20120518 22:15:13< shadowm> I have no idea about using the 1.12 editor for 1.10 (I want to do it the other way around), but it's very easy to avoid using newly introduced terrains. 20120518 22:22:16< fendrin> Well, it won't be a problem to keep the old code around and execute that branch depending on the status of a checkbox in the save dialog. 20120518 22:23:40< fendrin> There is no internal change in how information is processed or stored internally, thus all what I need is that checkbox coding. 20120518 22:24:22< shadowm> Well, the good news is that IIRC there's still room for a checkbox in the filechooser dialog. 20120518 22:25:00< shadowm> The bad news is that the editor isn't the only component that uses the filechooser dialog, and you might end up juggling optional function parameters around. 20120518 22:25:41< fendrin> Yeah, my question is, aren't most people fine with using the 1.10 editor when backwards compatible maps are needed? 20120518 22:25:57< fendrin> Why would someone want to use the 1.12 editor in that case? 20120518 22:27:30< anonymissimus> a reason could be that no such binary is around atm 20120518 22:27:58< anonymissimus> pretty likely for myself 20120518 22:30:14< fendrin> What about backporting the support for map into 1.10. 20120518 22:30:21< fendrin> [map] 20120518 22:30:40< fendrin> That is only a few lines and nothing non trivial. 20120518 22:32:32-!- neofutur [~neofutur@mtgox/staff/pdpc.student.ne0futur] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20120518 22:38:58< anonymissimus> fendrin: umm, okay; I just tested and http://gna.org/bugs/?19741 is essentially already implemented ? Then I'm sorry, perhaps it wasn't when I checked it last 20120518 22:40:30< fendrin> anonymissimus: Yeah, that should work already, my fault that the bug is still at "None" status. 20120518 22:40:35< anonymissimus> thats is, the core of the feature "ignore the header in the map file when reading with the new format [map]...data=...[/map]" 20120518 22:41:18< anonymissimus> I'll withdraw the FR 20120518 22:41:34< fendrin> anonymissimus: Wait, you have a good point there. 20120518 22:42:34< fendrin> anonymissimus: I need to check which value dominates when there is both, metadata in the data string and as attributes in [map]. I think the attributes should overwrite the embedded values, right? 20120518 22:43:39< Ivanovic> fendrin: bad idea to backport a feature like this 20120518 22:44:16< Ivanovic> fendrin: since then 1.10.4 users could load a map that 1.10.3 users could not, bad breakage of compatibility! 20120518 22:48:00< shadowm> Ivanovic: don't forget to post the 1.10.3 announcement draft. 20120518 22:48:34< fendrin> anonymissimus: Also note that you do not need the ifver at all, since the dev version is fine with the old syntax. 20120518 22:48:49< anonymissimus> fendrin: however, the issue that terrain_mask, replace_map and scenario/multiplayer tags should have consistent syntax remains, unless you've dealt with that as well in the meanwhile: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?19504 20120518 22:48:49< Ivanovic> it is not ready yet and considering that i had some beer: won't be done this evening, will likely write it next morning 20120518 22:50:02< shadowm> Interesting that the announcement isn't ready despite being a very transparent copy-paste job. 20120518 22:50:19< fendrin> anonymissimus: Are there any issues with scenario or multiplayer? 20120518 22:52:08< anonymissimus> fendrin: none I know of 20120518 22:52:19< anonymissimus> other than those bugs some people reported 20120518 22:53:26< anonymissimus> there's https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?19697 and https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?19642 probably caused by the map changes 20120518 22:53:59< anonymissimus> which would be nice to get fixed before a release 20120518 22:56:10< fendrin> Yes, I will dedicate that weekend for fixing as many of them as possible. 20120518 22:56:20< fendrin> Most of that stuff is easy. 20120518 23:27:44-!- ncestral is now known as ancestral 20120518 23:29:18-!- anonymissimus_ [~chatzilla@HSI-KBW-078-042-163-105.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 23:32:24-!- anonymissimus [~chatzilla@HSI-KBW-078-042-163-105.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20120518 23:32:30-!- anonymissimus_ is now known as anonymissimus 20120518 23:38:24-!- Gambit [~gambit@pa-67-235-4-165.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 23:38:30-!- Gambit [~gambit@pa-67-235-4-165.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Changing host] 20120518 23:38:30-!- Gambit [~gambit@wesnoth/developer/grickit] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 23:40:30< AI0867> well, looks like brilliand hasn't been on the forums for the last 20 days either 20120518 23:40:34< AI0867> I'll revert it myself then 20120518 23:43:54-!- negusnyul__ [~negusnyul@2E6B65AF.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20120518 23:46:07< CIA-61> ai0867 * r54211 /trunk/ (changelog src/play_controller.cpp): 20120518 23:46:07< CIA-61> Revert "Made turn refresh (healing, poison, etc.) occur on first turn of game" 20120518 23:46:07< CIA-61> This reverts commit r53985. 20120518 23:46:31-!- s951 [~s951@dyn1064-176.hor.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20120518 23:48:51< anonymissimus> wesbot: log 53985 20120518 23:48:53< wesbot> brilliand * r53985 : Made turn refresh (healing, poison, etc.) occur on first turn of gameFix for bug #19656 20120518 23:48:56< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=53985 20120518 23:49:32< AI0867> forgot to ensure that the bug# was included 20120518 23:53:02-!- anonymissimus [~chatzilla@HSI-KBW-078-042-163-105.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120423122928]] 20120518 23:53:06-!- Crendgrim [~crend@77-22-112-72-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: ...] 20120518 23:53:14-!- anonymissimus [~chatzilla@HSI-KBW-078-042-163-105.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120518 23:57:03< anonymissimus> AI0867: also revert the changelog entry then 20120518 23:57:21< AI0867> anonymissimus: I did so 20120518 23:58:46 * anonymissimus isn't sure whether the current behavior makes sense --- Log closed Sat May 19 00:00:53 2012