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20120519 00:20:28< anonymissimus> ah, fendrin , btw; if you perform one of those cool software updates and suddenly afterwards something in your system is broken, what do you do ? make a backup each time before ? there's such a ton of updates all the time and I'm very suspicious of any kind of updates in general
20120519 00:21:08< anonymissimus> or better, sceptical
20120519 00:22:09< anonymissimus> since I would love to see the apt-get tool to work like a perfect go-back machine but no, once that you've upgraded stuff, there doesn't seem to be an easy way back
20120519 00:24:45< shadowm> Uh. Okay, if I start at 0 and increment until 255 in steps of 5, how would that translate if 0 was 0.0 and 255 1.0?
20120519 00:25:57< shadowm> That'd be 1/51 steps...
20120519 00:28:55< anonymissimus> something like apt-get build-dep purge would be great as well
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20120519 08:28:26< mordante> servus
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20120519 08:28:50< mordante> anonymissimus not everybody leaves an email address in a bug report
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20120519 08:55:31< shadowm> mordante: got some time now?
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20120519 08:56:55< Brilliand> Looks like gna failed to alert me to a reply to a bug that I was involved in.  Does this happen often?
20120519 08:57:35< shadowm> Their mailer ran out of disk space for a while a while ago. How recently is this?
20120519 08:57:46< Brilliand> April 25
20120519 08:57:56< mordante> shadowm, yes
20120519 08:58:09< shadowm> Brilliand: Sounds about right.
20120519 08:58:25< shadowm> mordante: What are your plans for everything related to add-ons management for 1.12?
20120519 08:58:32< shadowm> And what is the status of those plans right now?
20120519 08:59:13< shadowm> (Everything being client, server, syntax, GUI, policies.)
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20120519 09:02:50< Ivanovic> moin
20120519 09:03:14< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
20120519 09:04:00< mordante> shadowm, I wanted to work on the Wescamp integration then came GSoC and offered the server as GSoC project
20120519 09:04:25< mordante> that project was not accepted and now it may or may not be noy offered to sponsor trademark to work on it
20120519 09:04:45< mordante> but it hasn't been discussed on the dev-ml so I've no clue on what the status of that offer is
20120519 09:04:59< mordante> but since it's not discussed we can't have offered it
20120519 09:05:37< mordante> in this idle time I found some new ideas on the listbox issues and now working on them
20120519 09:07:38< shadowm> You have been using gui2/taddon_list as a testing area, though. Do you think anything in there might become production-quality before the end of the development series?
20120519 09:08:52< shadowm> As you know, I have been working on its legacy (GUI1) counterpart for a while and I'm not finished yet. Before continuing my work in that area, I'd like to know whether I'm wasting my time or not.
20120519 09:10:15< shadowm> s/quality/worthy/
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20120519 09:12:41< mordante> there might be, I've no idea whether my new listbox approach will work
20120519 09:13:03< mordante> it looks promising, but I had promising things before, falling to pieces in more complex environments
20120519 09:13:42< mordante> and the addon list is an easy way to get a listbox with a lot of item +/- 250
20120519 09:13:46< mordante> items*
20120519 09:14:38< shadowm> So your work so far is centered on the listbox widget's basics rather than any functionality that is specifically intended for use in the add-ons manager UI?
20120519 09:15:20< shadowm> (Considering I still have an abandoned local branch thanks to a problem with the 1.10 implementation of the widget...)
20120519 09:17:23< mordante> at the moment yes
20120519 09:17:26< CIA-61> mordante * r54212 /trunk/src/gui/auxiliary/ (window_builder.cpp window_builder_private.hpp): Remove the unused tbuilder_gridcell class.
20120519 09:17:56< mordante> still getting the dialogue to look like http://wiki.wesnoth.org/GUI#Campaign_download_Dialog has been on my todo list for years
20120519 09:18:57< shadowm> Yeah, but I don't remember anything in that regard happening during 1.9.x.
20120519 09:19:34< shadowm> Not to mention that the mock-up doesn't address some specific concerns that I have been addressing in trunk since 1.10.
20120519 09:20:39< shadowm> (Amazingly, the mock-up doesn't address currently unaddressable concerns either.) :p
20120519 09:24:08< mordante> in 1.9 I struggled a lot with the listbox and with its issues it made no sense to develop something new and complex with them
20120519 09:24:33< mordante> for example there also hasn't been any real progress on the MP lobby
20120519 09:24:39< mordante> for exactly the same reason
20120519 09:26:51< shadowm> Well, the lobby is far more complicated since it interacts with a wide array of other components, and displays continuously-updating information.
20120519 09:28:08< shadowm> Not to mention that its quality affects the multiplayer aspect of Wesnoth at its roots.
20120519 09:29:06< shadowm> However, it feels like there are skewed priorities here. What about blur in transparent GUI2 dialogs, and its interaction with interactive widgets?
20120519 09:29:45< shadowm> Blur would greatly increase readability of [message] (as in event.message) dialogs in a significant number of situations.
20120519 09:30:54< shadowm> Not to mention that like it or not, someone made the objectives dialog (which used to be GUI1) a transparent with blur GUI2 dialog during 1.9.x.
20120519 09:31:46< shadowm> It's not too hard to cause it to hit the infinite blur bug with certain add-ons, language and display resolution combinations, since the text simply can't always fit in the screen and that calls for scrollbars, which are interactive widgets.
20120519 09:32:38< shadowm> The tips of the day on the titlescreen also suffer from severe readability issues due to the lack of blur.
20120519 09:32:54< shadowm> (Plus the bright background with text on it.)
20120519 09:33:45< shadowm> What I'm getting at, is the blur issue really that much harder to address than the overall GUI2 goals?
20120519 09:35:49< shadowm> (You can replace "blur" with any other thing in the tracker I guess, but blur is what comes to mind all the time when I have difficulty reading characters speaking in game, or reading the tips of the day.)
20120519 09:35:58< mordante> in the initial mockups for the gui2 messages there was a desire for no blur so that works as wanted
20120519 09:36:12< mordante> who converted the objectives to GUI2?
20120519 09:36:33< shadowm> Where are those mockups and was that desire explicitly stated? (I suspect the first answer would be 'Jetrel'.)
20120519 09:37:18< shadowm> Incidentally, I think it was Jetrel himself who asked for blur to be  added to the titlescreen panels.
20120519 09:37:38< shadowm> I even think I assigned and completed the FR myself back when the titlescreen wasn't a GUI2 dialog.
20120519 09:41:43< shadowm> It was him, indeed: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?11704
20120519 09:42:42< shadowm> But it turns out I didn't do it per his request, and it was just a coincidence.
20120519 09:43:14< shadowm> So that makes the titlescreen in 1.9.x a minor regression of sorts.
20120519 09:43:34< mordante> I can't find the initial message mockups, but yes Jetrel was the one
20120519 09:44:31< mordante> I'm not sure whether the infinite darkening issue is around in the titlescreen if not the blur could be enabled
20120519 09:44:43< shadowm> Yes, it is. I tried it once during 1.9.x.
20120519 09:45:11< shadowm> The problem isn't specific to scrollbars; command buttons also cause it
20120519 09:47:26< shadowm> Eleazar (terrain director) also suggested to bring blur back to [message] dialogs a couple of years ago: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=423254#p423254
20120519 09:48:43< shadowm> (I also tried that change and had to discard it since blur in [message] only works as long as the dialog doesn't gain scrollbars or other interactive widgets, e.g. when using with [text_input] or [option])
20120519 09:49:12< shadowm> (Whereas "not working" here means the infinite blur issue occurs.)
20120519 09:51:17< mordante> I know how eleazar is ;-)
20120519 09:52:18< shadowm> So, going back to the actual matter at hand, am I wasting my time with improving the actual (GUI1) add-ons manager dialog currently used in production, or not?
20120519 09:52:55< mordante> in that whole thread the word blur is mentioned exactly once
20120519 09:53:18< shadowm> Uh, yes, it is. I linked to the specific post where it is. Why does that matter?
20120519 09:53:43< mordante> that you made it seem it was a hot topic
20120519 09:54:06< mordante> in the end yes I still want to convert everything to GUI2 in the end
20120519 09:54:15< mordante> but no estimate how long that will take
20120519 09:54:29< shadowm> So I _am_ wasting my time?
20120519 09:55:05< shadowm> Also no, I never said blur was a hot topic. There are plenty of usability issues everywhere of Wesnoth and none of them are hot topics or topics at all for some stupid reason.
20120519 09:55:15< shadowm> s/of W/in W/
20120519 09:55:53< shadowm> Note that when I ask whether I am wasting my time I am not asking whether I am wasting my time on the sole basis of working on GUI1.
20120519 09:56:15< shadowm> I'm pretty sure features like the multiple view modes can be migrated to GUI2 in the future, perhaps wiht even cleaner implementations.
20120519 09:57:13< shadowm> For the purpose of that question, I'd be wasting my time only by working on a feature that you or someone else will absolutely refuse to migrate/reimplement accordingly.
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20120519 09:58:26< shadowm> btw, you assigned #11704 (blur for titlescreen panels) to yourself and changed its status but it's still marked as Closed.
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20120519 10:01:29< mordante> odd quite sure I change that flag as well... did it now
20120519 10:02:22< mordante> like I said eventually things will move to GUI2, but I have no timetable
20120519 10:03:12< shadowm> Like I said, that's not quite the point. :) (Otherwise I'd not be asking that question for such an obvious answer.)
20120519 10:04:20< shadowm> If, for example, tomorrow gui2/taddon_list is completed and it integrates the view modes feature I implemented in the GUI1 version, then all my work in March won't be wasted.
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20120519 10:04:37< shadowm> However, if that happens and you forbid adding that feature, then it'll all have been in vain.
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20120519 10:12:35< shadowm> Also note that the feature in question isn't even on that mock-up.
20120519 10:12:49< shadowm> (Yeah, I'm still waiting for that answer before asking my next question.)
20120519 10:13:07< mordante> first had to look what the viewmode was ;-)
20120519 10:13:30< shadowm> Choosing between displaying all/installled/not installed/upgradable add-ons.
20120519 10:13:35< mordante> it's indeed not in the mock-up, but the mock-up shows the status
20120519 10:13:59< mordante> so I'm not against adding that as a filter
20120519 10:14:22< shadowm> Then that means my work in that regard hasn't been wasted, which is good. :)
20120519 10:14:24< mordante> I also included the filter option in my current draft version
20120519 10:14:52< mordante> no, but probably I'd like to make it a proper drop down combo box
20120519 10:15:03< mordante> any reason for not doing so in GUI1?
20120519 10:15:45< shadowm> Yes. The GUI1 stock dialog doesn't currently allow me to insert comboboxes on it.
20120519 10:16:00< mordante> ah ok
20120519 10:16:18< shadowm> They also have some differences to regular buttons despite they inherit from them class-wise.
20120519 10:17:34< shadowm> I was going to look into that and allowing me to place the button at the top right corner; in fact, I did some work locally in that regard but I got frustrated with the magical numbers used for defining the layout geometry. :/
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20120519 10:19:25< shadowm> I guess I won't ask my next question since it depends on what the add-ons server situation actually is.
20120519 10:20:42< shadowm> Also regarding the GUI2 version of the dialog, the "Choose the add-on to download" label can probably be removed to get rid of a string for translators.
20120519 10:21:06< Elvish_Hunter> Hi all
20120519 10:21:33< shadowm> I removed that description line in the GUI1 Add-ons Manager and Load Game dialogs, and the GUI2 Load Game dialog since it only wastes valuable display space (especially on 800x480 for Load Game) and it borders on Captain Obvious.
20120519 10:22:38< mordante> hi Elvish_Hunter 
20120519 10:23:00< shadowm> (For the GUI1 Load Game dialog in particular, it was absolutely necessary to remove that line because otherwise the dialog's layout was completely broken on 800x480 after the Change difficulty option was added.)
20120519 10:23:29< CIA-61> elvish_hunter * r54213 /trunk/data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/scenarios/ (10_Saving_Inarix.cfg 14_Back_Home.cfg): SotBE: got rid of the last remaining OK from mainline campaigns
20120519 10:23:58< Elvish_Hunter> I guess that ESR and Espreon will be happy of the commit above... ;-)
20120519 10:24:14< mordante> shadowm, AFAIK no string is marked translatable in that draft version
20120519 10:24:42< shadowm> Ah, right.
20120519 10:26:03< shadowm> mordante: Completely unrelated, but I recently assigned https://gna.org/bugs/?19666 to you so you can look into it when you get the time. Feel free to assign it back to None if adequate.
20120519 10:26:32< shadowm> (Assuming you didn't get the email since you didn't mention it afterwards.)
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20120519 10:30:55< shadowm> mordante: You converted Objectives to GUI2.
20120519 10:31:48< shadowm> r35844, to be specific, using gui2::show_transient_message() (which gained blurring later)
20120519 10:34:30< CIA-61> elvish_hunter * r54214 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): SotBE: Kapou'e talks differently if he kills the first Elf in Silent Forest; also, the messages can be translated depending on the Elf's gender. Fixes bug #19684
20120519 10:36:03< shadowm> Apparently the relevant GUI2 dialog gained blurring following r36000, also from you.
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20120519 10:37:04< shadowm> (The "message" window definition is given blur by that commit. transient_message has used the "message" definition ever since you introduced it.)
20120519 10:39:18< mordante> I've seen bug 19666, but have nothing to add to it at the moment
20120519 10:40:01< CIA-61> elvish_hunter * r54215 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): SotBE: fixed two variable checks in Back Home. Fixes bug #19686
20120519 10:41:21< mordante> ok i thought the objectives were a special dialog
20120519 10:42:42< mordante> fendrin, just starting the editor but how can I scroll down to extra terrains?
20120519 10:46:20< CIA-61> mordante * r54216 /trunk/src/gui/auxiliary/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
20120519 10:46:21< CIA-61> Move the widget fields to the widget class.
20120519 10:46:21< CIA-61> Some fields of the tbuilder_control are actually part of the twidget
20120519 10:46:21< CIA-61> class. These are now moved to the tbuilder_widget.
20120519 10:46:21< CIA-61> Some of these fields were also used in the tbuilder_grid and are moved
20120519 10:46:21< CIA-61> likewise. This means the tbuilder_grid now has some extra fields for
20120519 10:46:22< CIA-61> debugging. (`Inherited' from the tbuilder_control.)
20120519 10:46:25< CIA-61> mordante * r54217 /trunk/ (changelog src/gui/auxiliary/window_builder.cpp): 
20120519 10:46:25< CIA-61> Made the id for a tooltip and helptip mandatory.
20120519 10:46:25< CIA-61> The change was already planned for 1.9.7.
20120519 10:46:27< CIA-61> mordante * r54218 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/ (widget.cpp widget.hpp): 
20120519 10:46:27< CIA-61> Add a second constructor for twidget.
20120519 10:46:27< CIA-61> This constructor takes a builder object to do its building.
20120519 10:46:31< CIA-61> mordante * r54219 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/control.cpp: Let the tcontrol use the new twidget constructor.
20120519 10:46:33< CIA-61> mordante * r54220 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/ (control.cpp control.hpp): 
20120519 10:46:33< CIA-61> Fix a bug in the new tcontrol constructor.
20120519 10:46:33< CIA-61> The constructor called a virtual function in it's constructor, which is
20120519 10:46:33< CIA-61> not a good idea, even worse it was pure virtual in the control class.
20120519 10:47:43< shadowm> So... I've been wasting my time for years implementing trivial copy constructors on my own. Now that's a terrible realization.
20120519 10:48:20< shadowm> (Assuming it's actually true since I haven't had the chance to check whether those are actually defined by the compiler when absent.)
20120519 10:48:34< mordante> jup C++ does that automatically
20120519 10:49:06< mordante> for C++11 the rules have changed a bit but there you can just do tfoo(const tfoo&) = default;
20120519 10:49:35< mordante> and even add a default constructor when adding a constructor yourself with tfoo() = default;
20120519 10:49:58< CIA-61> elvish_hunter * r54221 /trunk/ (changelog data/lua/wml-tags.lua): [find_path]: fixed this_unit not being restored in certain situations
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20120519 10:55:17< shadowm> I guess now I'm more worried about classes for which I've never implemented custom copy constructors.
20120519 10:56:09< shadowm> I might accidentally invoke the default implementation for a class that has fields that are internally-managed pointers. And that could be disastrous.
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20120519 10:56:52< mordante> jup the rule of three
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20120519 10:57:27< shadowm> What would that be?
20120519 10:59:04< mordante> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_three_%28C%2B%2B_programming%29
20120519 11:00:18< shadowm> Ah right.
20120519 11:01:12< shadowm> Or I can use boost::noncopyable.
20120519 11:03:24< mordante> yes boost::noncopyable is a kind of hack to fix the issue 
20120519 11:03:46< mordante> the other option is to declare a private copy constructor and assignment operator
20120519 11:04:19< mordante> (which is what boost::noncopyable does)
20120519 11:04:52< shadowm> Well, since boost::noncopyable is already used in several places in Wesnoth I might as well stick to it as well.
20120519 11:05:02< mordante> personally I really like the ' = (default|delete)' of C++11
20120519 11:05:28< mordante> yes it was more a generic remark in case you wanted to use it in another project without using boost
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20120519 11:10:56 * shadowm finds it hard to want to use C++ for his own projects nowadays. <.<
20120519 11:11:27< mordante> why?
20120519 11:11:56< shadowm> There are so many border cases and traps to avoid.
20120519 11:12:45< mordante> true, but I think about every language has its own pitfalls
20120519 11:13:40< CIA-61> shadowmaster * r54222 /trunk/src/addon/info.hpp: addon/info: Remove trivial copy constructor, make remaining single-argument constructor explicit
20120519 11:13:53< CIA-61> shadowmaster * r54223 /trunk/src/addon/client.hpp: addon/client: Mark addons_client class as noncopyable
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20120519 11:17:03< shadowm> Espreon: It's Saturday, so here's a reminder to check the Add-ons help section.
20120519 11:17:15< timotei> hmm... is it just me that gets a 404 Not found? http://eclipse.wesnoth.org/
20120519 11:17:50< shadowm> Just you.
20120519 11:17:57< timotei> Ah of course
20120519 11:18:04< timotei> I remember. I changed my hosts file xD
20120519 11:18:10< timotei> Sorry for bothering you
20120519 11:18:31< shadowm> Let me guess, pointed wesnoth.org to some unavailable IP to boost your productivity?
20120519 11:18:43< timotei> To localhost more exaclty
20120519 11:19:00< timotei> exactly*
20120519 11:19:01< shadowm> Then I guess you were testing something instead.
20120519 11:19:08< timotei> I had to test updating the plugin
20120519 11:19:28< timotei> And it seems we'll go without autoupdate yet again
20120519 11:20:11< timotei> And now to check why is a web server running on my pc...
20120519 11:20:20< timotei> without my aknowledgement
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20120519 12:33:27< shadowm> It's perfectly standard for STL associative containers such as set to have an optional second template argument to define their comparison operator, right?
20120519 12:34:38< shadowm> s/second//
20120519 12:34:52< mordante> no a third ;-)
20120519 12:35:14< shadowm> for set it's the second argument, for map it's the third
20120519 12:35:31< mordante> ah yes
20120519 12:36:17< mordante> however you can't assign a std::map<T,K,S> where S != std::less to another std::map<T,K> 
20120519 12:36:44< mordante> and iterators are also not compatible with std::map<T, K>
20120519 12:38:14< shadowm> Yeah, of course.
20120519 12:44:27< CIA-61> shadowmaster * r54224 /trunk/src/addon/manager_ui.cpp: (log message trimmed)
20120519 12:44:27< CIA-61> addon/mg: Horrible, horrible hack to ensure the add-ons list (GUI1) is naturally sorted by titles rather than case-sensitive ids
20120519 12:44:27< CIA-61> This is quite a hack and it's only here in case I don't figure out a
20120519 12:44:27< CIA-61> better solution later before 1.11.0 (or get hit by a truck). It works
20120519 12:44:27< CIA-61> and that's all that matters here nowadays, anyway.
20120519 12:44:28< CIA-61> The problem this solves is basically the following:
20120519 12:44:29< CIA-61> * The internal add-ons list is sorted by id (case-sensitively)
20120519 12:46:53< shadowm> And thus ends the age-old tradition of rushing to the newly-started add-ons server to secure the first few slots and the most downloaders.
20120519 12:47:22< Crendgrim> hm? is the new add-on server up?
20120519 12:47:45< shadowm> Not yet, but it won't matter when it is for this effect.
20120519 12:47:57< Crendgrim> ah, I see.
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20120519 12:49:46< mordante> shadowm, thus we now get addons named a ;-)
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20120519 12:49:57 * mordante starts an addon _
20120519 12:50:27< shadowm> Yeah, now that I think of it campaignd probably doesn't do anything to prevent add-ons with duplicate titles (as opposed to ids).
20120519 12:50:37< Crendgrim> and mine starts with a Q. sigh :p
20120519 12:50:54< CIA-61> brilliand * r54225 /trunk/src/actions.cpp: Made unit_mover and animation_unit_placer inherit from boost::noncopyable
20120519 12:54:28< shadowm> Crendgrim: Why else do you think I chose a title starting with 'a' for my add-on back in 2008? :p
20120519 12:54:37< Crendgrim> ;)
20120519 12:55:20< shadowm> So this is trunk looking at the 1.10 server now: http://shadowm.rewound.net/f/addons-initial-sorting.png
20120519 12:56:02< shadowm> (Of course nobody will be uploading more silly @punctuation add-ons now that those formatting characters don't do anything.)
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20120519 13:02:37< CIA-61> shadowmaster * r54226 /trunk/data/core/help.cfg: 
20120519 13:02:38< CIA-61> addons/help: Mention the possibility of sorting the add-on list by clicking on the column headers
20120519 13:02:38< CIA-61> Evidence suggests that either this has never been an obvious feature or
20120519 13:02:38< CIA-61> people have a strange obsession with downloading the first entries
20120519 13:02:38< CIA-61> before trying out the rest. It's not visually obvious, anyway, so we
20120519 13:02:38< CIA-61> might as well mention it.
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20120519 13:06:31< loonycyborg> shadowm: Probably people assume they're sorted by playability :P
20120519 13:08:22< Ivanovic> shadowm: btw no need to worry that the announcment draft is not online yet
20120519 13:08:41< Ivanovic> the OSX binary is not done yet, so i'll most likely wait for about 24h more
20120519 13:08:52< Ivanovic> copy&pasting the forum post thingie now
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20120519 13:14:25< shadowm> Why didn't I ever think of trying this out before... http://shadowm.rewound.net/f/multiline-gui1-list-entries.png
20120519 13:16:54< Ivanovic> shadowm: okay, i posted the copy&paste job, feel free to add any details
20120519 13:17:06< shadowm> If translators could keep the relevant strings short, then I could add these tiny little labels to each entry displaying the status instead of that stupid color-key idea that I forgot to revert.
20120519 13:17:10< Ivanovic> i'll post the announcement once the OSX binary is online or on monday evening european time
20120519 13:17:17< shadowm> *statuses
20120519 13:17:51< shadowm> i.e. a step closer to the mock-up.
20120519 13:18:10< Ivanovic> uhm, you should never assume that it is easily possible to keep the strings short...
20120519 13:18:12< Ivanovic> ;)
20120519 13:18:36< shadowm> We kind of assume that already in this dialog with regards to the column headers, though.
20120519 13:19:04< shadowm> And other GUI1 dialogs involving lists with column headers.
20120519 13:21:02< shadowm> Interestingly the code continues to behaves fine with even more lines.
20120519 13:21:36< shadowm> It makes me wonder why this possibility was never actually used in production.
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20120519 13:24:07< shadowm> Oh. In fact. I was using it 5 years ago, except not in C++, but in WML. My campaign's two episodes had multiline names, and the campaign dialog back then was using GUI1 widgets, so...
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20120519 16:37:04< fendrin> hello
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20120519 17:03:48< CIA-61> espreon * r54227 /trunk/ (10 files in 10 dirs): Updated the Ukrainian translation.
20120519 17:05:31< CIA-61> espreon * r54228 /trunk/po/ (54 files in 27 dirs): Ran umcpropfix.
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20120519 17:13:03< CIA-61> espreon * r54230 /branches/1.10/ (10 files in 10 dirs): Updated the Ukrainian translation.
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20120519 17:33:51< mordante> hi fendrin, did you see my question in the log?
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20120519 17:36:51< fendrin> mordante: One moment, let me catch up with the history.
20120519 17:38:04< fendrin> mordante: I am working on the editor stuff today to get it ready for a first release of 1.11. My plan was to fix all stuff regarding the map format first, then take care about remaining interface glitches in the editor.
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20120519 17:41:01< Guest14524> mordante: for what it's worth - I do think that making anonymous bug reports should not be possible, and if someone doesn't leave his address then it's his fault if he doesn't get notified
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20120519 17:43:02< mordante> fendrin, ok
20120519 17:44:11< fendrin> mordante: scrolling terrains should always be possible with a mouse wheel, are the buttons missing?
20120519 17:44:45< mordante> anonymissimus, some people don't want to register or leave an email address also sometimes somebody knows about a bug and doesn't want to leave his/her email adress behind
20120519 17:45:00< mordante> fendrin, not everybody has a wheelmouse
20120519 17:45:26< anonymissimus> mordante: true; but otherwise there are too many useless reports
20120519 17:45:36< mordante> ?
20120519 17:45:51< mordante> fendrin, also I don't have a clue I could scroll to find more terrains
20120519 17:46:01< anonymissimus> well, reports without enough info and no chance to ask the reporter
20120519 17:46:45< anonymissimus> and note that the mail adress is only visible to logged in project members
20120519 17:47:01< fendrin> mordante: Sure, not every mouse has a wheel. I meant, do you miss the buttons in the gui that do the scrolling not the hardware buttons.
20120519 17:50:59< mordante> fendrin, where are the buttons in the GUI?
20120519 17:51:37< mordante> anonymissimus, you seem to imply that is somebody likes to report anonymous his/her report is directly useless
20120519 17:53:45< fendrin> There is a Button called "Group" to select the type/category of terrain. Right of it is an icon displaying the current selected type. Next to it are the two arrow buttons. 
20120519 17:53:54< fendrin> They still look the same as ever.
20120519 17:57:36< CIA-61> fendrin * r54232 /trunk/src/statistics.cpp: patch #3270 Fix for bug #19120
20120519 17:59:32< mordante> fendrin, uhm yes I see now, however they are placed in such a way they don't draw attention
20120519 17:59:50< mordante> they are completely detached from the list they are connected to
20120519 18:01:09< fendrin> mordante: Yeah, but I managed to get rid of the hardcoding positions of palette and brush stuff.
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20120519 18:02:02< Alarantalara> Ivanovic: OS X package is uploaded
20120519 18:02:03< fendrin> Thus I can now switch the positions of brush and palette control row. The code needs just a little more testing.
20120519 18:02:20< Ivanovic> Alarantalara: great!
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20120519 18:06:56< mordante> fendrin, might be, but I still think that both the up and down arrow at the top looks confusing
20120519 18:07:24< mordante> it's completely different from the rest of the GUI and also from other GUI toolkits (at least the ones I know)
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20120519 18:22:05< anonymissimus> mordante: no, but hte vast majority of useless reports are anonymous ones
20120519 18:22:27< anonymissimus> thus this is a good criteria to effectively sort them out :)
20120519 18:24:14< anonymissimus> part of their uselessness is of course due to the fact that hte bug reporter cannot be asked additional questions...
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20120519 18:56:24< anonymissimus> mordante: what happens now if tooltip/helptip are missing ? (asking for the lua dialogs)
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20120519 19:17:59< anonymissimus> mordante: is it intentional that the "no saved games" dialog has no buttons ? it seems that it disappears short time after clicking the next time
20120519 19:18:38< anonymissimus> the dialog which opens when clicking titlescreen>load and there are no saved games; in trunk
20120519 19:18:51< mordante> anonymissimus, no idea what happens if no tooltip is used in lua
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20120519 19:19:52< anonymissimus> mordante: in any case; even if it isn't a bug, I think this dialog should have a close button
20120519 19:21:02< mordante> anonymissimus, no idea is this a GUI1 or GUI2 dialogue?
20120519 19:27:13< anonymissimus> mordante: how could I know ?
20120519 19:29:13< anonymissimus> mordante: it's gui2, dialogs.cpp:577
20120519 19:32:03< anonymissimus> ah well, forget it, not that important
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20120519 19:36:10< mordante> anonymissimus, guess it is as intended then gui/dialogs/transient_message.hpp
20120519 19:36:19< mordante> and I think it was the same in GUI1
20120519 19:37:54< anonymissimus> yeah, it uses the same call like e.g. the scenario objectives dialog; what confuses me a bit is that there appears to be some delay between the click and the disappearance of the dialog, which doesn't seem to be the case for the other callcases
20120519 19:41:28< mordante> no idea
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20120519 20:06:40< shadowm> anonymissimus: That delay might be from restarting the titlescreen dialog.
20120519 20:07:46< shadowm> I haven't checked myself, but it's possible the titlescreen dialog takes a while to appear. In the meantime the trail image of the previous screen might still be in the framebuffer.
20120519 20:07:52< fendrin> re
20120519 20:09:27< shadowm> The titlescreen dialog is also special in that it works with a huge background image that needs to be scaled, and you know the implications.
20120519 20:10:01< shadowm> Plus I think all the tips of the day need to be rendered in intermediate surfaces, not just the currently visible one.
20120519 20:12:30< shadowm> Yep, that appears to be it, although the delay is near negligible here.
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20120519 21:10:35< shadowm> Did I mention the GUI2 Load Game (--new-widgets) dialog fails to run in trunk atm?
20120519 21:13:52< shadowm> Then again, that might be related to the experimental listbox changes.
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20120519 21:23:27< mordante> that might be --new-widgets is very experimental at the moment
20120519 21:23:51< mordante> especially for dialogs with a listbox
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20120519 21:35:57< CIA-61> mordante * r54233 /trunk/ (changelog src/wml_exception.cpp src/wml_exception.hpp): 
20120519 21:35:58< CIA-61> Added FAIL and FAIL_WITH_DEV_MESSAGE macros.
20120519 21:35:58< CIA-61> These macros allow to throw an wml_exception without any condition. This
20120519 21:35:58< CIA-61> can be used when a code path is reached that should be unreachable with
20120519 21:35:58< CIA-61> valid WML.
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20120519 22:01:42< CIA-61> shadowmaster * r54234 /trunk/src/marked-up_text.hpp: Remove declaration of an external that isn't defined anywhere
20120519 22:03:02< CIA-61> mordante * r54235 /trunk/ (changelog src/enumerate.tpp): 
20120519 22:03:02< CIA-61> Adds code for writing enumerate stream operators.
20120519 22:03:02< CIA-61> The code has been copy-pasted from another project I've been working on, with
20120519 22:03:02< CIA-61> some minor adaptions to compile with Wesnoth:
20120519 22:03:02< CIA-61> - Removed dependency on C++11 and use the support in boost instead.
20120519 22:03:03< CIA-61> - Changed the error reporting to use the Wesnoth code.
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20120519 22:06:38< CIA-61> mordante * r54236 /trunk/ (11 files in 5 dirs): 
20120519 22:06:38< CIA-61> Adds helper code to assist in widget placement.
20120519 22:06:38< CIA-61> The code is used to experiment with a different approach of the
20120519 22:06:38< CIA-61> implementation of a listbox.
20120519 22:07:23< CIA-61> espreon * r54237 /trunk/data/core/help.cfg: Pass one for improvements on the add-ons help section.
20120519 22:09:00< shadowm> Do we currently have an algorithm to fit text within an area of limited width, laying out words vertically if necessary?
20120519 22:09:56< mordante> shadowm, you mean for GUI2?
20120519 22:10:25< shadowm> Not for any GUI or render framework in particular. It could just work based on character count limits per line.
20120519 22:11:14< mordante> no not really
20120519 22:11:28< mordante> but I added something for GUI2 recently that does about that
20120519 22:11:50< mordante> only the width is based on the average character width in a font
20120519 22:12:09< mordante> it's already used in the campaign dialogue, other dialogues need to be ported later
20120519 22:13:37< shadowm> Ah, "line wrapping" is the term I was looking for.
20120519 22:16:04< shadowm> Of course now that I remembered the name I found a function which might do what I need.
20120519 22:20:45< shadowm> Not entirely related: http://shadowm.rewound.net/f/addon-mg-6.png
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20120519 22:33:13< CIA-61> mordante * r54238 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/ (pane.cpp pane.hpp): 
20120519 22:33:13< CIA-61> Use the new tplacer_ class in the pane.
20120519 22:33:13< CIA-61> Used for both placement and size. The value is hard-coded at the moment,
20120519 22:33:13< CIA-61> but other settings have been tested.
20120519 22:33:13< CIA-61> The code is used to experiment with a different approach of the
20120519 22:33:13< CIA-61> implementation of a listbox.
20120519 22:33:25< CIA-61> shadowmaster * r54239 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/addon/description.cpp: 
20120519 22:33:25< CIA-61> gui2/taddon_description: Tweak status lines for Published add-ons
20120519 22:33:25< CIA-61> Instead of displaying just "Published" for a published add-on regardless
20120519 22:33:25< CIA-61> of whether it is installed or not, display "Published, not installed"
20120519 22:33:26< CIA-61> when it isn't. This is a rarer situation than a published add-on being
20120519 22:33:26< CIA-61> installed, hence we don't need a "Published, installed" status line.
20120519 22:33:45< CIA-61> shadowmaster * r54240 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/addon/description.cpp: gui2/taddon_description: "Outdated in the server" -> "Outdated on server"
20120519 22:43:26< mordante> I'm off bye
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20120519 23:00:56< CIA-61> espreon * r54241 /trunk/data/core/help.cfg: Pass two for improvements on the add-ons help section. Thanks to Alarantalara for suggestions and input.
20120519 23:01:09< Ivanovic> shadowm: so do you have any additions and/or corrections for the release announcement?
20120519 23:01:18< Ivanovic> my current plan is to go live in about 11h
20120519 23:02:14< CIA-61> ivanovic * r54242 /trunk/po/wesnoth-thot/gl.po: updated Galician translation
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20120519 23:02:27< shadowm> mordante: Hm, you broke my build it seems.
20120519 23:02:33< CIA-61> ivanovic * r54243 /branches/1.10/ (changelog players_changelog po/wesnoth-thot/gl.po): updated Galician translation
20120519 23:04:18< shadowm> Ivanovic: the announcement seems fine to me. There's nothing major in the changelog.
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20120519 23:04:26< shadowm> Although it seems someone forgot to mention that the cache invalidation issue was fixed.
20120519 23:04:40< shadowm> AH never mind, it is there.
20120519 23:05:30< shadowm> I guess I'll add that to the announcement just to encourage upgrading.
20120519 23:06:21< Espreon> Ivanovic: When are we going to tag 1.11.0?
20120519 23:08:04< Espreon> Hmmmmm...
20120519 23:08:23 * matthiaskrgr waits for 1.11.1
20120519 23:08:58< Espreon> Perhaps we should mark the parenthesis strings in WHISPER and ASIDE as translatable since CJK often prefers larger, different types of parentheses.
20120519 23:09:22< Ivanovic> Espreon: i am not sure yet about 1.11.0
20120519 23:09:40< Ivanovic> that is: i would have liked to go for it next saturday, but the editor changes are (by far) not stable enough yet
20120519 23:09:45< Ivanovic> so it will be "later"
20120519 23:09:47< Espreon> All right.
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20120519 23:12:02< Espreon> Any opinions on what I said about WHISPER and ASIDE?
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20120519 23:12:51< loonycyborg> shadowm: It still builds fine for me.
20120519 23:13:07< shadowm> loonycyborg: YOu don't use strict.
20120519 23:13:32< loonycyborg> I do use strict.
20120519 23:13:49< loonycyborg> At least -Werror is definitely there
20120519 23:14:20< shadowm> src/gui/auxiliary/placer.cpp:43:1: error: control reaches end of non-void function [-Werror=return-type]
20120519 23:14:38< shadowm> Well, you don't use gcc 4.7. :p
20120519 23:14:46< loonycyborg> Indeed.
20120519 23:14:57< shadowm> It seems to expect more possible cases for that switch statement despite tgrow_direction doesn't have more members.
20120519 23:16:39< Ivanovic> Espreon: i don't know exactly what construct you mean
20120519 23:17:20< Espreon> Ivanovic: interface-utils.cfg... lines 357 and 362
20120519 23:18:27< Ivanovic> looking at those macros: what is there to translate?
20120519 23:18:42< Espreon> The parentheses.
20120519 23:19:00< Ivanovic> those things are just <small> or <i> tags plus a (
20120519 23:19:37< Espreon> Yes. CJK texts prefers fullwidth characters, and there are fullwidth parentheses.
20120519 23:19:48< Espreon> *text prefers
20120519 23:19:52< Ivanovic> somehow i fear  that this is likely to end in many errors with broken tags
20120519 23:19:54< Espreon> Lemme do more research.
20120519 23:20:17< shadowm> We already require translators to deal with tags in many other places.
20120519 23:20:18< Ivanovic> maybe just try to move those parentheses into the strings instead
20120519 23:20:49< Ivanovic> shadowm: yes, and this is IMO already at too many places, reducing as many of them (as well as leading or ending spaces that got a meaning!) is a good thing (tm)
20120519 23:21:05< Espreon> Ivanovic: The point of those macros is to provide the parentheses and the formatting for convenience.
20120519 23:21:36< Ivanovic> honestly, are those parentheses really required or is the formatting already enough
20120519 23:21:47< Espreon> Who knows?
20120519 23:21:50< shadowm> It would be better to validate translations before committing instead.
20120519 23:21:53< Ivanovic> IMO formatting is enough there, those () around the strings are not required
20120519 23:22:06< Ivanovic> shadowm: and yes, this is the task of the translation maintainers
20120519 23:22:17< shadowm> Or just make sure translators RTM and pay attention to what they are typing.
20120519 23:22:31< Ivanovic> shadowm: dreamer!
20120519 23:22:39< shadowm> I for one always made sure they RTM when I was in charge of the Spanish translation...
20120519 23:22:46< shadowm> ... with only one team member.
20120519 23:23:50< Espreon> Hmmmm... and the formatting might not even be appropriate for some targets.
20120519 23:24:01< Espreon> ... but... how are we supposed to know?
20120519 23:24:02< shadowm> Also, I think parentheses are conventionally used to denote when a character is speaking aside, not just in Wesnoth.
20120519 23:24:50< shadowm> But of course Espreon is better versed on those matters than I am.
20120519 23:25:05< Espreon> Uh oh...
20120519 23:25:22< shadowm> Ivanovic: I edited the 1.10.3 announcement to highlight  the cache fixes at the beginning.
20120519 23:25:54< Ivanovic> okay
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20120519 23:30:27< CIA-61> shadowmaster * r54244 /trunk/src/gui/auxiliary/placer.cpp: (log message trimmed)
20120519 23:30:27< CIA-61> gui2: Prevent "control reaches end of non-void function" warning on gcc 4.7
20120519 23:30:27< CIA-61> This is a quick fix and mordante should review it later.
20120519 23:30:27< CIA-61> gcc 4.7 doesn't seem to be happy with gui2::tplacer_::build()'s switch
20120519 23:30:27< CIA-61> statement and appears to expect more cases despite
20120519 23:30:28< CIA-61> gui2::tplacer_::tgrow_direction doesn't have more members. The warning
20120519 23:30:29< CIA-61> in question:
20120519 23:31:02< CIA-61> shadowmaster * r54245 /trunk/src/addon/ (manager_ui.cpp state.cpp): 
20120519 23:31:02< CIA-61> addon/mg: Include add-on status lines below their titles in the add-ons list
20120519 23:31:02< CIA-61> This replaces the previous color-keyed items approach with color-keyed
20120519 23:31:02< CIA-61> status lines, as well.
20120519 23:31:02< CIA-61> Additionally, tweaked the color-keying logic.
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20120519 23:43:45< Espreon> Hmmmm... I see we talk about both "usernames" and "nicknames"; I'd like to standardize everything to use "username"...
20120519 23:43:55< Espreon> shadowm: Do you have an opinion on this?
20120519 23:45:37< shadowm> Both make sense, but nickname makes more sense that username for the MP lobby.
20120519 23:45:42< shadowm> *than
20120519 23:46:07< shadowm> Username makes more sense for the forums (although there it'd be account name) and "MP accounts" (which are forum accounts).
20120519 23:47:07< Espreon> Hmmmm... ... ... blargh.
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