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Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org 20120506 01:48:43-!- Topic set by Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] [Sun Apr 8 19:18:44 2012] 20120506 01:48:43[Users #wesnoth] 20120506 01:48:43[ [Relic] ] [ Espreon ] [ LanzeS ] [ PolarPanda ] 20120506 01:48:43[ Akihara ] [ fabi_ ] [ lobby ] [ Rhonda ] 20120506 01:48:43[ apoi ] [ felher ] [ loonycyborg ] [ s951 ] 20120506 01:48:43[ Appleman1234 ] [ Gambit ] [ LovCAPONE ] [ shadowm ] 20120506 01:48:43[ chpln ] [ grzywacz ] [ lupine_85 ] [ shadowm_laptop] 20120506 01:48:43[ Crendgrim ] [ Ivanovic ] [ MadMerlin ] [ Smar ] 20120506 01:48:43[ crimson_penguin] [ iwaim ] [ melinath ] [ Tasser ] 20120506 01:48:43[ cyphase ] [ janebot ] [ Mkaysi ] [ vcap ] 20120506 01:48:43[ dkkrg ] [ Jarkko_P ] [ Muad_Dibber_] [ vultraz ] 20120506 01:48:43[ DonTrump ] [ Johannes13_] [ mystic_x ] [ vultraz_laptop] 20120506 01:48:43[ ejls ] [ Keba ] [ namad8 ] [ wesbot ] 20120506 01:48:43[ elias ] [ kernigh ] [ ne0futur ] [ Xjs|moonshine ] 20120506 01:48:43[ Elvish_Pillager] [ knotwork ] [ neofutur ] 20120506 01:48:43[ enchilado ] [ koan ] [ oldtopman ] 20120506 01:48:43-!- Irssi: #wesnoth: Total of 54 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 54 normal] 20120506 01:48:43-!- Home page for #wesnoth: http://www.wesnoth.org 20120506 01:48:49-!- Soliton [~Soliton@wesnoth/developer/soliton] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 01:48:51-!- Channel #wesnoth created Sun Nov 26 07:42:43 2006 20120506 01:49:13-!- Crendgrim [~crend@77-22-112-72-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: ..] 20120506 01:49:16-!- Jarkko_P [~jake@gprs-prointernet-ffdfc200-82.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20120506 01:50:09-!- Irssi: Join to #wesnoth was synced in 93 secs 20120506 02:06:03-!- happygrue [~quassel@c-98-222-183-113.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 02:06:03-!- happygrue [~quassel@c-98-222-183-113.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 20120506 02:06:03-!- happygrue [~quassel@wesnoth/developer/wintermute] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 02:12:51-!- namad8 [aaaaa@c-67-163-246-17.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [] 20120506 02:18:13-!- Johannes13_ [~Johannes@unaffiliated/johannes13] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20120506 02:22:47-!- namad7 [aaaaa@c-67-163-246-17.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 02:27:38-!- PolarPanda [~quassel@unaffiliated/peterporty] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20120506 02:41:56-!- Johannes13 [~Johannes@unaffiliated/johannes13] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 03:29:56-!- enchilado [~enchilado@defocus/yummy/enchilado] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20120506 03:35:03-!- hagabaka [~quassel@unaffiliated/hagabaka] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 03:35:46-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@ppp59-167-222-56.qld.adsl.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20120506 03:36:42-!- Elvish_Pillager [~eli@71-10-229-241.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 257 seconds] 20120506 03:36:50-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@ppp59-167-222-56.qld.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 03:58:03-!- PolarPanda [~quassel@unaffiliated/peterporty] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 04:05:58-!- vultraz_laptop [~chatzilla@124.109.10.221] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20120506 04:22:16-!- LanzeS [~nagisaisd@ip-62-143-171-21.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 20120506 04:26:59-!- danman5550 [180eb7de@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.14.183.222] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 04:27:08< danman5550> anybody on? 20120506 04:27:22< Espreon> No. 20120506 04:27:36< danman5550> ahahah thanks :P can you help me out? 20120506 04:27:43< Espreon> Maybe. What do you need? 20120506 04:27:56< danman5550> help with installing a new faction as an add-on 20120506 04:28:15< Espreon> Uh, sure. Which one? 20120506 04:28:21< Espreon> ... or was this something you just made? 20120506 04:28:38< danman5550> Free Goblins, it's somewhere on the forums. I have the .zip file 20120506 04:29:15< Espreon> Which OS are you using? 20120506 04:29:27< danman5550> Windows 7 20120506 04:29:35< Espreon> Hoo boy... 20120506 04:29:46< danman5550> yeah... 20120506 04:29:59< Espreon> All right. Do you know where your userdata directory is? 20120506 04:30:25< Espreon> ... it'll either be in My Games or in the directory where Wesnoth actually is. 20120506 04:30:38< danman5550> Like in the start menu? 20120506 04:31:24< Espreon> For the former, maybe. 20120506 04:31:29< Espreon> In the latter, no. 20120506 04:31:32< Espreon> *For the 20120506 04:31:55< danman5550> In the start menu, under all programs, there's a folder for Wesnoth 20120506 04:32:05< Espreon> danman5550: Check to see if there's anything Wesnoth-related in My Games. 20120506 04:32:33< danman5550> not in games, but in the same *all programs* place 20120506 04:33:03< Espreon> No no. No Start Menu. 20120506 04:33:16< Espreon> Forget about the Start menu. 20120506 04:33:19< danman5550> Okay. So where? 20120506 04:33:33< Espreon> Either somewhere in My Games or in Program Files. 20120506 04:34:00< danman5550> Program files as in... *%appdata%*? 20120506 04:34:08< shadowm> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/EditingWesnoth#Where_is_my_user_data_directory.3Fd 20120506 04:34:56< danman5550> How do i get to my x: drive? 20120506 04:35:35< Espreon> You probably don't have one. 20120506 04:35:38< Espreon> Look in your C drive. 20120506 04:35:53< shadowm> The X is a placeholder for the correct drive. 20120506 04:35:54< danman5550> Oooh yeah 20120506 04:36:05< Espreon> Note to self: make a Windows 7 VM and make a Q drive. 20120506 04:37:04< shadowm> My Windows 95 system used Q as the drive letter for the CD-ROM drive in the factory configuration for some reason. 20120506 04:37:06< danman5550> I'm in *Program Files (86)* and can't find anything about Wesnoth 20120506 04:37:16-!- Ivanovic_ [~ivanovic@dtmd-4db2b2da.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 04:37:18< shadowm> danman5550: You are supposed ot know where you installed Wesnoth. 20120506 04:37:20< Espreon> shadowm: That's awesome. 20120506 04:37:29< shadowm> If you don't know, check the properties of the Wesnoth shortcut in the start menu. 20120506 04:37:55< shadowm> (Right click on it, choose properties, go to the second tab; there should be an option to see the folder where the target program is.) 20120506 04:38:36< danman5550> Got the Wesnoth folder open now. 20120506 04:40:15< danman5550> What after that? 20120506 04:40:16-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20120506 04:40:54< shadowm> You are then supposed to find the userdata folder. 20120506 04:41:11-!- Ivanovic_ is now known as Ivanovic 20120506 04:41:15< danman5550> Maybe named *data* 20120506 04:41:18< danman5550> ? 20120506 04:41:19< shadowm> NO. 20120506 04:41:29< shadowm> userdata is the user configuration. 20120506 04:41:47< danman5550> There's no userdata folder 20120506 04:42:17< Gambit> userdata is in ~/My Games/Wesnoth 20120506 04:42:25< shadowm> Then your userdata directory is in Documents\My Games\Wesnoth 20120506 04:42:37< danman5550> Wesnoth isn't saved to *my games* 20120506 04:42:50< shadowm> I said Documents, not My games 20120506 04:42:57< danman5550> Wait, nevermind. There's no userdata folder there though 20120506 04:43:04< shadowm> That is the userdata folder. 20120506 04:43:10< shadowm> With a different name and location; that's all. 20120506 04:43:21< danman5550> It's just called data there though? 20120506 04:43:24< shadowm> There should be a data/, cache/ and saves/ folder in there. 20120506 04:43:32< shadowm> In data/ there should be an add-ons/ folder. 20120506 04:43:39< shadowm> That is where the add-on should be extracted to. 20120506 04:44:35< danman5550> Got it. There's another add-on I got from the in-game add-on menu that isn't working currently 20120506 04:44:48< shadowm> What kind of add-on is it? 20120506 04:45:09< danman5550> Another faction. The GUI in-game said *MP faction* 20120506 04:45:13< shadowm> (Just checking, because many novice users don't understand how eras are supposed to be used and just assume they don't work.) 20120506 04:45:19< shadowm> (Also factions.) 20120506 04:45:43< shadowm> So, does it show in the era selector when creating a MP game? (Same screen where you choose the map and options.) 20120506 04:45:45< danman5550> Oh then. This is my first time using add-ons, I thought it'd be as easy as Minecraft mods 20120506 04:46:32< shadowm> Uh, Minecraft mods aren't very easy to use without an automatic patcher/loader/whatever. 20120506 04:46:58< danman5550> I figured it out by using the .jar files, and I thought it was pretty easy 20120506 04:47:01< shadowm> Wesnoth add-ons (unless they are resource/media packs) generally work out of the box without any manual configuration, _if_ you know how to use them correctly. 20120506 04:47:18< danman5550> It shows in the era selector, can I use both factions at once? 20120506 04:47:52< shadowm> You can only use different factions in the same multiplayer game if they are set-up to work in the same era you chose. 20120506 04:48:09< shadowm> That's up to the era's author. 20120506 04:48:26-!- lupine_85 [~lupine_85@unaffiliated/lupine-85/x-7392152] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20120506 04:48:38< danman5550> I'm just running a local game to test. It gives me a few options, but none with Goblins and Nightmare in it 20120506 04:50:07< danman5550> So I guess they won't work together? 20120506 04:50:24< shadowm> Probably not. 20120506 04:50:37< danman5550> meh... oh well... 20120506 04:52:38< Gambit> How exactly would you expect that to work though? 20120506 04:52:50< Gambit> The two authors would have to collude to get their factions balanced against each other. 20120506 04:53:06< danman5550> Don't really know. It's just another faction. Why would it need to balance? 20120506 04:53:29< Gambit> So that in multiplayer you don't have one faction that is inarguably superior 20120506 04:54:13< danman5550> But wouldn't the game give me the option anyways? It wouldn't know how OP one faction is 20120506 04:54:33< Gambit> That actually would be nice. 20120506 04:54:40< Gambit> The ability to combine multiple eras. 20120506 04:54:47< Gambit> But it wouldn't be balanced at all. 20120506 04:55:09< Gambit> Eras are collections of factions on their own though. 20120506 04:55:32< danman5550> Ahh. Is ther any way for me to edit the two factions so they'd work together? 20120506 04:55:38< shadowm> Then the game would presumablty display a warning so that players are made aware that they are breaking everything that way. 20120506 04:55:45< Gambit> You'd have to learn enough WML to make a hybrid era. 20120506 04:55:48< shadowm> *presumably 20120506 04:56:18< danman5550> Uggh. I probably can't do that 20120506 04:56:41< Gambit> You'd have to copy all the files into one folder and then edit the era definition file for one of the add-ons and the _main.cfg 20120506 04:57:06< Gambit> danman5550: Do you have any previous programming or computer logic experience? 20120506 04:57:36< danman5550> I can program in TI-BASIC :P 20120506 04:57:48< Gambit> WML is a sexy-easy language. 20120506 04:58:10< Gambit> And actually this particular task is more configuration editing than anything. 20120506 04:58:15< danman5550> I could probably figure it out in a bit, but I'd need help with it. 20120506 04:58:49< danman5550> CTCP time? 20120506 04:59:02< Gambit> Seeing what timezone you're in :) 20120506 04:59:04-!- horon [~horon@nttkyo216070.tkyo.nt.ngn2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 04:59:11< Gambit> I'm going to bed, but I can maybe help you out tomorrow. 20120506 04:59:15-!- lupine_85 [~lupine_85@lupine.me.uk] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 04:59:23< danman5550> ahh, i should be going to bed too soon 20120506 05:00:01< Gambit> Of course, anyone you wanted to play with would probably need this hybrid era too 20120506 05:00:12< Gambit> Or... maybe we can get it working so that they only need the two separate eras... 20120506 05:00:29< danman5550> Maybe. How big are the files? 20120506 05:00:51< Gambit> I don't know :P You're the one who downloaded these add-ons and want them to work together 20120506 05:01:03< Gambit> I hardly play this game anymore :( 20120506 05:01:34< danman5550> It's like 1.5 MB, not bad for two of them 20120506 05:01:59< Gambit> You're on Wesnoth 1.10.x right? 20120506 05:02:04< Gambit> And both these add-ons work? 20120506 05:02:39< danman5550> Just got the newest one, and they both work individually 20120506 05:02:55< Gambit> cool 20120506 05:03:21< Gambit> Well then I'll try to help you tomorrow :) 20120506 05:04:00< Gambit> It could be as simple as making a new add-on that suggest/requires those two and defines an era with all their factions. 20120506 05:04:15< danman5550> What timezone are you in? That could work 20120506 05:05:24-!- Pete-Flux [~quassel@unaffiliated/peterporty] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 05:07:30< Gambit> Eastern 20120506 05:07:33< Gambit> Oh I just remembered 20120506 05:07:36< Gambit> Ageless Era... 20120506 05:07:49< Gambit> danman5550: Might want to check out this add-on called Ageless Era. 20120506 05:07:55< Gambit> It has ALL the factions :< 20120506 05:08:08< danman5550> All the factions? Btw, i'm in Central 20120506 05:10:38< Gambit> Mhm. CTCP TIME asks your IRC client what time it is for you :) 20120506 05:10:55-!- horon [~horon@nttkyo216070.tkyo.nt.ngn2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20120506 05:11:12< danman5550> Where's the download link for Ageless Era. It looks sweet! 20120506 05:11:20-!- horon_ [~horon@nttkyo216070.tkyo.nt.ngn2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 05:11:28< Gambit> danman5550: the add-on server 20120506 05:11:32< Gambit> From the main menu of the game 20120506 05:11:53< Gambit> It's unbalanced as a see-saw of course. 20120506 05:12:42< danman5550> Would it be easy for me to go into the txt files and balance some out on my own? 20120506 05:13:20< Gambit> Yes and no. 20120506 05:13:30< Gambit> Editing the files is straight forward. 20120506 05:13:37< Gambit> But balancing is incredibly hard. 20120506 05:14:01< danman5550> It'd be a crapton of playtesting? 20120506 05:14:06< Gambit> And the more variables you throw in (number of units) the harder it gets. 20120506 05:14:31< Gambit> danman5550: Wesnoth is about a decade old and our 6 main factions are *still* undergoing slight changes to perfect their balance 20120506 05:14:51< danman5550> Dang! 20120506 05:14:53< Gambit> I think ageless era has around 40 factions 20120506 05:15:30< Gambit> Balancing is black magic I'll never understand. 20120506 05:16:39< Gambit> The more variables you throw in, the harder it gets. 20120506 05:16:45< danman5550> We'll figure some stuff out tomorrow? 20120506 05:16:50< Gambit> And the design of the maps is a big factor. 20120506 05:17:10< Gambit> danman5550: I can help you make a hybrid era. I can't help you balance it. 20120506 05:17:11< Gambit> :) 20120506 05:17:20< danman5550> That'll work. 20120506 05:17:48< Gambit> Ageless era might already have the factions from the eras you want to combine though, and lots of people already have it installed. 20120506 05:18:21< danman5550> I'll check later. If not, we can try and combine them. Time for bed now though. Tomorrow? 20120506 05:18:32< Gambit> Night :) 20120506 05:18:37-!- danman5550 [180eb7de@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.14.183.222] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20120506 05:27:32-!- ancestral [~ancestral@65-128-236-41.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 05:29:24-!- PetePorty [~quassel@unaffiliated/peterporty] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 05:39:32-!- enchilado [~enchilado@defocus/yummy/enchilado] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 05:45:08-!- Johannes13 [~Johannes@unaffiliated/johannes13] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20120506 05:52:20-!- PetePorty [~quassel@unaffiliated/peterporty] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20120506 06:20:28-!- kernigh [~chatzilla@wikibooks/Kernigh] has quit [Quit: #quit] 20120506 06:44:17-!- oldtopman [~oldtopman@unaffiliated/oldtopman] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20120506 06:52:51-!- dkkrg [~dkkrg@opt-115-30-211-251.client.pikara.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: おちくらげ] 20120506 06:56:48-!- Gambit [~gambit@wesnoth/developer/grickit] has 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I got more problems now 20120506 19:54:20-!- mystic_x [~X@unaffiliated/mysticx] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20120506 19:56:41-!- mystic_x [~X@unaffiliated/mysticx] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 20:00:10-!- matthiaskrgr [geekbounce@72.29.68.157] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 20:12:45-!- matthiaskrgr [geekbounce@72.29.68.157] has quit [Quit: GeekBouncer - http://geekbouncer.co.uk] 20120506 20:14:27-!- ancestral [~ancestral@65-128-236-41.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: ancestral] 20120506 20:15:09< danman5550> does anyone have the Infection Age? 20120506 20:22:54-!- happygrue_ [~quassel@c-98-222-183-113.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 20:22:54-!- happygrue_ [~quassel@c-98-222-183-113.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 20120506 20:22:54-!- happygrue_ [~quassel@wesnoth/developer/wintermute] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 20:25:57-!- happygrue [~quassel@wesnoth/developer/wintermute] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20120506 20:26:42-!- neXyon [~neXyon@84-119-56-54.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 20:33:56< danman5550> So... Is anyone on that could help me with changing a unit's specs? 20120506 20:34:53-!- gm15301 [~quassel@193-168.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 20:35:51-!- gm15301 [~quassel@193-168.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20120506 20:37:18-!- vultraz_laptop [~chatzilla@124.109.10.221] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 20:38:47-!- Unnheulu [~ieuan@host86-186-134-63.range86-186.btcentralplus.com] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 20:40:33-!- gm15301 [~quassel@193-168.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 20:40:43-!- gm15301 [~quassel@193-168.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20120506 20:41:08-!- gm15301 [~quassel@193-168.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 20:57:45< shadowm> danman5550: potentially. Depends on what needs to be changed. 20120506 20:58:50< danman5550> Pretty much everything. I'd be using already existent abilities, changing attack values, all stats, but adding nothing new to the game. 20120506 21:00:58< shadowm> I can only recommend the WML documentation in the wiki, unfortunately. I'm kind of busy. 20120506 21:02:03< danman5550> Yeah, that's fine for now. Can you give me a link? The pages are unorganized at best (at least to me) 20120506 21:03:50< shadowm> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/ReferenceWML ; in particular, unit type definitions (the [unit_type] tag and its children) are explained in http://wiki.wesnoth.org/UnitTypeWML . Also note that these are reference pages, not tutorials; however, seeing as you are working with preexistent units, they might still be useful. 20120506 21:04:12< danman5550> Probably. Thanks. 20120506 21:06:24< zookeeper> ReferenceWML is your best friend whenever you need to write/modify any WML 20120506 21:06:44< danman5550> Bookmarked :P 20120506 21:10:37< danman5550> Do you have to change the names in the unit file and the race file? 20120506 21:11:30< shadowm> Depends on what you are planning to do with your modifications. 20120506 21:11:53< danman5550> What I said above [13:58] 20120506 21:12:17< shadowm> That describes the modifications, not what you are going to do with them. :p 20120506 21:12:27< shadowm> (i.e. distribute, test locally, or test with other people?) 20120506 21:12:56< danman5550> Ohh, i read that wrong. Probably locally, because I'm modifying someone else's files, and I'm not respriting 20120506 21:13:44< shadowm> Yeah, and the other thing is that if you have two networked clients with the same era, but different stats for the same unit types, terrible things can happen. 20120506 21:14:04< danman5550> Yeah, so I probably won't distribute it at all 20120506 21:14:12< shadowm> Anyway, you don't really need to change unit type ids unless you do happen to have the same era or another one installed providing the same unit type with the same id. 20120506 21:14:49< danman5550> So which file don't I change, the one with all of the units, or the unit-specific one? 20120506 21:16:04< shadowm> I assume there are individual files with the [unit_type] tag and its contents per the convention. If you don't change the id for a given unit type there, you don't need to change it anywhere. The inverse also applies (if you change the id there, you'll want to change it everywhere else if it's referenced.) 20120506 21:17:01< danman5550> Okay, cool 20120506 21:19:36< danman5550> Ahh.. Crap. Can you access the files for the Default factions? 20120506 21:23:38-!- deekay [~dk@wesnoth/developer/dragonking] has quit [Quit: deekay] 20120506 21:25:34-!- vultraz_laptop [~chatzilla@124.109.10.221] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20120506 21:25:37< shadowm> danman5550: Yes, of course. They can be found in data/core/units in the game's data directory ( http://wiki.wesnoth.org/EditingWesnoth#Where_is_my_game_data_directory.3F ) 20120506 21:26:00< shadowm> Editing them will break multiplayer, though. 20120506 21:26:52< shadowm> Well, for stat changes, anyway. Animations and descriptions are exempt from network synchronization issues. 20120506 21:27:00< danman5550> I did this yesterday, and I couldn't find the directory in either (x86) or just Program Files 20120506 21:29:36< danman5550> Nvm, found it in Properties 20120506 21:29:38-!- danman5550 [180eb7de@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.14.183.222] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20120506 21:47:33-!- Gambit [~gambit@wesnoth/developer/grickit] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20120506 21:48:26-!- Gambit [~gambit@wesnoth/developer/grickit] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 21:53:29-!- JackBauer24 [~JackBauer@178-73-43-6.home.aster.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20120506 21:55:34-!- Unnheulu [~ieuan@host86-186-134-63.range86-186.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20120506 21:55:41-!- matthiaskrgr [geekbounce@72.29.68.157] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 22:05:44-!- Haldrik [~haldrik@unaffiliated/haldrik] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20120506 22:18:20-!- s951 [~s951@dyn1064-176.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 22:38:13-!- Unnheulu [~ieuan@host86-147-251-8.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 22:47:31-!- gm15301 [~quassel@193-168.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20120506 22:48:57-!- Crendgrim [~crend@77-22-112-72-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: ...+] 20120506 22:56:03-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@ppp59-167-222-56.qld.adsl.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20120506 22:57:31-!- s951 [~s951@dyn1064-176.hor.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20120506 23:05:39-!- negusnyul [~negusnyul@dsl4E5CCC99.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20120506 23:06:50-!- Nitrobakter [~Nitrobakt@bez138.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Wychodzi] 20120506 23:10:31-!- torbenbeta [~TorbenBet@p3EE2A9B1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 23:10:43-!- torbenbeta [~TorbenBet@p3EE2A9B1.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #wesnoth [] 20120506 23:13:05-!- hagabaka [~quassel@cblmdm24-53-178-92.buckeyecom.net] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 23:13:17-!- hagabaka [~quassel@cblmdm24-53-178-92.buckeyecom.net] has quit [Changing host] 20120506 23:13:17-!- hagabaka [~quassel@unaffiliated/hagabaka] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 23:19:12-!- JackBauer24 [~JackBauer@178-73-43-6.home.aster.pl] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 23:20:55-!- Haldrik [~haldrik@unaffiliated/haldrik] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 23:26:08-!- ancestral [~ancestral@174-20-178-141.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth 20120506 23:26:39-!- Unnheulu [~ieuan@host86-147-251-8.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20120506 23:36:40-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20120506 23:41:36-!- ancestral [~ancestral@174-20-178-141.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: i go sleeps kthxbai] 20120506 23:44:18-!- Vorpal [~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20120506 23:51:56-!- JackBauer24 [~JackBauer@178-73-43-6.home.aster.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] --- Log closed Mon May 07 00:00:32 2012