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20120520 03:52:28< Ulfsark> Hey can anybody tell me how to display an image over the map? Similar to the signpost in the fist heir to the throne scenario but without it flashing?
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20120520 10:13:27< Ivanovic> moin
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20120520 12:15:05< Alluton> Isn't Legend of Wesmere no longer 2 player playable?
20120520 12:16:56< Alluton> Atleast it doesn't appear on my multiplayer maps.
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20120520 13:10:07-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth to: Wesnoth User Channel | http://www.wesnoth.org/ | Social channel: #wesnoth-offtopic | Latest stable version: 1.10.3 | Public IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20120520 18:10:02< janebot> Twitter: @Wesnoth: Wesnoth 1.10.3 (stable update) released: http://t.co/qLJWlhVW [ May-20-2012 16:06 ] [ http://tinyurl.com/6qmqvof ]
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20120520 21:23:47< daveo> noobie question here: i downloaded and compiled 1.10.2 using scons build=debug wesnoth campaignd and then scons install all, typing wesnoth on command line doesnot start
20120520 21:24:00< daveo> i'm on ubuntu and it gives me a source to download
20120520 21:24:47< daveo> when i go to the wesnoth directory, i can see wesnoth-debug executable, but ./wesnoth shows no file
20120520 21:25:12< Crendgrim> then don't do build=debug if you don't want to get a debug executable..
20120520 21:25:12< shadowm> Did you pass build=debug on purpose? That gets you a debug build with full debug symbols named wesnoth-debug.
20120520 21:25:42< shadowm> Most players want build=release instead, which is optimized (faster and smaller) and doesn't get the -debug suffix.
20120520 21:26:26< daveo> so should i remove anything first before doing build=release?
20120520 21:26:51< daveo> note the build=debug was from the INSTALL file suggestion or example
20120520 21:27:34< shadowm> It's an example, yes.
20120520 21:27:58< shadowm> You might want to uninstall it (sudo scons uninstall) first, I guess.
20120520 21:28:19< kernigh> Why bother with build=release?
20120520 21:28:28< kernigh> Perhaps you can just symlink wesnoth to wesnoth-debug, and use wesnoth-debug as wesnoth.
20120520 21:28:37< Espreon> ... But it'll be slower...
20120520 21:28:40< shadowm> Or run wesnoth-debug, but that's not the point.
20120520 21:28:58< shadowm> Debug builds are not optimized, and thus are much slower and larger.
20120520 21:29:19< shadowm> Most players who aren't chasing a bug for us don't really need them.
20120520 21:30:31< daveo> ok, i'll do the sudo scons uninstall first then scons build=release will this place an executable in my path so wesnoth at cmdline will work?
20120520 21:31:45< shadowm> Well, if you want to be in your path (e.g. /usr/local/bin), you will need to install it. I'm just saying it's not necessary to install Wesnoth to run it provided you can use the command line or craete a desktop/menu shortcut accordingly.
20120520 21:32:58< shadowm> *want it to
20120520 21:34:29< daveo> thank you for your help
20120520 21:35:43< loonycyborg> daveo: Generally just running 'scons' should be enough to build it. When built wesnoth could be run right from there with './wesnoth'
20120520 21:36:30< loonycyborg> 'sudo scons install' after that will install it at /usr/local
20120520 21:36:46< daveo> i think maybe the install file might be a bit more clear on this, but that's probably because i'm dense
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20120520 21:37:03< shadowm> The INSTALL file is a wreck.
20120520 21:37:15< loonycyborg> Then it'll be runnable from any dir assuming '/usr/local/bin' is in path.
20120520 21:37:41< daveo> loonycyborg, good that's what i'd like
20120520 21:40:17< loonycyborg> Actually, I guess if I'll add simpler examples there people will be less likely to blindly copy/paste commands with build=debug
20120520 21:41:40< daveo> maybe a default "dummy" install method and then a section for devs/hackers
20120520 21:43:03< kernigh> I use CMake to build wesnoth... does everyone else use scons?
20120520 21:43:39< Rhonda> I think I 
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20120520 21:44:19< shadowm> I don't really understand why people use cmake at all if INSTALL contains more information on scons than cmake.
20120520 21:44:47< shadowm> Or more generally, why someone decided to be lazy and let people figure out how to use cmake by themselves instead of providing actual documentation.
20120520 21:44:53< kernigh> It happens that I am familiar with CMake (that is, I know how to write CMakeLists.txt files).
20120520 21:45:35< kernigh> It *might* make sense to remove the CMake build system and just have scons. I feel that the CMake build system is underused.
20120520 21:45:58< kernigh> First, as we already said, INSTALL (or whatever the file's name was) barely mentions CMake.
20120520 21:46:15< shadowm> You are quite wrong in that regard.
20120520 21:46:20< shadowm> The _release manager_ uses cmake. :)
20120520 21:46:27< kernigh> ...
20120520 21:46:32< shadowm> The Debian packager does as well.
20120520 21:46:39< shadowm> Also a bunch of other developers.
20120520 21:47:00< shadowm> As I said, the INSTALL issue is just a symptom of laziness.
20120520 21:48:25< kernigh> Second, when I first used CMake, the build failed. Though this is probably because I used CMake on OpenBSD.
20120520 21:48:58< kernigh> I sent in some patch, and now CMake works (at least, for me).
20120520 21:49:07< shadowm> Well, most of us are on Linux, one on Windows, and one on Mac OS X.
20120520 21:49:58< kernigh> OpenBSD has headers in weird places, and if someone forgets to check pkg-config something --cflags, stuff tends to not build.
20120520 21:50:00< shadowm> Wesnoth breaking on other systems we don't use/test is par for the course.
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20120520 21:53:50< kernigh> It is good to know that I am not the only CMake user.
20120520 21:56:55< Rhonda> Nope, you aren't, and I did get something fixed too.
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