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20120531 01:50:20< A_Guy> So guys, I'm working on a new scenario/era and I need some ideas.
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20120531 01:50:48< A_Guy> That is, I need some ideas for spells.
20120531 01:51:05< A_Guy> I've been spending the past weekend up to today on the scenario, getting all the basic mechanics into place.
20120531 01:51:49< A_Guy> Generating a new spell each turn, spells ending up in a discard pile after you use them, mana, spells countering other spells, etc.
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20120531 01:54:09< Nobun> (it sounds like magic the gathering but I am afraid I cannot help you)
20120531 01:54:24< Nobun> good night all
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20120531 04:55:03< janebot> Twitter: @Wesnoth: RT @shikadilord: Shadowmaster’s Blog: Upcoming add-on management UI changes in @Wesnoth 1.11.0 http://t.co/FfJMamYf [ May-31-2012 02:52 ] [ http://tinyurl.com/7jcsc8x ]
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20120531 05:04:30< ArmOrAttAk> i remember when you could open a wesnoth mods text files and just hand edit without a reference book
20120531 05:14:50< ancestral> ArmOrAttAk: You can't still?
20120531 05:18:36< ArmOrAttAk> nope
20120531 05:26:22< Hulavuta> Hey...have you guys seen this new member, wsx11?
20120531 05:26:28< Hulavuta> he seems like a really swell guy
20120531 05:27:04< Hulavuta> aww he's gone already T_T
20120531 05:27:49< ArmOrAttAk> forum member?
20120531 05:28:38< Hulavuta> ArmOrAttAk: Spambot or spam person
20120531 05:28:47< Hulavuta> promoting his escort service
20120531 05:28:54< Hulavuta> or something like that
20120531 05:29:04< ArmOrAttAk> ah
20120531 05:29:43< Hulavuta> something like New York Asian Escort Service 
20120531 05:30:03< Hulavuta> can't check now since they were deleted so quickly :D
20120531 05:30:12< ArmOrAttAk> darn
20120531 05:30:44< Hulavuta> Now I can't hire one of his escorts?
20120531 05:30:48< Hulavuta> jk
20120531 05:30:57< Hulavuta> also that ? should've been a ! facepalm
20120531 05:40:19< ArmOrAttAk> i just created a game
20120531 05:40:26< ArmOrAttAk> on the server
20120531 05:40:56< ArmOrAttAk> in france or somewhere else
20120531 05:41:21< ArmOrAttAk> Hulavuta: 
20120531 05:41:34< Hulavuta> ArmOrAttAk: You want me to join?
20120531 05:42:16< Hulavuta> Unfortunately I am in the U.S. and it's almost midnight and I am gonna go to sleep
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20120531 05:42:33< ArmOrAttAk> aw
20120531 05:43:47< Hulavuta> maybe tomorrow
20120531 05:44:08< ArmOrAttAk> i'm in the us too
20120531 05:44:33< ArmOrAttAk> you ever hear a european or aussie talk like this?
20120531 05:44:58< ArmOrAttAk> we have FREEDOM in the USA
20120531 05:45:05 * ArmOrAttAk high five
20120531 05:45:21< Hulavuta> I thought you were in France T_T
20120531 05:45:37< noy> ...
20120531 05:45:56< Hulavuta> I'm sorry, I must've missed something :-[
20120531 05:46:19< Hulavuta> ArmOrAttAk: 
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20120531 05:46:59< ArmOrAttAk> what?
20120531 05:47:18< Hulavuta> I thought you were in France
20120531 05:47:30< Hulavuta> you were saying something about starting a game in france or something like that
20120531 05:48:24< Hulavuta> ArmOrAttAk: So that's why I was confused
20120531 05:50:52< Espreon> My God...
20120531 05:51:31< ArmOrAttAk> the server is in france
20120531 05:51:42< shadowm> What server?
20120531 05:51:50< Hulavuta> Espreon: What I do this time T_T
20120531 05:51:51< ArmOrAttAk> the official wesnoth server
20120531 05:51:55< shadowm> It is not.
20120531 05:52:06< ArmOrAttAk> where is it?
20120531 05:52:14< shadowm> Does it matter?
20120531 05:52:18< ArmOrAttAk> look up the ip
20120531 05:52:23< ArmOrAttAk> it is in france
20120531 05:52:41< shadowm> Still isn't.
20120531 05:52:53< shadowm> You must be assuming the DNS registration and the machine are one and the same or something.
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20120531 05:54:40< Espreon> Hulavuta: Who knows?
20120531 05:54:54< Hulavuta> Espreon: Once again, I assumed you did since you're the one saying it T_T
20120531 05:54:54< ArmOrAttAk> yeah i failed to consider a multinational LAN
20120531 05:55:10< shadowm> No, you failed to consider that the IP isn't directly connected to the DNS provider.
20120531 05:55:23< shadowm> According to host, "server.wesnoth.org has address 65.18.193.12".
20120531 05:55:34< ArmOrAttAk> why are you talking about dns provider?
20120531 05:55:36< shadowm> You can easily do a whois look up on that and figure out the correct country.
20120531 05:55:58< ArmOrAttAk> i can lookup the ip to do that
20120531 05:56:20< ArmOrAttAk> you don't know where servers are located with a whois dmbass
20120531 05:56:30< Espreon> Hoo boy...
20120531 05:56:40< shadowm> You do know I am a server admin, right?
20120531 05:56:49< ArmOrAttAk> no
20120531 05:56:50< shadowm> I can tell you the whois information there is correct.
20120531 05:56:53< ArmOrAttAk> i don't
20120531 05:57:01< shadowm> If you can't use whois that's your business.
20120531 06:00:31< Hulavuta> aww, things were just about to get interesting
20120531 06:01:08< Hulavuta> wow it is officially tomorrow
20120531 06:04:16< ArmOrAttAk> Registrant City:Lyon
20120531 06:04:16< ArmOrAttAk> Registrant State/Province:
20120531 06:04:16< ArmOrAttAk> Registrant Postal Code:69003
20120531 06:04:17< ArmOrAttAk> Registrant Country:FR
20120531 06:04:37< shadowm> You went and whoised the DNS provider.
20120531 06:04:44< Espreon> ArmOrAttAk: And why do you care about this?
20120531 06:07:08< ArmOrAttAk> used to be tux-family or something like that
20120531 06:07:32< shadowm> If you whois for wesnoth.org you'll get the information registered with the DNS provider as well.
20120531 06:07:52< shadowm> I said you should look up the IP, not the name.
20120531 06:07:59< ArmOrAttAk> that is the output of whois wesnoth.org
20120531 06:08:16< shadowm> Again, look up the IP, not the name.
20120531 06:09:31< Hulavuta> ok...this was fun but i am going to sleep
20120531 06:09:43< ArmOrAttAk> that just shows who owns the ip block
20120531 06:09:50< Hulavuta> night all
20120531 06:09:55< ArmOrAttAk> nn
20120531 06:10:03< shadowm> And the owner happens to be our hosting provider.
20120531 06:10:27< ArmOrAttAk> so it's not in france anymore
20120531 06:10:50< shadowm> Not since some time before the Great Crash of 2008.
20120531 06:11:14< ArmOrAttAk> that makes it a bit less,,, exotic
20120531 06:12:00< ArmOrAttAk> but less prone to eavesdropping
20120531 06:12:36< ArmOrAttAk> what happened to tux-family?
20120531 06:15:43< shadowm> I wasn't around at that time.
20120531 06:16:51< shadowm> One of the alternate MP servers (server3.w.o) is hosted by them.
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20120531 09:36:29< ancestral> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=530184#p530184
20120531 09:39:55< ancestral> But ancestral, you say, WINR
20120531 09:40:49< ancestral> In which case, I would reply by saying yeah, you really didn’t get it
20120531 09:40:55< ancestral> :-P
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20120531 10:18:30< blarumyrran> Most of WINR seems to have to do with villages, gold & recruitment
20120531 10:24:25 * shadowm wonders what the hell ancestral's funky formatting looks like with his client.
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20120531 12:48:11< vultraz_laptop> hey blarumyrran 
20120531 12:48:28< blarumyrran> do I know you?
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20120531 12:51:04< vultraz_laptop> er, no :P I'm just wondering if you were the guy who made the dark hive floor base images (the ones in IftU and AtS)
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20120531 12:51:39< blarumyrran> yes
20120531 12:52:24< blarumyrran> it's hideous; I was just testing out Sgt Groovy's tiling-squareshaped-texture to tiling-hexshaped-texture method
20120531 12:56:38< blarumyrran> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Turning_Square_Tiles_into_Hex this!
20120531 12:56:44< vultraz_laptop> they look great to me, but apparently shadowm agrees with you that they're hideous
20120531 12:58:00< blarumyrran> Well iftu is a bad campaign so it fits nicely there
20120531 12:59:02< vultraz_laptop> lol
20120531 13:06:14< vultraz_laptop> blarumyrran: I was trying to make a glowing road terrain...but it sucks: http://imagebin.org/214579 (the one on the left) wondering if you had any advice on how to make it not suck.
20120531 13:07:00< blarumyrran> ... "glowing road"?
20120531 13:07:21< vultraz_laptop> er
20120531 13:07:24< vultraz_laptop> glowing floor
20120531 13:07:45< vultraz_laptop> like light escaping from the cracks between the flagstones
20120531 13:08:50< blarumyrran> so something that would look like lava, but blue?
20120531 13:09:04< blarumyrran> (I mean, the core lava terrain images in wesnoth)
20120531 13:09:25< vultraz_laptop> er, yeah. glowing, purple light
20120531 13:09:33< blarumyrran> If you're lazy how about just hueshifting lava?
20120531 13:09:57< blarumyrran> and maybe lessening contrast & saturation
20120531 13:10:17< blarumyrran> huh, I just noticed
20120531 13:11:05< blarumyrran> I've started using "and" and "&" so that when used in the same sentence, "&" binds more strongly than "and"
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20120531 13:12:04< vultraz_laptop> lol
20120531 13:12:19< vultraz_laptop> so you're saying, hue-shift lava and stick the road on top?
20120531 13:13:15< blarumyrran> just hue-shift lava & the only way it will differ from road is that the tiles are less regular, but then again, eg one road terrain in wesnoth does have exactly such irregular stone tiles
20120531 13:13:33< blarumyrran> (by tiles I mean the tiny "single slab of stone" pieces, not hex tiles)
20120531 13:14:55< blarumyrran> then again, I guess there is precedent - eg if the very common company name format of "Xman&sons/partners/Yman" is used in a sentence with "and", then the "&" will work as binding more strongly than the "and"
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20120531 13:15:29< blarumyrran> the opposite is much less common - that "and" would be part of a company name, and "&" would form the sentence structure
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20120531 14:01:09< Nobun> I am trying to play wesnoth from fluxbox
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20120531 14:01:23< Nobun> but if I play any button it does not work]
20120531 14:03:01< Nobun> any idea?
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20120531 17:47:05< _jay> Hey all, I'm trying to unravel the unit code a bit, and I feel like I am missing something- in the files under data/core/units there are parts that are missing, like defense ratings, terrain movement costs, etc. Where are those things kept?
20120531 17:49:38< zookeeper> in data/core/units.cfg
20120531 17:49:47< zookeeper> they're in the movetype definitions
20120531 17:50:57< _jay> ok, is there a reference to what the movetype definitions are? http://wiki.wesnoth.org/WML_Templates#Unit_files  is the closest I've found to seing a listing of them, but no details are provided
20120531 17:52:42< _jay> ah I see what you were getting at, found them
20120531 17:52:53< zookeeper> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/ReferenceWML -> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/UnitsWML
20120531 17:53:49< zookeeper> nothing prevents you from simply defining the movement/defense/resistance of each unit in the [unit_type] directly, but it's a whole lot more convenient to do most of it with movetypes
20120531 17:53:55< _jay> at the same time I can put defense tags into a unit and it will respect those parameters
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20120531 17:55:59< zookeeper> yeah. put the baseline stats of each race or whatever into a movetype, and if a specific unit needs some small changes, do it in the [unit_type]. for example how elvish fighter and archer are both of the woodland movetype but the archer has 70% in forests
20120531 17:56:31< _jay> are the attacks set up the same way, as in hit percentage, etc
20120531 18:02:40< zookeeper> no, they're always unittype-specific
20120531 18:02:59< zookeeper> and there's no hit percentages (except for magical and marksman), only defense percentages
20120531 18:05:09< _jay> ok hanks for the info :)
20120531 18:05:15< _jay> thanks*
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20120531 18:36:15< Nobun> hi all
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20120531 18:38:28< Nobun> I added fluxbox on my slackware 13.37...... but if I use fluxbox and I launch wesnoth 1.10.3 (compiled from source) -> there isn't any button that actually work
20120531 18:38:46< Nobun> while it runs correctly on xfce4, for example
20120531 18:38:59< Nobun> anyone has an idea about it?
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20120531 18:47:55< Hulavuta> ◥▶̸̱◀◤
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20120531 19:24:59< Espreon> Nobun: And I assume the terminal doesn't give you anything interesting... do I assume correctly?
20120531 19:25:24< Nobun> well
20120531 19:25:28< Nobun> the strange thing
20120531 19:25:57< Nobun> is that wesnoth doesn't have this problem on xfce4 or kde, but on fluxbox
20120531 19:26:44< Nobun> I didn't watch at terminal becouse it is not a thing that happens on the other 2 window manger I mentioned
20120531 19:27:10< Espreon> Try launching it from the terminal in Fluxbox and see if it tells you anything... interesting.
20120531 19:27:28< Nobun> well I will try (now I am on windows)
20120531 19:27:34< Espreon> ... I really don't know what could be causing it.
20120531 19:27:45< Nobun> yeah me too
20120531 19:27:55< Nobun> it is really really strange thing
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20120531 21:07:22< bumbadadabum_> nick bumbadadabum is already taken on this server...
20120531 21:11:10< Crendgrim> didn't you register it?
20120531 21:11:27< Crendgrim> actually.. it is.
20120531 21:11:58< loonycyborg> If you have it registered you can just ghost the guy :P
20120531 21:12:15< Crendgrim> funny thing is that I just saw the other bumbadadabum writing.
20120531 21:12:39< bumbadadabum_> dafuq
20120531 21:12:58< bumbadadabum_> I just see mine in the list.
20120531 21:13:08< Crendgrim> not in this channel.
20120531 21:13:26< bumbadadabum_> On shadowm I am bumbadadabum yeah
20120531 21:13:33< bumbadadabum_> but
20120531 21:13:38< bumbadadabum_> this isn't shadowm
20120531 21:14:02< bumbadadabum_> or chat.freenode.net
20120531 21:14:15< loonycyborg> There can be only one person with particular nick on an irc network.
20120531 21:14:32< bumbadadabum_> irc network?
20120531 21:14:38< bumbadadabum_> not just a server?
20120531 21:14:43< Crendgrim> network.
20120531 21:15:08< bumbadadabum_> So there can be only 1 bumbadadabum on this computer?
20120531 21:15:22< blarumyrran> :o
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20120531 21:15:46< Crendgrim> on Freenode, yes
20120531 21:16:06< bumbadadabum_> but this is irc.wesnoth.org
20120531 21:16:20< Crendgrim> ...
20120531 21:16:28 * blarumyrran suspects bumbadadabum_ is trolling
20120531 21:16:31< Crendgrim> that's only a redirect...
20120531 21:16:35< loonycyborg> Pretty sure that wesnoth.org doesn't run irc.
20120531 21:16:41< bumbadadabum_> ok
20120531 21:16:43< bumbadadabum_> I get it then
20120531 21:16:48< Crendgrim> haha :D
20120531 21:17:21< bumbadadabum_> blarumyrran, I'm just not that good with this kind of stuff
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20120531 21:30:02< blarumyrran> Is there a reason why wesnoth graphics/audio asset contributors are only asked to accept the gpl-ing of the contributions? There could be a package of licenses, eg GPL + CC-something, that the contibutor would have to confirm for pieces not based on previous GPL-only pieces (I do not think the considerations a contributor has towards gpl+CC-something are different from the considerations he has towards gpl only). So in time, a directory of be
20120531 21:30:02< blarumyrran> tter licensed wesnoth assets would build up, and the authors of the previous assets could be bugged to approve that CC-something as well for old assets; and perhaps one day in the distant future a switch could be made of the in-game assets to CC-something?
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20120531 21:30:45< blarumyrran> of course it would be a slow process
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20120531 21:42:26< blarumyrran> I guess the forums are a better place for asking that
20120531 21:43:45< bumbadadabum_> version 1.0.2 of the Aragwaithi yay!
20120531 21:48:54< shadowm> blarumyrran: No, it isn't a better place for asking that.
20120531 21:49:02< blarumyrran> why is that?
20120531 21:49:10< shadowm> Because everyone gets emotional about licenses.
20120531 21:50:12< blarumyrran> I do not see any downsides to this, other than slightly longer "do you understand & agree" speeches to potential contributors
20120531 21:50:16< shadowm> Furthermore, that falls under the Posting Guidelines point 4c.
20120531 21:51:37< blarumyrran> I do not see how the point 4c in the Posting Guidelines would precent a discussion of this
20120531 21:51:41< blarumyrran> prevent*
20120531 21:51:57< shadowm> Because you are asking to change how we do contribution licensing.
20120531 21:52:02< blarumyrran> yes
20120531 21:52:05< shadowm> Or suggesting, anyway.
20120531 21:52:22< shadowm> That's an open invitation for undesirable tangents.
20120531 21:52:56< blarumyrran> Fine, mailing list it is then
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20120531 22:23:13< noy> blarumyrran: is thre a particular reason you're raising this issue?
20120531 22:24:37< blarumyrran> There's no particular reason I'm raising it now; but I believe everyone involved agrees that having the graphics & audio assets under gpl instead of the more appropriate CC licenses is bad, and that this is so only because Wesnoth is older than CC
20120531 22:25:35< noy> we've had discussions on moving it to CC, but its really not an easy process
20120531 22:26:08< noy> and frankly, people are pretty tired of the whole licensing issue
20120531 22:26:16< blarumyrran> Well, it doesn't have to happen in some short while
20120531 22:26:32< noy> its not an easy process at any time
20120531 22:26:33< blarumyrran> Merely making different demands to NEW contributors would be a step in the right direction
20120531 22:26:46< noy> does it matter is more my question.
20120531 22:27:03< Nobun> blarumyrran: can I explain better the situation
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20120531 22:27:08< Nobun> if you want
20120531 22:27:15< Nobun> it is a little complex thing
20120531 22:27:51< Nobun> well... it is hard to understand clearly what GPL means, seeing that also in wesnoth forum there are some misunderstanding
20120531 22:27:53< noy> I think I got this Nobun.
20120531 22:28:15< Nobun> Don't misunderstand me
20120531 22:28:35< Nobun> I don't mean that you or other people don't know what you say
20120531 22:29:07< Nobun> I merely observed that GPL license is more hard to understand that usual it seems
20120531 22:29:16< Nobun> I studied it a lot
20120531 22:29:29< Nobun> and even now some doubts remains
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20120531 22:29:43< noy> ... anyway.
20120531 22:30:08< noy> The situation is this blarumyrran. there hasn't been any agreement on CC for art. 
20120531 22:30:34< noy> there is agreement we're going to move that way... some day.
20120531 22:30:52< noy> at least that's what Jetrel wants. 
20120531 22:31:06< noy> and some of the other developers
20120531 22:31:11< Nobun> well noy but the problem is also that an ogg or a png cannot be released itself as GPL
20120531 22:31:13< noy> but its not official policy I don't think.
20120531 22:31:24< Nobun> but only as component of GPL
20120531 22:31:51< shadowm> Ugh.
20120531 22:32:05< Nobun> so... they can be treated only as a piece of sourcecode for GPL license and apply GPL in that sense
20120531 22:32:14< Nobun> or can combine license with CC + GPL
20120531 22:32:20< shadowm> They are already considered source code.
20120531 22:32:21< Nobun> I mean... in general terms
20120531 22:32:29< Nobun> exactly
20120531 22:32:33< Nobun> the problem is
20120531 22:32:35< shadowm> (Also, we are talking about Wesnoth, not the general case.)
20120531 22:32:36< blarumyrran> noy, I can see how managing the license of the distributed-with-package assets can have a lot of work to it, and how contacting old contributors is a lot of work, but I literally cannot see the downsides of asking new contributors to submit to multiple licenses
20120531 22:32:55< Nobun> they cannot be released as GPL becouse the GPL is related to the entire project
20120531 22:32:55< noy> that requires us to agree to CC.
20120531 22:33:06< Nobun> nope xD
20120531 22:33:10< Nobun> this is the nice thing
20120531 22:33:17< noy> I'm really trying to ignore you right now Nobun 
20120531 22:33:17< Nobun> CC and GPL are compatible
20120531 22:33:27< Nobun> I mean
20120531 22:33:34< Nobun> well
20120531 22:33:44< Nobun> I don't trying to say you to do a thing or another
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20120531 22:34:01< Nobun> I am trying to explain the difference from CC legal terms and GPL legal terms
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20120531 22:34:08< Nobun> so
20120531 22:34:19< noy> Thanks, we kinda went over this several times. 
20120531 22:34:19< Nobun> I don't want to discuss about your policy
20120531 22:34:37< noy> when we originally discussed this policy. 
20120531 22:34:38< Nobun> you have the right to decide your own policy
20120531 22:35:11< blarumyrran> noy, CC is the standard & the only such common license that has been tested in court, I'm not sure what else could you agree to? Public domain?
20120531 22:35:31< noy> No, I'm not worried about the legal side of it. 
20120531 22:35:33< blarumyrran> or did you mean, which CC license to agree to
20120531 22:35:58< noy> I'm worried about #1 getting everyone to agree, particularly given the can of worms licensing is overall in this project.
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20120531 22:37:41< noy> #2 is the actual work involved compared to the actual benefit. 
20120531 22:38:07< Nobun> well noy... if you want and if it is not a problem to you I'd like to explain you some legal things about CC and GPL and why I said what I said before... seeing that I can understand what you mean... the implication of different licences can be not so clear for a common user
20120531 22:38:19< Nobun> so problem 1 is real
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20120531 22:38:38< Nobun> problem 2 is somewhat a false problem, but I can understand why you say it
20120531 22:38:51< shadowm> ...
20120531 22:39:25< blarumyrran> #1: Eg the art direction (or the criteria by which a new art asset is accepted or not) is currently decided by a very small number of active people; settling on the licenses demanded from future assets is similar to deciding on the other criteria by which assets are accepted, so that could be approved by the same people, rather than "everyone"
20120531 22:39:25< noy> Okay Nobun, I really want to have a discussion with you but #1 you're really being annoying with your supposed "better knoweldge" #2 you're really not helping our conversation with your argumentation.
20120531 22:40:49< shadowm> blarumyrran: The everyone clearly refers to the contributors.
20120531 22:41:10< noy> exactly shadowm 
20120531 22:41:38< blarumyrran> shadowm, settling on whether new contributions should be demanded to submit to additional licenses obviously does not need approval from contributors of past assets
20120531 22:41:41< Nobun> noy... I will talk to you privately in order to don't disturb chat but #1 I don't say I have a "better knowledge" #2 I don't want to affirm I can have special knowledge. But (perhaps like you) studied and reflected a lot around GPL itself also becouse I studied law
20120531 22:42:09< shadowm> blarumyrran: I thought the whole point was to move everything to the new license.
20120531 22:42:14< Nobun> so a discussion can be a nice way to allow both to understand better
20120531 22:42:18< shadowm> Otherwise it'd be an unnecessary complication.
20120531 22:42:21< blarumyrran> shadowm, but it could be done step-by-step
20120531 22:42:43< noy> blarumyrran: indicating we're going to CC means I've got to present it as all art is going this way.
20120531 22:42:56< Crendgrim> seeing where this discussion is going, I do see why shadowm advised against bringing this to the forums.
20120531 22:42:59< noy> even if done in steps, its an all or nothing proposition. 
20120531 22:43:46< noy> And its not just artists that would need to be consulted, it would also require discussion with other developers
20120531 22:44:06< noy> which I suspect will occur because of your email, and I fear will not be a pleasant one. 
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20120531 22:46:59< noy> As shadowm said, you can't have different licensing for similar contribution types.
20120531 22:47:19< aezaerth> Salut tout le monde (Hello everybody)
20120531 22:47:22< blarumyrran> noy, you can't distribute them together
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20120531 22:47:59< blarumyrran> I am saying that until the CC directory is mature enough, it could be just held in a separate directory, growing as time goes by and old gpl-onyl assets are obsoleted
20120531 22:48:23< blarumyrran> directory as in, on the repository, not distributed
20120531 22:48:30< aezaerth> No channel for french people? Because my english is very very far away
20120531 22:49:54< noy> That's a pain though. 
20120531 22:50:28< blarumyrran> (... I mean, the CC+GPL assets would be held in a separate directory, and would be distributed as gpl-only together with the old assets)
20120531 22:50:29< Smar> aezaerth: try #wesnoth-fr or similar, if such exists
20120531 22:50:48< noy> and frankly, it might well be impossible for us to ever get 100%art
20120531 22:50:51< noy> under the basket
20120531 22:50:56< aezaerth> Smar: Thank's i'm going to try
20120531 22:51:30< blarumyrran> If it's close enough to 100%, the rest can be redrawn
20120531 22:52:23< noy> that could be alot of work.
20120531 22:52:53< noy> much more than its use
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20120531 22:55:05< blarumyrran> but in general older assets are worse!
20120531 22:55:27< noy> In general is not reality
20120531 22:55:32< noy> it really depends.
20120531 22:55:55< aezaerth> Ok, it's my problem, i hope you understand me xD
20120531 22:55:56< aezaerth> I went on the forum, but without success.
20120531 22:56:05< aezaerth> In the "The South Guard" / "Revenge", Ethiliel is not present on the map. How to "appear"?
20120531 22:56:16< aezaerth> (Translate with google)
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20120531 22:57:08< aezaerth> Beaucoup de messages en parlent, mais peu donne une solution satisfaisante
20120531 22:57:20< aezaerth> Many posts talk about, but few give a satisfactory solution (sorry)
20120531 22:58:32< aezaerth> I can do something with the debug mode?
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20120531 22:59:39< aezaerth> I have Wesnoth 1.8
20120531 22:59:50< aezaerth> on a Ubuntu 11.04 OS
20120531 22:59:55< noy> I've got to go for awhile
20120531 22:59:57< noy> I'll be back
20120531 23:00:07< aezaerth> noy: ++
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20120531 23:06:47< aezaerth> Clearly I'd better post a new message on the forum right?
20120531 23:06:57< blarumyrran> aezaerth, get Wesnoth 1.10
20120531 23:07:40< blarumyrran> I have heard of some such bug, and I think it was fixed for 1.10 (I'm not sure; I've never played the campaign myself)
20120531 23:07:57< blarumyrran> In any case it's polite to use the latest versions of things when asking for support
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20120531 23:09:14< aezaerth> Yet I download this version from my repository. I go to install this one instead
20120531 23:09:56< shadowm> 1.10 can be found in backports.
20120531 23:11:22< aezaerth> I will directly try once version 1.10 installed. I return to tell you if it changes anything.
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20120531 23:24:17< aezaerth> ++
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