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20120612 00:36:56< mattsc> Could somebody assign bug #19798 to Nephro, please?  Thanks.
20120612 00:38:05< mattsc> Nephro, this might be the same as bug 19782, but see the IRC discussion referenced in the report as to why we filed it as a separate report.  We're not sure that it is exactly the same.
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20120612 01:09:47< CIA-87> shadowmaster * r54400 /trunk/ (changelog src/scripting/lua.cpp): 
20120612 01:09:47< CIA-87> lua: Implement wesnoth.view_locked() and wesnoth.lock_view()
20120612 01:09:47< CIA-87> Both are simple wrappers for display::view_locked() and
20120612 01:09:47< CIA-87> display::set_view_locked(), respectively. view_locked() returns a
20120612 01:09:47< CIA-87> boolean specifying whether the view is locked, and lock_view() takes a
20120612 01:09:47< CIA-87> boolean specifying whether to lock the view (true) or unlock it (false).
20120612 01:10:06< CIA-87> shadowmaster * r54401 /trunk/ (changelog data/lua/wml-tags.lua): 
20120612 01:10:06< CIA-87> Implement [lock_view] and [unlock_view] WML actions
20120612 01:10:06< CIA-87> They are trivial wrappers for the wesnoth.lock_view() function in Lua.
20120612 01:10:06< CIA-87> Neither takes any parameters.
20120612 01:10:06< CIA-87> There is no wrapper for wesnoth.view_locked() yet until I decide on its
20120612 01:10:07< CIA-87> name and usefulness factor.
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20120612 01:49:50-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 178 bugs, 338 feature requests, 16 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20120612 01:57:10< Espreon> anonymissimus: You know, you can bother me about UtBS stuff too. Also, it should work... Either [show_if] doesn't like [have_unit] or something broke...
20120612 02:00:33< Espreon> Yeah, [show_if][have_unit] works fine in 1.10, so...
20120612 02:00:38< Espreon> ... hmmm...
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20120612 02:12:18< CIA-87> espreon * r54402 /trunk/data/core/images/misc/flag-red2.png: Ran umcpropfix.
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20120612 11:07:21< CIA-87> elvish_hunter * r54403 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_South_Guard/scenarios/05_Choice_In_The_Fog.cfg: TSG: replaced a store unit/create unit/clear variable cycle with [modify_unit]
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20120612 11:19:04< CIA-87> elvish_hunter * r54404 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): TSG, Choice in the Fog: if the player is allied with the Elves, both Urza Afalas and Mal M'Brin must be defeated to win. Second part of the fix for bug #19758
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20120612 13:29:30< Nephro> Do I have to register test scenarios somewhere before I can launch them using "-t name" ?
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20120612 14:36:09< CIA-87> nephro * r54405 /trunk/ (8 files in 4 dirs): 
20120612 14:36:09< CIA-87> LuaAI: the need to define an engine is now deprecated. All CA's can be store in
20120612 14:36:09< CIA-87> external .lua files. If the scenario config lacks an [engine] tag for the Lua AI
20120612 14:36:09< CIA-87> engine, but still tries to use CA with engine=lua, a dummy engine will be
20120612 14:36:09< CIA-87> automatically generated, providing the needed functionality
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20120612 16:01:38< jamit> Crendgrim: It should be possible to reset the shroud with [modify_side]shroud_data=. If that fails, [place_shroud] could be used as a workaround until [modify_shroud] is fixed.
20120612 16:03:20< Crendgrim> jamit: it should work, yes... I tested a bit and it works in my testcases. However, in my campaign it fails for yet unknown reasons :/
20120612 16:04:34< jamit> There is one issue where shroud can be cleared by the undo stack after WML resets the shroud. Might that be what you saw?
20120612 16:04:53< Crendgrim> no. In my case, I cannot place shroud again
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20120612 19:07:02< light_mage> hi everyone! :)
20120612 19:08:40< vultraz> heyllo
20120612 19:09:32< light_mage> i have come up with a campaign that i want to build some time before Konrad, well actually around 3000 yrs before.  I am not very clear about the history of wesnothian empire, but just wanted to know, if the land of wesnoth existed during that time or should my campaign introduce a totally new landscape? The timing has to be right :)
20120612 19:11:01< light_mage> also anyone knows what time 'mattsc' is around?
20120612 19:11:45< the_new_lipk> the land itself presumably existed, but the Kingdom of Wesnoth did not
20120612 19:12:26< the_new_lipk> and I think mattsc will be here in an hour or two
20120612 19:12:39< light_mage> so i can build new empires with different names? that sound like more work :( but will be cool
20120612 19:12:51< light_mage> thx for the info
20120612 19:13:26< the_new_lipk> no problem
20120612 19:14:02< light_mage> it will be ready by next month, just one more question
20120612 19:14:14< light_mage> pls tell me how should i announce it for play testing?
20120612 19:14:36< light_mage> should i directly upload to server or pass on to people via email etc?
20120612 19:15:55< the_new_lipk> I suggest you upload it to the server and announce it on the forums under Scenario&Campaign Development, in a new thread
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20120612 19:20:11< jamit> light_mage: Prince Konrad was born 500 years after the founding of Wesnoth. There is a timeline here: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Timeline_of_Wesnoth
20120612 19:20:53< light_mage> thx jamit :) wow, exactly what i needed 
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20120612 19:24:48< anonymissimus> shadowm: how about [lock_view]lock=yes|no or similar ?
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20120612 19:25:10< anonymissimus> (mainly since I seem to dislike "empty" tags)
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20120612 19:49:01< neph> anonymissimus, you were looking for me?
20120612 19:49:06< neph> wesbot said so
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20120612 19:59:48< anonymissimus> neph: ah yeah, mainly because of this bug thread http://gna.org/bugs/?19798 and because of the IRC discussion between mattsc and me related to it
20120612 20:00:54< anonymissimus> and because of "// Am I wrong, or this return leaves 4 values on the stack? (neph)"
20120612 20:01:28< neph> anonymissimus, so was I wrong?
20120612 20:01:33< anonymissimus> using code comments to ask questions is...umm...bad habit ?
20120612 20:01:36< neph> I can't find that discussion
20120612 20:01:37< anonymissimus> no its right
20120612 20:01:41< neph> anonymissimus, ok, I'll take note
20120612 20:02:27< neph> that really is a bad habbit
20120612 20:02:40< anonymissimus> I mean, imagine your GSoC is over, and then some other developer comes when you are long history and sees this xD
20120612 20:04:04< anonymissimus> anyway, that's not the only spot where the function can exit with leaving stuff on the stack that wasn't there at entrance
20120612 20:04:35< anonymissimus> so, what would I like to know is whether this is a problem, whether it's a memory leak for instance
20120612 20:04:55< anonymissimus> lua has garbage collection so not neccessarily
20120612 20:05:49< anonymissimus> at least it is said to be good practice to have exactly the same amount of things on the stack at exit as it was at entrance
20120612 20:06:12< neph> yeah, but it generates stuff and leaves there
20120612 20:06:20< neph> I also do not remember
20120612 20:06:26< neph> where I left that note :D
20120612 20:06:31< neph> I seriously gotta stop doing that
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20120612 20:08:16< anonymissimus> we ask crab about it I'd say...as the most lua-knowledgable one
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20120612 20:10:53< neph> anonymissimus, I think Crab was asked that question once, and he said that leaving stuff on the stack besides the results is a memleak
20120612 20:11:29< neph> and also, it seems that some parts of Lua AI were written I won't say in a rush, but not quite thoroughly designed
20120612 20:11:48< neph> that's why Crab always encourages me to refactor stuff in that area
20120612 20:12:20< neph> so the possibility of functions causing some memleaks is quite possible
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20120612 20:16:43< mordante> servus
20120612 20:19:03< neph> anonymissimus, can you please remind me where I left that note so I can remove it
20120612 20:19:21< neph> as a matter of fact, I left another one in the latest commit ;[
20120612 20:20:54< mordante> the_new_lipk, 65% is higher than I expected, but sounds plausible (unlike 95%)
20120612 20:22:11< anonymissimus> neph: lua.cpp:1468
20120612 20:22:40< anonymissimus> neph: yes, I know that I asked him that question...
20120612 20:23:21< anonymissimus> however, I wanted to ask for this certain case now, while the other one was a cloudy general question
20120612 20:23:54< anonymissimus> it seems unlikey to me silene would have made such a mistake, and my memory leak detector didn't show it
20120612 20:24:42< anonymissimus> on the other hand, he wrote require at the start so he may not yet have know it well or something
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20120612 20:32:45< the_new_lipk> mordante, okay, let's put this aside then ;) it would be great if you could quickly check if the code quality is acceptable now, so that when you have time for reviewing next we can talk about more interesting things
20120612 20:33:38< anonymissimus> neph: well, searching seems to indicated that it is "good practice" to always keep the stack balanced, but that it's not a memory leak to break the rule
20120612 20:34:02< anonymissimus> that is, leave something on the stack that you had pushed
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20120612 20:34:29< mattsc> Hi, light_mage.  I am traveling this week with very limited time for Wesnoth.  There's a chance that I could be online sometime during the day (GMT+7) tomorrow, but I cannot predict when.
20120612 20:34:36< mattsc> Drop me a forum PM if you have a specific question, or when you might be available tomorrow and how best to ping you.  Otherwise it'll have to wait until the weekend, I'm afraid.
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20120612 20:51:11< mordante> Ivanovic, Akihara has two patches in and both Crab and I approve to give her SVN access, could you please allow her in?
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20120612 20:59:07< Ivanovic> mordante: what is her gna account?
20120612 20:59:16< Akihara> Ivanovic: Akihara
20120612 20:59:21< Ivanovic> and please make sure to tell shadowm to add her in the boards to the developers group
20120612 20:59:25< Ivanovic> Akihara: congrats!
20120612 20:59:30< Akihara> thanks :D 
20120612 20:59:52< Ivanovic> Akihara: besides uploading your ssh key to gna you might consider joining the wesnoth-dev mailing list and maybe also the wesnoth-commits list
20120612 21:00:41< Ivanovic> Akihara: you are in at the gna project so that you now have "full" access to the bug tracker and are able to commit
20120612 21:02:06< shadowm> There is only one board.
20120612 21:02:52< shadowm> Akihara: added to the developers group in the forums
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20120612 21:03:36< shadowm> anonymissimus: I love empty tags.
20120612 21:04:15< Akihara> shadowm: thanks!
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20120612 21:04:36< Akihara> Ivanovic: i will do it :)
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20120612 21:11:56< Espreon> anonymissimus: I'm guessing you didn't read my message...
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20120612 21:34:27< neph> Ivanovic, hi, how could I join the mailing lists? I never got to that part, but assume it might be useful to me
20120612 21:35:03< Ivanovic> https://gna.org/mail/?group=wesnoth
20120612 21:35:06< shadowm> I thought we outright required it.
20120612 21:35:27< shadowm> -dev and -commits, to be specific.
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20120612 21:40:06< mordante> dev is required can't remember whether commit is required or highly recommended
20120612 21:41:25< shadowm> Well, a certain project admin would know better.
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20120612 21:42:52< neph> well, noone told me and I seem to have read the dev guides
20120612 21:45:16< mordante> I'm off bye
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20120612 22:14:01< anonymissimus> Espreon: no, whats up ?
20120612 22:15:38< anonymissimus> Espreon: read it, well ala made a lot of commits to it lately 
20120612 22:16:05< Espreon> True, true.
20120612 22:16:25< shadowm> ala means wing in Spanish
20120612 22:16:32< shadowm> Just noting.
20120612 22:16:43 * Espreon rolls his eyes
20120612 22:16:58< anonymissimus> Espreon: what I meant was that do the objectives change on the fly in case that Garak is "released"
20120612 22:17:06< anonymissimus> that is, look before and after
20120612 22:17:17< Espreon> Well, lemme see if the old way works in trunk.
20120612 22:17:20< anonymissimus> if they do in 1.10 but not trunk then thats a bug
20120612 22:17:30< Espreon> I know the "new way" works in 1.10.
20120612 22:17:32< Espreon> ... but not in trunk.
20120612 22:17:55< anonymissimus> unless that wml code changed...which is why I spoke to Alaranatalara
20120612 22:18:16< Espreon> The "old way" was setting a variable after Garak spawns and using [show_if][variable]
20120612 22:19:23< Espreon> I tested the "new way" ([show_if][have_unit]) in 1.10 and it works.
20120612 22:23:23< anonymissimus> okay well, sounds like a bug then...and I did change the objectives code in march
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20120612 22:49:22< neph> Hi, crab_. I've made a couple of commits, now defining an engine is not required and all CA's can be stored externally in files. A dummy engine is created for them. If you could check the commits and approve the way I achieved that, I will document it tomorrow(if not, I'll redo it :) )
20120612 22:49:38< crab_> hi, neph
20120612 22:49:48< crab_> I would be able to check it tomorrow in the morning
20120612 22:49:56< neph> Right now, everything seems to be in a good stage with a couple of well-known and localisable bugs
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20120612 22:50:49< crab_> sounds good. I'll review the code, then, and tell you if there're any comments
20120612 22:50:49< neph> The issue of the engine being erroneous was never handled, that causes segfaults
20120612 22:51:14< crab_> any other known bugs/issues?
20120612 22:52:33< neph> Well, there are two bugs filed on gna, both adressing this segfault thing. They have somewhat different description but the idea is the same. If the engine fails to initialise due to problems with the code, accessing the engine will cause null dereferencing.
20120612 22:52:54< anonymissimus> Espreon: well, are you investigating ? you can make a bug report and  assign to me if you find it to be one
20120612 22:53:06< anonymissimus> bye
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20120612 22:54:42< neph> crab_, also, the question about things left on the stack in some callback functions is still open. I detected a rather widely used function that leaves 4 objects on the stack, while returning only one.
20120612 22:55:17< crab_> is there any question there? or you mean just that it's not yet fixed?
20120612 22:55:31< neph> crab_, the question is whether that's an issue or not
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20120612 22:56:08< neph> some guys on the #lua channel told me that Lua handles such situations well, others said it's no good to leave objects on the stack
20120612 22:56:42< crab_> I'd say that it should be fixed
20120612 22:56:50< neph> that is the wesnoth.require function, which must be used quite widely, so I hesitated to modify it without asking first
20120612 22:57:10< crab_> ah, interesting
20120612 22:57:20< crab_> I thought that it's some AI function.
20120612 22:57:26< crab_> I'll take a look at it, then
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20120612 22:59:53< neph> I left a comment note there(anonymissimus told me I should really stop doing that), I'll remove it together with my next commits
20120612 23:02:14< crab_> I think that notes are ok, if they are TODOs and explain what's going on
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20120612 23:17:52< crab_> neph_: ok, Iet's talk tomorrow
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