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20120613 16:27:24< neph_> wesbot, seen Crab_
20120613 16:27:24< wesbot> neph_: The person with the nick crab_ last spoke 17h 9m ago.  17h 9m ago they left with the message: Quit: Do it for joy and you can do it forever
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20120613 16:40:19< esr> I have a question for any Windows C or C++ devs present.
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20120613 16:53:09< loonycyborg> esr: Maybe actually ask it? :P
20120613 16:56:05< esr> loonycyborg:Wanted to be sure someone was listening before I typed a long explanation.  I
20120613 16:56:54< esr> I  have a very old piece of C code with #ifdef MSDOS sections in it.  There conditionally call a function called setmode() to set binary mode on file descriptors. Is this still needed under Windows?  That is, does Windows still default to opening files in text mode with CR generated on LF or whatever?
20120613 16:57:17< loonycyborg> Yes.
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20120613 16:57:39< loonycyborg> Not sure what it default to though.
20120613 16:58:13< esr> Well, that was the question.  If Windows now defaults to binary mode I can remove some ugly code.
20120613 17:01:24< loonycyborg> At least there's still 'b' modes for fopen.
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20120613 17:06:14< loonycyborg> esr: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/library/ee2849wt%28v=vs.80%29.aspx <- this seem to imply that it's still text mode by default, at least for fopen.
20120613 17:06:28< esr> Ugh.
20120613 17:08:25< loonycyborg> Not sure what would happen with CreateFile() :P
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20120613 17:41:31< esr> loonycyborg: Is __MSDOS__ still defined under Windows?
20120613 17:41:49< loonycyborg> No idea.
20120613 17:41:59< esr> Sigh.
20120613 17:41:59< loonycyborg> Better use _WIN32
20120613 17:42:35< loonycyborg> At least that's what wesnoth uses.
20120613 17:42:53< loonycyborg> That'll be defined by most compilers targeting windows :P
20120613 17:43:02< loonycyborg> Even cross-compilers.
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20120613 19:06:52< boucman> hey all
20120613 19:08:37< boucman> bloodycoin_m: did you have time to code since we last discussed ?
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20120613 19:35:15< gabba> Hi all
20120613 19:35:17< gabba> hey ejls
20120613 19:49:58< bloodycoin_m> boucman: sorry.. nop, had presentatino today... -.-
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20120613 19:50:40< Espreon> anonymissimus: Hello.
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20120613 19:51:17< boucman> ok
20120613 19:51:26< anonymissimus> esr: wesnoth is probably a bad place to ask for windows devs since harldy anyone is actually coding on it
20120613 19:52:47< anonymissimus> anyway, I subscribe to what loony said; MSVC defines _WIN32 by default but not __MSDOS__
20120613 19:53:35< anonymissimus> and I indeed need to put the "b" frequently
20120613 19:55:02< anonymissimus> Espreon: hi
20120613 19:55:38< Espreon> anonymissimus: No, I'm not investigating it anymore.
20120613 19:55:50< Espreon> I'm convinced that something broke it.
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20120613 20:01:00< anonymissimus> okay...do you give a cookie for checking out 1.10 and making a rebuild 2 times to get an 1.10 binary to check it, okay ?
20120613 20:02:35< Espreon> Yes
20120613 20:03:01< anonymissimus> :)
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20120613 20:03:27< anonymissimus> *knurps*
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20120613 21:23:02< bumbadadabum> can you help me out with lua
20120613 21:24:21< bumbadadabum> how do you make lua randomly select stuff from a foo=bar,bar2,bar3 parameter in a wml tag
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20120613 21:27:51< MiJyn> How do I help out?
20120613 21:28:06< zookeeper> depends on what you want to help out with
20120613 21:28:10< MiJyn> coding
20120613 21:28:15< MiJyn> I'm a C/C++ programmer
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20120613 21:30:14< zookeeper> MiJyn, well, i'm sure the most appreciated way to start would be look for bugs in the bug tracker and submit patches to fix some of them
20120613 21:30:44< Nephro> MiJyn, also by working on bugs you'll get to know several parts of the codebase better
20120613 21:31:51< zookeeper> also there's http://wiki.wesnoth.org/EasyCoding but it might not be very frequently updated and perhaps might contain some obsolete entries (i'm not sure) so you might want to ask about any specific ideas you have first in here
20120613 21:32:08< MiJyn> zookeeper, ok, will check the bug tracker
20120613 21:32:24< MiJyn> Nephro, yeah, I guess so
20120613 21:34:57< mattsc> bumbadadabum: you could simply go through the WML set_variable tag.  Something like:
20120613 21:35:06< mattsc>     wesnoth.fire("set_variable", { name = "LUA_random", rand = string })
20120613 21:35:37< bumbadadabum> so
20120613 21:35:57< bumbadadabum> wesnoth.fire("set_variable", { name = "Orc_type", rand = cfg.type })
20120613 21:36:40< mattsc> Assuming cfg.type is a string with a comma separated list of types, yes
20120613 21:36:49< bumbadadabum> okay
20120613 21:37:37< shadowm> I generally use an auxiliary function like this: http://pastebin.com/dSQgc6UZ
20120613 21:38:10< mattsc> and make sure you clear variable 'Orc_type' when you are done
20120613 21:38:26< bumbadadabum> so you'll be able to run it again?
20120613 21:38:27< mattsc> shadowm: yes, I as well
20120613 21:38:48< bumbadadabum> I'll just go with shadowm's way
20120613 21:38:55< bumbadadabum> of inserting the random
20120613 21:38:58< anonymissimus> there is also a cleaner way by using sync_choice and math.rand
20120613 21:39:01< mattsc> bumbadadabum: No, just so that it doesn't hang around until the end of the campaign
20120613 21:39:09< bumbadadabum> okay
20120613 21:40:01< mattsc> oh, and look at this:  http://wiki.wesnoth.org/LuaWML:Misc#helper.rand
20120613 21:40:14< anonymissimus> no dont use that please
20120613 21:40:21< anonymissimus> it's a pity I added it
20120613 21:40:25< mattsc> anonymissimus: ok, why?
20120613 21:40:45< anonymissimus> because I added it only since math.random was not available at that time
20120613 21:41:06< bumbadadabum> can I use shadowm's function
20120613 21:41:08< anonymissimus> and I'm not sure about whether it needs synchronization
20120613 21:41:16< bumbadadabum> and just call it in my function
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20120613 21:42:34< bumbadadabum> is there a call_function thing in lua?
20120613 21:42:43< anonymissimus> shadowm: I'm also unsure about whether your snippet needs snychronize_choice; in case your replays appear corrupted or show behavior differing from the one during play it might be a reason
20120613 21:43:39< mattsc> anonymissimus: it just uses WML's 'rand' operator.  That should not need synchronize_choice, should it?
20120613 21:44:44< shadowm> Le sigh.
20120613 21:46:21< bumbadadabum> what is the variable where wesnoth.get_time_of_day is stored?
20120613 21:48:16< mattsc> bumbadadabum: local whatever_you_want = wesnoth.get_time_of_day(args)
20120613 21:48:57< bumbadadabum> 	if (tod.id == first_watch or tod.id == second_watch)
20120613 21:49:06< bumbadadabum> is this correct syntax?
20120613 21:49:44< anonymissimus> mattsc: 1. I remember that in Settlers of Wesnoth I once seemed to need to put it into sync_choice, even though that shouldn't be needed as you say
20120613 21:49:46< shadowm> You probably meant first_watch and second_watch as string literals in quotes, not variable names, _unless_ you really have variablers with those names.
20120613 21:50:02< anonymissimus> (or not only seemed to, I had to)
20120613 21:50:11< bumbadadabum> shadowm: quotes added
20120613 21:50:28< anonymissimus> 2. silene said once that it should be in sync_choice, but he didn't give a reason
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20120613 21:51:25< shadowm> Funny, because silene himself was the one who told us to use that code snippet.
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20120613 21:51:34< anonymissimus> however, when I checked it some time ago it was fine anyway so perhaps I was wrong, unless something else had changed...
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20120613 21:52:27< bumbadadabum> 	if (tod.id == "first_watch" or tod.id == "second_watch") then wesnoth.fire("message", { speaker="speaker", message=_ "Good night!" })
20120613 21:52:34< bumbadadabum> will this work
20120613 21:53:09< bumbadadabum> speaker => local speaker = tostring(cfg.speaker)
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20120613 21:57:00< bumbadadabum> http://pastebin.com/zNM83BUV
20120613 21:57:10< bumbadadabum> will this work?
20120613 21:58:44< bumbadadabum> and how do you call a function in lua?
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20120613 22:05:18< anonymissimus> Espreon: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?19803
20120613 22:05:53< Espreon> Huzzah.
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20120613 22:12:24< bumbadadabum> bumbadadabum: and how do you call a function in lua?
20120613 22:13:34< mattsc> bumbadadabum: just by its name
20120613 22:13:44< bumbadadabum> so?
20120613 22:13:48< bumbadadabum> how?
20120613 22:14:36< mattsc> wml_actions.greeting(cfg)
20120613 22:15:36< Espreon> Hmmmm... no longer wesnoth.wml_actions....? Oh well.
20120613 22:16:09< mattsc> oh, sorry
20120613 22:16:54< bumbadadabum> 	local orc_type = wesnoth.aonv_safe_random(cfg.type)
20120613 22:17:01< mattsc> hold on, I have something else going on...
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20120613 22:38:35< Nephro> hi mattsc have you seen the latest commit of mine?
20120613 22:38:39< mattsc> bumbadadabum: sorry, I was trying to give a quick answer while I was has something else going on and I missed something.  Maybe you could repeat what's still unclear at this time
20120613 22:38:50< Nephro> I am waiting for Crab to approve it so I can document it
20120613 22:38:58< bumbadadabum> nothing
20120613 22:39:04< bumbadadabum> just a "does it work"
20120613 22:39:18< mattsc> Nephro: I haven't since I don't know what to do with it yet (I saw that you did commit something)
20120613 22:39:58< mattsc> bumbadadabum: have you tried whether it works?  you mean your pastebin code?
20120613 22:39:59< Nephro> mattsc, the engine no longer needs to be defined
20120613 22:40:22< mattsc> Nephro: and everything else is exactly the same?
20120613 22:40:23< Nephro> mattsc, so you can just write all your ca's in external files and have a super clean scenario file
20120613 22:40:34< Nephro> mattsc, yes
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20120613 22:41:01< Nephro> mattsc, also, if you use the --debug-lua argument, your ca's will reload on the fly
20120613 22:41:01< mattsc> I thought you said that the content of the file needs to have a certain structure.  I was waiting for information on that before doing something
20120613 22:41:12< mattsc> Nephro, and I have essentially no time this week anyway
20120613 22:41:26< Nephro> mattsc, yes, I will document that once Crab says the way I did it is ok
20120613 22:41:35< bumbadadabum> mattsc: 'end' expected (to close 'if' at line 27)
20120613 22:41:43< Nephro> mattsc, I'm just reporting so you know the status and the progress :)
20120613 22:41:57< mattsc> Nephro: ok, if that takes a couple days, that's pretty good timing for me.  I might have some time on the weekend.  Maybe.
20120613 22:42:22< mattsc> bumbadadabum: oh, yes, I missed that.  All the if's need to be closed by end's
20120613 22:42:27< bumbadadabum> okay
20120613 22:43:19< mattsc> Also, you probably don't have a unit with ID "speaker", do you?
20120613 22:43:29< bumbadadabum> speaker is a local variable
20120613 22:43:36< Nephro> mattsc, also, about the segfault bugs, they are all of known nature, don't bother submitting them, they will most probably be solved after a single commit
20120613 22:43:44< mattsc> yeah, just saw that (sorry, I'm slow today ;) )
20120613 22:44:08< bumbadadabum> attempt to index global 'wml_actions'
20120613 22:44:14< mattsc> Then you need to eliminate the quotes:  speaker = speaker
20120613 22:44:24< bumbadadabum> how to fix that
20120613 22:44:37< mattsc> Nephro: ok, that's great
20120613 22:45:06< mattsc> what's in cfg.speaker?  An ID or a unit file?
20120613 22:45:14< bumbadadabum> id
20120613 22:45:38< mattsc> untested: wesnoth.fire("message", { speaker=speaker, message=_ "Good afternoon!" })
20120613 22:46:07< mattsc> (sorry, I meant unit table ^)
20120613 22:46:48< bumbadadabum> still the same error
20120613 22:47:01< mattsc> The 'end' expected error?
20120613 22:47:07< bumbadadabum> no
20120613 22:47:13< bumbadadabum> :attempt to index global 'wml_actions
20120613 22:47:19< bumbadadabum> (a nil value)
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20120613 22:47:39< mattsc> that's because you define the functions as subtag of wml_actions
20120613 22:47:52< bumbadadabum> so I should change that
20120613 22:48:02< mattsc> (sorry, yes, that was mentioned up there, I knew I had missed something)
20120613 22:48:07< mattsc> yes, just call it 'greeting'
20120613 22:48:16< bumbadadabum> okay
20120613 22:48:22< bumbadadabum> thanks
20120613 22:48:42< bumbadadabum> one lua macro
20120613 22:48:44< bumbadadabum> and one new tag
20120613 22:48:53< bumbadadabum> now let's make it mainline
20120613 22:49:13< bumbadadabum> uhh
20120613 22:49:17< mattsc> ?
20120613 22:49:20< bumbadadabum> [greeting] not supported
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20120613 22:49:51< mattsc> Oh, you're trying to create a new tag?  I thought you were just trying to call this from within Lua
20120613 22:50:01< bumbadadabum> yes I was
20120613 22:51:01< bumbadadabum> [lua]
20120613 22:51:02< bumbadadabum>     code = <<
20120613 22:51:02< bumbadadabum>         	       wesnoth.dofile '~add-ons/An_Orc_Named_Vrug/lua/wml_tags.lua'
20120613 22:51:02< bumbadadabum>     	    	   >>
20120613 22:51:02< bumbadadabum> [/lua]
20120613 22:51:11< bumbadadabum> that is in the _main.cfg
20120613 22:51:36< mattsc> That's why you're using wml_actions, I get it now...
20120613 22:51:44< bumbadadabum> :)
20120613 22:51:46< mattsc> You need to use wesnoth.wml_actions.greeting then
20120613 22:52:23< mattsc> Some days I'm slower than others.  :)
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20120613 22:56:31< bumbadadabum> 	if cfg.first_watch_message.is_set then local first_watch = cfg.first_watch_message else local first_watch = _ "Good night!"
20120613 22:56:36< bumbadadabum> does this work?
20120613 22:57:07< mattsc> no
20120613 22:57:30< mattsc> first, the end is missing.  Second, this will define 'first_watch' only for inside the if statement
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20120613 22:58:00< bumbadadabum> how should I do this then?
20120613 22:58:54< mattsc> there a a bunch of different possibilities.  If you want to stay with this general approach:
20120613 23:00:17< mattsc> http://pastebin.com/5TWpbmzn
20120613 23:00:46< mattsc> However, that's only to illustrate the thing with the local variable.  I wouldn't do it that way.  I'd prefer something like:
20120613 23:01:15< mattsc> local first_watch = cfg.first_watch_message or _"Good night!"
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20120613 23:01:25< bumbadadabum> okay
20120613 23:03:16< crab_> Ayne: see email, I've sent the notes to you
20120613 23:03:43< crab_> Nephro: I've still not finished with reviewing your code, I'll send some notes to you tomorrow in the morning
20120613 23:03:47< Ayne> crab: yes, just got it, thank you
20120613 23:04:51< mattsc> Espreon: I'm just not very good at multi-tasking.  ;)
20120613 23:05:23< crab_> Ayne: overall, it's good and you definitely got the idea of what we want to do, yet, there's a lot of things that could be made simpler and less error-prone.
20120613 23:05:52< crab_> you can answer using your own comments if there are places where you disagree or need more info.
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20120613 23:06:31< bumbadadabum> http://pastebin.com/imqKgxG4
20120613 23:06:57< Espreon> mattsc: None of us are.
20120613 23:07:11< bumbadadabum> My first pseudo-mainline wml tag
20120613 23:07:12< bumbadadabum> :)
20120613 23:07:16< bumbadadabum> I'm so proud
20120613 23:07:31< shadowm> I have written a dozen or so.
20120613 23:07:42< bumbadadabum> I haven't
20120613 23:08:04< anonymissimus> bumbadadabum: I'm sure you are capable of answering some of your questions yourself
20120613 23:08:18< bumbadadabum> I have
20120613 23:08:35< bumbadadabum> I only need to know if this cod is the easiest, fastest way to do it
20120613 23:08:59< bumbadadabum> *code
20120613 23:09:12< crab_> bumbadadabum: about the code you've pasted: a better approach would be to make a table of time of day to messages, then just  fire the message from the table.
20120613 23:09:26< bumbadadabum> how, crab_?
20120613 23:09:47< crab_> bumbadadabum: your code is ok, yet, if you would need to do something else instead of firing the message, you'll need to modify it 6 times, which is not fun.
20120613 23:10:28< mattsc> bumbadadabum: you need to replace the '=' with '==' though, don't you?
20120613 23:10:37< bumbadadabum> this for now is a greeting tag
20120613 23:10:40< mattsc> In the if statements, I mean
20120613 23:10:54< bumbadadabum> for a time-based greeting
20120613 23:11:31< Nephro> crab_, but does the overall approach seems acceptable to you? meaning, should I start documenting that, or remake it first?
20120613 23:12:03< bumbadadabum> mattsc, crab_, I'm going to improve it tomorrow
20120613 23:12:18< bumbadadabum> maybe make it into a [check_tod] tag
20120613 23:12:43< shadowm> There's something wrong with this picture: http://shadowm.rewound.net/f/cave-transitions.png
20120613 23:13:21< Nephro> shadowm, :))
20120613 23:13:42< bumbadadabum> bye guys
20120613 23:13:47< crab_> Nephro: yes, the way to provide a dummy engine if there's no engine is ok.
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20120613 23:14:11< shadowm> wesbot: seen Alarantalara
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20120613 23:15:11< crab_> of course, you could have done the dummy engine definition in C++, but doing it in lua is more natural.
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20120613 23:17:29< Nephro> crab_, yes, I had that idea too... But then I thought that the generation code will look long and clumsy. This way it's very simple and self explanatory, also kind of separated from the architecture(moved out to a file). I was worried about the hardcoded string operations
20120613 23:17:50< Nephro> but I decided to not optimise non-existing code and do it this way as a first draft
20120613 23:17:54< crab_> perfectly ok for me
20120613 23:18:03< Nephro> that seems to be the way they try to teach me in uni :)
20120613 23:19:28< crab_> well, there's a better way to do it
20120613 23:20:29< crab_> if you include the lua ai engine config in the 'default ai config' and provide a way for user-specified lua engines to run even with that default config being present, then you'll have your strings in WML of default ai config
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20120613 23:21:45< crab_> but, that is a design question
20120613 23:22:20< crab_> if you treat your 'default location of lua ai engine config' as a AI parameter, then it should go into default ai parameters
20120613 23:22:46< crab_> if you treat your 'default location of lua ai engine config' as a per-wesnoth parameter, then current approach is fine, at least short-term
20120613 23:23:26< crab_> so, if you manage to push those strings to data/ai/utils/default_config.cfg, that would be ideal.
20120613 23:23:31< crab_> but, current approach is ok
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20120613 23:25:04< Nephro> I'll need to look closer tomorrow
20120613 23:25:10< Nephro> on a different machine right now
20120613 23:26:12< crab_> ok. 
20120613 23:26:42< crab_> so, overall, "that way is fine, but the proper location for that wesnoth.require is data/ai/utils/default_config.cfg
20120613 23:27:24< crab_> I'll go, then. bye, will be earlier online tomorrow (but still in the evening, and, maybe, a bit in the morning)
20120613 23:27:38< Nephro> ok I'll try to catch you then :) bye
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20120613 23:36:04< mattsc> Nephro: I'm off too.  I'll likely not be back on here until Saturday, but it doesn't sound like you need me right now.  I'll check the logs.
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20120613 23:58:03< CIA-87> anonymissimus * r54406 /trunk/data/lua/wml/objectives.lua: Fix a variable referenced out of its scope (bug #19803)
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