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Accepted students are currently working on their projects. 20120617 04:24:36< MeTaLiVo> Well ... what kind of job is it? 20120617 04:25:06-!- Ivanovic_ [~ivanovic@dtmd-4db22533.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 04:26:10< MeTaLiVo> Sorry if my connection is not stable ... i'm in a 18 wheels truck atm ... and the connection isn't the best while moving 20120617 04:26:12< shadowm> We generally provide students with rather difficult coding tasks. You can check http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerOfCodeIdeas for the list of projects proposed this year, for example. 20120617 04:26:36< MeTaLiVo> ok i'll check this i'll be right back 20120617 04:26:42< shadowm> Next year the list of projects might include those that weren't worked on this year, plus new ones. 20120617 04:27:41-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20120617 04:28:21< MeTaLiVo> i'll try to be there before the deadlines this time :$ 20120617 04:28:51< MeTaLiVo> i've already worked in scripts for a world of warcraft private server 20120617 04:28:59-!- Ivanovic_ is now known as Ivanovic 20120617 04:30:42< MeTaLiVo> i was working on bugged quest generaly .... and i think i'll be a good man for this the next year ... well .. the only thing i need to work is my language ... cuz my english is too bad 20120617 04:31:33< shadowm> Since coding for GSoC requires communicating a lot with your mentor(s) and other developers, yeah, that'd be a good idea. 20120617 04:32:13< MeTaLiVo> Where most of dev are from? 20120617 04:33:01< shadowm> Europe. There are very few who aren't from Europe, and all of the GSoC mentors so far have been the devs from Europe. 20120617 04:33:20< shadowm> Interestingly, not the United Kingdom. 20120617 04:33:20< MeTaLiVo> Okay 20120617 04:33:31-!- atomicbomb [~quassel@180.246.155.173] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 04:34:44< MeTaLiVo> i'm from Québec, Canada 20120617 04:35:01< MeTaLiVo> that explain why my english is bad :P 20120617 04:35:36< shadowm> I have read worse from native (especially U.S.) speakers, frankly. 20120617 04:36:30< MeTaLiVo> Good to know that i'm not the worst you've read, :P 20120617 04:36:31< shadowm> Anyway, if you have the time and interest (and don't mind not getting paid), you don't need to work under the GSoC program to contribute to Wesnoth. 20120617 04:37:32< MeTaLiVo> I Don't mind getting paid ... i don't want ... i just like to work on these kind of thing 20120617 04:39:47-!- stikonas [~and@bcm-131-111-216-103.girton.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20120617 04:41:41< MeTaLiVo> i don't wanna be paid for working on a free game ... it wouldn't have any sense 20120617 04:42:52< shadowm> That's kind of the point of GSoC, though. 20120617 04:43:18< shadowm> The money comes from Google, not us, anyway. 20120617 04:46:05< MeTaLiVo> but everything that people do under the GSoC will be for Wesnoth 20120617 04:46:12< MeTaLiVo> ?? < 20120617 04:48:47< shadowm> Google's Summer of Code program allows different students to work with different organizations and Wesnoth is just one of them. 20120617 04:49:11< shadowm> So, obviously working for _Wesnoth_ under GSoC means contributing to Wesnoth. 20120617 04:49:27< MeTaLiVo> OKay 20120617 04:49:35< shadowm> They have a more complete FAQ here, btw: http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs 20120617 04:51:49< MeTaLiVo> Well ... if you want to talk to me another day: GTATHIBAULT@HOTMAIL.COM it's 22:50 here ... and i'm on the road sincso e 05:00 this morning ....so i'll sleep... i may be back on the IRC Tomorrow ... 20120617 04:53:07< MeTaLiVo> Good Night shadowm, TTYL 20120617 04:53:31< shadowm> Bye. 20120617 04:53:50-!- MeTaLiVo is now known as Sleep|MeTaLiVo 20120617 04:58:29-!- Sleep|MeTaLiVo [b89772e3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.151.114.227] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20120617 05:30:34-!- crimson_penguin [~ben@wesnoth/developer/crimsonpenguin] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 06:04:14-!- Gambit [~gambit@wesnoth/developer/grickit] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20120617 06:06:45-!- ancestral [~ancestral@75-168-39-185.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 06:18:13-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Killed (niven.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 20120617 06:18:27-!- shadowm_laptop2 [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 06:19:52-!- shadowm_laptop2 [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Disconnected by 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great/hero troll portrait, and a portrait for the young ogre. 20120617 13:59:07-!- worduk [~jon@77.76.205.90] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 20120617 13:59:54-!- worduk [~jon@77.76.205.90] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 14:02:24-!- yann [~dwitch@nan92-1-81-57-214-146.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 14:02:43-!- mordante [~mordante@roadie.xs4all.nl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 14:02:43-!- mordante [~mordante@roadie.xs4all.nl] has quit [Changing host] 20120617 14:02:43-!- mordante [~mordante@wesnoth/developer/mordante] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 14:02:58< mordante> servus 20120617 14:05:09< fendrin_> mordante: maybe you want to answer to http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=531448#p531448 20120617 14:05:14< fendrin_> mordante: Hello :-) 20120617 14:05:33< fendrin_> mordante: The post makes me a little angry. If you do not want to answer, I would like to. 20120617 14:06:24< mordante> hi fendrin_ 20120617 14:10:09< mordante> fendrin_, I'll think about an answer, but creeping biggerism all over again ;-) 20120617 14:10:49< mordante> fendrin_, btw any news about the Wesnoth meeting in SB? 20120617 14:13:39-!- bumbadadabum [~bumbadada@d155253.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 14:13:52< fendrin_> mordante: I thought about it twice, and I think we do not necessarily have to make it during university holidays. Most participants won't be students any more and summer holidays are different throughout Europe's country anyway. What do you think? 20120617 14:14:11< fendrin_> s/country/countries 20120617 14:14:30< mordante> no idea when the holidays are in other European countries 20120617 14:15:12< mordante> however I'm not sure how easy it is to get access to university facilities when the new semester has begun 20120617 14:15:12-!- DCW [50000461@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.0.4.97] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 14:15:46< fendrin_> I still love the idea of having some meeting that is a little longer than just two days, focused more on coding and bug fixing. 20120617 14:15:53 * mordante too 20120617 14:16:51< mordante> if we do it in August/September it's about half a year after the Fosdem, 20120617 14:16:57< mordante> if much later it will be really close to the next Fosdem 20120617 14:17:09< fendrin_> I have asked my superior if we can use the rooms of resources of the computer linguistic department and he agreed. 20120617 14:17:19< mordante> ok 20120617 14:17:20< fendrin_> That means we will have rooms and computers. 20120617 14:17:27< mordante> good 20120617 14:17:35< fendrin_> And cables or whatever is needed. 20120617 14:18:41< fendrin_> Supply by the mensa is better during non holiday times, there is only a limited offer otherwise, regarding eating times and the number of meals to choice from. 20120617 14:19:16< mordante> is the mensa at your uni good? 20120617 14:19:21< fendrin_> The mensa of the univerity if saarland is a real good one, thus eating there most if the time is a real options. 20120617 14:19:37< mordante> ah good, then I look forward to it :-) 20120617 14:20:05< fendrin_> And it's cheap, at least for students, not that cheap for "guests" or employees of the university. 20120617 14:20:13< mordante> I've been eating in some of them in the past and most were quite good 20120617 14:20:46< mordante> also not cheap for employees? 20120617 14:21:06< fendrin_> It's cheaper than for guests but not as cheap as for students. 20120617 14:21:48< fendrin_> Still, you can count on about 3-4€ for a sufficient meal. 20120617 14:21:49< mordante> ah ok i recalled that it usually was cheap for students/employees and a reasonable price for guest 20120617 14:23:43< fendrin_> Maybe I can organize a cheap or free sleeping on the university as well, I will ask some officials from the university or the ASTA (the student democratic thing) next week. 20120617 14:24:24< mordante> €3-4 is still in my cheap area and especially if the quality is good 20120617 14:25:22< mordante> a sufficient meal at McDonnals/Burger king etc is more expensive (and I don't consider that 'good' meals) 20120617 14:25:36< fendrin_> Not every meal does fit my taste, but you can choise between 6+ different ones, thus there is usually one that is fine for me on the list. 20120617 14:28:59-!- bumbadadabum_ [~bumbadada@d114024.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 14:29:25-!- ToBeFree [~tobefree@unaffiliated/tobefree] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20120617 14:31:54-!- bumbadadabum [~bumbadada@d155253.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20120617 14:31:54-!- bumbadadabum_ is now known as bumbadadabum 20120617 14:33:22-!- negusnyul [~negusnyul@1F2EA8F4.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 14:34:15< fendrin_> mordante: I will inform you and make an announcement on the forums during the next week, when I know more about sleeping places. 20120617 14:35:17< mordante> cool, but maybe best announce it on the dev-ml, I for one don't read the forums too often 20120617 14:38:46< fendrin_> yes 20120617 14:39:41-!- iwontbecreative [~Thibault_@89.180.81.55] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 14:40:49-!- worduk [~jon@77.76.205.90] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 20120617 14:47:19< CIA-87> mordante * r54430 /trunk/src/CMakeLists.txt: 20120617 14:47:19< CIA-87> Move the gui1 widgets code to a library. 20120617 14:47:19< CIA-87> Trying to offload some code into seperate libraries to improve 20120617 14:47:19< CIA-87> (re)build time. 20120617 14:54:16-!- bumbadadabum [~bumbadada@d114024.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: bumbadadabum] 20120617 15:01:33< esr> AI0867: ping? 20120617 15:10:35-!- DCW [50000461@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.0.4.97] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20120617 15:14:56-!- bumbadadabum [~bumbadada@d114024.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 15:16:41< CIA-87> mordante * r54431 /trunk/src/CMakeLists.txt: 20120617 15:16:41< CIA-87> Move the gui event code to a library. 20120617 15:16:41< CIA-87> Trying to offload some code into seperate libraries to improve 20120617 15:16:41< CIA-87> (re)build time. 20120617 15:19:28-!- trademark_ [~trademark@mon69-1-82-67-23-185.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20120617 15:19:54-!- trademark_ [~trademark@mon69-1-82-67-23-185.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 15:22:19-!- ancestral [~ancestral@75-168-39-185.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 15:26:06-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 15:28:05< shadowm> And how does moving that code to libraries improve anything if it needs to be recompiled due to some major header change? 20120617 15:28:38-!- artisticdude_iOS [~artisticd@vsat-148-64-186-230.c005.g4.mrt.starband.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPod touch - http://colloquy.mobi] 20120617 15:29:23< mordante> not, but if a .cpp is updated it's no longer required to build a full core library 20120617 15:29:40< mordante> and in debug mode that beast is 600MB and takes a while to build 20120617 15:29:51< mordante> and the static version is 1.1GB 20120617 15:30:00< shadowm> Last time I checked scons would only recompile affected cpp files too. 20120617 15:30:13< shadowm> I assume cmake diverged from autotools whereas scons did not. 20120617 15:30:28< mordante> it's not about recompiling .cpps, but the linking into the game library 20120617 15:31:17< shadowm> Ah, so the idea is splitting the internal libraries even further? 20120617 15:31:23< mordante> yup 20120617 15:31:59< mordante> and especially when using shared libraries it reduces the rebuild time a lot for me 20120617 15:32:36< mordante> when I use debug mode a small changes takes about a minute to rebuild, mainly due to linking 20120617 15:39:32< loonycyborg> Is that due to swapping? 20120617 15:39:49< mordante> no 20120617 15:43:05-!- ancestral [~ancestral@75-168-39-185.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: i go sleeps kthxbai] 20120617 15:49:58< loonycyborg> Hmm.. Linking times weren't much of a problem for me in debug mode, but swapping caused huge slowdown. Memory upgrade ftw. 20120617 15:52:18-!- worduk [~jon@77.76.205.90] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 15:55:57-!- atomicbomb [~quassel@61.94.94.91] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20120617 15:59:25-!- artisticdude [~artisticd@vsat-148-64-186-230.c005.g4.mrt.starband.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 16:09:57-!- worduk [~jon@77.76.205.90] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 20120617 16:11:09-!- horon [~horon@nttkyo216070.tkyo.nt.ngn2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 20120617 16:15:38-!- anonymissimus [~chatzilla@HSI-KBW-078-042-163-105.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 16:17:30< anonymissimus> mordante: may I ask you some cppcheck questions; why does it say in that example that it's unsafe: http://pastebin.com/0k1PxYFE ? 20120617 16:33:45-!- trademark_ [~trademark@mon69-1-82-67-23-185.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20120617 16:38:19-!- ancestral [~ancestral@75-168-39-185.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 16:47:54< mordante> loonycyborg, I have 8GB of ram and no swap space 20120617 16:48:29< mordante> the slowdown is in the IO of writing the 1.1GB so maybe after upgrading memory that will be your next bottleneck as well 20120617 16:49:12< loonycyborg> Yes. It's indeed my next bottleneck after I've upgraded to 4Gb 20120617 16:49:20< loonycyborg> But it's still tolerable. 20120617 16:49:46< loonycyborg> Especially considering that I don't build debug binaries often. 20120617 16:50:13< mordante> I do when debugging and then it really slows down my debug/rebuild cycle 20120617 16:50:28< mordante> often I'm tempted to fall back to printf style debugging ;-) 20120617 16:51:07< shadowm> 4 GiB of RAM barely seems enough to efficiently build Wesnoth here anymore. 20120617 16:51:17< loonycyborg> I generally use release + cout, debug builds are made only in response to outright segfaults. 20120617 16:51:18< shadowm> *seems barely 20120617 16:52:46< mordante> anonymissimus, when moving int i to line 7 the code behaves the same, the i is not used after the scope of if(x) ends 20120617 16:53:11< mordante> when moving the code in the loop the behaviour might changed depending on what do_something does 20120617 16:53:16-!- artisticdude [~artisticd@vsat-148-64-186-230.c005.g4.mrt.starband.net] has quit [Quit: Be back in a few hours.] 20120617 16:53:38< mordante> if do_something increases 1 by one the version is the loop will still used 0 for every iteration of the loop 20120617 16:53:55< mordante> while the version outside the loop will used the increased version of i 20120617 16:57:49< CIA-87> mordante * r54432 /trunk/src/CMakeLists.txt: 20120617 16:57:49< CIA-87> Move the gui iterator code to a library. 20120617 16:57:49< CIA-87> Trying to offload some code into seperate libraries to improve 20120617 16:57:49< CIA-87> (re)build time. 20120617 16:59:02< CIA-87> alarantalara * r54433 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/05_A_Subterranean_Struggle.cfg: remove some testing code 20120617 17:02:40-!- trademark_ [~trademark@mon69-1-82-67-23-185.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 17:11:14-!- ancestral [~ancestral@75-168-39-185.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: i go sleeps kthxbai] 20120617 17:13:56-!- mattsc [~mattsc@d50-92-196-35.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 17:17:25-!- ancestral [~ancestral@75-168-39-185.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 17:32:55-!- the_new_lipk [~lipk@host-91-147-212-174.biatv.hu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20120617 17:34:07-!- ancestral [~ancestral@75-168-39-185.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: i go sleeps kthxbai] 20120617 17:37:12-!- [Relic] [~relic@99-58-54-211.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20120617 17:49:32-!- ToBeFree [~tobefree@unaffiliated/tobefree] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 17:52:46-!- ancestral [~ancestral@75-168-39-185.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 18:02:46-!- stikonas [~and@bcm-131-111-216-103.girton.cam.ac.uk] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 18:02:46-!- stikonas [~and@bcm-131-111-216-103.girton.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Changing host] 20120617 18:02:46-!- stikonas [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 18:07:57-!- the_new_lipk [~lipk@host-91-147-212-174.biatv.hu] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 18:09:25< anonymissimus> mordante: ah ok, think I get it; it is a logical problem 20120617 18:09:51< anonymissimus> I thought it means that it's unsafe memory-wise or something 20120617 18:11:14< anonymissimus> thx 20120617 18:18:38-!- bumbadadabum [~bumbadada@d114024.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: bumbadadabum] 20120617 18:21:10-!- Elvish_Pillager [~eli@71-10-229-241.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 18:27:11-!- [Relic] [~relic@99-58-54-211.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 18:30:42-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@122x217x180x132.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 18:32:17-!- ancestral [~ancestral@75-168-39-185.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20120617 18:33:09-!- ancestral [~ancestral@75-168-39-185.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 18:37:56-!- ancestral [~ancestral@75-168-39-185.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20120617 18:38:14-!- ancestral [~ancestral@75-168-39-185.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 18:42:42-!- gabba [~gabba@wesnoth/developer/gabba] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 18:43:07< gabba> hey ejls 20120617 18:43:56-!- bumbadadabum [~bumbadada@d114024.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 18:44:04-!- crimson_penguin [~ben@wesnoth/developer/crimsonpenguin] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20120617 19:08:03-!- timotei [~timotei@188.24.2.47] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 19:09:11-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@122x217x180x132.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20120617 19:14:15< mordante> anonymissimus, indeed only a logical problem 20120617 19:14:54-!- bumbadadabum [~bumbadada@d114024.upc-d.chello.nl] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20120617 19:15:01-!- timotei is now known as Guest46946 20120617 19:15:36< CIA-87> mordante * r54434 /trunk/src/CMakeLists.txt: 20120617 19:15:37< CIA-87> Move the gui placer code to a library. 20120617 19:15:37< CIA-87> Trying to offload some code into seperate libraries to improve 20120617 19:15:37< CIA-87> (re)build time. 20120617 19:21:46< gabba> mordante: improved build time is always sweet :) 20120617 19:28:19< anonymissimus> it only improves rebuild time for gui2 code it seems though 20120617 19:29:24< anonymissimus> and the cmake system...perhaps I should try MSVC+cmake some time again whether it still works somehow :P 20120617 19:29:59< mordante> gabba, yes it really makes a big difference for me when building in debug mode 20120617 19:30:34< mordante> anonymissimus, I've more commit pending, just not tested yet. And also outside the gui2 area 20120617 19:30:46< anonymissimus> I notice that gcc debug builds seem to need a ridiculous amount of memory; it is much less in MSVC (similar for CPU) 20120617 19:30:46< mordante> however not surprisingly I started to test that area ;-) 20120617 19:31:16< mordante> maybe it improves that as well, I never had memory issues when compiling 20120617 19:31:24< anonymissimus> and the linking is also much faster done in MSVC 20120617 19:31:39< anonymissimus> however, that's about the only spot where it's faster 20120617 19:32:01< mordante> btw any idea regarding the status of CMake + MSVC, does it work? does anybody use it? 20120617 19:32:53< gabba> I use Cmake + Eclipse, the project generator is old but works well to set up the base 20120617 19:33:03< anonymissimus> mordante: I have 2GB RAM, when I compile wesnoth on ubuntu precise it's using up 1,5 BG of that or so and lasts minutes 20120617 19:33:41< anonymissimus> mordante: I haven't used MSVC+cmake since long and Crab also not AFAIK so it is probably broken 20120617 19:34:14< gabba> Under windows MSVC debug builds are too damn slow to do anything, so I don't think I'll be using MSVC for much longer 20120617 19:34:50< anonymissimus> gabba: when I try MSVC-style debugging on ubuntu with CodeBlocks it isn't faster either 20120617 19:35:06< anonymissimus> mainly due to this ridiculous memory consumption during the linking step 20120617 19:35:41< gabba> Well, I dunno what Codeblocks does, but for me the MSVC debug build has mouse lag 20120617 19:36:12< gabba> Under linux, with Eclipse + gdb I can run 4+ clients and the interface is responsive 20120617 19:36:34< gabba> Since most of what I do is testing UI, guess which one I prefer 20120617 19:36:47< anonymissimus> that is, change something, and debug the change lasts actually longer on Linux; loading wesnoth is much faster than on windows, but the linking step... 20120617 19:36:48< mordante> anonymissimus, maybe you can test with the new code and enable shared libraries, see how much it helps 20120617 19:37:16< the_new_lipk> mordante: I'd hate to be intrusive, but... when do you expect to have some time for my patch? 20120617 19:37:32< anonymissimus> mordante: yeah, probably, once you're done that is worth a try 20120617 19:38:16< gabba> Regarding linking, I used to be able to link wesnoth with the "gold" linker, but I remember it not working last time 20120617 19:38:54< gabba> (Anyways "gold" cannot compile the kernel stuff, so you have to switch linkers when updating graphics card drivers, it's a pain) 20120617 19:41:25< mordante> the_new_lipk, not sure, atm working on private stuff 20120617 19:41:52< mordante> (just test compiling these patches I've had pending for about a month in between) 20120617 19:42:38< mordante> anonymissimus, for me the switch to shared libraries already changed the output library from 1.1GB to about 600MB 20120617 19:43:00< mordante> gabba, I've been using gold for a rather long time without issues 20120617 19:43:11< mordante> at least for Wesnoth, never tried with the kernel 20120617 19:43:29< mordante> but I would expect more issues with the kernel than with Wesnoth 20120617 19:52:32< gabba> mordante: really? hmm, I have to try it again - maybe I can play with symlinks so that only wesnoth uses the gold linker, or something of the sort 20120617 19:55:22< mordante> gabba, are you using Debian? 20120617 20:04:17< gabba> mordante, Ubuntu 20120617 20:06:02< mordante> Debian has a gcc patch which allows using gold when adding -fuse-ld=gold to the compiler flags 20120617 20:06:27< mordante> maybe Ubuntu has it as well, I kind of expect they use the same patch as Debian 20120617 20:20:31-!- Octalot [~noct@host86-128-229-193.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 20:22:58< gabba> mordante: thanks, I'll look into it 20120617 20:23:03< gabba> gotta go, see y'all 20120617 20:23:07-!- gabba [~gabba@wesnoth/developer/gabba] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20120617 20:25:13-!- PolarPanda [~quassel@unaffiliated/peterporty] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 20:25:51-!- the_new_lipk [~lipk@host-91-147-212-174.biatv.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20120617 20:26:18-!- the_new_lipk [~lipk@host-91-147-212-174.biatv.hu] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 20:31:19-!- trademark_ [~trademark@mon69-1-82-67-23-185.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20120617 20:31:29-!- artisticdude [~artisticd@vsat-148-64-186-230.c005.g4.mrt.starband.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 20:31:57-!- PolarPanda [~quassel@unaffiliated/peterporty] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20120617 20:33:15< CIA-87> mordante * r54435 /trunk/src/CMakeLists.txt: 20120617 20:33:15< CIA-87> Move the gui widget definition code to a library. 20120617 20:33:15< CIA-87> Trying to offload some code into seperate libraries to improve 20120617 20:33:15< CIA-87> (re)build time. 20120617 20:38:24-!- PolarPanda [~quassel@unaffiliated/peterporty] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 20:39:21-!- PolarPanda [~quassel@unaffiliated/peterporty] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20120617 20:39:45-!- PolarPanda [~quassel@unaffiliated/peterporty] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 20:45:27-!- the_new_lipk [~lipk@host-91-147-212-174.biatv.hu] has quit [Quit: - )] 20120617 20:48:44-!- Guest46946 is now known as timotei 20120617 20:48:50-!- timotei [~timotei@188.24.2.47] has quit [Changing host] 20120617 20:48:51-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 20:53:42-!- trademark [~trademark@mon69-1-82-67-23-185.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 21:00:00-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20120617 21:00:44-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 21:01:22-!- shadowm_laptop2 [~ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 21:02:15-!- shadowm_laptop is now known as Guest8466 20120617 21:02:15-!- Guest8466 [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Killed (adams.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 20120617 21:02:15-!- shadowm_laptop2 is now known as shadowm_laptop 20120617 21:08:08< CIA-87> alarantalara * r54436 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/05_A_Subterranean_Struggle.cfg: only place troll villages if they will be used 20120617 21:29:23< CIA-87> alarantalara * r54437 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/05_A_Subterranean_Struggle.cfg: 20120617 21:29:23< CIA-87> clean up ENEMY_ATTACK: 20120617 21:29:23< CIA-87> remove array length measurement from loop 20120617 21:29:23< CIA-87> clear all variables used 20120617 21:29:23< CIA-87> move clear of variables out of if to reduce repettion 20120617 21:30:20< mordante> I'm off bye 20120617 21:30:36-!- mordante [~mordante@wesnoth/developer/mordante] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20120617 21:39:19-!- artisticdude [~artisticd@vsat-148-64-186-230.c005.g4.mrt.starband.net] has quit [Quit: artisticdude] 20120617 21:40:51-!- Crendgrim [~crend@77-22-112-72-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20120617 21:42:26-!- Crendgrim [~crend@77-22-112-72-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 21:43:18-!- _mwoodj_ [~mwoodj@pdpc/sponsor/digium/hyper-eye] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 21:46:40< _mwoodj_> Hi. I am a developer on a project called Odamex as well as some others. I have been dealing with the recent OS X issues in libsdl. The fullscreen crash fix release in libsdl-1.2.15 made performance unacceptably poor on older OS's and hardware (ppc in particular.) I found that Wesnoth had the same issues but that you guys had made a custom framework that uses the new code path on 10.7+ and the old code path otherwise. I pulled the fram 20120617 21:46:41< _mwoodj_> ework from Wesnoth and it fixed the performance issues we were having in Odamex. Unfortunately there is a bug in the framework that causes windowed mode to crash on resolution change if part of the window ends up of the screen. 20120617 21:47:09< _mwoodj_> I was hoping I could get the code for your custom SDL framework so that I can attempt to fix this bug. 20120617 21:47:56< _mwoodj_> I have a thread on the libsdl forums related to this issue: http://forums.libsdl.org/viewtopic.php?t=8196&sid=badb66f6b31fdd785b8855537cb8097c 20120617 21:48:32< _mwoodj_> I don't know if they intend to fix or even address this performance issue. 20120617 21:49:40< ancestral> I think you want to talk to alarantalara 20120617 21:49:59< ancestral> Unfortunately it looks like he's not on atm 20120617 21:50:23< _mwoodj_> I have no problem idling until the right person is around if that is alright. 20120617 21:50:48< CIA-87> alarantalara * r54438 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 20120617 21:50:48< CIA-87> Improve undead trolls: 20120617 21:50:48< CIA-87> add the plague description to their custom description 20120617 21:50:48< CIA-87> use variation= at creation instead of applying an object after to make them trolls 20120617 21:51:25< ancestral> …or, he's making commits but not on IRC? 20120617 21:52:08< _mwoodj_> heh... I didn't even notice that was his commit! 20120617 21:52:20< _mwoodj_> Great timing lol 20120617 21:54:28< boucman> if alarantalara is trying to hide, he's doing a por job at it :P 20120617 21:54:30< _mwoodj_> Well... I will stick around and maybe I can talk to him about it later. Having to use a custom framework instead of the blessed release is a bit of a pain but if that is the only solution then that is what has to happen. If I can get the code and fix a bug in it then it would be mutually beneficial for both of our games. 20120617 21:55:53< loonycyborg> I also saw him on the mp server today. 20120617 21:59:14< ancestral> You can always add #wesnoth-dev to your connection list in your IRC client. Or send a memo. Or register an account on the forums and PM him. 20120617 22:00:32< _mwoodj_> Alright. Thanks for the assistance. 20120617 22:08:26< CIA-87> alarantalara * r54439 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/ (3 files in 2 dirs): use map passable placement to simplify finding location for dark assassin 20120617 22:22:07-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-76-202-18-91.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 22:29:28-!- ToBeFree [~tobefree@unaffiliated/tobefree] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20120617 22:31:57-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has quit [Quit: SIGKILL] 20120617 22:35:22< CIA-87> alarantalara * r54440 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/06b_In_the_Domain_of_Dwarves.cfg: do not clear variables that are not set 20120617 22:39:23< CIA-87> alarantalara * r54441 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/06b_In_the_Domain_of_Dwarves.cfg: delete variables with values that are never read 20120617 22:40:59-!- crimson_penguin [~ben@wesnoth/developer/crimsonpenguin] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 22:41:22-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@122x217x180x132.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 22:41:27< CIA-87> alarantalara * r54442 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/06b_In_the_Domain_of_Dwarves.cfg: Jorgi must be alive for movement to trigger explosion of backup charges - no need to check 20120617 22:45:06< CIA-87> alarantalara * r54443 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/06b_In_the_Domain_of_Dwarves.cfg: r54442 makes role=Dwarf High Guard useless - removed 20120617 22:52:03-!- worduk [~jon@77.76.205.90] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 22:53:41-!- worduk [~jon@77.76.205.90] has quit [Client Quit] 20120617 22:54:05-!- worduk [~jon@77.76.205.90] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 22:55:27-!- worduk [~jon@77.76.205.90] has quit [Client Quit] 20120617 23:00:40-!- anonymissimus [~chatzilla@HSI-KBW-078-042-163-105.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 11.0/20120312181643]] 20120617 23:06:16-!- MeccaGod [majs@host189-199.bornet.net] has quit [] 20120617 23:07:24-!- stikonas [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20120617 23:08:35-!- stikonas [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20120617 23:09:17-!- Crendgrim [~crend@77-22-112-72-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: ...] 20120617 23:13:23< CIA-87> alarantalara * r54444 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/01_The_Morning_After.cfg: use macro that does not require appending gender in separate tag to create Nisa 20120617 23:35:12-!- crimson_penguin [~ben@wesnoth/developer/crimsonpenguin] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20120617 23:43:55-!- negusnyul [~negusnyul@1F2EA8F4.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20120617 23:53:31-!- iwontbecreative [~Thibault_@89.180.81.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] --- Log closed Mon Jun 18 00:00:49 2012