--- Log opened Wed Jun 20 00:00:47 2012
--- Day changed Wed Jun 20 2012
20120620 00:00:47< boucman> and you already have a get_singleton in the particle engine iirc
20120620 00:00:53< bloodycoin_m> but how about initialization in play_controller ? or is it not necessary? 
20120620 00:01:18< boucman> does the particle engine need to have init params ?
20120620 00:01:25< bloodycoin_m> nop
20120620 00:01:57< boucman> well... then you can initialize before the play_controller is created and add the singleton to play controller when it is created
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20120620 00:03:44< bloodycoin_m> although... does play_comtroller have to have reference to singleton? o.O
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20120620 00:07:41< boucman> bloodycoin_m: well... it doesn't need to, but it's an usual convention in wesnoth (not sure why, though)
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20120620 00:24:24< jamit> zookeeper: about the SLF and not getting border hexes, you can almost do this (workaround) by filtering for hexes that are adjacent to hexes that are adjacent to 6 hexes. That just leaves out 2 corners.
20120620 00:25:08< zookeeper> jamit, can't you just directly filter for hexes which are adjacent to 6 hexes?
20120620 00:25:12< jamit> It would be filter for hexes that are adjacent to 6 hexes, but for some reason "filter_adjacent" excludes the border, even though SLF in general does not.
20120620 00:25:30< zookeeper> ah ok
20120620 00:25:45< jamit> Might be a bug? It seems inconsistent.
20120620 00:25:59< vultraz> sort of related: I found that a toplevel [time_area] won't work if its SLF covers border hexes
20120620 00:28:00< zookeeper> yeah
20120620 00:28:09< zookeeper> jamit, you wouldn't want to tackle this, would you? :>
20120620 00:28:29< vultraz> but it will work if it's in an event
20120620 00:29:19< jamit> Changing the adjacent filter to include the border looks simple enough. Adding a border= attribute to a SLF might be not simple.
20120620 00:30:39< jamit> But I could look at it later. (I'm currently testing another revision before committing it.) Submit it to the bug tracker so I don't forget it?
20120620 00:31:14< zookeeper> well, i'm still waiting for sapient's consultation and i won't have time to file a report tonight, but maybe tomorrow
20120620 00:31:27< jamit> Sure.
20120620 00:32:06< zookeeper> i severely dislike these kind of inconsistency bugs which cannot be fixed in a backwards-compatible way
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20120620 06:01:27< alexanderthegre> Excuse me, noy, are you present? You told me to come back and see if you had anything for me to do regarding khalifate descriptions... So here I am. If you want me to check back again later, that's fine. 
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20120620 06:24:49< noy> alexanderthegre: maybe friday night would be better
20120620 06:25:08< alexanderthegre> ok.
20120620 06:25:22< alexanderthegre> ...when is night? For me it's now...
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20120620 10:03:44< drake_fangs> hi! i need some help to enable wml syntax highlighting in vi. i am a new vi user and know only basic editing with it
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20120620 14:27:28< Gallifax> Hello
20120620 14:27:38< Gallifax> Wensoth down all day?
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20120620 14:33:30< loonycyborg> Gallifax: Both wesnoth.org and mp servers work for me.
20120620 14:34:06< Gallifax> I cant get to the website, cant get to replay archive, not even sourceforge, and not to any server
20120620 14:34:40< loonycyborg> Seems it's some problem on your end then.
20120620 14:35:02< loonycyborg> Because sourceforge is on totally different domain and servers.
20120620 14:35:04< Gallifax> Its only wesnoth, al else is fine for me
20120620 14:36:53< Gallifax> Odd thing
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20120620 14:42:37< Gallifax> Are there many players on atm?
20120620 14:43:43< Gallifax> Cant get to addonserver either. And seeing the low numbers of ladddergames played since yesterday I guess I am not the only one who cant get on to wesnoth
20120620 14:46:09< loonycyborg> Seems to be lots of them on 1.10, as usual.
20120620 14:46:33< Gallifax> :(
20120620 14:48:08< Gallifax> I didnt do anything since yesterday, no changes on my pc. I dont get what the propblem is
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20120620 14:49:13< Gallifax> When I try to get to alternate servger its telling me its fo 1.9 version of the game
20120620 14:49:36< loonycyborg> What kind of errors do you get exactly when connecting to wesnoth.org?
20120620 14:50:21< Gallifax> it doesnt load
20120620 14:52:17< loonycyborg> Maybe try host, ping and traceroute to at least determine whether it's dns problem or something between you and those servers..
20120620 14:53:23< Gallifax> How I do that?
20120620 14:53:47< loonycyborg> Depends on your os.
20120620 14:53:56< Gallifax> w7
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20120620 14:54:34< loonycyborg> Not sure then. I didn't use it much lately.
20120620 14:54:51< loonycyborg> iirc you query dns with 'nslookup' there.
20120620 14:54:58< loonycyborg> From command line.
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20120620 14:58:44< Gallifax> Its telling me the name of my router and my serveradress
20120620 14:59:02< Gallifax> do I just type wesnoth. org from there?
20120620 14:59:12< loonycyborg> iirc yes.
20120620 14:59:34< loonycyborg> At least iirc it's interactive and responds to 'help'
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20120620 15:01:39< Gallifax> When I type wesnoth.org it tells me the adress, thats it
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20120620 15:03:07< loonycyborg> Gallifax: Is it 65.18.193.12?
20120620 15:03:25< Gallifax> yeah
20120620 15:03:53< loonycyborg> Then dns is working fine.
20120620 15:04:15< loonycyborg> Maybe try ping wesnoth.org?
20120620 15:04:28< Gallifax> From there as well?
20120620 15:04:52< loonycyborg> From command line, not from nslookup
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20120620 15:06:01< Gallifax> timed out 4 times
20120620 15:06:45< loonycyborg> It works for me, so it's not because wesnoth.org blocks pings.
20120620 15:07:55< loonycyborg> Then try 'tracert wesnoth.org'
20120620 15:10:02< Gallifax> I get 4 lines and then only timeouts
20120620 15:10:50< Gallifax> I get as far as 92.79.202.46
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20120620 15:15:11< loonycyborg> Then it's some issue either at your isp or some backbone router went crazy.
20120620 15:16:35< Gallifax> Well seems I cant do anything
20120620 15:17:10< loonycyborg> You can try using a proxy server such as tor :P
20120620 15:17:39< Gallifax> What is backbone router anyway?
20120620 15:18:11< loonycyborg> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_backbone
20120620 15:18:34< Gallifax> Cant imagine theer is an issue with my provider , thats what you meant with isp right? Al else is working
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20120620 15:19:39< Gallifax> Ok thx
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20120620 15:50:37< Gallifax> Well I can get onto wesnoth.org with tor browser, but stil cant get on to multiplayer server
20120620 15:52:53< loonycyborg> There are ways to use tor for arbitrary connections, but no idea how it would work on windows.
20120620 15:56:01< Gallifax> ok
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20120620 16:36:15< Gallifax> Ok I dont get this done with tor, no more wesnioth til it comes back on its own I guess
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20120620 16:52:56< timotei21> Gallifax: just jumping into the discussion: did you try a tracert?
20120620 16:53:06< timotei21> Ah, loonycyborg already told you that
20120620 16:53:32< timotei21> Also, you could try forwarding to ssh instead of Tor
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20120620 22:31:57< bloodycoin_m> boucman: I checked cp ctors, and since I made effect user as a member in unit_anim, effect user cp ctors does not get called, while there are tons of unit_anim calls. It doesn't make sense to "override" cp ctor for unit_anim, when there is pretty low probability, that effect will be used...
20120620 22:32:26< boucman> why not ?
20120620 22:32:29< bloodycoin_m> I mean to override unit_anim cp ctor to create new effect user with new effect for it..
20120620 22:33:15< boucman> the semantic of the cp ctor is that it should return a correct copy of the object, if you add effects in there and they aren't copied properly by the default copy ctor, doing a new one is what you should do...
20120620 22:34:10< bloodycoin_m> but it's the PE, that holds effect, and effect user just points to them
20120620 22:35:11< boucman> bloodycoin_m: btw, I quickly read your mail but didn't give it any thoughts yet
20120620 22:35:48< boucman> bloodycoin_m: but IIUC, two EU can't point to the same E while both are them are running their anims...
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20120620 22:36:42< bloodycoin_m> it's possible now, but shouldn't be so..
20120620 22:37:50< boucman> ok, so I am not sure exactly what the problem is...
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20120620 22:46:26< bloodycoin_m> ok, I can do smart thinks in cp ctors to create new effect user instance only if it has some effects assigned... but imho that looks bit ugly and strange...
20120620 22:47:06< bloodycoin_m> and creating new effect user instance with it's corresponding effect is just too wasteful
20120620 22:49:29< boucman> hmm
20120620 22:49:53< boucman> bloodycoin_m: rather than overwriting the cp ctor of the unit_animation, could you override the cp ctor of effect_user ?
20120620 22:50:00< boucman> would it look less ugly to you ?
20120620 22:51:58< bloodycoin_m> it would be better, but no cp ctor is called (somewhy)... maybe I messed unit_anim cp ctor - trying to recompile w/o it atm
20120620 22:52:28< boucman> bloodycoin_m: I don't think you need to change unit_anim's cpctor if you override EU's cpctor
20120620 22:52:53< bloodycoin_m> gonna try..
20120620 22:52:55< boucman> since it contains a EU, the EU's cpctor will naturally be called recursively, unless you override it
20120620 22:53:24< bloodycoin_m> ok, so, I bit messed it up...
20120620 22:53:38< bloodycoin_m> boucman: there is still issue with PE reset...
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20120620 22:55:27< boucman> what's the problem with it ?
20120620 22:55:37< bloodycoin_m> I cam make it doesn't actually resets by not including it in the init list in play_controller... but that would accumulate unused effect from before, and I am not sure it's dtor would be called on game exit
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20120620 22:56:34< boucman> bloodycoin_m: just remove PE from the play_controller altogether... I am more an more convinced it doesn't belong there 
20120620 22:56:38< bloodycoin_m> because now if it reset on lvl load it loses information on "model effects" created from wml
20120620 22:57:06< bloodycoin_m> ok
20120620 22:59:00< mattsc> Hi, crab_.  I assume you have seen this: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=37054
20120620 22:59:18< boucman> :P
20120620 22:59:36< crab_> hi, mattsc. no, haven't yet. thanks :)
20120620 22:59:42< boucman> we can try and re-add it later if need be, but since it survives the play_controller, it doesn't really make sense to have it in there
20120620 23:00:13< mattsc> I can reply to this and say what's possible to do now (with AI aspects or LAI/FAI), and why some of it is not as easy as it seems, but I cannot speak for what might be done with RCA AI in the future.
20120620 23:03:47< crab_> I will reply with some remarks as well
20120620 23:04:46< mattsc> crab_: Ok, thanks.  I'll let you take the first shot.  :)  (I've almost no free time today anyway)
20120620 23:10:18< crab_> (answered)
20120620 23:14:50< mattsc> Looks good.  I'll also point him to a couple scenarios where I do some of the things he suggests.
20120620 23:16:33< mattsc> I think most people don't realize how good this AI actually plays for an all-purpose AI.  I've tried having the AI attack only from "good terrain" and it looses badly to the RCA AI if it isn't also supported by formation building (which is quite non-trivial)
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20120620 23:32:29< crab_> we're going to commit some refactoring steps soon, as part of 'refactor scenario transitions' gsoc project. if, after that commit, something breaks, please file bug reports or ping me or committer. 
20120620 23:32:31< crab_> the quality of the code is not good enough, but it's better to commit it soon and fix/improve later. the main things should work as before.
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20120620 23:48:57< ancestral> shadowm: What does it mean to have a forum status which is both online and offline?
20120620 23:49:05< ancestral> Ohhhh
20120620 23:49:29< ancestral> Someone's avatar is the online button. Yeah, that's not confusing.
20120620 23:49:42< ancestral> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=531620#p531620
20120620 23:50:16< Crendgrim> so, another one fell for it.
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