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20120621 01:17:31< CIA-87> ejls * r54451 /trunk/ (10 files in 2 dirs): 
20120621 01:17:31< CIA-87> wb::side_actions refactoring.
20120621 01:17:31< CIA-87> Move container's code to wb::side_actions_container, using
20120621 01:17:31< CIA-87> Boost.MultiIndex as underlying container.
20120621 01:17:31< CIA-87> Documentation and improvement of wb::side_actions.
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20120621 01:18:37< Espreon> Hell hath been unleashèd...
20120621 01:19:47< Espreon> Oh well.
20120621 01:20:17< Espreon> Hmmm... or maybe not.
20120621 01:20:24< Espreon> Too lazy to figure out.
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20120621 01:29:59< CIA-87> alarantalara * r54452 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/_main.cfg: Add myself to the credits as yet another maintainer
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20120621 01:40:06< CIA-87> ejls * r54453 /trunk/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Add a test for wb::side_actions_container.
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20120621 01:45:44< CIA-87> ayne * r54454 /trunk/ (10 files in 2 dirs): 
20120621 01:45:44< CIA-87> Scenario transitions refactoring
20120621 01:45:44< CIA-87> Moving gold and recall handling from inside the game to outside. Gold and recalls are handled and stored as carryover info rather than as snapshot.
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20120621 01:58:05< CIA-87> loonycyborg * r54455 /trunk/src/gamestatus.cpp: Fix a compile warning.
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20120621 03:24:26< Alarantalara> I was reading through the text for UtBS and I ran across 5 references to Moradin, the D&D god of the dwarves. I assume we want to be more original than that.
20120621 03:26:11< Alarantalara> I could just expunge the name, but some of the phrases become boring. Does anyone want to give me suggestions for replacements?
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20120621 03:36:55< CIA-87> alarantalara * r54456 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/05_A_Subterranean_Struggle.cfg: Deal with a pair of TODOs
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20120621 04:14:11< CIA-87> alarantalara * r54457 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/05_A_Subterranean_Struggle.cfg: Correct spelling
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20120621 04:45:48< CIA-87> alarantalara * r54458 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/ (24 files in 3 dirs): give the desert elves their own movement type
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20120621 06:52:24< ancestral> Progress on re-doing the Bestiary. http://mproud.com/wesnoth/bestiary/#silver_mage
20120621 06:52:40< ancestral> For now, enter the name of the unit in the hash
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20120621 06:53:23< Sapient> yo
20120621 06:54:07< vultraz> hey
20120621 06:55:00< Sapient> I am pondering this: unit.language_name
20120621 06:55:20< Espreon> Why?
20120621 06:55:39< Sapient> I am trying to think of a more confusing name for it
20120621 06:55:49< Espreon> Why?
20120621 06:55:57 * Sapient joke
20120621 06:56:16 * Espreon doesn't like lame jokes
20120621 06:56:21< Espreon> ... for he is no fun
20120621 06:56:23< Sapient> is this not the unit_type name ?
20120621 06:57:49< Sapient> it seems that $unit.type.name would be the ideal way of retrieving such information, but surely $unit.type_name is better than language_name
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20120621 06:58:33< Espreon> Maybe. Maybe not. Note that .language_name is always translated... so... I guess whoever named it that wanted to emphasize that fact.
20120621 06:58:42< Espreon> But I know nothing of this, so blargh it all.
20120621 06:59:18< Sapient> lots of attributes are translated
20120621 06:59:29< Sapient> none of them are referred thusly
20120621 06:59:54< Espreon> True.
20120621 07:01:06< Espreon> But why do you care so much about it?
20120621 07:01:09< Sapient> also this leads one to (falsely) conclude that unit's name would be untranslated
20120621 07:02:30< Sapient> Espreon: I just have an interest in WML
20120621 07:02:54< Sapient> I enjoy it
20120621 07:03:39< Sapient> I could ask you why you take such an interest in emdashes
20120621 07:03:45< Sapient> versus hyphens
20120621 07:03:49< Espreon> Because the era of typewriters is over.
20120621 07:04:13< Sapient> minus signs
20120621 07:04:17< Sapient> etc
20120621 07:04:45< Espreon> Again, the era of typewriters is over.
20120621 07:04:45< Sapient> You are an easy target when it comes to odd interests my friend ;)
20120621 07:05:00< Espreon> Damn right, I am.
20120621 07:05:44< Espreon> I translate stuff into languages no one speaks, support the act of doing so, and read painful stuff about Classical Nahuatl and Lakota.
20120621 07:06:35< Sapient> even though tools such as wmllint exist, I prefer such design decisions to be straightened out before it causes unexpected trouble for add-on authors
20120621 07:06:52< Sapient> and this is one that I feel deserves rethinking
20120621 07:07:19< Sapient> that is all
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20120621 11:41:23< Elvish_Hunter> Hi all
20120621 11:42:34< Elvish_Hunter> Any C++ coder available to help me with a patch?
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20120621 12:04:23< Nephro> Hi, Crab_, do you have a minute? I've got a design question: if the Lua engine code contains errors the engine will not be created and NULL will be returned(core.cpp:825). Nothing is handled though, so the next access to the engine will make it dereference a NULL and crash to a segfault.
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20120621 12:05:46< Nephro> Actually it will crash inside the constructor itself, when it tries to access the context to set the persistent data
20120621 12:06:57< Crab_> hi
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20120621 12:15:15< Crab_> Nephro: the previous approach used by the code is to not allow creation of LuaAI-based components when there's no lua ai context
20120621 12:15:32< Crab_> i.e. all those if (!lua_ai_context_)   checks
20120621 12:16:02< Nephro> Crab_, ok, then I just need to isolate the unprotected calls to the context
20120621 12:16:35< Crab_> so, if you modify the constructor to not call set_persistent_data, it would *almost* solve the issue
20120621 12:17:02< Crab_> a more proper fix is to ensure that the lua ai engine is not created at all when it's config is bad
20120621 12:19:37< Nephro> Crab_, well, I can add a virtual is_ok() method to the base engine always returning true, and overriding it in lua engine to return context_ ? true : false, and use this method before storing the engine.
20120621 12:19:57< Nephro> I any case it will be created, but if it has no context it will just be deleted
20120621 12:20:57< Nephro> But the probably best scenario would be pre-checking the code, but then it would have to be done twice, because the constructor of the context has to do it anyway
20120621 12:22:07< Nephro> So the is_ok() method seems to be a neat solution
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20120621 12:25:59< Crab_> yes. get_new_instance() in engine.hpp seems like the place to check
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20120621 12:27:01< Crab_> and engine::parse_FOO_from_config already properly checks for the availability of the engine before using it to parse components
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20120621 13:49:42< CIA-87> nephro * r54459 /trunk/src/ai/composite/ (engine.cpp engine.hpp engine_lua.cpp engine_lua.hpp): LuaAI: fixed bug #19782 and made the code more safe.
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20120621 14:27:56< light_mage> hi, need some help with wml syntax highlighting for notepad++. I did the steps as mentioned in the first post here: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=256511
20120621 14:28:14< light_mage> but still any cfg file i open, appears as plain text
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20120621 14:39:15< Crab_> light_mage: at first, check if it is (A) problem with adding the WML language or (B) problem with making notepad++ associate WML with .cfg extension
20120621 14:39:38< Crab_> to do that, you can check if it's possible to select WML language by hand, once you've opened the .cfg file
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20120621 14:41:10< light_mage> Crab_: hi sir, i am not sure if i follow you correctly, but i can select the wml tags like words in  a text file. 
20120621 14:41:50< Crab_> but does the syntax highlight work if you select 'WML' manually from the list of available languages?
20120621 14:42:09< Crab_> in notepad++, you can select the 'language' for syntax highlight by hand, if the language is installed
20120621 14:42:32< light_mage> Crab_: and i can install wml in that? i wasn't aware of this
20120621 14:42:57< light_mage> Crab_: oh it works. thank you so much :)
20120621 14:43:34< Crab_> well, if it works when you select WML manually, then you've correctly done the first step (installing the WML syntax highlight in notepad++).
20120621 14:44:05< Crab_> but, it's also possible to make it switch to 'WML mode' by default if the file extension is .cfg
20120621 14:44:34< light_mage> Crab_: how do i do that?
20120621 14:45:11< light_mage> Crab_: and if some WML tags aren't recognised, it will simply mean that the xml file doesn't contain them, right?
20120621 14:45:16< Crab_> yes
20120621 14:45:36< Crab_> in the xml file, there's <UserLang name="WML" ext="cfg"> which is *supposed* to do that
20120621 14:45:58< Crab_> but, I don't know enough about notepad++ to check what's going wrong if it isn't happening, sorry.
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20120621 14:47:21< light_mage> Crab_: np, thanks for all the help. I think if it doesn't work, I will stick to the manual method. I code less often in windows anyway
20120621 14:47:46< Crab_> ok, good luck, then.
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20120621 20:29:48< bumbadadabum> zookeeper: I think the GUARD_UNIT macro from TRoW should be moved to core
20120621 20:34:26< zookeeper> bumbadadabum, really?
20120621 20:34:47< bumbadadabum> yeah
20120621 20:34:55< bumbadadabum> this one is used commonly
20120621 20:36:16< zookeeper> well, sure, it can be moved if there's a lot of places it'd get used in
20120621 20:36:51< zookeeper> i don't recall seeing a lot of loyal-trait guardians elsewhere though
20120621 20:37:12< bumbadadabum> I don't know
20120621 20:37:24< bumbadadabum> there isn't a non-loyal guardian unit macro though
20120621 20:38:08< bumbadadabum> yeah, mostly non-loyal one
20120621 20:38:11< bumbadadabum> nevermind then
20120621 20:38:48< zookeeper> okay :P
20120621 20:39:06< bumbadadabum> but a GUARD_UNIT and a LOYAL_GUARD_UNIT would be helpful
20120621 20:39:10< mattsc> bumbadadabum: There is GUARDIAN
20120621 20:39:31< bumbadadabum> mattsc: This is much shorter
20120621 20:40:02< mattsc> You safe one line...
20120621 20:40:08< bumbadadabum> yeah
20120621 20:40:12< mattsc> save
20120621 20:40:28< bumbadadabum> isn't that the same thing with loyal units?
20120621 20:40:57< zookeeper> anyway, when suggesting moving a macro to core for purposes of using it in other mainline campaigns, it'd be very handy if you could provide patches for those conversions... there's not much point in doing the move if no one's going to go hunting for places to use the macro in
20120621 20:41:08< bumbadadabum> okay
20120621 20:41:22< bumbadadabum> but an inclusion of a non-loyal guardian unit
20120621 20:41:37< bumbadadabum> if I get a patch of all the locations
20120621 20:41:51< bumbadadabum> it could be made?
20120621 20:42:50< zookeeper> humm. now that i look at the unit macros, it does seem sensible that GUARDIAN is the de facto way of making guardians
20120621 20:42:59< bumbadadabum> it is
20120621 20:43:14< bumbadadabum> but it is such a widespread, trivial thing
20120621 20:44:02< bumbadadabum> It will just make it easier, let's just day that
20120621 20:44:21< bumbadadabum> *say
20120621 20:44:57< zookeeper> well, is it really easier? it's one more macro to look up or remember, whereas GUARDIAN you can use as a suffix to any existing unit-generating macro
20120621 20:45:10< bumbadadabum> you are the judge
20120621 20:45:41< bumbadadabum> I have a guardian macro is one of the standard ones I include in campaigns
20120621 20:48:41< zookeeper> well, i think that if we're trying to make it easier for people to make guardians, then the best way is the current way; having one short and easy to remember way to make any unit a guardian regardless of how you created it, rather than having an extra macro for making one specific kind of guardian (loyal, either with another random traits or not, either with a random name or not, etc)
20120621 20:49:25< zookeeper> it doesn't even require an extra line
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20120621 21:40:57< mattsc> crab_: when I checked out the code for the effects of the different aspects, it looked to me that attack_depth was not actually used by the code (it uses a hard-coded value)
20120621 21:41:09< mattsc> (this is regarding your post)
20120621 21:41:23< crab_> yes, in that case it should be trivial to fix.
20120621 21:46:15< crab_> by just replacing the hardcoded value with the aspect value
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20120621 22:24:21< mattsc> btw, crab_, I think the biggest problem of Lua AI is still that there is no get_attacks() function.  Is this in the pipeline, or has it been shelved for being too difficult?
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20120621 22:33:50< crab_> mattsc: ping nephro about it
20120621 22:34:42< mattsc> crab_: will do
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20120621 22:48:34< shadowm> Ivanovic: remind me again, is it possible to add licensing exceptions to _individual files_ from an add-on in the server? For example, could I say sounds/lala.ogg is CC-by-nc-sa and such? (Also noting that I don't mean dual licensing here.)
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