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20120602 05:42:27< Soul_keeper> hello, after upgrading xfce from 4.8 to 4.10  wesnoth won't let me click buttons unless in fullscreen. Anybody seen this problem ?
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20120602 05:43:35< Espreon> Hmmmmm...
20120602 05:43:57< Espreon> I heard of similar issues with buttons...
20120602 05:44:11< Espreon> ... but I don't actually know anything helpful.
20120602 05:44:28< Soul_keeper> I tried various versions of SDL and png thinking that'd help, but it didn't
20120602 05:44:43< Espreon> Does the terminal tell you anything interesting?
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20120602 05:44:46< Soul_keeper> the only thing i've changed is xfce :(
20120602 05:44:59< Soul_keeper> tells me nothing
20120602 05:45:15< Soul_keeper> mouse over the buttons still highlights them, it just doesn't register a click
20120602 05:45:38< Espreon> Hmmmmmm... well...
20120602 05:45:53< Espreon> Maybe ask mordante about it?
20120602 05:46:22< Soul_keeper> ok, i'll hang around
20120602 05:46:33< Espreon> Well...
20120602 05:46:41< Espreon> ... it'll take awhile for him to show up.
20120602 05:46:47< Espreon> ... And I'm not sure if he comes here.
20120602 05:48:59< Soul_keeper> I've found a few forum threads on the subject I'll work my way thru those I guess
20120602 05:50:45< Soul_keeper> weird reading one thread and they link to another, then that thread links back to the first
20120602 05:50:47< Soul_keeper> :)
20120602 05:52:46< Espreon> Heh.
20120602 05:59:42< Soul_keeper> I guess I should just downgrade xfce back to what it was
20120602 06:00:24< Soul_keeper> thanks
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20120602 06:39:57< Soul_keeper> sure enough downgrading back to xfce 4.8 makes wesnoth work again
20120602 06:40:47< Espreon> I wonder why that is.
20120602 06:40:58< Espreon> Why would the present DE affect Wesnoth?
20120602 06:41:11< Espreon> ... there was this guy who couldn't get the buttons to work on Fluxbox.
20120602 06:41:17< Espreon> *DE/WM/whatever
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20120602 06:51:22< Soul_keeper> I think I like 4.8 better anyways
20120602 06:51:31< Soul_keeper> :)
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20120602 08:47:40< Ivanovic> moin
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20120602 16:11:13< Hulavuta> janebot: !roulette
20120602 16:11:13< janebot> Starting new game of Russian Roulette for this channel.
20120602 16:11:13< janebot> Pulling the trigger on chamber 1.
20120602 16:11:13< janebot> Click. Hulavuta lives this time.
20120602 16:11:26< Gambit> janebot: !roulette
20120602 16:11:26< janebot> Pulling the trigger on chamber 2.
20120602 16:11:26< janebot> Click. Gambit lives this time.
20120602 16:11:40< sur_nhm> janebot: !roulette
20120602 16:11:40< janebot> Pulling the trigger on chamber 3.
20120602 16:11:40< janebot> Click. sur_nhm lives this time.
20120602 16:11:51< Hulavuta> janebot: !roulette
20120602 16:11:52< janebot> Pulling the trigger on chamber 4.
20120602 16:11:52< janebot> Click. Hulavuta lives this time.
20120602 16:12:12< Gambit> janebot: !roulette
20120602 16:12:12< janebot> Pulling the trigger on chamber 5.
20120602 16:12:13< janebot> Click. Gambit lives this time.
20120602 16:12:18< Gambit> sur_nhm: Nice knowing you.
20120602 16:12:23< sur_nhm> Hi.
20120602 16:12:35 * sur_nhm comically misses the point.
20120602 16:12:42< Gambit> I will lie to your family and tell them you didn't die playing virtual russian roulette.
20120602 16:12:51< Gambit> sur_nhm: The gun only has six chambers and it's your turn :(
20120602 16:12:54 * sur_nhm isn't suicidal, thank you very much.
20120602 16:13:05 * sur_nhm laughs evilly.
20120602 16:13:09< Hulavuta> sur_nhm I will take the bullet for you
20120602 16:13:12< Hulavuta> Remember me.
20120602 16:13:16< sur_nhm> Indeed.
20120602 16:13:18< Gambit> NOOOOOOOO!
20120602 16:13:18< Hulavuta> ....Goodbye...
20120602 16:13:19< Gambit> xD
20120602 16:13:20< Hulavuta> janebot: !roulette
20120602 16:13:20< janebot> Pulling the trigger on chamber 6.
20120602 16:13:20< janebot> BANG! Hulavuta is dead.
20120602 16:13:30< Hulavuta> ...I had a dream it would end this way...
20120602 16:13:32< sur_nhm> A toast in Hulavuta
20120602 16:13:37< sur_nhm> 's memory!
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20120602 16:13:44< sur_nhm> (I hate my enter key)
20120602 16:13:54< blarumyrran> #wesnoth is back to its old self!
20120602 16:14:03< Hulavuta> blarumyrran: you are welcome
20120602 16:14:05< blarumyrran> (hint: this is not a good thing)
20120602 16:14:05< sur_nhm> Its old self?
20120602 16:14:14< Hulavuta> blarumyrran: it's all Gambit's fault
20120602 16:14:28 * sur_nhm is, as usual, confused.
20120602 16:14:31< blarumyrran> sur_nhm, hundreds of lines of wesbot abuse & related discussions
20120602 16:14:41< sur_nhm> Ah.
20120602 16:14:51< sur_nhm> Other words, silliness?
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20120602 16:15:03< Hulavuta> I thought it was fun
20120602 16:15:08< Hulavuta> I saved sur_nhm's life
20120602 16:15:29< sur_nhm> It should be sur.nhm, but the system hates the dot in it.
20120602 16:15:30< Gambit> sur_nhm: This channel used to be a lot busier.
20120602 16:15:38< Gambit> Then someone had the bright idea to make #wesnoth-offtopic
20120602 16:15:41< Gambit> And this channel died.
20120602 16:15:44< sur_nhm> Ah.
20120602 16:15:45< Hulavuta> And now nobody talks in either
20120602 16:15:50< Gambit> ^
20120602 16:15:56< Hulavuta> :-/
20120602 16:16:02< Gambit> Someone who is not shadowm or I.
20120602 16:16:07< Gambit> :whistle:
20120602 16:16:37< sur_nhm> Suspiciously specific denial, anyone?
20120602 16:16:39< Gambit> And it certainly wasn't both our ideas. That would mean that we agreed on the worst idea ever. Nope. Didn't happen that way.
20120602 16:16:58< sur_nhm> uspiciously specific denial.
20120602 16:16:59 * Gambit trope-fist-bump's sur_nhm
20120602 16:17:11< sur_nhm> You're a troper too, I see.
20120602 16:17:26< Hulavuta> Aren't we all
20120602 16:17:27< Gambit> TV Tropes Will Enhance Your Life
20120602 16:17:34< sur_nhm> Indeed.
20120602 16:17:41< sur_nhm> But it will Ruin Your Vocab.
20120602 16:17:45< Hulavuta> I can't even watch a movie with my mom without deconstructing it 
20120602 16:17:52< Hulavuta> Especially Hallmark movies
20120602 16:17:55< Hulavuta> they're just too easy
20120602 16:18:09< sur_nhm> Happens to me, too.
20120602 16:18:13< blarumyrran> the kind of people who quote TVTropes are overall very stupid on average
20120602 16:18:33< Hulavuta> blarumyrran: that hurts :'(
20120602 16:18:42< sur_nhm> In fact, I think I got introduced to TVT through Wesnoth's forums.
20120602 16:18:42< blarumyrran> But it's true!
20120602 16:18:53< Hulavuta> sur_nhm: me too
20120602 16:19:06< sur_nhm> I blame Shadowmaster.
20120602 16:19:15< Hulavuta> blarumyrran: what exactly do you mean when you say quote?
20120602 16:19:29< Gambit> sur_nhm: s/blame/thank/ surely :P
20120602 16:19:32< Hulavuta> Like, recognize and acknowledge certain tropes, or memorize entire passages?
20120602 16:19:33< Hulavuta> or
20120602 16:19:33< sur_nhm> Well, #Wesnoth-offtopic is deader than disco, it seems.
20120602 16:19:37< blarumyrran> Okay, s/quote/refer_to
20120602 16:19:56< Hulavuta> blarumyrran: you're not saying people are dumb if they do that, just that dumb people tend to do it often?
20120602 16:19:58< Hulavuta> in your experience
20120602 16:20:06< sur_nhm> Well, TvTropes sucks way too much of my free time. true, it's fun and all, but the waste of time...
20120602 16:20:18< Gambit> Eventually you'll get through 90% of it
20120602 16:20:28< Gambit> And it won't suck any time.
20120602 16:20:36< Gambit> Hang in there! :P
20120602 16:20:38< sur_nhm> It's the PBP RPs, Gambit.
20120602 16:20:38< Hulavuta> WHERE DOING IT MAN
20120602 16:20:38< Hulavuta> WHERE MAKING THIS HAPEN
20120602 16:20:41< blarumyrran> Hulavuta, dumb people form a great part of people who tend to do it often, so people who do it tend to be dumb
20120602 16:20:49< sur_nhm> They're too addictive.
20120602 16:21:28< Gambit> blarumyrran: The same applies to people who make art for Wesnoth.
20120602 16:21:38< Gambit> And every other facet of life.
20120602 16:21:42< blarumyrran> Gambit, to a much lesser extent
20120602 16:21:49< Gambit> I don't think so.
20120602 16:21:53< Gambit> Have you seen the art workshop lately?
20120602 16:23:20< blarumyrran> The more intuitive meaning of "art for Wesnoth" is those who contribute to maineline
20120602 16:23:34< blarumyrran> mainline*
20120602 16:23:49< Hulavuta> blarumyrran: what I meant was that are you implying that it's a cause or is it just a coincidence? Most people have to be dumb to quote, or that people who quote are also dumb coincidentally?
20120602 16:24:05< Gambit> Well then can I limit "people who refer to tvtropes" to "people who refer to tvtropes properly"?
20120602 16:24:22< blarumyrran> Gambit, what is "properly" supposed to mean?
20120602 16:24:56< Gambit> Not potholing for starters.
20120602 16:24:57< Hulavuta> It means: "Answer Hulavuta's question"
20120602 16:25:10< blarumyrran> Gambit, what does "potholing" mean?
20120602 16:25:30< Gambit> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PotHole
20120602 16:25:42< Gambit> [see also: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SinkHole ]
20120602 16:25:53< Hulavuta> OMG GAMBIT REFERRED TO TVTROPES
20120602 16:26:52< blarumyrran> Hulavuta, but what is "coincidence"? Obviously there are some background reasons that force certain kinds of people to refer to tvtropes and the same people to act on the internet in a way that can be seen as dumb compared to the behaviour of some imagined "standard" internet users
20120602 16:27:00< sur_nhm> I have a technical question.
20120602 16:27:12< blarumyrran> is that a "coincidence"? I think coincidence means that the reasons are unknown
20120602 16:28:13< sur_nhm> If I'm using SVN, and I want only to compile the differences between the latest version and what I have (ie, not compile Wesnoth from scratch), what command do I use, assuming it's even possible? (On Xubuntu 12.04)
20120602 16:28:35< blarumyrran> or that the reasons are so disparate that a connection between them is difficult to state in natural language
20120602 16:28:36< sur_nhm> (I'm using SCons)
20120602 16:28:38< blarumyrran> yeah let's go with that
20120602 16:28:40< Gambit> sur_nhm: $ scons
20120602 16:28:47< Gambit> It already does that.
20120602 16:28:48< sur_nhm> Thanks.
20120602 16:28:56< Hulavuta> Coincidence in this case means that it's not necessarily the cause
20120602 16:29:01< Hulavuta> but if you mean online then I agree
20120602 16:29:25< sur_nhm> Hm... I don't know why it takes 95% of the CPU's resources... Must be because my PC is old.
20120602 16:30:30< Gambit> uh
20120602 16:30:38< sur_nhm> OK, it's more like 50%, but still...
20120602 16:30:42< Gambit> compiling will take everything that it can in order to not take very long
20120602 16:30:54< sur_nhm> Hm...
20120602 16:31:10< Gambit> More resources = less time
20120602 16:31:27< Gambit> On multicore CPUs you can make it take even more resources and go even faster with the -j switch
20120602 16:31:28< sur_nhm> I see.
20120602 16:31:33< Gambit> for example: $ scons -j2
20120602 16:31:44< Gambit> To make it start two threads
20120602 16:31:57< sur_nhm> That makes sense, then, for it to take 95% of the CPU if it's the only thing that's running.
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20120602 16:46:03< Hulavuta> janebot: !roulette
20120602 16:46:03< janebot> Starting new game of Russian Roulette for this channel.
20120602 16:46:03< janebot> Pulling the trigger on chamber 1.
20120602 16:46:03< janebot> Click. Hulavuta lives this time.
20120602 16:46:08< Hulavuta> It's time to die agai
20120602 16:46:10< Hulavuta> again
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20120602 16:49:00< Gambit> janebot: !roulette
20120602 16:49:01< janebot> Pulling the trigger on chamber 2.
20120602 16:49:01< janebot> BANG! Gambit is dead.
20120602 16:49:56< Hulavuta> Gambit: That's what you get
20120602 16:50:01< Hulavuta> For being so smug last game
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20120602 16:55:08 * sur_nhm derps.
20120602 16:55:49 * Hulavuta herps?
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20120602 16:56:43< Gambit> Gooby pls
20120602 16:57:02< Hulavuta> Gooby?
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20120602 16:59:18< sur_nhm> Gooby?
20120602 16:59:42< Gambit> elinchado pls
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20120602 17:00:17< Gambit> enchilado: elinchadio pls!
20120602 17:05:58< sur_nhm> Hm, odd.
20120602 17:06:29< sur_nhm> I checked my PM box, and the new message said 'message was removed by author before it was delivered'.
20120602 17:06:34< sur_nhm> What's happening here?
20120602 17:07:06< Hulavuta> I guess the person who sent it deleted it
20120602 17:07:09< Hulavuta> before you could read it
20120602 17:07:22< sur_nhm> That does sound a bit fishy...
20120602 17:07:35< Gambit> I hate it when I get those.
20120602 17:07:49< Gambit> I've asked shadowm to disable them, but he likes the feature :(
20120602 17:08:20< sur_nhm> Hm. It might be because the person who sent it to me was banned or something.
20120602 17:08:37< Hulavuta> I just wish it would remove the PM completely
20120602 17:08:47< Hulavuta> It just tells you "LAWL THIS GUY SENT YOU A MESSAGE BUT YOU CAN'T READ IT LAWL"
20120602 17:09:07< Hulavuta> and then I get curious and go OCD trying to find out what was in it
20120602 17:09:43< sur_nhm> Yes, it is indeed annoying.
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20120602 20:08:44< Gambit> shadowm: So I guess #wesnoth-offtopic can die
20120602 20:08:48< Gambit> And we'll just spam here again.
20120602 20:09:20< Gambit> And on that note, LOL: https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/jonah-goldberg-beat-the-socialism-out-of-a-skinny-vegan-brooklynite-comedian
20120602 20:09:58< sur_nhm> Err what.
20120602 20:10:21< Gambit> It didn't make much sense to me either until the last paragraph.
20120602 20:10:38 * blarumyrran thought the offtopic channel was called #wesnoth-music
20120602 20:10:53< Gambit> Haha
20120602 20:11:04< blarumyrran> but that's emptier too now than I remember
20120602 20:17:08< blarumyrran> Gambit!
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20120602 20:17:49< blarumyrran> You had that era with pokemons and another with arbitrarily colored spaceships, right?
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20120602 22:36:53< Gambit> blarumyrran: mhm
20120602 22:38:59< blarumyrran> Are you still making those, & what was the spaceship one called?
20120602 22:40:36< Gambit> No and "Dynamica" respectively
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