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20120626 08:17:26< jo-erlend> I seem to remember having played a fairly long campaign with Elven heroes. But I don't think it was neither Legend of Wesmere nor Heir to the Throne. Do I remember incorrectly? 
20120626 08:17:54< shadowm> Mainline, or add-on?
20120626 08:19:14< jo-erlend> I don't remember. 
20120626 08:19:44< shadowm> I suspect there are dozens of add-on campaigns with elvish protagonists. Mainline, there's also An Orcish Incursion.
20120626 08:21:01< shadowm> Some people may consider Under the Burning Suns to be long, but it doesn't have forest elves.
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20120626 08:25:56< jo-erlend> it did include forrest elves, because I remember getting Captains, etc. And I remember it was split in half and that there were caves. :)
20120626 08:26:18< shadowm> Ugh. That sounds dangerously like my own campaign, Invasion from the Unknown.
20120626 08:26:19< jo-erlend> caves with trolls in them. Lots of trolls. 
20120626 08:26:57< shadowm> Mine doesn't have more than one scenario with troll, though.
20120626 08:26:59< shadowm> *trolls
20120626 08:28:47< jo-erlend> downloading :)
20120626 08:29:16< Rhonda> I'll be updating the backports of 1.10 to squeeze (and in ubuntu) next week, just in case anyone wonders.
20120626 08:32:55< jo-erlend> Rhonda, ah, that's good news. Thanks! :)
20120626 08:36:34< jo-erlend> shadowm, no, that doesn't seem to be it, unless it has changed much since 1.6?
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20120626 08:37:26< shadowm> Nope, it hasn't.
20120626 08:37:37< jo-erlend> by the way; are all the campaigns that were available for 1.6 still available, or have there been compatibility breaks that's prevented some from being kept?
20120626 08:38:43< shadowm> That's mostly up to the campaign authors. In general, we don't make any guarantees regarding syntax and behavior between stable series, so most of the time add-ons require to be ported to the new series.
20120626 08:39:09< shadowm> Active and efficient authors tend to do that during development versions instead of waiting for the next stable, though.
20120626 08:41:03< jo-erlend> right. But that means there's a chance that the campaign I was talking about is just no longer available?
20120626 08:41:19< shadowm> Yes.
20120626 08:42:06< shadowm> I don't really play add-on campaigns myself, so I guess I haven't heard of it (assuming that when you said "split in half" you meant it has two entries in the Campaigns menu).
20120626 08:47:31< jo-erlend> oh.. No, that's not what I meant. The fellowship is split. One half travels one way while the others do something else. Then they rejoin, I think.
20120626 08:47:51< shadowm> Ohhhhhh.
20120626 08:47:58< shadowm> Yeah, never heard of it.
20120626 08:49:57< jo-erlend> and there was a civil war, I think. 
20120626 08:51:50< jo-erlend> damn. I remember I really enjoyed that one. :)
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20120626 09:28:27< jo-erlend> one thing that's never made sense to me, is that it is the abushed unit that decides whether to attack and gets to hit first. Isn't that very strange? 
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20120626 09:32:22< shadowm> It is consistent with which controlling side's turn it currently is. There is more to ambushing than just stumbling upon adjacent hidden units.
20120626 09:33:43< shadowm> i.e. if you are controlling the ambusher, you _can_ ensure your enemy doesn't find your ambusher first, and then you can decide to attack revealing yourself in the process.
20120626 09:33:57< zookeeper> "it is the abushed unit that decides whether to attack and gets to hit first" what?
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20120626 09:36:54< jo-erlend> zookeeper, I've setup a couple of units in ambush and move a weak unit passed them in order to lure your relatively weak unit to stumble onto the ambushers. They should kill your unit. Instead, it's up to you to attack or not attack. But shadowm's explanation makes sense. :)
20120626 09:38:22< jo-erlend> by the way; In Legend of Wesmere, Cleodil has a trait that makes Kalenz fight better when she is at his side. I think it's called "elevates"? That's not mentioned in the manual. 
20120626 09:39:17< shadowm> Because it's a campaign-specific trait, ability, or whatever. Those are even more common in user-made content.
20120626 09:40:10< shadowm> The game should automatically generate a help entry for it in any case.
20120626 09:40:54< shadowm> Okay, it is "elates", and it's an ability.
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20120626 10:21:25< jo-erlend> shadowm, but it is specific to that campaign?
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20120626 11:02:03< zookeeper> jo-erlend, an ability which makes kalenz fight better when next to cleodil? yeah, i'm pretty sure it's specific to that campaign
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20120626 11:52:13< jo-erlend> "elate".
20120626 11:52:21< jo-erlend> zookeeper, "elates"
20120626 11:54:40< zookeeper> yes, that's what he said it's called.
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20120626 15:09:50< Nemedis> any tips for Ka-Gatta scenario in Summoners campaign? bats are overwhelming... they resp depends in any way at move speed of my units?
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20120626 16:01:43< jo-erlend> zookeeper, It's as if the entire world is trying very hard to make things difficult for me today. :)
20120626 16:02:45< jo-erlend> the reason I asked was to be sure it was not supposed to be mentioned under abilities in the manual. Otherwise, I'd file a bug.
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20120626 21:50:59< shadowm> jo-erlend: Uh, I did provide you with the complete answer when I was around, so I'm not sure how the world was trying hard to make things difficult for you today...
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20120626 22:43:04< jo-erlend> shadowm, mostly elsewhere. :)
20120626 22:43:48< jo-erlend> I was <shadowm> Okay, it is "elates", and it's an ability. <-- I read that as if you had misunderstood my question and that "elates" is a normal ability. I just wanted to confirm. 
20120626 22:44:01< jo-erlend> no big deal. Sorry if I made it seem that way. 
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