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20120706 04:44:32< jamit> ^ The real goal is the multi-location version of get_tiles_radius(), but I thought I would look at the simpler version first.
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20120706 15:41:30< lipkab> I'm wondering if Wesnoth could commission music like it does with art.
20120706 15:43:00< lipkab> Pent's collecting some long forgotten track for UMC Music, including multiple unfinished pieces by Tyler Johnson. It'd be pretty cool to have those finished.
20120706 15:43:19< lipkab> Maybe a little financial boost would make the trick...
20120706 15:52:54< zookeeper> i don't see why not
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20120706 16:53:46< lipkab> zookeeper: where should I bring this up, by the way? I feel that IRC is not the proper place, stuff gets sunken way too easily here...
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20120706 17:00:23< zookeeper> lipkab, err, good question. i'd ask noy and/or jetrel, i guess.
20120706 17:00:53< boucman> hey all
20120706 17:01:29< lipkab> hi boucman
20120706 17:01:36< boucman> hey*
20120706 17:01:58< lipkab> zookeeper: ok, thanks.
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20120706 17:10:25< vultraz> speaking of music, IMHO I think telaron's 'Land of Adventure' could be good enough for mainline.
20120706 17:13:03< vultraz> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=487756#p487756
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20120706 17:50:55< mordante> servus
20120706 17:52:05< mordante> Akihara, I'm around, ping me when you're around
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20120706 19:08:32< bloodycoin_m> boucman: uddates!
20120706 19:08:57< bloodycoin_m> /s/uddates/updates
20120706 19:10:45< vultraz> loll uddates XD
20120706 19:11:23< vultraz> sounds like something a cow does..
20120706 19:11:55< bloodycoin_m> xD interesting way to interpret xD
20120706 19:19:13< Ivanovic> hi
20120706 19:19:39< lipkab> hi Ivanovic
20120706 19:22:42< vultraz> hey
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20120706 19:40:27< CIA-87> anonymissimus * r54598 /trunk/projectfiles/CodeBlocks/wesnoth.cbp: CB project update
20120706 19:40:36< CIA-87> anonymissimus * r54599 /trunk/projectfiles/VC9/wesnoth.vcproj: VC9 project update
20120706 19:40:44< CIA-87> anonymissimus * r54600 /trunk/src/global.hpp: reenable MSVC warning C4099 since CLang has a similar warning
20120706 19:40:52< CIA-87> anonymissimus * r54601 /trunk/src/floating_point_emulation.hpp: fix MSVC warning about struct/class discrepancy
20120706 19:41:00< CIA-87> anonymissimus * r54602 /trunk/src/whiteboard/highlighter.hpp: fix MSVC warnings about struct/class discrepancy
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20120706 19:43:07< anonymissimus> vultraz: perhaps you should handle this patch: http://gna.org/patch/?3371
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20120706 19:46:05< mattsc> Hey, anonymissimus, brief lua question: with wesnoth.wml_actions I can only change ActionWML tags, right?
20120706 19:46:42< anonymissimus> mattsc: of course
20120706 19:46:51< mattsc> In other words, there's no way of adding tags/parameters to [side][ai] from lua, or is there?
20120706 19:47:04< boucman> bloodycoin_m: ok, cool, but i'm about to leave, we'll discuss it tomorow
20120706 19:47:49< anonymissimus> mattsc: I would think that yes
20120706 19:49:13< mattsc> anonymissimus: ok.  So if I want to add map-specific AI hints, I'll have to do that in an event rather than in the side definition.  That's fine, just wanted to know.  Thanks.
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20120706 19:54:44< mattsc> boucman: thanks for the post.  There are a couple things I still want to do about the grunt rush (and then it needs a bit of cleaning up), otherwise I like that idea.
20120706 19:57:24< mordante> anonymissimus, nice to see, odd that clang didn't get those instances
20120706 19:58:08< mordante> btw I don't use clang normally (Debian stable) only in my test suite (Debian unstable)
20120706 20:06:44< mattsc> anonymissimus: ah, hmm: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&p=532737&sid=eef564282da2882f53cbab420f55153c#p532737  (interesting timing)
20120706 20:07:40< mattsc> I haven't used wesnoth.game_events yet.  I'll look into that.
20120706 20:10:10< anonymissimus> lipkab: http://gna.org/patch/?3360 is yours ?
20120706 20:12:21< anonymissimus> lipkab: did you look up bug 19056 ? I'm sure I had a good reason for putting that update_gui_to_player call there
20120706 20:20:14< anonymissimus> lipkab: the problem with such changes is that fixing some bug often introduces another one which the committer didn't think about and I suspect this happens here, as the 
20120706 20:29:41< anonymissimus> ...gui_->set_team(team_index, observe); call from update_gui_to_player is no longer called
20120706 20:30:02< anonymissimus> pls test at least whether the bug I mentioned is still fixed
20120706 20:30:19< lipkab> anonymissimus: no, frankly, I didn't do any research. But that call was causing problems.
20120706 20:30:28< lipkab> ok
20120706 20:30:55< anonymissimus> (and the mentioned bug is a severe one, unlike yours, probably)
20120706 20:32:21< lipkab> (btw, I didn't exactly remove that call - in fact, I just moved it to a different place and added some necessary checks)
20120706 20:32:46< anonymissimus> but the logic isn't the exact same
20120706 20:33:09< anonymissimus> well, I'm not enough into it/don't remember to judge
20120706 20:34:47< anonymissimus> the multiplayer engine is very fragile; http://gna.org/bugs/?16299 was lying around for years, despite being very annoying
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20120706 20:43:32< lipkab> anonymissimus: yeah, I apparently broke it, though in a different way
20120706 20:44:19< anonymissimus> ;)
20120706 20:44:33< lipkab> it doesn't switch to the other side's viewpont at all
20120706 20:45:36< lipkab> now I tweaked it a bit, testing again
20120706 20:49:11< lipkab> anonymissimus: hotfix tweak didn't work. I'll look into it, thank you for reporting.
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20120706 21:31:53< loonycyborg> mordante: I'm afraid we'll have to get rid of #define foreach BOOST_FOREACH after all because fix for issue with it was reverted in 1.50
20120706 21:53:19< mordante> loonycyborg, I don't mind, actually I never was really fond of foreach
20120706 21:53:38< mordante> are you going to commit it?
20120706 21:53:55< mordante> if so maybe remove the entire foreach.hpp as well
20120706 21:54:19< loonycyborg> Already working on it.
20120706 21:54:42< mordante> ok nice
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20120706 22:13:08< anonymissimus> are the times in the irc logs actually set to middle-european summer time or do I just somehow see it like that because that's my time zone ?
20120706 22:14:13< zookeeper> they're set to that, yes
20120706 22:15:46< anonymissimus> ok so the people from the other parts of the words here see some weird time they cannot put a good meaning into ? (I would have expected GMT or so)
20120706 22:15:50< shadowm> mordante: you were never really fond of the foreach alias, or the BOOST_FOREACH implementation?
20120706 22:16:38< shadowm> anonymissimus: I for one became used to CET for official stuff here over the years.
20120706 22:16:58< shadowm> Even wesnoth.org itself uses CET.
20120706 22:17:56< shadowm> (Or CEST, as it is the case when DST is in effect.)
20120706 22:19:18< mordante> shadowm, not really especially since at work I use BOOST_FOREACH so had to think about using foreach in Wesnoth
20120706 22:20:50< mordante> anonymissimus, it happens to be Rhonda's timezone as well and she creates the logs (at least the ones at wesnoth.debian.net)
20120706 22:21:27< Rhonda> My timezone is CET (utc-6)
20120706 22:22:24< Rhonda> anonymissimus: But I can set wesbot's timezone to UTC, you are right. Would make more sense.
20120706 22:22:42< Rhonda> erm, CST, not CET  :)
20120706 22:22:45< mordante> UTC-6 ?
20120706 22:23:04< Rhonda> ~$ cat /etc/timezone 
20120706 22:23:04< Rhonda> America/Managua
20120706 22:23:29< mordante> yeah ok, I was confused by the CET(utc-6)
20120706 22:23:34< shadowm> irclogs.w.o (lobby's logs) use CET/CEST though.
20120706 22:24:02< mordante> are you on vacation or did you move?
20120706 22:24:16< shadowm> IMHO it's easier to refer to both logs knowing that they use the same timezone in case something bad happens to lobby or wesbot.
20120706 22:24:35< Rhonda> mordante: http://debconf12.debconf.org/ (it's this time of the year again)
20120706 22:25:17< shadowm> mordante: So you mean the foreach alias, okay. I'm not really fond of the Boost implementation anyway, it creates a lot of load at compile time and it's used for very trivial cases in Wesnoth.
20120706 22:25:17< mordante> of course, silly me
20120706 22:25:44< Rhonda> shadowm: Then we should do an /exec $ENV{'TZ'} = "UTC"; in the lobby irssi, too.  :)
20120706 22:25:51< anonymissimus> shadowm: the posting times in the forum are set to CET ? note that I look at them while being logged out
20120706 22:26:14< mordante> shadowm, yes only the alias, I like the general feature of BOOST_FOREACH
20120706 22:26:17< Rhonda> mordante: No, not silly.  How should you know such stuff when not involved enough.  :)
20120706 22:26:18< shadowm> anonymissimus: UTC. I meant wesnoth.org as in the system/shells itself/themselves.
20120706 22:26:35< shadowm> forums.w.o (and presumably wiki.w.o) use UTC for display.
20120706 22:26:51< Rhonda> shadowm: forums use whatever tell the forum software to use …
20120706 22:27:06< Rhonda> baaaad reasoning  :P
20120706 22:27:11< shadowm> Exactly, and it was configured to use UTC.
20120706 22:27:50< loonycyborg> shadowm: boost.foreach is merely a hack before it's possible to use C++0x for( : ) construct :P
20120706 22:27:52< shadowm> Users can choose their own timezones in their account settings.
20120706 22:28:25< mordante> Rhonda, well I happen to read some Debian developer lists ;-) So the place should sound familiar
20120706 22:28:31< shadowm> loonycyborg: Yeah, but how long until C++0x is supported by the default compilers in all of our currently supported platforms?
20120706 22:28:36< shadowm> I mean C++11 argh.
20120706 22:29:21< mordante> quite a while, the next Debian stable won't have a C++11 compliant compiler
20120706 22:29:39< loonycyborg> It'll come when we'll least expect it: on next Xmas :P
20120706 22:30:07< shadowm> Will gcc 4.8 be C++11-compliant then?
20120706 22:30:50< mordante> maybe, GCC-4.7 is already rather compliant, maybe even the most compliant compiler available
20120706 22:31:53 * anonymissimus recalls a certain c++11 std::stable_sort bug
20120706 22:31:54< mordante> also the next MSVC release won't be compliant
20120706 22:33:13< anonymissimus> as for MSVC, some people also prefer older versions due to better performance
20120706 22:33:21< anonymissimus> (me)
20120706 22:34:14< shadowm> Surely you can use an older IDE with a newer compiler, though.
20120706 22:34:28< anonymissimus> that hopefully works...
20120706 22:34:52< mordante> the only question is then, what's slow the compiler or the IDE ;-)
20120706 22:34:56< anonymissimus> not sure whether it does with MSVC, never tried with a different compiler
20120706 22:35:29< anonymissimus> they changed the UI stuff a lot going from 2008 to 2010, so its at least partly the IDE
20120706 22:35:39< mordante> ok
20120706 22:36:21< shadowm> I for one can attest that it's the compiler input that's grown larger and more complex over the time.
20120706 22:38:28< mordante> looking at http://blogs.msdn.com/b/vcblog/archive/2011/09/12/10209291.aspx
20120706 22:38:49< mordante> the supported features by the next version of MSVC look rather sad
20120706 22:39:38< mordante> especially the omission of deleted and defaulted functions
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20120706 22:43:01< timotei> You can change the compiler used on MSVC IIRC
20120706 22:44:25< anonymissimus> timotei: just googled a bit; it seems that it's almost impossbile or at least very hard to do
20120706 22:44:45< anonymissimus> not like in IDEs like CodeBlocks where you can easily set it
20120706 22:44:48< timotei> anonymissimus: depends on how you set the MSBuild parameters IIRC
20120706 22:47:06< anonymissimus> although I just found this http://www.codeproject.com/Tips/105011/Using-Visual-Studio-2008-IDE-with-Visual-C-2010-co which seems to be a nie fitting article, but I don't want to dive into it, there's really no need atm
20120706 22:49:42< fendrin> I have that request from a German modder of another ancient turn based strategy game. I think it's some kind of panzer general fork. He wants to pay a windows developer for getting some work done.
20120706 22:49:59 * fendrin wonders if a windows coder is interested.
20120706 22:52:06< mordante> I'm off night
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