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20120720 03:42:34< CIA-87> alarantalara * r54790 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/02_Across_the_Harsh_Sands.cfg: Making taking the ring and holy water optional and not available to the dust devil. Also call the holy water holy water everywhere instead of holy in some places and pure in others.
20120720 03:50:50< CIA-87> alarantalara * r54791 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/09_Blood_is_Thicker_Than_Water.cfg: Zhul cannot know the gender of a unit she has never seen or had identified for her.
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20120720 04:17:05< CIA-87> alarantalara * r54793 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/09_Blood_is_Thicker_Than_Water.cfg: Remove saw_mermaid_enchantress variable
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20120720 04:27:32< CIA-87> alarantalara * r54794 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/09_Blood_is_Thicker_Than_Water.cfg: Move condition so test is done in event it is associated with
20120720 04:40:31< CIA-87> alarantalara * r54795 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/09_Blood_is_Thicker_Than_Water.cfg: Have units speak instead of locations.
20120720 04:44:05< CIA-87> alarantalara * r54796 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/ (15 files): No need to name the scenario in comments before naming the scenario in WML
20120720 04:49:57< CIA-87> alarantalara * r54797 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/ (6 files): Make all the testing units generic with no id. They certainly do not need names
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20120720 06:48:03< CIA-87> jamit * r54800 /trunk/src/ (mouse_events.cpp mouse_events.hpp whiteboard/move.cpp): Eliminate some no longer useful parameters (for unit movement).
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20120720 07:04:49< CIA-87> jamit * r54801 /trunk/src/ (actions.cpp mouse_events.cpp): Some code cleanup (for interrupted unit moves).
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20120720 07:58:36< vultraz> hey Jetrel
20120720 07:58:46< Jetrel> Yeah?
20120720 07:59:27< vultraz> just saying hi, you're not usually in here ;)
20120720 08:06:36< Jetrel> Yeah.  Mostly from a need to get actual work done. :/
20120720 08:08:07< Jetrel> Meta-work is often the enemy of actual work.
20120720 08:09:51< shadowm> What the hell is meta-work?
20120720 08:11:37< Jetrel> shadowm:   activities meant to augment working speed, work that is "about" other work.
20120720 08:11:47< Jetrel> shadowm:   meetings, discussion, planning, documentation.
20120720 08:12:22< shadowm> Oh right, the kind of stuff that almost never takes place here.
20120720 08:12:45< Jetrel> all of these things can in fact augment the speed of doing real work, as long as they're done in moderation.
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20120720 12:54:20< vultraz> Ivanovic: http://opengameart.org/content/heroic-demise-updated-version could I use that in my wesnoth addon if I got the author's permission?
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20120720 13:22:53< Crab_> vultraz: if you get the author's permission to place the content under the conditions of GPL and choose to do so..
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20120720 15:45:40< CIA-87> jamit * r54802 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Refactor the parameters for move_unit(), eliminating two no-longer-useful ones.
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20120720 16:45:47< fendrin> hi AI0867
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20120720 16:50:05< zookeeper> fendrin, so what did you need me for the other day?
20120720 17:00:31< fendrin> hi zookeeper
20120720 17:01:07< fendrin> I have talked to the guy who coded a new random map generator.
20120720 17:01:47< fendrin> It's working on base of a seed value, producing the same map again with the same seed, but you can still modify the map by making it winter etc.
20120720 17:02:18< fendrin> It is currently a standalone program.
20120720 17:02:33< zookeeper> okay...
20120720 17:03:24< fendrin> boucman made me the contact person for the coder, he thought it might fit my current work on the editor.
20120720 17:04:29< fendrin> Most people agree that the old map generator wasn't fit for producing balanced maps thus replacing the generator with a new one should be okay.
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20120720 17:04:53< fendrin> Still I am concerned with the wml incompatibilities.
20120720 17:05:38< fendrin> I could just add the new generator on side with the old one.
20120720 17:06:23< boucman> fendrin: naive question, why is there compatibility problem ? random maps are generated once and for all, or is there deeper incompatibilities I don't see ?
20120720 17:06:56< fendrin> boucman: The random map generator can be called by WML.
20120720 17:07:31< fendrin> boucman: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/MapGeneratorWML
20120720 17:08:18< lipkab> (There're even add-ons of special map generator configurations)
20120720 17:08:24< fendrin> boucman: This is done in a [scenario], meaning the map is regenerated every time the player reaches the scenario.
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20120720 17:09:01< boucman> hmm, ok, I see
20120720 17:09:56< fendrin> The new one just don't fits the "interface". There is no concept of "temperature" with the new generator.
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20120720 17:10:22< boucman> hmm, that WML can't evolve to support generator specific params ?
20120720 17:10:59< zookeeper> umm, well surely the new generator is separate from the old one
20120720 17:11:04< zookeeper> if not then that's a blunder
20120720 17:11:38< zookeeper> i mean, surely the new generator will be made to be separate from the old one and invoked with different WML, if/when it'll be incorporated into the game
20120720 17:13:50< fendrin> If we start to incooperate several different random map generators, the architecture of Wesnoth should support that, together with WML that supports generator specific params.
20120720 17:14:19< fendrin> I mean, there should be some kind of framework where you just connect generators into.
20120720 17:15:11< boucman> yes, that would be nice, but probably beyond what the original contributor can/is ready to do
20120720 17:15:50< fendrin> Yes, I am not quite sure what to tell him.
20120720 17:15:58< fendrin> I like the results of his work.
20120720 17:16:24< fendrin> The maps look fine, the seed is a wonderful thing. 
20120720 17:16:44< zookeeper> no comment. if it's not terribly difficult to make it a completely separate alternate generator, then i'd suggest doing that. otherwise i guess you'd just have to replace the old generator with the new (assuming no big WML conversions are needed) and deprecate temperature and other unneeded params?
20120720 17:17:57< fendrin> I can just skip the WML support for the generator.
20120720 17:18:19< fendrin> And make him the one being called from the editor or the multiplayer lobby.
20120720 17:19:39< fendrin> Campaigns will still work like expected and we can see what to do WML wise later.
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20120720 17:20:36< fendrin> hi anonymissimus
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20120720 17:28:50< boucman> fendrin: yeah probably the best we can do
20120720 17:33:25< fendrin> okay, i will tell him so.
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20120720 17:58:43< CIA-87> akihara * r54803 /trunk/ (changelog src/ai/formula/function_table.cpp): new ai formula 'aki_eval' for testing a battle evaluation
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20120720 18:14:54< anonymissimus> hi fendrin 
20120720 18:15:16< anonymissimus> jamit: I've got a bug report (you are likely the suspect:P)
20120720 18:15:42< lipkab> Who was the one who made it so that "Cancel" multiplayer_connect doesn't send you back to the lobby/main screen? I'd like to give him a pancake.
20120720 18:15:54< lipkab> *"Cancel" in
20120720 18:16:14< jamit> You think so?
20120720 18:16:35< anonymissimus> jamit: start any mp game with shroud/fog, recruit a unit which should update the fog since it has random traits - that update doesn't happen, even if I choose "update shroud now"
20120720 18:18:17< jamit> Hmm.... I thought that was happening, but I'll take a look.
20120720 18:18:42< anonymissimus> jamit: and important extra info, you need top have DSU enabled
20120720 18:19:09< jamit> Already figured that. ;)
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20120720 18:59:04< timotei> Apple now requires application icons with the size 1024x1024!!
20120720 18:59:09< timotei> That's... much
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20120720 19:07:14< boucman> I guess they downsize depending on the need...
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20120720 20:19:45< jamit> How difficult would it be to do something like create a new subdirectory of trunk/src, then split actions.cpp into several files in that subdirectory?
20120720 20:20:03< jamit> I mean as far as updating the build files.
20120720 20:21:21< lipkab> I don't think that would mean anything more than adding some new sourcefiels and that is obviously rather trivial.
20120720 20:21:30< lipkab> *sourcefiles
20120720 20:22:43< boucman> yeah, rather easy, i'd say....
20120720 20:23:02< boucman> build it both with scons and cmake, just to be sure, but overal should be trivial
20120720 20:23:37< CIA-87> jamit * r54804 /trunk/src/ (actions.cpp menu_events.cpp): Quick fix for (non-undoable) recruits not updating fog when DSU is on.
20120720 20:25:34< jamit> It's the biggest file in src, so maybe it would be a good idea. It does have a few independent parts (e.g. attack, move). I'll keep it in mind.
20120720 20:26:37< vultraz> Ivanovic: could I use this in my addon if I got the author's permission? http://opengameart.org/content/heroic-demise-updated-version
20120720 20:30:02< Ivanovic> vultraz: have you not seen what Crab_ replied?
20120720 20:30:10< Ivanovic> that is exactly what is the only thing i can say, too
20120720 20:31:14 * vultraz scrolls back
20120720 20:31:37< vultraz> er no...my computer froze
20120720 20:32:14< vultraz> so I didn't get to see it
20120720 20:32:53< Ivanovic> irclog.wesnoth.org
20120720 20:32:55< Ivanovic> ;)
20120720 20:33:14< lipkab> *irclogs
20120720 20:33:52< jamit> anonymissimus: r54804 should fix that bug for now. I think I'll do some more work later to make things like this more robust.
20120720 20:34:41< vultraz> Ivanovic: ah ok. sorry to bug you ;)
20120720 20:36:18< Ivanovic> :)
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20120720 21:10:23< mordante> servus
20120720 21:11:03< lipkab> hi mordante
20120720 21:11:23< mordante> hi lipkab 
20120720 21:12:09< mordante> timotei, regarding the throw error, can you give some more information?
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20120720 21:13:55< mordante> jamit, regarding splitting files, maybe best announce your intent on the mailing list
20120720 21:14:15< mordante> jamit, if somebody has a commit pending it might be nasty to merge
20120720 21:14:43< jamit> Good point.
20120720 21:15:14< mordante> btw I love smaller files
20120720 21:26:42< timotei> mordante: It seems that the preproc exception is handled somewhere before the main()'s try {} catch{} in the GCC binary, while in the msvc one it's handled in the main()'s try{}catch{}
20120720 21:26:52< timotei> mordante: I am now tracing to see where exactly it's handled :)
20120720 21:27:54< mordante> ok
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20120720 21:44:11< timotei> Hmm... I think I got it
20120720 21:44:28< timotei> mordante: So basically the exception is being risen inside the int preprocessor_streambuf::underflow() method. 
20120720 21:44:41< timotei> But that is a STL override as I see from the comments (Called by an STL stream whenever it has reached the end of #out_buffer_.)
20120720 21:44:53< anonymissimus> jamit: I'd say, build it with all of MSVC, codeblocks and Xcode, just to be sure...xD
20120720 21:44:59< timotei> So basically that means the GCC's STL has some try catches around there
20120720 21:45:05< timotei> While MS's doesn't
20120720 21:46:51< jamit> anonymissimus: If I had those....
20120720 21:53:52< mordante> timotei, do you have the file and line number of the throw statement?
20120720 21:54:15< timotei> mordante: src/serialization/preprocessor.cpp:359
20120720 21:54:22< timotei> The void preprocessor_streambuf::error(const std::string& error_type, int l) method.
20120720 21:57:12< mordante> timotei, do you have a backtrace of the callstack?
20120720 21:58:55< timotei> mordante: Hmm... No.
20120720 21:59:11< timotei> I can get one for MSVC, but for gcc IDK how :)
20120720 21:59:14< timotei> (Yet)
20120720 22:00:39< anonymissimus> timotei: is the win gcc build ? you need to compile a debug executable with Cb and launch it with gdb from the command line
20120720 22:02:20< timotei> anonymissimus, mordante: I am trying something now. It seems that for GCC the exceptions are not enabled by default for the STL Library
20120720 22:04:06< timotei> mordante: A backtrace for GCC would be useless. The important thing is, if you look at the last method in the file (preprocess_resource), on GCC the method ends just fine
20120720 22:04:10< timotei> On MSVC not.
20120720 22:11:20< mordante> timotei, the problem is on MSVC isn't it?
20120720 22:11:34< timotei> mordante: Nope. I'd say it's on G++
20120720 22:11:46< mordante> then try GDB
20120720 22:11:47< timotei> mordante: Because if not, then that error throw is *useless*
20120720 22:12:10< mordante> in GDB type catch throw
20120720 22:12:37< mordante> then with bt you get the backtrace at the point of the throw
20120720 22:12:54< mordante> then you can also do catch catch to see where it's caught
20120720 22:21:50< timotei> Hmm, let's see how I compile wesnoth with debug symbols...
20120720 22:23:57< mordante> ok, best pastebin it, I'm about to leave
20120720 22:24:11< timotei> OK.
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20120720 22:26:11< timotei> I'm off. Night
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20120720 22:30:21< mordante> I'm off night
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20120720 23:11:33< CIA-87> jamit * r54805 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Get rid of a parameter that is always *resources::game_map.
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