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20120725 00:03:17< jamit> So I'm curious -- what is the advantage in moving things (like [store_villages]) from C++ to Lua?
20120725 00:04:04< jamit> (I might not be on long today to see answers, but I'll check the log if I have to leave.)
20120725 00:05:03< jamit> Ah, yep. Time to go already....
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20120725 04:22:51< CIA-87> ai0867 * r54845 /trunk/src/gamestatus.cpp: Clear up the "Invalid side number" error message
20120725 04:22:52< AI0867> shadowm: ^
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20120725 18:29:28< CIA-87> espreon * r54846 /trunk/po/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Updated the Ukrainian translation.
20120725 18:33:50< CIA-87> espreon * r54847 /branches/1.10/po/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Updated the Ukrainian translation.
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20120725 19:18:26< mordante> servus
20120725 19:20:13< mordante> I'm actually also wondering why C++ code is removed in favour of Lua
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20120725 19:33:23< Espreon> Well, there's the obvious benefit of not having to recompile after changing Lua code.
20120725 19:34:29< Espreon> Silene once told me he started moving stuff to Lua because game_events.cpp was getting too big.
20120725 19:36:55< Espreon> Sadly, that's all I know.
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20120725 19:40:01< mordante> game_events.cpp could be split in multiple files, that reasoning is rather silly (not shooting the messenger)
20120725 19:40:51< mordante> not recompiling is also weird, the code worked and was stable
20120725 19:41:01< mordante> also Lua also needs to `compile' the code
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20120725 19:51:28< Espreon> Anyway, perhaps someone should have asked silene before a certain someone pissed him off.
20120725 19:54:10< mordante> maybe someone should stop trying to offend others on this chan
20120725 19:55:34< Espreon> Perhaps he should.
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20120725 20:25:23< anonymissimus> mordante: , jamit, whoever asked about "moving code to lua": http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=443712#p443712
20120725 20:26:08< anonymissimus> I actually asked silene the very same question when he started with it; in the case of store_villages code simplification is a good reason for instance
20120725 20:28:03< anonymissimus> also, from the point of view of an addon author who does not know C++ or doesn't "like" it as much as lua such as me, it is nice to be able to inspect a tag's implementation, tells you more about how it works, gives you examples for own (addon) lua code
20120725 20:31:01< mordante> anonymissimus, on the other hand it hampers C++ coders, forcing them to learn Lua
20120725 20:32:29< mordante> and if we talk about large files... scripting/lua.cpp is also huge
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20120725 20:36:18 * anonymissimus has no problem with large files
20120725 20:36:48< anonymissimus> mordante: well, there are enough people able to maintain the lua files I think, really
20120725 20:36:50 * mordante has, but in this case it contradicts what Espreon said
20120725 20:37:39< mordante> anonymissimus, and enough people to fix the bugs in the Lua engine?
20120725 20:37:52< anonymissimus> also, how can it be that someone able to understand C++ doesn't grasp lua instantly ? :P
20120725 20:40:22< anonymissimus> mordante: the lua API is about the most stable part of the engine
20120725 20:41:38< mordante> anonymissimus, because I understand C++ and still know I don't know all details
20120725 20:42:03< mordante> looking at code doesn't tell me whether arguments are passed by value, passed by reference
20120725 20:42:47< mordante> so you need to read up on a language, of course you can guess a lot
20120725 20:42:57< mordante> but that doesn't make you an expert on the language
20120725 20:44:11< anonymissimus> well, lua passes primitive types by value, and tables as pointers
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20120725 20:44:24< anonymissimus> quite similar to java
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20120725 21:40:32< fendrin> hello
20120725 21:40:39< mordante> hi fendrin 
20120725 21:40:44< fendrin> hi mordante
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20120725 21:55:12< mordante> I'm off night
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20120725 23:27:05< JeffM> hello, I was just wondering if/what plan you guys had for gatekeeper on OSX with 10.8 and it saying that unsigned apps can't be opened with out an exception. We are trying to decide what to do with bzflag and I was just curious how others were dealing with it, if at all.
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20120725 23:47:21< shadowm> I guess Alarantalara (our Mac OS X packager) would know...
20120725 23:48:39< JeffM> from what I can tell you have to give apple 100$ a year to sign stuff, and you have to use the current compiler/ide
20120725 23:48:42< JeffM> and that kinda sucks
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