--- Log opened Mon Jul 23 00:00:49 2012
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20120723 00:48:48< soundnfury> Ok, my addon's come through on the gettext site, where do I get the raw .po file so I can start making a translation?  (I want to do a German translation of it as I have some facility with that language)
20120723 00:50:34< shadowm> You find the stats for your add-on on gettext.wesnoth.org, and then click on the language you want.
20120723 00:51:34< soundnfury> http://www.wesnoth.org/gettext/index.php?version=branch&package=wesnoth-Era_of_Music
20120723 00:51:36< soundnfury> No available stats for package wesnoth-Era_of_Music
20120723 00:51:49< soundnfury> does that mean the .po haven't been generated yet?
20120723 00:51:56< shadowm> Probably.
20120723 00:51:59< shadowm> Espreon: ^
20120723 00:53:10< Espreon> They have not been generated.
20120723 00:53:20< Espreon> The add-on in question has some problems.
20120723 00:53:25< soundnfury> such as?
20120723 00:53:26< Espreon> Lemme go see what they are.
20120723 00:53:30< soundnfury> :)
20120723 00:54:17< Espreon> First, Era_of_Music.cfg is not bound to your textdomain.
20120723 00:54:31< soundnfury> oh dear, I missed one
20120723 00:55:01< soundnfury> right, that'll be fitnr
20120723 00:56:24< soundnfury> what else?
20120723 00:56:44< Espreon> soundnfury: ... And you have an empty string marked as translatable in Principal.cfg
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20120723 00:56:54< soundnfury> Oh.
20120723 00:57:24< soundnfury> Which reveals a bigger bug, namely that I forgot to write the description for the Principal
20120723 00:57:30< Espreon> Heh heh.
20120723 00:57:35< Espreon> And that seems to be it.
20120723 00:59:04< soundnfury> ok, I'll push out a new release fixing those
20120723 01:00:18< Espreon> Excellent.
20120723 01:02:26< soundnfury> why doesn't the addon server use diff-compression?  hardly any of the files in my addon have changed but I still have to wait while it uploads 4 megs of attack sounds
20120723 01:02:50< Espreon> Because you have not implemented it yet.®
20120723 01:03:02< soundnfury> there, pushed it as 0.3.1
20120723 01:03:12< Espreon> And I shall work my magicks.
20120723 01:03:13< soundnfury> let me know when the .po is ready :)
20120723 01:03:37 * soundnfury goes looking for the addon server's vcs
20120723 01:03:49< Espreon> If only some people left offerings for Espreon the WesCamp Faerie.
20120723 01:03:56< Espreon> soundnfury: Eh?
20120723 01:04:55< Espreon> What're you talking about?
20120723 01:04:56< shadowm> There is no add-on server VCS.
20120723 01:05:34< shadowm> There's a series of git repositories for WesCamp, and they are synced with the add-ons server contents, but that's a different thing.
20120723 01:07:56< soundnfury> I'm sorry, I meant the addon server (and client) /code/ in the wesnoth vcs
20120723 01:08:02< soundnfury> I have now found the client's code
20120723 01:08:20< soundnfury> I'm just finding out how feasible it would be to implement it yet.®
20120723 01:09:31< shadowm> The problem is that the client would need to know what has changed since the last upload in the first place.
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20120723 01:09:51< soundnfury> it could hash all the files
20120723 01:09:52< shadowm> And for that, it'd either have to store extra information about the add-on in the form of a hidden backup, or download the last uploaded version from the server.
20120723 01:09:59< soundnfury> and only upload the files whose hashes have changed
20120723 01:10:13< soundnfury> (getting the old hashes from the server)
20120723 01:10:36< shadowm> Yeah, although that wouldn't help if those files are very large and only changed partially.
20120723 01:10:48< soundnfury> true, but it's better than nothing
20120723 01:11:10< soundnfury> after all, most of the .ogg files either change completely or not at all
20120723 01:11:27< soundnfury> and they're the things that make up all the megs
20120723 01:11:55< shadowm> I'd welcome client patches (as long as they target trunk, of course), but the server itself is in life support at the moment and unlikely to receive any features.
20120723 01:13:04< shadowm> To make things worse I've been unable to get hold of an infrastructure admin in case I decide to push changes that need testing in a public server.
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20120723 01:16:13< soundnfury> shadowm: I'm afraid the code rather scared me off, I've never used C++ (only C)
20120723 01:16:25< soundnfury> so I don't think I'd be able to produce the patch myself anyway
20120723 01:16:27< Espreon> Scary code is scary.
20120723 01:16:43< soundnfury> I'll file a feature request on Gna
20120723 01:17:16< shadowm> Oh man, I worked hard on making the client code less scary. ;)
20120723 01:18:56< soundnfury> hmm, it seems (from browsing some bug report discussions) that there's already a checksumming thing in place for MP synch issues
20120723 01:19:04< soundnfury> so it could use that to hash the files
20120723 01:19:11< soundnfury> (or does that only checksum WML?)
20120723 01:19:20< shadowm> Only WML.
20120723 01:19:33< shadowm> Files are transferred as WML, though.
20120723 01:20:09< shadowm> Hashing is already used for cache management, but I'm not sure exactly how.
20120723 01:24:20< soundnfury> what's the protocol like?  Extensible?  i.e., could the server advertise a hash list in such a way that old clients could ignore it?
20120723 01:24:34< shadowm> No, not extensible at all.
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20120723 01:24:56< Espreon> soundnfury: OK, stuff's up.
20120723 01:25:09< soundnfury> Espreon: cool, will get to it in a minute
20120723 01:25:31< soundnfury> shadowm: why, what's it using?  I'd have thought the sane thing to do would be HTTP with some custom headers
20120723 01:25:34< shadowm> However, there could presumably be a partial upload action that shares some code with the regular upload action and will only be used by new clients that support partial uploads when they require them.
20120723 01:25:41< shadowm> The server uses WML.
20120723 01:26:07< shadowm> The server was also written back in 2004 or so.
20120723 01:32:35< soundnfury> Ok, filed as #19972
20120723 01:34:12< soundnfury> Espreon: um, still seeing "No available stats for package wesnoth-Era_of_Music"
20120723 01:34:15< soundnfury> where do I get the .po?
20120723 01:34:41< Espreon> https://raw.github.com/wescamp/Era_of_Music-1.10/master/po/de.po
20120723 01:34:52< Espreon> g.w.o takes awhile to update.
20120723 01:35:15< soundnfury> ok
20120723 01:35:20< soundnfury> ooh, github, tasty
20120723 01:35:39< Espreon> Why do you find it tasty?
20120723 01:37:37< soundnfury> I just like git
20120723 01:37:39< soundnfury> and github
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20120723 01:39:48< Espreon> I see.
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20120723 02:03:14< soundnfury> Is it OK to occasionally use a bit of 'Denglish' in DE translations?
20120723 02:03:37< Espreon> Who knows? Ask in #wesnoth-de.
20120723 02:04:06< shadowm> Although odds are most people there are asleep by now, being 2 in the morning or so.
20120723 02:04:27< shadowm> Yeah, 2 in the morning in CEST.
20120723 02:08:41< soundnfury> Well, I've asked
20120723 02:09:09< Espreon> And now we wait.
20120723 02:09:10< soundnfury> hopefully I'll get an answer eventually.  Meanwhile I'll leave it and move on
20120723 02:09:11< soundnfury> :)
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