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20120803 09:12:19< Soliton> SeattleDad: files.wesnoth.org/hidden/git/
20120803 09:13:05< SeattleDad> Thanks!
20120803 09:13:43< SeattleDad> Right now I'm trying to edit a page on the Wiki and am trying to figure out how to upload an image to the Wiki.  I'd like to post a chart showing relative winning percentage for my new ML Recruiter
20120803 09:14:03< SeattleDad> I've got an image at http://imagebin.org/223121
20120803 09:14:22< SeattleDad> but would like to upload the image directly.  Can't see a way to do that
20120803 09:14:35< Soliton> i don't think there is one.
20120803 09:15:29< SeattleDad> Okay, bummer, that's what I thought
20120803 09:17:22< timotei> SeattleDad, However, instead of a link you can insert an image with the link: http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=223121
20120803 09:17:27< timotei> So it will be displayed inline
20120803 09:21:16< SeattleDad> So the image is here http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Machine_Learning_Recruiter#Experiments:__ML_Recruiter_vs._RCA_AI_Recruiter
20120803 09:21:23< SeattleDad> but it's not displaying
20120803 09:21:33< SeattleDad> Any way to make that display inline?
20120803 09:23:01< zookeeper> double brackets ( [[]] ) instead of single brackets ( [] )?
20120803 09:23:04< shadowm> timotei: "Up to 5000 images will be kept in our database for any one time. Additionally we will only retain the image for up to 14 days. Remember the point of Imagebin is to have a place to quickly and temporarily slap up your images."
20120803 09:23:15< zookeeper> that's what http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Help:Images suggests anyway
20120803 09:23:40< timotei> shadowm, Ah yeah, I forgot about it. I use dropbox anyway
20120803 09:23:42< timotei> Or imageshack.us
20120803 09:23:45< timotei> Or tinypic.com
20120803 09:24:08< timotei> SeattleDad ^\
20120803 09:25:55< SeattleDad> I'm trying both double and single brackets around the image with no luck
20120803 09:30:18< SeattleDad> I think I'll use imagebin just for the moment and will switch over later
20120803 09:30:35< SeattleDad> I'm just trying to figure out how to get it to display.  Not critical, but would look cooler
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20120803 09:38:54< timotei> SeattleDad, http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Seamless_Tiles_Using_Inkscape
20120803 09:39:06< timotei> SeattleDad, It  seems just dumping a link there will do the work
20120803 09:39:15< timotei> You could try it
20120803 09:41:22< SeattleDad> Yeah, I tried it.  
20120803 09:41:36< SeattleDad> Just dumping the link there doesn't seem to work.
20120803 09:41:45< SeattleDad> Maybe because the URL doesn't end in .php?
20120803 09:46:34< SeattleDad> By the way, I just submitted the patch.  You can see it on gna.org
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20120803 10:08:26< boucman> bloodycoin: around ?
20120803 10:14:09< bloodycoin> boucman: yep... trying to figure out terrains...
20120803 10:14:33< boucman> ok, good
20120803 10:14:48< boucman> keep me posted on what you find
20120803 10:14:54< bloodycoin> I don't quite see where are tiles used directly... almost everything is done through rules...
20120803 10:16:43< bloodycoin> and terrain_builder::add_images_images_from_config gets called ~44k times for a map with mere 1.2k tiles
20120803 10:17:19< bloodycoin> so, it doesn't seem like a great place instanciate effects..
20120803 10:19:18< bloodycoin> Also, as I see terrain is created from background image, foreground and a set of decorational overlay images, selected by some kind of rule. Where rules are dependant on terrain type...
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20120803 10:20:26< bloodycoin> Then comes comes question.... do we want to define effects per terrain type, specific background/foreground image or for specific decorational images??
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20120803 10:22:49< bloodycoin> I think effect per terrain type would make most sense. Though, I can image some uses of effect per decoration (but implementing that looks really painful).
20120803 10:24:17< bloodycoin> hmm.... now that I think about it... another use case for effect would be to just specify, on which tile to spawn effect ( but this looks more like pure WML control, rather than terrain)
20120803 10:24:31< bloodycoin> boucman: my thoughs so far :)
20120803 10:30:03< boucman> have you looked at rules on the WML side ?
20120803 10:30:47< boucman> rules are a very complex mechanism to make sure terrains looks good (if we are next to lava on the north, water on the north-east and we are a castle then use this image)
20120803 10:31:33< boucman> the decision making part of rules is complicated but it boils down to what image should be drawn on  what layer
20120803 10:32:17< boucman> if you add [effect] as a legal content to rules, then the WML programmer would quickly be familiar to how to add effects and you wouldn't have to worry about adding a logic to specify when to use what effect
20120803 10:32:44< boucman> it might be a bit overkill, but if there is a simple way to do it, no harm in overkilling
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20120803 10:34:48< bloodycoin> boucman: no, I didn't look at wml side for rules, but from c++, not going too deep into it, it looks like rule-based engine implemented in c++ (reminds me of CLIPS)
20120803 10:35:19< boucman> it is (more or less)
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20120803 10:36:52< boucman> be back in 30'
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20120803 12:28:48< bloodycoin> hmm... as I understand, terrain rules are described in data/core/terrain-graphics folder, right? Where middle tile (1) is chosen from available images, depending on surrounding tiles..
20120803 12:33:06< boucman> the "nature" of the tile is chosen by the mapmaker
20120803 12:33:44< boucman> then we go through all rules and do all rules that apply, each of them giving images to draw (either the center image or chunks to do the borders between tiles)
20120803 12:34:18< boucman> the "trick" is that most rules set flags that are read by other rules, which don't apply if the flag is set
20120803 12:34:36< boucman> so we do the rules with the most constraints first, then go down
20120803 12:35:29< boucman> so we would first do rules for "corners" (if we have sand on our n, ne and nw, use image X and put the flags for those three sides saying that they have a transition)
20120803 12:36:02< boucman> and later we do simpler rules (if we have sand on our north border, use this image) simpler transitions don't look as good but they catch missing images
20120803 12:42:24< bloodycoin> hmm.... making effects chosen in parallel to images seems big overkill.. I agree that rules based effect choosing, would work nice, but I think it would be a lot easier to determine effects after all images are chosen, as effects shouldn't influence image selection..
20120803 12:43:57< bloodycoin> but I don't see any hint of reflection in tiles (is it just me) on what type of tile it is
20120803 12:44:22< boucman> what do you mean by reflection ?
20120803 12:45:18< bloodycoin> that I can ask tile: "what type of terrain do you represent, so I can choose appropriate effect for you?"
20120803 12:47:43< bloodycoin> hmm.... instead of global terrain-effect binding, I think it would be nice, to bind effects to terrain, say, per scenario
20120803 12:48:33< bloodycoin> where WML user could specify a block, which terrain code associate with which effect for that scenario/level/round
20120803 12:53:24< bloodycoin> if you get what I mean.. :)
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20120803 18:32:12< Nephro> mattsc, hi :) I've almost completed the exposure of the context and the component tree. I'd finish it today, but I think I got sick, since I"m literally sleeping all day long
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20120803 18:33:37< mattsc> Hi, Nephro: sounds good.  Hope you'll feel better soon.
20120803 18:34:38< mattsc> I'm traveling at the moment and don't really have time anyway, only logged in to check out what's going on (I'll have to leave shortly).  I'll be back in contact for real on Monday.
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20120803 18:35:03< Nephro> Took so long, because I went for the hard way and tripped up. Purged everything and made it simple. I plan to refactor it after I'm done with GSoC, the syntax will remain the same, only the back-end will change
20120803 18:41:24< mattsc> Great!  I'm off now.  Talk to you later.
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20120803 21:51:10< anonymissimus> mattsc: while you are saying "I don't have time, travelling etc" I feel like you are still always on here :P
20120803 21:53:21< Espreon> ... yeah, like I'm always here.
20120803 21:56:32< anonymissimus> Espreon: but you have such a bot IIRC, while mattsc is really here...at least he comes once each day or so
20120803 21:56:49< Espreon> I do not have a bot.
20120803 21:57:17< anonymissimus> well, there's thing IRC thingy that allows one to be always in a channel
20120803 21:57:44< anonymissimus> I think shadowm has one, he's always here, just not always actually online
20120803 21:57:53< Espreon> Yes, I have one of those too.
20120803 21:58:02< anonymissimus> thats what I mean
20120803 21:58:19< Espreon> ... they're just "everlasting" irssi sessions.
20120803 22:26:30< loonycyborg> An irssi session through screen?
20120803 22:27:59< loonycyborg> Meaning GNU screen :P
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20120803 22:30:00< Espreon> Of course.
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20120803 23:15:19< mattsc> Hi anonymissimus.  Just to prove you right, here I am again (from another airport)...  :P
20120803 23:17:46< mattsc> I do try to check in once a day or so, but that's _all_ I am doing.  I've done no coding at all in the last ... something between a week or two (I think), except for that little 'dragon' scenario.
20120803 23:20:00< anonymissimus> mattsc: ah, really ? come on, I'm sure you can find some more coding you did for me :)
20120803 23:21:20< anonymissimus> I think I'm biased since I never go here via mobile devices so I tend to think whenever someone is on he's also coding
20120803 23:22:51< mattsc> Nah, not always.  Sometimes I am actually doing work (which sometimes also includes coding, but not for Wesnoth).  :)
20120803 23:23:41< zookeeper> so are there any plans for when the first 1.11 release might happen?
20120803 23:25:12< anonymissimus> zookeeper: btw, can you recall that hide_unit has always worked in such a way that its effect only lasts for one game turn ? I'm talking about http://gna.org/bugs/?19978
20120803 23:26:05< anonymissimus> in any case, it would be a sensible FR to make it last until unhide_unit it used in case this isn't a bug
20120803 23:27:04< zookeeper> anonymissimus, no, i don't really recall. in ancient times the hiding didn't survive save/load, but i have little idea what limitations it has now. and yeah, it should be made to work as you say.
20120803 23:29:55< anonymissimus> I was wondering since the wiki says "Temporarily"
20120803 23:35:17< anonymissimus> fendrin: btw you said you aren't satisfied with the map stuff...why ?
20120803 23:37:13< anonymissimus> at present, enough stuff has probably been fixed so that it's stable enough (except for the wmllint support which is desperately missing)
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