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20120806 00:46:06< CIA-87> jamit * r54925 /trunk/src/actions.cpp: 
20120806 00:46:06< CIA-87> Change move_unit() so that it no longer displaces units when moving through
20120806 00:46:06< CIA-87> occupied hexes.
20120806 00:46:06< CIA-87> Proper event support to follow.
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20120806 00:52:06< CIA-87> jamit * r54926 /trunk/src/game_events.cpp: Split the filtering part of process_event() into its own function.
20120806 00:58:48< CIA-87> jamit * r54927 /trunk/src/game_events.cpp: 
20120806 00:58:48< CIA-87> Rearrange the logic in filer_event() for easier reading and possibly better efficiency.
20120806 00:58:48< CIA-87> (No change to the overall functioning, just the order in which things are checked.)
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20120806 01:23:05< CIA-87> jamit * r54928 /trunk/src/ (game_events.cpp game_events.hpp): 
20120806 01:23:05< CIA-87> Refactoring filter_event() and entity_location in preparation for extending functionality.
20120806 01:23:05< CIA-87> (No functional changes yet.)
20120806 01:37:51< CIA-87> jamit * r54929 /trunk/src/ (game_events.cpp game_events.hpp): 
20120806 01:37:51< CIA-87> Extend entity_location to support filtering units as if they were somewhere else.
20120806 01:37:51< CIA-87> (To be used for sighted and enter_/exit_ hex events.)
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20120806 01:55:58< CIA-87> jamit * r54930 /trunk/src/actions.cpp: Tying the new event filtering into sighted and enter/exit hex events.
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20120806 04:04:43< CIA-87> jamit * r54931 /trunk/src/pathfind/pathfind.cpp: 
20120806 04:04:43< CIA-87> Quick fix for a problem viewing a unit's future moves (by hitting 2, 3, etc.)
20120806 04:04:43< CIA-87> when that unit had already moved. (Future moves assumed current movement was
20120806 04:04:43< CIA-87> maximum movement.)
20120806 04:04:43< CIA-87> This is not a real fix, but it handles all current cases, so it is an improvement.
20120806 04:06:15< jamit> ^ Real fix to come later.
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20120806 10:05:53< bloodycoin> boucman: yep
20120806 10:06:20< bloodycoin> I am here.
20120806 10:19:06< vultraz> am I the only one who says/reads boucman's name as 'bounceman'? :p
20120806 10:19:56< shadowm> Yes.
20120806 10:20:18< vultraz> ..
20120806 10:20:20< vultraz> :(
20120806 10:21:06< boucman> :P
20120806 10:21:09< boucman> hey bloodycoin
20120806 10:21:12< boucman> so how is it going ?
20120806 10:24:19< bloodycoin> I am a bit struggling with tiles.... >.< and I am still not sure if I should make effect rules included in terrain definition, or it would be easier to make a separate effect-terrain mapping (also, would it be more convenient for wml writers)
20120806 10:28:30< boucman> hmm
20120806 10:29:26< boucman> I personally like the idea of including them with the current rule system, I worked with it quite a bit and it is well known and very versatile, so I would avoid reinventing things here...
20120806 10:30:25< bloodycoin> ohh... okay...
20120806 10:31:58< boucman> you could easily include effects in existing rules, or do a completely separate set of rules that would work in parallel with the current ones, both would work. WML writers wouldn't have to learn new stuff,
20120806 10:32:49< boucman> and this is for particles that are really part of the terrain, like campfires. for special effects on a particular tile, it's better to do it with a WML effect (and we'll get to these later)
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20120806 16:26:46< gabba> Hi all
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20120806 18:38:54< mattsc> fendrin: I had a look at LoW S3 and see what you're talking about.  Do you have something in mind that you'd like the orcs to do instead?
20120806 18:39:08< mattsc> Something more specific than 'they should defend better', I mean.
20120806 18:40:43< mattsc> An AI like the one in 'Prune Cart' in AI Demos _might_ work (that would have to be tested), but that one's far from finished and still needs quite a bit of work.
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20120806 19:22:55< CIA-87> nephro * r54932 /trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): AI: exposure of the component tree to the AI developers in debug mode
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20120806 19:24:01< Nephro> hi, mattsc.. This is a first draft on the thing. You can dbms the table it produces to see it's structure. I will document the behavior somewhere on the wiki, would be cool if you can point me to the appropriate page
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20120806 19:39:30< mattsc> Hi, Nephro.  Nice!  I don't have time to look at it now, but will do so asap.
20120806 19:40:01< mattsc> As for where to put it, currently these things are still here:  http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Customizing_AI_in_Wesnoth_1.8#Lua_AI_syntax
20120806 19:40:27< mattsc> But I think that should be taken out of that page and combined with this one: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/LuaAI
20120806 19:41:10< mattsc> which should then probably be reorganized (which I could do later, if you want me to)
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20120806 20:11:21< mattsc> Nephro: just to be clear, I am offering to do the re-organizing sometime after GSOC is done.  You should put the original information out there yourself.  If you want to do the reorganizing also, I won't complain, but if there's coding left to do, I'd give that higher priority.  :)
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20120806 20:28:22< mordante> servus
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20120806 21:20:49< CIA-87> ivanovic * r54933 /trunk/po/wesnoth-dm/ja.po: updated Japanese translation
20120806 21:20:58< CIA-87> ivanovic * r54934 /branches/1.10/po/wesnoth-dm/ja.po: updated Japanese translation
20120806 21:22:10< lipkab> Speaking of translations, I found a catastrophic bug in the French one. In wesnoth, "OK" is translated as "OK", while in wesnoth-lib, it's "Ok".
20120806 21:22:27< lipkab> Espreon, Ivanovic: ^
20120806 21:22:46< Ivanovic> lipkab: contact the french translation maintainer
20120806 21:23:05 * lipkab rolls eyes
20120806 21:23:20< Ivanovic> hey, i got *nothing* to do with the french translation itself
20120806 21:23:26< Ivanovic> don't speak the language either...
20120806 21:23:46< lipkab> It's a clear incosistency, and you have access to the files...
20120806 21:24:42< lipkab> ...and you're the Lord of Translations, after all.
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20120806 21:29:36 * Espreon chuckles
20120806 21:29:59< shadowm> Alarantalara: What's the difference between a .dmg and your previous method (zipped application)?
20120806 21:30:13< Ivanovic> is he not aware that lords tend to delegate all "real work"?
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20120806 21:33:00< Alarantalara> shadowm: A .dmg is a mountable object that's self contained. Practically they're much the same except that it's easier for the user to control where they want the file.
20120806 21:34:09< Espreon> Ivanovic: I do borderline "real work" sometimes, but meh.
20120806 21:34:17< Espreon> (Better keep quiet about it, though)
20120806 21:36:27< Ivanovic> Espreon: but you only do the borderline real work since i tend to delegate the stuff to you
20120806 21:36:29< Ivanovic> ;)
20120806 21:36:41< Espreon> Right.
20120806 21:37:24< Ivanovic> btw, haven't you planned to rewrite the translators getting started stuff?
20120806 21:37:38< Ivanovic> just had a PM with someone asking "how to get started" and saw that the pages seem to still be the same old
20120806 21:37:55< Ivanovic> that is: the gettext for translators page needs a severe update with a removal of persons to contact and adding you
20120806 21:38:04< Ivanovic> not to mention fixing the general look&feel of the page...
20120806 21:38:06< Ivanovic> ;)
20120806 21:38:22< Ivanovic> (the page is only required because there is some technical information which makes sense to have)
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20120806 21:39:27< Espreon> Yeah, but I'm lazy.
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20120806 21:39:34< Espreon> I'll get to it... eventually.
20120806 21:40:34< mordante> I'm off bye
20120806 21:40:42< Espreon> Goodbye.
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20120806 21:44:23< Espreon> Hmmm, I wish I could compile 1.6...
20120806 21:44:45< Rhonda> Why can't you?
20120806 21:45:10< Espreon> Because this: http://pastebin.com/9KMksU2j
20120806 21:45:50< shadowm> Alarantalara: Okay, thanks.
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20120806 21:47:04< Rhonda> Espreon: It should compile on Debian stable?
20120806 21:47:30< Rhonda> Hmm, or not, we only have 1.8 in squeeze.  *ponders*
20120806 21:47:38< Espreon> I have Debian testing.
20120806 21:48:05< AI0867> looks like a missing include (that was probably previously included from another header)
20120806 21:48:43< AI0867> Espreon: add #include <unistd.h> to that file and see if it helps
20120806 21:49:00< Espreon> All right.
20120806 21:50:23< Espreon> That helped that, but now we have this: http://pastebin.com/MRAYjzAv
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20120806 21:55:27< Crendgrim> blarghl.
20120806 21:55:40< Crendgrim> spammers again on the wiki. :(
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20120806 21:56:47< Espreon> Blargh...
20120806 21:57:28< Crendgrim> there is no easy way to rollback all of a users' contributions, is there?
20120806 22:03:15< AI0867> Espreon: that code in 1.6's unit_map.hpp doesn't look particularly legal to me
20120806 22:04:18< AI0867> not entirely sure though
20120806 22:05:24< Espreon> Oh well...
20120806 22:06:44< AI0867> maybe with an older version of gcc?
20120806 22:06:49< AI0867> as in, not 4.7?
20120806 22:07:25< Espreon> I managed to make the second error go away by including stddef.h in simple_wml.hpp, BTW.
20120806 22:07:38< Espreon> I guess I'll try an older gcc version.
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20120806 22:15:35< Espreon> OK, 4.6 doesn't work and 4.4 doesn't want to do anything.
20120806 22:17:08< AI0867> I'll give it a try here
20120806 22:17:29< Espreon> All right.
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20120806 22:31:36< shadowm> Alarantalara: out of curiosity, why is the Mac OS X binary disk image so larger than the static Windows build zip archive?
20120806 22:31:44< shadowm> *so much
20120806 22:31:48 * AI0867 is on the 1.6 server
20120806 22:32:29< Alarantalara> Because I have giant copies of the Qt libraries and I don't know which ones I don't need.
20120806 22:33:09< shadowm> There isn't an ldd or depends.exe equivalent for Mac OS X?
20120806 22:33:39< shadowm> The deployment guide for Mac OS X mentions otool.
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20120806 22:36:15< Alarantalara> Likely
20120806 22:36:38< shadowm> e.g. at this time Linux dynamic builds require just libQtGui.so.4 and libQtCore.so.4; my internal Windows builds used similarly named DLLs.
20120806 22:37:14< Alarantalara> I can certainly remove them.
20120806 22:37:19< AI0867> Espreon: it works fine on gcc 4.4.5 for me
20120806 22:37:24< shadowm> Yeah, but that's not necessary right now.
20120806 22:37:32< AI0867> scons doesn't like the outdated config files much, but it works
20120806 22:37:38< shadowm> It might be worth to keep in mind for 0.2.1 though.
20120806 22:37:50< shadowm> *worth it
20120806 22:38:25< shadowm> I _hope_ most Mac users who are not vultraz don't have a problem downloading 17 MiB.
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20120806 22:41:46< Espreon> AI0867: All right, I'll try using it.
20120806 22:45:00< AI0867> I could upload my binary, but I don't know if it'll work for you
20120806 22:45:45< Espreon> You don't need to.
20120806 22:45:51< Espreon> Thanks, though.
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20120806 22:48:27< Espreon> AI0867: How are you telling it to use gcc 4.5?
20120806 22:49:00< AI0867> I type scons
20120806 22:49:02< AI0867> 4.4.5
20120806 22:49:10< AI0867> is the gcc version I have installed here
20120806 22:49:12< shadowm> wtf
20120806 22:49:40< shadowm> Who wrote the Features section for https://sourceforge.net/projects/wesnoth/ ? It's a massive mess.
20120806 22:49:57< Espreon> AI0867: Ah.
20120806 22:50:48< shadowm> "turnbased", "extentable", "usermade", "multiplatform", no Sentence case.
20120806 22:57:19< shadowm> Ivanovic would you accept some changes to the short and long descriptions and the features list for that page?
20120806 22:57:46< Ivanovic> sure, sure
20120806 22:57:54< Ivanovic> just not today since i am about to head off to bed
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20120806 23:07:15< shadowm> Espreon: What do you think of this? http://pastebin.com/sHThWjFa
20120806 23:07:50< Alarantalara> shadowm: QtGui is 9.6 MB
20120806 23:07:55< Alarantalara> compressed
20120806 23:08:37< shadowm> Hm, it's 11 MiB uncompressed here on Debian.
20120806 23:09:21< shadowm> 2.71 MiB on Windows (Mingw32 dynamic).
20120806 23:10:10< shadowm> Oh nvm, was looking at qtcore4.dll. qtgui4.dll is 9.66 MiB.
20120806 23:11:59< Alarantalara> uncompressed it's 25
20120806 23:12:09< Espreon> shadowm: Hmmm...
20120806 23:13:22< shadowm> That doesn't tell me much, Espreon.
20120806 23:13:40< Espreon> I'm thinking...
20120806 23:14:11< Espreon> First, replace all occurrences of "hot-seat" with "hotseat".
20120806 23:14:43< shadowm> Only one.
20120806 23:17:57< shadowm> Espreon: By the way, it doesn't hav to be perfect, otherwise I'd have comissioned it to marketroids or something. The idea is to _improve_ the piece of crap that's in the page right now.
20120806 23:18:49< shadowm> So just point out any evident mistakes and possible improvements instead of spending a few days pondering how to make it worthy of a marketing contest prize.
20120806 23:20:27< loonycyborg> 'tactical strategy'? That sounds like oxymoron :P
20120806 23:20:47< shadowm> Don't blame me for that crap. It's in www.wesnoth.org too.
20120806 23:21:09< loonycyborg> 'turn-based strategy game' is precise enough.
20120806 23:21:34< shadowm> That was how it used to be before someone changed it to "turn-based tactical strategy".
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20120806 23:24:09< loonycyborg> Maybe they actually meant 'turn-based strategy with RPG elements'? :P
20120806 23:24:36< Espreon> Maybe something like "The Battle for Wesnoth is a free, turn-based strategy game with a high fantasy theme that features both single-player and multiplayer combat."
20120806 23:24:39< shadowm> Whatever, I'm not about to change that bit.
20120806 23:24:39< Espreon> IDK LOL
20120806 23:24:44< Espreon> (Yes, I can't even take myself seriously)
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20120806 23:25:50< shadowm> This was probably a mistake. I'll just provide Ivanovic with an updated paste later.
20120806 23:26:17< Espreon> Very well.
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