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20120810 08:43:41< timotei> Trollololo: http://www.addedbytes.com/blog/if-php-were-british/
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20120810 13:14:06< Ayne> Hello Crab_
20120810 13:14:12< Crab_> hello
20120810 13:14:26< Ayne> Crab_: in your email, what do you mean by "check why do you want this save first"?
20120810 13:14:50< Crab_> I mean that if we have a in-game save, it's a perfectly valid replay, as well
20120810 13:15:02< Crab_> and, after your changes, it's a perfectly valid start-of-scenario save, as well
20120810 13:15:25< Crab_> so, what's important is what the user wants to do with the save
20120810 13:15:45< Crab_> we can guess default behavior for him, but he can override, i.e. by clicking the 'show replay' option
20120810 13:16:11< Crab_> maybe, later we'll add a 'restart in different difficulty level' or 'restart from scenario start' options
20120810 13:17:41< Ayne> so for now i can just check if i want to show a replay or load it as a normal game?
20120810 13:18:24< Ayne> But for start of scenario saves and replay saves I have to determine their type by checking what they've got, right?
20120810 13:18:54< Crab_> the load game dialog has some options to set
20120810 13:19:41< Crab_> so, when dialog returns control, there is the file (or config, don't remember exactly), and options (like 'show replay'
20120810 13:19:48< Crab_> , 'cancel orders', etc)
20120810 13:20:14< Crab_> so, eventually you get a config and a list of user's wishes (those options)
20120810 13:20:53< Crab_> then, you should cross check what's the *best* way to load this game with those options
20120810 13:21:03< Crab_> and fail if no suitable way is found
20120810 13:23:31< Crab_> but yes, if user hasn't told us to load a replay, yet the file is only a replay, then we can show the replay to him anyway :)
20120810 13:23:55< Crab_> or we can add code to ask him if he wants to play it, or add some options to load dialog
20120810 13:24:16< Crab_> to make it simpler, cover the current use cases - i.e. currently available elements and checkboxes
20120810 13:25:12< Ayne> ok
20120810 13:26:29< Crab_> going afk now, will be back in an hour
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20120810 15:04:23< Crab_> (back)
20120810 15:04:33< Crab_> Ayne: so, any other questions?
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20120810 16:02:01< Ayne> Crab_: not right now
20120810 16:02:20< Crab_> ok :) good luck, then :) and good weekends ;)
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20120810 16:05:17< Ayne> thanks
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20120810 17:11:29< SeattleDad> Hi Crab_
20120810 17:11:34< Crab_> hi
20120810 17:12:04< SeattleDad> Just a heads up that I submitted a bug regarding playing Lua against Lua at https://gna.org/bugs/?20046
20120810 17:12:23< SeattleDad> I think I've made it simple enough that the problem should be clear
20120810 17:12:30< Crab_> SeattleDad: thanks, I'll take a look at it
20120810 17:12:40< SeattleDad> If you could pass this along to the GSOC working on Lua, that would be great
20120810 17:13:01< SeattleDad> This is a major issue for me since I'd really like to run my recruiter against itself
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20120810 17:13:17< SeattleDad> I now can only test it against a person or against RCA AI
20120810 17:13:36< Crab_> GSOC student working on lua is Nephro (can also be neph_ on irc)
20120810 17:14:08< Crab_> what if you use ai.side instead of wesnoth.current.side ?
20120810 17:15:55< Crab_> I'll try to take a look at the bug today in the evening, it sounds interesting and easy to fix.
20120810 17:16:38< SeattleDad> Thanks
20120810 17:16:58< Crab_> but it's possible that usage of ai.side would do the trick
20120810 17:17:00< SeattleDad> Note that the issue is not exactly with wesnoth.current.side.
20120810 17:17:07< Crab_> but with what it is?
20120810 17:18:21< Crab_> (I'll run it and see for myself, but if you can describe better, it'll be good)
20120810 17:18:31< SeattleDad> Somehow between the evaluation and execution command the turn ends and it's the other side's turn, so you determine that you want a Bowman but it thinks you're the Knalgan Alliance
20120810 17:19:43< SeattleDad> Here's the output you get http://pastebin.com/sjWbBnGn
20120810 17:20:17< SeattleDad> So it says your Bowman is not a recruitable unit
20120810 17:20:28< Crab_> for side 2..
20120810 17:20:31< Crab_> I see
20120810 17:21:41< SeattleDad> In this case Loyalists are Side 1 and they can't recruit on any turn after the first, i.e. on any turn after the AI for Side 2 has been initialized
20120810 17:22:22< Crab_> yes, I understand. I'll check it; and then either fix it or ask Nephro to fix it
20120810 17:22:31< SeattleDad> Cool, thanks a lot
20120810 17:22:47< SeattleDad> Got to go
20120810 17:22:52< Crab_> bye
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20120810 18:11:21< boucman> hey all
20120810 18:11:26< boucman> bloodycoin: around ?
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20120810 18:30:36< boucman> bbl
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20120810 19:33:44< mattsc> Hi, Crab_.  Still around?
20120810 19:33:51< Crab_> yes
20120810 19:34:05< mattsc> I just read your conversation with SeattleDad.
20120810 19:34:26< mattsc> I've had different Lua AI's play against each other without problems.
20120810 19:34:50< mattsc> I'm doing this in 1.10.3 though and he's using trunk, so that might be a problem.
20120810 19:35:22< mattsc> However, there is a problem when you set up the ai table as a global variable (which is possible in 1.10).  The sides then get confused.
20120810 19:36:12< mattsc> I don't have time to look into what SeattleDad did right now, just as a pointer that that might be the problem (or it might be something completely different)
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20120810 19:36:37< mattsc> I can have a look at it later today, if you want me to.
20120810 19:41:51< Crab_> mattsc: no, no need to
20120810 19:41:59< Crab_> mattsc: I remember that part
20120810 19:42:07< Crab_> mattsc: thanks for the offer
20120810 19:42:18< Crab_> mattsc: in the worst case, I'll just nephro to debug it :)
20120810 19:42:24< Crab_> *ask
20120810 19:42:49< Crab_> he had provided some really small and self-contained examples
20120810 19:43:04< Crab_> and I know that you don't see that problem since switching from global ai vars
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20120810 19:43:14< mattsc> Crab_: cool.  :)  I'll use the time and check out Nephro's latest addition then
20120810 19:43:33< Crab_> debug access to CA execution?
20120810 19:43:52< mattsc> yes
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20120810 19:44:07< Crab_> has he added a way to run 1 iteration of RCA loop? or just individual CAs ?
20120810 19:45:00< mattsc> I'm not 100% sure yet.  I asked him to add a couple examples to the wiki.  I think individual CAs.
20120810 19:45:18< mattsc> And access to the ai table in debug mode.
20120810 19:45:51< Crab_> good
20120810 19:45:52< mattsc> Actually, no, he said that you can run stages also, so that probably means you can run the RCA loop.  But as I said, I don't know for sure.
20120810 19:46:49< mattsc> I'll check it out over the weekend and get nephro some feedback.
20120810 19:49:04< Crab_> well, running a stage == running rca loop for X iterations, not running rca loop for 1 iteration
20120810 19:49:25< Crab_> and, can you run execute/evaluate separately?
20120810 19:50:12< mattsc> True.  Good question.  I don't know.
20120810 19:50:26< mattsc> As I said, a bit more documentation would be nice.  :)
20120810 19:50:59< Crab_> mattsc: it would be good if you collected the pieces of documentation that you find missing and send them to me or put on wiki and send the link to me (and Nephro)
20120810 19:51:07< Crab_> it was a problem last year, since not enough docs were done
20120810 19:51:20< Crab_> we can try to make sure that this would be handled better this year
20120810 19:51:38< Crab_> and, now is the best time to find the missing pieces :))
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20120810 19:52:11< Crab_> since it's still summer and there's no university or other distractions
20120810 19:52:20< mattsc> Ok, I'll try to do that over the weekend also.  The main things I know about right now are 1. how to use the new debug method and 2. documenting all the new functions in the ai.table
20120810 19:53:20< Crab_> thanks
20120810 19:53:29< mattsc> I offered to Nephro that he doesn't need to worry how to organize all that (I can do that later, and flesh it out a little), but the basic information needs to come from him.
20120810 19:54:37< mattsc> So, the parts that should have more information are:
20120810 19:54:54< mattsc> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/LuaAI#Debug_access_to_the_AI_tree  (last section on this page)
20120810 19:55:15< mattsc> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Customizing_AI_in_Wesnoth_1.8#Lua_AI_syntax (complete the ai table functions)
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20120810 19:55:50< mattsc> and maybe this one: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Luaai_new_syntax  (although that's in better shape than the others)
20120810 19:56:26< mattsc> I'll go over the other pages tonight or tomorrow and see if I find something else missing
20120810 19:57:51< Crab_> great!
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