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20120824 00:28:29< shadowm> Ivanovic, Soliton: Wouldn't it be a good idea to start/assign the trunk add-ons server now instead of waiting for the last minute before tagging this Saturday?
20120824 00:30:14< jamit> Crab_, anonymissimus, zookeeper: This is what I have compiled based on the above discussion and the earlier one anonymissimus linked to: http://pastebin.com/tmPLTAA5
20120824 00:31:15< jamit> zookeeper, summary for you: We were discussing converting [unit]placement= into a couple of boolean flags. You were involved in the earlier discussion: http://www.wesnoth.org/irclogs/2012/01/%23wesnoth-dev.2012-01-19.log
20120824 00:32:18< shadowm> Ivanovic, Soliton: That is, the constant in src/addon/validation.cpp still has the 1.10 instance's listening port number in trunk.
20120824 00:32:55< jamit> Crab_, anonymissimus, zookeeper: What I compiled is what looks like is needed to retain all functionality other than being able to give a list of placements. It also points out the places where default values seem like they should be different in different tags.
20120824 00:33:37< shadowm> wesbot: seen ejls
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20120824 00:33:43< jamit> Crab_, anonymissimus, zookeeper: So my question is what is lacking from this / how should it be improved?
20120824 00:39:19< shadowm> 26734 pts/11   Sl+    0:14 /home/wesnoth/bin/campaignd-trunk 2
20120824 00:39:48< shadowm> So I guess there is one such trunk campaignd but it's currently not assigned in the trunk client's source.
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20120824 00:40:03< shadowm> Although I imagine it could as well be an outdated binary.
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20120824 01:20:42< shadowm> mordante: Is there any place (source code if necessary) listing and describing all the formula engine variables available in GUI2 definitions, in particular when defining a window's geometry (x, y, width, height when automatic placement is disabled)? Could you point me to it?
20120824 01:21:39< shadowm> The wiki describes the involved WML attributes but it doesn't mention the names of any formula engine variables.
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20120824 04:54:19< Sapient> hi jamit
20120824 04:54:30< jamit> Hi
20120824 04:56:35< Sapient> about that is_even replacement
20120824 04:56:52< Sapient> are you sure modulo behavior on negatives is portable?
20120824 04:57:23< jamit> As long as you test for ==0 instead of ==1 or == -1
20120824 04:57:37< Sapient> ah, good point
20120824 04:58:13< jamit> That's why I switched the order of the two definitions, defining is_odd() in terms of is_even(). ;)
20120824 04:58:20< Sapient> that's what I get for reviewing commits late at night :)
20120824 05:00:14< Sapient> I kinda miss C++
20120824 05:00:25< Sapient> at work I am using only a single language now
20120824 05:00:58< jamit> Which language?
20120824 05:01:19< Sapient> it's proprietary... kinda hard to think of anything similar eitehr
20120824 05:01:54< jamit> Ah... we'll just call it Sapient's language then. :)
20120824 05:02:06< Sapient> lol
20120824 05:02:44< Sapient> the best way I could describe it was "assembler on crack"
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20120824 05:04:02< Sapient> but I do enjoy a challenge
20120824 05:04:19< Sapient> I just miss working with lots of languages... my last job kinda spoiled me on that 
20120824 05:05:27< jamit> I do enjoy jumping from language to language on occasion, but I tend to mix grammars when I do that. :)
20120824 05:06:12< Sapient> yeah, I never used to never forget a semicolon until python
20120824 05:06:20< Sapient> but it was worth it
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20120824 05:07:50< Sapient> maybe I should get back into the python for the maintenance tools
20120824 05:08:24< Sapient> since I am too lazy to get my C++ development environment set up
20120824 05:08:43< Sapient> anyways, cya later
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20120824 05:08:52< jamit> See you.
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20120824 07:25:16< Ivanovic> shadowm: you are right, this would make sense
20120824 07:25:25< Ivanovic> Soliton: can you start/setup the new server?
20120824 07:37:37< shadowm> Has anyone asked the nice lazy people at #gna to fix their CIA hook configuration yet?
20120824 07:38:10< shadowm> i.e. Set it to use XML-RPC to http://cia.vc/ instead of whatever pointless thing it's attempting to do at this time.
20120824 07:38:41< shadowm> Probably send emails to *@cia.navi.cx, which won't work because the hostname is obsolete, and the CIA admin refuses to support mail notifications anymore.
20120824 07:39:19< shadowm> I don't really want to file something to their support tracker since it looks more like a graveyard.
20120824 07:39:40< Ivanovic> it basically is since the folks there got not many resources
20120824 07:40:08< shadowm> If they are using the script and version I'm thinking of, then the solution for this particular situation involves changing exactly one line.
20120824 07:40:24< Ivanovic> shadowm: i am not sure how the CIA setup in general works
20120824 07:40:38< shadowm> Yes, nobody is because nobody here has- wait a second, esr does.
20120824 07:40:44< Ivanovic> if it is really something done on the end of gna or if we just added the cia bot as subscriber to the bug ml
20120824 07:40:47< shadowm> esr has shell access to Gna.org IIRC.
20120824 07:40:56< shadowm> Ivanovic: No, you don't do anything.
20120824 07:41:18< shadowm> I know how it works and it doesn't really accept any kind of emails.
20120824 07:41:31< shadowm> They have to be specifically crafted and that's why hook scripts exist.
20120824 07:42:06< shadowm> But it's a moot point anyway since the mail notifications system was apparently killed off for real.
20120824 07:42:12< shadowm> XML-RPC is the only way now.
20120824 07:42:20< esr> Ah, CIA is broken?  I know why.  I got it fixed on it on Savannah yesterday.
20120824 07:42:31< shadowm> esr: You have shell access to Gna.org, right?
20120824 07:43:10< shadowm> More specifically, their Subversion infrastructure.
20120824 07:43:21< esr> Sadly, nit to the right piece of it. I don't think - the system is kind of a mess and I've newver learned the details well.
20120824 07:43:36< shadowm> Argh.
20120824 07:43:58< esr> What we need to do is edit the CIA sumission address, I know that.
20120824 07:44:39< shadowm> Yeah, and if Gna.org is designed as I suspect, that can only be done by a system admin with rw access to the hook script file itself.
20120824 07:45:04< esr> Probably the deal is that it's cia.navi.cx and needs to change to cia.vc...and your conjecture is correct.
20120824 07:46:09< shadowm> Incidentally, I told the SF.net people the same thing in their support tracker and I haven't gotten a response yet. I shudder to think how long it'd take the Gna.org people to do the same.
20120824 07:46:34< Sirp> It's interesting just how useful CIA is.
20120824 07:46:38< esr> It just happens that I'm the maintainer of the *git* hook scripts for CIA - I was able to get them to fix the problem by installing my latest version.  But I don't maintain the SVN hook script.
20120824 07:47:01< esr> themSavannah
20120824 07:47:01< shadowm> Sirp: Yes... and it's unfortunate that it doesn't receive the love it deserves, code-wise.
20120824 07:47:13< esr> them=Savannah
20120824 07:47:33< shadowm> The CIA server infrastructure itself is so terribly designed and unmaintained that IIRC it has to run on an obsolete Linux distribution version.
20120824 07:47:50< esr> Really?
20120824 07:47:59< esr> Where did you learn this?
20120824 07:48:07< shadowm> That's what I read in #cia at some point from nenolod.
20120824 07:48:25< esr> Ugh.  Well, that makes it pretty credible.
20120824 07:49:08< shadowm> He's asked several times for people to rewrite it from scratch.
20120824 07:49:22 * Sirp wonders how complex the code for it can be.
20120824 07:49:22< esr> Sounds like somebody need to re-engineer that thing.  I wionder why nenolod hasn't - he has the write access, supposedly.
20120824 07:49:47< Sirp> what's it written in?
20120824 07:49:58< esr> Sirp: I'm pretty sure I could write a working CIA server in two days.
20120824 07:50:02< shadowm> esr: He said before that he's hosting it just because he uses it, but he doesn't have time to reimplement it.
20120824 07:50:19< Sirp> esr: in Python, presumably. :)
20120824 07:50:26< esr> Oh fuck.  Do I have to ride to the rescue again?
20120824 07:50:47< shadowm> That he uses it for the projects hosted at atheme.org is -- to my knowledge -- the only reason CIA didn't die a few years ago in the first place. The previous admin had already pulled the plug in that opportunity.
20120824 07:51:04< esr> Sirp: Yes, Python is perfect for this job. Has good support for building XML-RPC servers.
20120824 07:51:26< esr> Shit.
20120824 07:51:28< shadowm> I know the IRC bot itself is written in Python, but I'm not sure about the rest.
20120824 07:52:20< esr> Shit shit shit.  I probably *am* the right person to fix this.
20120824 07:52:37< esr> *groan*
20120824 07:53:04< shadowm> Someone already volunteered a couple of nights ago, but I have no idea whether that will get anywhere. I think a few years ago people also volunteered and nothing happened afterwards.
20120824 07:53:15< esr> You mean on #cia?
20120824 07:53:19< shadowm> Yeah.
20120824 07:54:14< shadowm> Sirp: DDR put it best the other night; reading one's own commit messages echoed on an IRC channel is a surprisingly good motivator.
20120824 07:54:47< shadowm> It also tends to be more convenient than email subscriptions or some clone update cronjob.
20120824 07:55:29< esr> It's a *great* service.  But you're confirming previous suspicions about the implementation.
20120824 07:55:45< esr> *my* previous suspicions.
20120824 07:57:47< shadowm> Theoretically the current mess wouldn't actually happen if nenolod could be bothered to fix the mail configuration and start it (and if someone could be bothered to update the cia.navi.cx DNS records, assuming anyone can).
20120824 07:58:40< esr> If I were running the project I'd probably scrap the mail service.  Too much complication for too little gain.
20120824 07:58:41< shadowm> Updating the cia.vc DNS records was quite a chore already because nobody thought of dealing with that _before_ moving servers.
20120824 08:00:15< esr> Grr..
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20120824 08:12:34< shadowm> Alarantalara: I have backported your Xu cave wall terrain fixes to 1.10 for 1.10.4. It's unfortunate that the other cave wall terrains remain to be fixed, but it's better than nothing IMO; Xu is probably more common anyway.
20120824 08:13:06< shadowm> I just realized that the alignment issues also affected and continue to affect Xu near chasm.
20120824 08:14:14< shadowm> The commits I backported are r54416 (r55073), r55056 (r55074), r55057 (r55075) and added a changelog entry in r55076 in case anyone has a good reason to revert the backport batch.
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20120824 10:11:04< zookeeper> jamit, looks good to me
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20120824 11:10:07< Necrosporus> So how would I fix WML errors?
20120824 11:10:26< Necrosporus> error engine: failed to auto-store $this_unit at (28,20)
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20120824 14:31:46< loonycyborg> I've made unit tests build again :P
20120824 14:31:56< loonycyborg> And no CIA to announce this :(
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20120824 15:35:55< elias> can i backport the wmlunits script from trunk to 1.10? it's 4 commits behind, i'd just also commit them to 1.10
20120824 15:36:36< elias> or maybe i should just use the trunk script to generate the 1.10 website
20120824 15:46:15< fendrin> hello
20120824 15:50:52 * fendrin is fine with cia not telling about commits.
20120824 15:51:17< fendrin> esr: Remember the wmllint map format conversion I ask for?
20120824 15:56:12< elias> i'm fine with it too, just backported wmlunits, as long as nobody sees it can't be wrong :)
20120824 15:57:55< fendrin> :-)
20120824 15:58:55< fendrin> zookeeper: You maintain the rise of Wesnoth?
20120824 16:00:08< fendrin> zookeeper: Do you mind if I transform the maps back to the old format?
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20120824 16:40:50< fendrin> zookeeper: When I enter the scenario called Ka'lian in tRoW, the council members just kill Haldrik. This happens in debug mode.
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20120824 18:07:32< zookeeper> fendrin, if "transform the maps back to the old format" means "unbreak them" then of course not
20120824 18:08:06< zookeeper> i have no interest regarding what format the maps are in as long as it doesn't cause problems for anyone.
20120824 18:08:28< fendrin> I thought so.
20120824 18:10:06< zookeeper> Ivanovic, btw, i'll work on the EI text updates tonight so it ought to be good to go tomorrow.
20120824 18:16:09< ejls> fendrin: Hey, I'm finding [select_unit] only in scenario_test.cfg which I can't load (The file you have tried to load is corrupt). Could you point me to a scenario which cause the segfault?
20120824 18:16:55< ejls> I don't know WML beside basic syntax and the config class. :)
20120824 18:18:24< Soliton> elias: backporting is the way to go. best if the 1.10 script can also properly generate 1.10 unit trees.
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20120824 18:23:40< fendrin> ejls: please give me a minute.
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20120824 18:31:00< fendrin> ejls: Okay, I have learned that not every [select_unit] causes the assert, it must be the specific use case of mine.
20120824 18:31:20< ejls> fendrin: which assert is fired?
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20120824 18:33:40< ejls_> fendrin: sorry, it seems I have a dying server.
20120824 18:33:44< fendrin> ejls_: wesnoth: src/whiteboard/manager.cpp:1071: bool wb::manager::unit_has_actions(const unit*) const: Assertion `!wait_for_side_init_' failed.
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20120824 18:37:16< fendrin> ejls_: Do you need a testcase, I can provide one.
20120824 18:37:20< fendrin> ?
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20120824 18:38:17< ejls_> fendrin: that would help yes. :)
20120824 18:38:44< fendrin> ejls_: Okay, I am working on it.
20120824 18:41:04< ejls_> thanks
20120824 18:42:42< fendrin> ejls_: Start the game and download the addon "Experimental Role Playing Campaign".
20120824 18:43:07< fendrin> ejls_: The game will crash after you moved the only unit on the map once.
20120824 18:48:37< fendrin> ejls_: can you reproduce the crash?
20120824 18:51:25< ejls_> fendrin: I'm downloading the era of two suns.
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20120824 18:57:06< ejls_> fendrin: confirmed
20120824 18:58:06< fendrin> oh sorry
20120824 18:58:08< fendrin> yes
20120824 18:58:15< fendrin> I should have defined a dependency.
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20120824 19:00:17< mordante> servus
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20120824 19:23:29< fendrin> shadowm: Do you know were the key for dependencies in a Pbl file is defined?
20120824 19:25:55< mordante> fendrin, it's not usual suspects, I just don't understand why you want to wait until the latest possible moment with your revert
20120824 19:26:19< mordante> it gives us less time to test
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20120824 19:34:57< fendrin> mordante: True, wait I will commit it now and do the cleaning later, is that okay?
20120824 19:35:25< fendrin> There is much code commented at the moment.
20120824 19:35:35< mordante> fendrin, yeah no problem, just wonder what cleaning do you mean?
20120824 19:36:29< fendrin> Removing of //TODO and code that is commented out. Maybe some debug output is still in there.
20120824 19:37:20< fendrin> I am currently reading through the diff to see what cleanups are still to be done.
20120824 19:37:45< mordante> ok great
20120824 19:40:31< mordante> shadowm, grep for "{formula}" in the source there all should be documented and also be on the wiki
20120824 19:47:00< vultraz> the new map format is being reverted?
20120824 19:48:30< mordante> yes
20120824 19:49:51-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: stringfreeze for branches/1.10 | 1.10.4 planned for 24th August | 1.11.0 planned for 25th August| 183 bugs, 338 feature requests, 18 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20120824 19:50:09< fendrin> vultraz: yes
20120824 19:50:22< vultraz> how come?
20120824 19:51:42< fendrin> I thought about it and worked a little with the new features.
20120824 19:52:09< fendrin> After some time I came to the conclusion that keeping the old format and all map data in a single file is a good solution.
20120824 19:52:52< fendrin> One of the reasons for example is that the file can be loaded directly without going through the wml preprocessor.
20120824 19:53:08< vultraz> ah
20120824 19:53:12< fendrin> Sadly Wesnoth does that since ever.
20120824 19:53:21< vultraz> so how does this affect the new editor?
20120824 19:53:45< fendrin> Well, for the time being all new features are disabled or simply not working or even crashing.
20120824 19:54:21< fendrin> But it should be still usable to create a map in the conventional way.
20120824 19:54:31< vultraz> :S so all we have is a new interface?
20120824 19:55:07< fendrin> Yes, for 1.11.0. 1.11.1 will have some of the new tools enabled again.
20120824 19:56:37< vultraz> isn't 1.11.0 in 2 days?
20120824 19:58:31< vultraz> Ah yeah
20120824 19:58:38< vultraz> Days not mixed up
20120824 19:59:25 * vultraz is kinda disappointed at the lack of tons of new terrains for 1.11.0 like 1.9.0 had
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20120824 20:00:33< mordante> vultraz, find an artist to create them ;-)
20120824 20:01:01< vultraz> ;)
20120824 20:01:57< vultraz> I've been considering trying to make a stairs terrain, but the terrain_graphics stuff for them would be hell
20120824 20:02:25 * mordante shudders when he things about the terrain_graphics stuff
20120824 20:03:05< vultraz> even worse would be figuring out what images would be needed to be drawn. Probably a multitude, like for the cave walls....
20120824 20:03:33< fendrin> vultraz: I have started to merge the railway with the bridge terrain to have proper railway bridges.
20120824 20:04:14< vultraz> nice :)
20120824 20:04:24< fendrin> vultraz: Well, no.
20120824 20:04:37< fendrin> vultraz: It's slightly beyond my gimp skills.
20120824 20:05:22< vultraz> wouldn't you just take the railing and and the bridge as different layers and then position and merge?
20120824 20:05:36< fendrin> vultraz: Is that possible?
20120824 20:05:52< fendrin> I thought Wesnoth is limited to a two layer terrain system.
20120824 20:06:08< vultraz> in gimp
20120824 20:06:17< fendrin> no
20120824 20:06:26< vultraz> ah
20120824 20:06:38< vultraz> what does it involve then
20120824 20:07:20< fendrin> The first step would be to use the original but unshaded image data and use it as a mask to cut the wooden planks from the railways.
20120824 20:08:10< vultraz> ok...then what
20120824 20:08:11< fendrin> The result is already very useful on its own. 
20120824 20:08:46< fendrin> It can be a new terrain to lay rails on terrain where you already have wood or similar material to connect.
20120824 20:09:09< esr> fendrin: I haven't forgotten about the map conversion.
20120824 20:09:17< fendrin> esr: Please do so.
20120824 20:09:41< vultraz> ah wait, I think I probably misinterpreted what you meant by 'railway' bridge'. But wouldn't that involve a whole lot of new drawing altogether?
20120824 20:10:17< fendrin> esr: The plan has changed, I am going with a solution that needs no change to the map format at all.
20120824 20:10:50< vultraz> if 'railway bridge' meant the railway held over a chasm with struts
20120824 20:10:56< esr> fendrin: Noted.
20120824 20:11:08< fendrin> esr: Thanks.
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20120824 20:12:07< fendrin> vultraz: I just want to create bridge version with railways on it, no new versions of railway bridges, that is far beyond what I can produce.
20120824 20:12:37< vultraz> so, like, one of the current bridges, but with railways?
20120824 20:13:08< fendrin> yes, the wooden classic one that was the only bridge in wesnoth at the times of 1.0 fits the best.
20120824 20:13:28< vultraz> hm...
20120824 20:14:09< fendrin> At the end I would like to have a train version for every bridge for which it makes sense.
20120824 20:14:23< vultraz> I have an idea for a completely rail bridge
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20120824 20:15:00< vultraz> I wonder if lurker posted the xcfs for his bridges on the forums
20120824 20:15:04 * vultraz goes to check
20120824 20:16:39< fendrin> And I also need some sort of train. One that is driven by magic or steam.
20120824 20:17:38< vultraz> Ask Zerovirus to draw one :P
20120824 20:24:33< fendrin> vultraz: Yes, I wonder he hasn't already.
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20120824 20:28:07< vultraz> If I had his rickety bridge w/o the top, as in just the struts, I might be able to do something
20120824 20:30:40< fendrin> Well, my train network is mostly on the surface, not in caves.
20120824 20:32:13< fendrin> Thus I need a bridge type that works for all environments first.
20120824 20:32:50< vultraz> Well the concept I have would only for for over chasms
20120824 20:33:06< vultraz> would be useful, but not for outside
20120824 20:33:28< fendrin> vultraz: Wait, I will give you a screenshot.
20120824 20:35:26< lipkab> mordante: When can I expect something to be get done about you know what?
20120824 20:38:15< fendrin> vultraz: http://imagebin.org/225745
20120824 20:38:35< fendrin> vultraz: Looks better when you put stone path under the railway.
20120824 20:40:58 * ancestral wants to play SimWesnoth
20120824 20:41:36< vultraz> fendrin: that actually looks pretty good
20120824 20:43:41< fendrin> vultraz: Indeed, and it was cheap.
20120824 20:44:03< fendrin> vultraz: Manually removing the wood. Then copy and paste. 
20120824 20:44:31< fendrin> But the other tiles need some editing on the rails. And there are much of them.
20120824 20:44:53< Ivanovic> hi
20120824 20:44:55< Ivanovic> finally weekend...
20120824 20:45:08< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
20120824 20:45:11< fendrin> hi Ivanovic
20120824 20:45:16< Ivanovic> zookeeper: nice, looking forward to this
20120824 20:45:31< Ivanovic> fendrin: i actually plan to tag 1.11.0 tomorrow at 11:00
20120824 20:45:48< Ivanovic> so please make sure to commit your stuff ASAP
20120824 20:46:06< mordante> lipkab, at the moment my compiler tries to catch up with all mainline changes so probably this weekend
20120824 20:47:04< fendrin> Ivanovic: Do you want me to clean up the code first? I still have commented out passages in there.
20120824 20:47:18< Ivanovic> commit the unclean stuff first and then cleanup
20120824 20:47:27< Ivanovic> does not hurt to have two commits instead of one
20120824 20:47:34< fendrin> Okay
20120824 20:49:44< fendrin> Ivanovic: It's in.
20120824 20:51:19< Ivanovic> good
20120824 20:51:46< mordante> nice
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20120824 20:59:25< fendrin> ejls: Any news on the assert?
20120824 21:00:55< fendrin> ancestral: I believe there is an addon with a settlers like gameplay. 
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20120824 21:08:06< ejls> fendrin: it looks like one of gabba's unecessary paranoiac assert to me, I would be tempted to simply remove it.
20120824 21:14:22< ejls> fendrin: Was this scenario working before? Or did you just wrote it?
20120824 21:15:44< ejls> I heard playsingle_controller has been modified, while this part of the whiteboard wasn't changed this summer.
20120824 21:16:07< ejls> But, the whiteboard assert looks unecessary anyway.
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20120824 21:26:35< fendrin> ejls: The scenario is new and sadly the addon isn't working with 1.10 for stupid reasons. But I can test it there with a little amount of work if that helps.
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20120824 21:32:47< ejls> fendrin: If it was working before it's a problem with the scenario transition GSoC. I'll test whether the assert was really unecessary and commit the change tonight (Europe) if it's that simple.
20120824 21:34:36< ejls> Anyway, It's to late for 1.10.4, but we'll maybe have a 1.10.5 for whiteboard bugs, so I'll have to test on 1.10 anyway.
20120824 21:35:33< ejls> fendrin: So, I'll test against 1.10 myself. Thanks for the help.
20120824 21:37:38< Ivanovic> AI0867, bloodycoin, ejls, elias, Espreon, esr, fendrin, grzywacz, lipkab, loonycyborg, mordante, noy, shadowm, Soliton, timotei, Upthorn, zookeeper, everyone else who cares: about to release 1.10
20120824 21:37:58< zookeeper> fine by me
20120824 21:38:00< Ivanovic> ehm, 1.10.4
20120824 21:38:07< fendrin> jo
20120824 21:38:24< Ivanovic> Soliton: you saw the request from shadowm this night about already starting the addon server for trunk/1.11.0 ?
20120824 21:38:54< Soliton> yeah, i hope to get to it tomorrow.
20120824 21:39:09< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: Do you read #wesnoth ? Would it make sense to backport systemd unit file?
20120824 21:39:48< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: lately i barely manage to follow anything, not to speak of reading *several* irc chans
20120824 21:39:54< zookeeper> esr, have you made use of some kind of a consistent way to address a king? my king, your grace, your majesty, etc
20120824 21:41:21< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: no idea if such a backport makes sense
20120824 21:41:35< Ivanovic> though i assume that barely anyone will use wesnothd as boot service
20120824 21:41:45< Ivanovic> so that is probably not really a high priority
20120824 21:42:27< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: which is why i will now tag 1.10.4
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20120824 21:43:10< loonycyborg> mordante: Would you kindly review r55081? :P
20120824 21:43:59< loonycyborg> Some people on #wesnoth contributed a systemd files, including buildsystem changes to install them.
20120824 21:44:07< loonycyborg> s/a//
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20120824 21:45:36< mordante> loonycyborg, I assume only the CMakeLists.txt modification?
20120824 21:45:49< zookeeper> Espreon, are you available to run your apostrophe-fixing stuff before 1.11 is tagged?
20120824 21:45:53< loonycyborg> Yes. I made the scons part.
20120824 21:48:03< esr> zookeeper: I haven't tried to stick to one form, just use historically correct ones.
20120824 21:48:54< mordante> loonycyborg, the wesnothd.service.in is only used for CMake?
20120824 21:49:05< loonycyborg> Yes.
20120824 21:49:18< loonycyborg> It's very hard to make a template that would work for both.
20120824 21:49:38< mordante> ok, well the template needs more tuning
20120824 21:49:48< esr> zookeeper: And "Your Grace" is borderline.  It was used towards reigning kings of Scotland before 1707, but is now used only for non-royal peers in Emglish. 
20120824 21:50:18< mordante> loonycyborg, when was it contributed, like to read the log
20120824 21:50:34< zookeeper> esr, i just need to replace one use of "my lord" with something else, since presumably _that_ doesn't fit when addressing the king
20120824 21:50:36< loonycyborg> Today, on #wesnoth
20120824 21:50:48< esr> zookeeper: Correct forms of address would include "Your Majesty" or "Your Highness": less formallty (and now archaic) "sire".
20120824 21:51:34< esr> zookeeper: Languages other than English have different rules with which I am less familiiar.
20120824 21:52:23< esr> zookeeper: Informally, "sire" will do fine.  ""majesty" or "your majesty" would wor more formally.
20120824 21:53:37< mordante> loonycyborg, I wondered about the non-dev package as well
20120824 21:53:46< zookeeper> esr, mmkay, i'll use one of those
20120824 21:54:00< mordante> and screw Debian is not really a nice way...
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20120824 22:06:31< Ivanovic> Rhonda, loonycyborg: 1.10.4 is tagged
20120824 22:06:43< Ivanovic> currently uploading the tarball to wesnoth.org
20120824 22:07:36< zookeeper> loonycyborg, you wouldn't like to make a new windows trunk build, would you?
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20120824 22:24:48< shadowm> mordante: Where in the wiki?
20120824 22:25:37< shadowm> fendrin: Why do you need to know how pbl files work?
20120824 22:27:36< fendrin> shadowm: want to upload addon
20120824 22:28:01< shadowm> Okay, I'd have checked PblWml in the wiki instead of waiting for someone else's answer though.
20120824 22:28:02< mordante> shadowm, not sure where exactly, but I'm off now, will look tomorrow
20120824 22:28:14< shadowm> I don't remember the attribute name myself, in fact, so you might as well check there.
20120824 22:28:32< mordante> I'm off night
20120824 22:28:53< fendrin> The wiki is not a help in that case, sadly.
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20120824 22:29:00< shadowm> No?
20120824 22:29:14< shadowm> fendrin: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/PblWML#dependencies
20120824 22:29:22< shadowm> Pretty sure I'm not imagining things.
20120824 22:29:43< shadowm> There's even an example later in the page.
20120824 22:31:09< fendrin> directory name
20120824 22:31:17< shadowm> No such a thing.
20120824 22:31:31< shadowm> It goes into the .pbl file, just like everything else in that page.
20120824 22:32:06< shadowm> And since you are a veteran add-ons maintainer I assume you know that file is Addon_Name/_server.pbl or Addon_Name.pbl
20120824 22:32:35< shadowm> (Which is explained at the start of the same page.)
20120824 22:35:53< fendrin> The addon name is the directory name of the addon.
20120824 22:36:14< fendrin> That was the missing information.
20120824 22:36:20< fendrin> Thank you.
20120824 22:36:23< shadowm> Glaringly obvious.
20120824 22:36:58< shadowm> There's absolutely no syntax for installed add-ons besides the directory or file name.
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20120824 22:47:02< loonycyborg> zookeeper: I've started the process.
20120824 22:47:13< zookeeper> loonycyborg, great, thanks
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20120824 23:06:34< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: I'm curious, who's actually doing the Mac packaging for Wesnoth now?
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20120824 23:09:46< loonycyborg> crimson_penguin: The guy with long nick starting with Alara..
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20120824 23:10:05< crimson_penguin> okay
20120824 23:11:52< zookeeper> loonycyborg, finished or still uploading?
20120824 23:12:25< loonycyborg> You mean trunk build? It just finished.
20120824 23:12:30< zookeeper> yay
20120824 23:12:34 * zookeeper gets it
20120824 23:12:36< loonycyborg> I'm still uploading the release.
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20120824 23:22:30< fendrin> can someone confirm that [scroll_to] and [scroll_to_unit] are not working?
20120824 23:27:18< lipkab> fendrin: [scroll_to] is fine here. (In a few hours old trunk).
20120824 23:27:58< fendrin> lipkab: Does that only work when the unit is offscreen?
20120824 23:29:07< fendrin> I thought the code would center it always around a unit.
20120824 23:29:52< anonymissimus> fendrin: remaining maps to convert: http://pastebin.com/JgEqg9id
20120824 23:30:31< lipkab> fendrin: In my experience, "scroll to" generally means that "scroll till it appears on the screen".
20120824 23:30:40< lipkab> I'm not sure though.
20120824 23:31:32< fendrin> Seems there is no way to center around a unit.
20120824 23:33:21< anonymissimus> jamit: "N* near_leader = yes/no, (default: YES). If yes, then x,y are ignored." there's a mistake in [recall]; if x,y= are given then the near_leader=yes default is currently ignored
20120824 23:34:00< lipkab> fendrin: The code I use [scroll_to] in needs it in the first place because the auto-scroll to speaking unit function leaves my unit in the bottom left corner, covered out with his own message.
20120824 23:34:22< lipkab> ...and that looks miserable.
20120824 23:34:50< lipkab> s/out/by
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20120824 23:35:10< lipkab> *s/with/by
20120824 23:35:32< anonymissimus> jamit: I still have zookeeper's comment from january in my ears, "overengineering"; do we really need to add those keys e.g. to move_unit ? it creates additional code complexity; I decided against a find_vacant= key since it has no use
20120824 23:38:51< anonymissimus> Sapient: I'm eagerly awaiting your commits no matter in what language they might be :)
20120824 23:48:23< jamit> anonymissimus: Yeah, I was thinking about [recall]. Current functionality should be maintained, but perhaps the exact tweak should depend on what is easiest to implement (in C++)? Maybe drop near_leader= from [recall], if that's easiest.
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20120824 23:49:09< jamit> anonymissimus: Similarly for [move_unit]. If it's simpler on the C++ side to implement all the keys, implement them. If it adds work, drop the ones that really are not needed.
20120824 23:50:04< jamit> I have not looked into how this would be implemented yet.
20120824 23:51:56< jamit> If I do this, my priority would be the [unit] tag anyway, since there are mainline campaigns that want that to be able to overwrite units.
20120824 23:53:43-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: tagged 1.10.4, announcing soon | 1.11.0 planned for 25th August| 183 bugs, 338 feature requests, 18 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20120824 23:53:45< Ivanovic> n8
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