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20120826 00:25:33< anonymissimus> looks like I disonnected even though it didn't look like it
20120826 00:25:35< anonymissimus> shadowm: It's fine, I think my diffviewer has a max width for long lines so I missed it
20120826 00:27:31< anonymissimus> shadowm: I suppose it's not of any use to upload one's addons as early as possible now ?
20120826 00:45:23< shadowm> anonymissimus: No.
20120826 00:45:53< shadowm> Although the web interface continues to do the upload order thing, and I might bring it back to the game itself in the future as a non-default option.
20120826 00:46:19< shadowm> Also, an empty add-ons server wouldn't look very good.
20120826 00:47:00< shadowm> Unfortunately, there's a problem with the server preventing outside access to the 1.11.x add-ons server, so we can't upload anything yet.
20120826 00:47:06< shadowm> I mean you.
20120826 00:47:48< shadowm> Why would I want to be the first to upload things after going to great lengths to eliminate any possible benefits. Preposterous.
20120826 00:54:50< anonymissimus> csarmi: around ?
20120826 00:55:04< anonymissimus> csarmi: as for changelog, I wouldn't care
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20120826 00:56:35< anonymissimus> csarmi: better place is perhaps not so good idea, since era khlifate is a special type of addon; we nee to assume that other addons depend on it
20120826 01:01:26< AI0867> fendrin: I don't think I've touched wmlvalidator in the past 12 months. Have you been using it?
20120826 01:01:35< AI0867> because there should be a new system now
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20120826 01:53:40< shadowm> anonymissimus: As for my problem with the Lua release notes, they are redacted in a particularly confusing manner with two similar statements with opposite meanings.
20120826 01:54:34< shadowm> I couldn't understand what they were actually supposed to mean and I don't feel like going to check the upstream notes to try to make sense of that part, so I just left it as it was, without the unnecessary line breaks.
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20120826 01:57:48< anonymissimus> shadowm: well, there are changes; a part of them still works as in the previous lua version due to the compatibility more, but some more changes don't despite the compat mode, so for them it's a har change
20120826 01:58:13< anonymissimus> mode...hard
20120826 01:59:15< shadowm> So those are two different sets of changes?
20120826 01:59:31< anonymissimus> IIRC yes
20120826 01:59:46< anonymissimus> I don't know out of the top of my head which were the "hard" changes
20120826 02:00:05< shadowm> Okay, I don't think I've ever heard of changes that are "not compatible" and somehow "still work".
20120826 02:00:37< shadowm> I guess what it was actually meant there is that there are changes deprecating some code/techniques while retaining compatibility for a while.
20120826 02:00:56< anonymissimus> he should have said "will be disabled" however
20120826 02:02:35< shadowm> At what point will that compatibility mode be disabled?
20120826 02:02:50< anonymissimus> shadowm: crab probably tried some of the changed stuff; it's actually bit weird; for instance, unpack() still works, but the new table.unpack() also IIRC
20120826 02:03:05< anonymissimus>  no idea
20120826 02:03:31< shadowm> Unfortunately, "several minor releases" sounds too vague for the release notes.
20120826 02:04:04< shadowm> Given the direction Wesnoth has taken, if that _really_ meant something like 1.11.4 then one would wonder why the mode was kept enabled in 1.11.0 in the first place.
20120826 02:06:04< anonymissimus> the compatibility mode doesn't make much sense yes
20120826 02:06:29< shadowm> Okay, I think this will do:
20120826 02:06:32< shadowm> "The Lua interpreter code was updated to version 5.2. Some of the changes in this version break old code; other changes will still work with old code due to compatibility mode, which will be disabled after several minor releases. See the full Lua 5.2 [url=http://www.lua.org/manual/5.2/manual.html#8]incompatibilities[/url] list for more details and information about updating old code."
20120826 02:06:41< shadowm> s/interpreter code/interpreter/
20120826 02:11:55< anonymissimus> I think yes
20120826 02:14:06< anonymissimus> my memory fails on which of the changes don't work even with the compatibility mode...
20120826 02:15:00< anonymissimus> "You can avoid some incompatibilities by compiling Lua with appropriate options"
20120826 02:15:43< anonymissimus> that references that compatibility mode define
20120826 02:16:51< shadowm> COmmitted.
20120826 02:22:41< anonymissimus> bye
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20120826 08:55:15< Ivanovic> moin
20120826 08:55:42< shadowm>  Buenos días.
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20120826 09:56:59< Ivanovic> wesbot: seen alantalara
20120826 09:56:59< wesbot> Ivanovic: Sorry, I don't know of alantalara.
20120826 09:57:23< Ivanovic> wesbot: seen alarantalara
20120826 09:57:23< wesbot> Ivanovic: The person with the nick Alarantalara last spoke 3d 12h ago.  2d 17h ago they left with the message: Quit: Leaving.
20120826 09:57:44< Ivanovic> okay, so he is still around, lets see when he finds the time to create the mac package
20120826 09:59:00< shadowm> No need to rush things. ;)
20120826 10:08:44< shadowm> Necrosporus: Here you have your bug report: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?20099
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20120826 10:09:11< shadowm> Just note that we usually don't do this mailman thing. I only did it because I could easily figure out a more generic and conspicuous test case.
20120826 10:09:40< shadowm> I also took this opportunity to file this, which I had been procrastinating: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?20098
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20120826 10:42:53< Necrosporus> shadowm, what's with a keep adjacent to cave walls?
20120826 10:43:12< Necrosporus> I can't remember the map where I noticed it but it was glichy
20120826 10:43:57< shadowm> YOu cnan report that yourself.
20120826 10:44:04< shadowm> *You can
20120826 10:45:57< Ivanovic> Necrosporus: some things are not supposed to be next to each other and will not be fixed
20120826 10:46:12< Ivanovic> if you want a keep with cave wall you got to e.g. use the dwarven keep
20120826 10:46:47< Necrosporus> Ivanovic, that one was outside of cave
20120826 10:47:02< Ivanovic> yes, but a cavewall means "cave"
20120826 10:47:45< Necrosporus> There is cavewall terrain, it's adjacent to regular terrain from one side and to cave terrain from another
20120826 10:48:06< Necrosporus> That keep was next to outside 
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20120826 11:19:48< Ivanovic> Necrosporus: does not matter at all, cavewall is never supposed to be adjacent to some terrains like e.g. forests
20120826 11:20:07< Ivanovic> the terrain itself does not know that there is "outside and inside" of a cave
20120826 11:25:04< Necrosporus> Ivanovic, what ground terrains should it be adjacent to than, mountains?
20120826 11:25:25< Necrosporus> And what if there's a patch of forest in cave?
20120826 11:25:42< Necrosporus> Underground orangery ie
20120826 11:28:11< Ivanovic> as i said, those are not supposed to be grouped together so if there are issues they are unlikely to ever get fixed
20120826 11:28:29< Ivanovic> the problem is that overall too many combinations are possible so the decission was made to not support every possible combination
20120826 11:28:48< Ivanovic> as a result it can happen that some terrains don't work with each other
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20120826 11:40:17< Necrosporus> Ivanovic, what about introducing some generic transition which would be autogenerated?
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20120826 11:40:46< Necrosporus> for example, half-transparency superposition
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20120826 11:42:01< Ivanovic> shadowm, everyone else who cares: draft for 1.10.4 announcement: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=37459
20120826 11:44:13< shadowm> Seems good to me.
20120826 11:45:01< shadowm> The real challenge will be the 1.11.0 announcement. I somehow doubt the release notes file is anything near all-inclusive atm.
20120826 11:45:12< shadowm> And the changelog is a royal pain to read.
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20120826 12:02:27< Necrosporus> You are not authorised to read this forum.
20120826 12:06:32< shadowm> No, you are not. We are. :)
20120826 12:23:56< fendrin> AI0867: No, haven't used it. I just thought it might work and ran it before the release.
20120826 12:30:06< Ivanovic> updated the downloads page in the wiki with 1.11.0 and 1.10.4 data
20120826 12:41:34< Ivanovic> shadowm, everyone else who cares: draft for 1.11.0 announcement: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=37460
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20120826 13:25:08< Necrosporus> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=23777
20120826 13:25:19< Necrosporus> Why wasn't this dragon used?
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20120826 13:29:26< zookeeper> you ask too many why questions.
20120826 13:30:24< Necrosporus> Is it bad?
20120826 13:31:12< zookeeper> if you don't mind getting no answers because people get tired of trying to answer them, then maybe not
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20120826 13:49:51-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: tagged 1.11.0, announcing soon | tagged 1.10.4, announcing soon | 184 bugs, 338 feature requests, 18 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20120826 15:53:19< mordante> servus
20120826 15:58:59< mordante> Ivanovic, no issues with the 1.10.4 release notes
20120826 15:59:21< Ivanovic> what about the 1.11.0 notes?
20120826 15:59:22< Ivanovic> ;)
20120826 15:59:51< mordante> Ivanovic, not issues yet, at the first sentence :-P
20120826 16:00:45< mordante> and stick to the stable branch instead.. did you want one or three dots?
20120826 16:04:07< mordante> I miss the headache part of the changelogs, this time I really expect an headache ;-)
20120826 16:07:59< mordante> no other issues
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20120826 17:17:03< fendrin> mordante: Is it easy to disable the scaling at the title screen?
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20120826 17:18:06< mordante> fendrin, why?
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20120826 17:20:35< fendrin> mordante: I am experimenting with a bigger map.
20120826 17:21:33< zookeeper> a bigger map should just display at 1:1 size and for example scroll at a steady slow pace
20120826 17:22:23< zookeeper> probably a scroll in one fixed direction, or with very slow modulation of direction, with map wraparound would be nicest
20120826 17:23:08< fendrin> zookeeper: Have you seen the big wesnoth map?
20120826 17:23:26< zookeeper> depends on what it is.
20120826 17:23:42< fendrin> zookeeper: http://postimage.org/image/xp4wgedlx/
20120826 17:24:02< zookeeper> yeah, but i don't like it.
20120826 17:24:47< fendrin> Please tell me why you don't like it.
20120826 17:24:48< mordante> fendrin, there should be a scale flag somewhere
20120826 17:25:05< fendrin> mordante: In the wml part of the dialog?
20120826 17:25:11< mordante> yup
20120826 17:25:34< mordante> who made the map?
20120826 17:26:49< fendrin> mordante: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=31838
20120826 17:28:19< mordante> thanks
20120826 17:28:22< zookeeper> it's unfortunate that good cartography software for making _scalable_ maps doesn't seem to exist... for free, anyway :p
20120826 17:28:34< zookeeper> i looked into what's out there some time ago and found nothing
20120826 17:30:16< fendrin> zookeeper: Have you noticed the thread with the editor terrain to make maps?
20120826 17:30:25< zookeeper> yes
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20120826 17:34:04< vultraz> IMHO the big map is nice
20120826 17:39:38< fendrin> It's certainly better than what I get with the current one. The map is blurred and way to stretched in the horizontal dimension.  
20120826 17:40:26< fendrin> Most new users first impression will be that horrible ugly titlescreen.
20120826 17:45:59< vultraz> how come someone just doesn't convert the map to svg format?
20120826 17:46:20< loonycyborg> Because it's a very hard task..
20120826 17:46:24< mordante> vultraz, that would help if the map was created in a vector format
20120826 17:46:50< mordante> if not converting it to a vector format is not much of a help
20120826 17:54:12< zookeeper> what we really need is an app with which we can take arbitrary crops of a single big vector map, while keeping things like shore outlines, ground/water textures and individual trees in a forest at constant pixel-size.
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20120826 18:10:38< zookeeper> of course, there are commercial cartography apps which would probably do a fine job. maybe a license for one of those would be a good use of that app store income..
20120826 18:10:41< zookeeper> .
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20120826 18:28:45< Ivanovic> no mac binary (yet), so no release yet
20120826 18:28:53< Ivanovic> announcement that is
20120826 18:29:07< Necrosporus> I don't think wasting money on proprietary software is a good idea
20120826 18:29:11-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: tagged 1.11.0 and 1.10.4, announcing soon | 184 bugs, 338 feature requests, 18 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20120826 18:29:32< Necrosporus> And there are free cartography apps also
20120826 18:29:42< zookeeper> good use of money is by definition not wasting money.
20120826 18:30:01< zookeeper> everyone knows there are free cartography apps
20120826 18:30:42< Ivanovic> Necrosporus: really good charting software tends to not come for free (sadly)
20120826 18:31:22 * vultraz wonders why most of the really good stuff is not free
20120826 18:31:42< Necrosporus> http://qgis.org/
20120826 18:31:50< Ivanovic> probably because people have to make a living of something
20120826 18:32:53< Necrosporus> Buying proprietary software licenses is definitely waste of money, as it's not a good use of money
20120826 18:33:41< Necrosporus> vultraz, actually most of good software is free software
20120826 18:33:44< zookeeper> circular reasoning
20120826 18:33:48< Necrosporus> in means of freedom
20120826 18:34:29< loonycyborg> People mostly pirate anyway. That's why good software slowly moves to opensource.
20120826 18:34:40< Necrosporus> 1. There are free software, which can probably does same job, and possibly much better
20120826 18:34:51< loonycyborg> Proprietiary software is just a pipe dream. Utterly impractical.
20120826 18:36:24< Necrosporus> 2. If proprietary software is necessary it can be used without buying licenses in several ways, not necessary illegal
20120826 18:36:25< loonycyborg> zookeeper: That said if you feel you need to buy a license, ask noy. iirc he's the person to ask.
20120826 18:37:10< zookeeper> loonycyborg, yeah, i know. i'd need to research the alternatives a bit more thorougly first, though (which i might or might not do at some point).
20120826 18:38:36< Necrosporus> 3. proprietary software is ethically wrong, thus supporting it (buying license included) is ethically wrong too
20120826 18:39:04< loonycyborg> And if people really paid for all software they use, some lucky developers would really end up with too much money and power.
20120826 18:39:19< loonycyborg> So much that goverment would crack down on them.
20120826 18:39:51< Necrosporus> Ones already did
20120826 18:40:01< loonycyborg> Government doesn't like competition. That's why anti-trust laws exist :P
20120826 18:40:46< Necrosporus> Hollywood have had enough power to force Sweden judges to put TPB creators into jail, even though they haven't committed a crime
20120826 18:41:59< Necrosporus> And to go back on channel topic.
20120826 18:42:28< Necrosporus> Do portraits of insects like dragonflies and mosquitos need to be cut?
20120826 18:43:03< zookeeper> ...
20120826 18:43:05< Necrosporus> There's no quite waist on them and I'd prefer complete insect to be displayed
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20120826 18:44:06< Necrosporus> zookeeper, why three dots? I really need an answer
20120826 18:44:29< Necrosporus> Bats portraits are not cut, so I guess, dragonfly's doesn't need to be too, right?
20120826 18:44:49< csarmi> hello
20120826 18:45:08< zookeeper> why are you even asking? why do you think portraits are usually cut? can you think of any reason why a dragonfly portrait would need to be cut? obviously you can't.
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20120826 18:45:29< csarmi> I've got a quick question. How hard is it to get a WML checker (forgot the name,) workin under windows?
20120826 18:45:51< csarmi> Does that check my era for consistency?
20120826 18:46:03< zookeeper> wmllint? well, if you got python installed, then i guess you need nothing but figure out the command to run
20120826 18:46:31< zookeeper> depends on what you mean by consistency. it could also break any number of things. :p
20120826 18:46:41< csarmi> I don't have python yet but that shouldn't be hard. wmllint is smth that comes with python?
20120826 18:47:01< zookeeper> uh, no, wmllint is just a python script
20120826 18:47:07< csarmi> Well I mean check my paths and references and such.
20120826 18:47:38< zookeeper> for checking those you should use wmlscope, but it's a similar script so you still need python
20120826 18:47:44< csarmi> aha
20120826 18:48:01< csarmi> tx :)
20120826 18:48:59< csarmi> In what kind of text editor do you guys write WML?
20120826 18:49:38< csarmi> I have notepad++ and it even recognizes some of the code (not all), but there might be something better?
20120826 18:49:41< Necrosporus> KWrite
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20120826 18:49:54< csarmi> Something that runs under win7 :)
20120826 18:49:55< Necrosporus> It support WML highlighting
20120826 18:49:56< zookeeper> i use notepad++ myself, it's good
20120826 18:50:16< Necrosporus> csarmi, why would you need to use windows?
20120826 18:50:31< Necrosporus> And if you really have to, there's KDE for windows
20120826 18:50:56< csarmi> Necrosporus, cause I got win7 on my comp and I can't be bothered to learn a different operating system and/or install it?
20120826 18:52:05< csarmi> Yes I know that there are very good and flexible unix-based environments, I even know them to some extent but it's just easier for now.
20120826 18:52:12 * zookeeper decrees profantasy's campaign cartographer 3 to not fit the requirements mentioned earlier
20120826 18:52:15< csarmi> And we use windows at work.
20120826 18:53:35< Necrosporus> It's up to you to decide if it's good reasons, but for me it doesn't sound like one, since I would rather use some better OS, if I can, and at work too, if possible
20120826 18:54:22< csarmi> Necrosporus: I have no choice at work.
20120826 18:55:10< csarmi> And since I don't wanna port macros and other things from one system to the other, it's better to have it at home too.
20120826 18:55:32< zookeeper> i'm pretty sure that evangelizing for free software on the developer channel of a free software game is kinda unnecessary
20120826 18:56:28< csarmi> Me too :)
20120826 18:57:02< csarmi> I don't mind anyway.
20120826 18:57:24< csarmi> But while there
20120826 18:57:45< csarmi> Got anything that's free software but good enough AND compatible enouhg with office?
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20120826 19:02:15< Necrosporus> csarmi, LibreOffice and Apache Open Office is probably compatible enough
20120826 19:03:15< csarmi> well I tried libre office and it's so-so
20120826 19:03:53< vultraz> Microsoft Office > Libre Office
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20120826 19:04:52 * lipkab hates LibreOffice
20120826 19:05:04 * lipkab can't tell how much
20120826 19:05:14< loonycyborg> I hate both offices.
20120826 19:05:32< loonycyborg> libreoffice is lesser evil :P
20120826 19:06:07< zookeeper> in theory i could sort of make the kind of arbitrarily-scalable-and-croppable map in 3dsmax, but i fear it'd end up way too hacky
20120826 19:07:50< loonycyborg> What do OpenStreetMap people use?
20120826 19:09:09< zookeeper> how is that relevant?
20120826 19:10:19< loonycyborg> Well. They DO need a way to visualize maps, and so do you.
20120826 19:13:50< zookeeper> i don't know what they use but it's kinda obvious it can't do what i need to do.
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20120826 19:51:48< mordante> I'm off bye
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20120826 19:57:23< vultraz> I downloaded the 1.11 windows exe off sourceforge and it's telling me it's unsigned, does that mean something?
20120826 19:58:51< loonycyborg> Yes. It means it's unsigned :P Windows has some kind of executable signing service we're not using.
20120826 19:59:07< vultraz> so, just ignore it?
20120826 19:59:41< vultraz> just wondering, bc wesnoth downloads have never said this before
20120826 19:59:51< vultraz> on my windows laptop
20120826 20:00:18< loonycyborg> That's weird. They tend to always ask me.
20120826 20:00:29< loonycyborg> Maybe put the screenshot somewhere?
20120826 20:05:40< loonycyborg> iirc firefox has its own check too if you run it directly from its downloads.
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20120826 20:07:45< vultraz_laptop> loonycyborg: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/95558676/wesnoth1.11unsigned.PNG
20120826 20:09:18< loonycyborg> It said something about 'not commonly downloaded'. Maybe it's because there was a long period without new wesnoth releases? :P
20120826 20:10:04< vultraz_laptop> idk lol
20120826 20:10:07< loonycyborg> Anyway, this looks like the same program publisher check I'm getting on winxp.
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20120826 20:12:06< loonycyborg> I get those even for installers I made myself iirc :P
20120826 20:12:23< vultraz_laptop> lol. so just ignore it?
20120826 20:12:51< lipkab> No. Never. How could you know that it isn't malware? :P
20120826 20:13:32< vultraz_laptop> well unless someone uploaded malware to sf.net.....
20120826 20:14:00< loonycyborg> I don't remember uploading any malware..
20120826 20:14:05< Gambit> That's weird.
20120826 20:14:10< loonycyborg> I could be mind controlled though :P
20120826 20:14:15< Gambit> Wesnoth normally doesn't cause those for me.
20120826 20:15:47< Gambit> Well I guess if vultraz's computer dies we'll know that you've turned to the dark side loonycyborg :P
20120826 20:16:06< vultraz_laptop> :P
20120826 20:16:35< Gambit> vultraz_laptop: That just means that Windows can't figure out who made the program though basically.
20120826 20:17:06< loonycyborg> Maybe those publisher checks are so forgettable we don't remember them..
20120826 20:17:29< vultraz_laptop> ok, I'll just run it
20120826 20:20:33< jamit> vultraz_laptop: First, that is an IE message, not Windows. (Even though MS will tell you IE is part of the OS.)
20120826 20:21:23< jamit> vultraz_laptop: Second, that message basically means that Microsoft has no record of lots of people downloading Wesnoth 1.11 yet. (I wonder why? :) )
20120826 20:21:36< vultraz_laptop> :P
20120826 20:21:45< jamit> vultraz_laptop: Third, A FAQ page for SmartScreen: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/SmartScreen-Filter-frequently-asked-questions-IE9
20120826 20:23:15< jamit> Basically, once MS gets reports of people downloading that particular file, the warning goes away. MS just gets suspicious of anything new. (I wonder if SmartScreen would ever flag a MS download though....)
20120826 20:25:11< lipkab> Regarding that they presumably properly sign anything they release, probably not...
20120826 20:29:05< jamit> Oh right - the screenshot mentioned signing. The FAQ from MS does not, though. Too advanced a topic to mention to IE's users? :)
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20120826 22:44:19< shadowm> Ivanovic: Replied and edited the 1.11.0 announcement
20120826 22:44:31< Ivanovic> shadowm: okay
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20120826 22:59:54< SpoOkyMagician> i wanted to point something out if I may. I noticed the orcish slayer's weapon says/shows dagger but his sprite shows hes using a 'kama'. can this be renamed?
20120826 23:01:37< SpoOkyMagician> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kama_%28weapon%29 http://units.wesnoth.org/1.10/mainline/en_US/Orcish%20Slayer.html
20120826 23:04:35 * zookeeper would prefer to avoid special vocabulary like "kama"
20120826 23:05:14< shadowm> And yet, Khalifate...
20120826 23:06:01< SpoOkyMagician> whats wrong with it?
20120826 23:07:24< zookeeper> shadowm, as you can imagine, i'd prefer to avoid the khalifate as well :>
20120826 23:09:57< shadowm> Heh.
20120826 23:09:59< zookeeper> SpoOkyMagician, nothing _wrong_ with it, but it's still essentially a loan word
20120826 23:10:25< zookeeper> however, IMO naming it "scythe" or "sickle" might be a good idea
20120826 23:10:39< SpoOkyMagician> sickle might be better 
20120826 23:10:41< zookeeper> even if technically it is a kama
20120826 23:10:59< SpoOkyMagician> their smaller than scythes
20120826 23:11:10< zookeeper> yep
20120826 23:11:54< SpoOkyMagician> i can accept sickle
20120826 23:12:10< SpoOkyMagician> (goes back to wesnoth)
20120826 23:13:00< vultraz> sickle makes me think of a scarecrow unit lol
20120826 23:13:55 * shadowm wonders what "unit lol" is.
20120826 23:14:14< vultraz_laptop> unit. lol
20120826 23:14:15< SpoOkyMagician> you know, the unit that makes you LOL?
20120826 23:14:25< SpoOkyMagician> :P
20120826 23:14:32< vultraz_laptop> ;)
20120826 23:16:51< SpoOkyMagician> you might want to change the attack too (image)
20120826 23:17:08< SpoOkyMagician> hatchet/pickaxe might be a temp solution
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20120826 23:18:12< SpoOkyMagician> actually scythe might be best. (even though its not exactly accurate.)
20120826 23:19:53< shadowm> esr: While you are talking about documentation, is there any less traditional piece of documentation for reposurgeon than its man page?
20120826 23:20:34< shadowm> I think I primarily want to know what specific tasks I can do with it and see examples.
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