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20120827 00:21:24< esr> shadowm: Sorry, that's what there is.
20120827 00:24:41< shadowm> Hm.
20120827 00:26:26< esr> *blink* I thought I did a pretty thorough job.
20120827 00:26:58< esr> Are you telling me I need to add (more) examples?
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20120827 00:30:46< shadowm> I guess it's just intimidating at first glance, since it provides a few example commands and it only elaborates upon their meaning much later.
20120827 00:34:04< shadowm> To make things worse, commands aren't listed in alphabetical order.
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20120827 01:55:22< Espreon> Ivanovic: Of course I'll take care of it.
20120827 01:56:35< Espreon> anonymissimus: A combination of reverse merging and making new-format maps with changes resemble old-format maps, loading them through the 1.10 editor and saving.
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20120827 03:59:16< shadowm> I think it's highly hypocritical of us to call the editor changes in 1.11.0 "usability improvements".
20120827 04:00:13< shadowm> I'm seeing three buttons that can be clicked and do absolutely nothing.
20120827 04:01:00< shadowm> Two of them have a tooltip explanation, but shouldn't have any other kind of feedback in the first place (or exist at all).
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20120827 04:01:14< shadowm> The other is the Side button on the top bar and that one has no explanation attached at all.
20120827 04:01:33< shadowm> fendrin: By the way, "Add new Side" should be "Add New Side2
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20120827 04:01:34< shadowm> *"
20120827 04:02:39< shadowm> Tool buttons in the palette have inconsistent frame appearances.
20120827 04:02:58< shadowm> Nobody fixed the brush size buttons either, which look like command buttons and don't behave like such.
20120827 04:03:17< shadowm> *badly rescaled command buttons
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20120827 04:06:48< Espreon> Ivanovic: It appears that someone mutilated wesnoth-editor...
20120827 04:07:47< shadowm> Espreon: How so?
20120827 04:08:32< Espreon> Well, a lot of strings that were in it either went to Lalaland or were moved to another domain. And since a certain someone has been playing around with the editor a lot, perhaps he messed up some textdomain bindings.
20120827 04:08:44< Espreon> ... sadly, I'm too exhausted to investigate right now.
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20120827 04:09:11< shadowm> Well, someone should investigate it as soon as possible.
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20120827 04:10:22< Espreon> Indeed.
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20120827 09:08:21< shadowm> !log 55167
20120827 09:08:22< shikadibot> shadowm: Revision 55167 (shadowmaster) on Mon Aug 27 07:06:45 2012:
20120827 09:08:22< shikadibot> shadowm: wesnothd: Add trailing new line to /info "Never" last login datetime string
20120827 09:08:25< shikadibot> shadowm:  
20120827 09:08:28< shikadibot> shadowm: This makes it consistent with the ctime() result for a valid last login
20120827 09:08:31< shikadibot> shadowm: (+1 discarded lines)
20120827 09:08:34< shikadibot> shadowm: Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=55167
20120827 09:11:43< shadowm> Backported to 1.10 as well.
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20120827 09:34:45< ancestral> Is whiteboard == planning mode?
20120827 09:35:00< shadowm> Yes.
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20120827 10:49:12< shadowm> wesbot: seen boucman
20120827 10:49:12< wesbot> shadowm: The person with the nick boucman last spoke 6d 18h ago.  6d 17h ago they left with the message: Quit: Leaving.
20120827 10:49:18< shadowm> gAH.
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20120827 11:02:35< fendrin> Espreon: textdomain issues?
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20120827 11:12:55< fendrin> Ivanovic: Didn't we move some textdomain stuff deliberately, creating a new domain? 
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20120827 15:59:18< Necrosporus> http://storage8.static.itmages.ru/i/12/0827/h_1346075936_5203530_56ded93f88.png
20120827 15:59:30< Necrosporus> Cave wall transition is actually still unfixed
20120827 15:59:39< Necrosporus> It's better, but still 
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20120827 17:05:24< Soliton> Necrosporus: if you want something fixed there is this neat bug tracker (bugs.wesnoth.org) we've setup where you can even write a little more details about the issue you see.
20120827 17:06:39< Necrosporus> Soliton, it's existing bug which is listed as "fixed" in 1.10.4
20120827 17:07:47< Soliton> Necrosporus: then you can comment on that existing bug.
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20120827 17:16:47< SeattleDad> Hi Alarantalara
20120827 17:17:15< Alarantalara> Hello
20120827 17:17:39< SeattleDad> I wonder if you saw that I posted a version 0.2 of the patch
20120827 17:18:01< SeattleDad> It's described in the forum
20120827 17:19:05< SeattleDad> Posting is at http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=36642&p=536186#p536186
20120827 17:20:01< Alarantalara> I've been away recently and am currently catching up on uploading the new releases of Wesnoth, so i haven't had an opportunity to look at anything else yet.
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20120827 17:21:13< SeattleDad> Okay, when you get a chance I'd appreciate your feedback.  This version had some tweaks to the core recruitment model, but was mainly focused on system integration issues
20120827 17:22:33< SeattleDad> Interestingly, on the Rebels vs. Rebels example that you are looking at, performance against the Default AI is very good, around 90.2% win ratio.
20120827 17:25:30< SeattleDad> It still goes heavily for Wose at the beginning of the Den of Onis scenario (around 90% chance of recruiting them), with the probability declining as it accumulates more Wose.
20120827 17:27:11< SeattleDad> Interestingly, if the enemy has a Red Mage as a leader, it gives much less weight to Wose, recruiting them with 72% probability at the start, which does make some sense
20120827 17:28:09< Alarantalara> Is the AI training against itself or the default AI?
20120827 17:28:43< SeattleDad> It's currently training against the default AI, but I'd like to experiment with it training against itself
20120827 17:30:23< SeattleDad> The default AI is pretty lousy at heavily recruiting units which exploit the opponents weaknesses
20120827 17:32:18< SeattleDad> The default AI always seems to be recruiting roughly the same blend regardless of what its opponent recruits whereas the ML Recruiter is more sensitive to what it's facing
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20120827 18:13:11< Alarantalara> Ivanovic: 1.10.4 for OS X is finally uploaded - was camping last weekend. Will start uploading 1.11 in a few minutes.
20120827 18:20:49< vultraz_laptop>  yay
20120827 18:20:54< vultraz_laptop> :D
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20120827 18:34:05< Ivanovic> Alarantalara: great, thanks!
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20120827 19:24:19< mordante> servus
20120827 19:24:48< lipkab> hi mordante
20120827 19:25:18< mordante> hi lipkab 
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20120827 19:25:41< mordante> lipkab, somewhat AFK at the moment, might be around later
20120827 19:26:51< lipkab> Oh the mindreader :) Okay.
20120827 19:29:00< anonymissimus> mordante: what is "NULL", other than the value of a pointer ?
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20120827 19:29:44< anonymissimus> or did you actually mean that, but why ?
20120827 19:31:47< mordante> anonymissimus, can you quote the sentence I said, then I can place it in its context
20120827 19:32:25< anonymissimus> "* Add a missing include for NULL."
20120827 19:33:12< anonymissimus> hm did you compile with some not so normal compiler which doesn't define NULL in one of the already included headers ?
20120827 19:33:40< mordante> I meant NULL as the pointer NULL, it is not a standard language feature but declared in a header
20120827 19:34:20< mordante> the amount of headers included in that file was low and GCC sometimes cleanup their own includes
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20120827 20:01:41< Alarantalara> Ivanovic: 1.11.0 for OS X has finished uploading.
20120827 20:01:50< Ivanovic> wow
20120827 20:02:05< Ivanovic> then i should really figure out how i can best update the frontpage from here via some ssh hopping...
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20120827 21:24:38< Ivanovic> Alarantalara: have you already updated the downloads page with the OSX binary?
20120827 21:24:51< Alarantalara> yes
20120827 21:25:04< Alarantalara> Well, I've set the default download on Sourceforge
20120827 21:25:06< Ivanovic> i don't think I'll manage to get it done today and tomorrow i don't have the time to get it done, so i'll probably post the announcement on wednesday
20120827 21:25:19< Ivanovic> setting the default is good, but the wiki also needs an update
20120827 21:25:29< Alarantalara> Ah, I see. I can do that now I think
20120827 21:25:51< Ivanovic> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Download#Stable_.281.8_branch.29
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20120827 21:31:28< Alarantalara> Okay, I've updated the download links for both versions. Is there anything else I should be doing?
20120827 21:35:45< Ivanovic> nope, that is perfectly fine
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20120827 21:44:09< Ivanovic> Alarantalara: fixed your links and sizes
20120827 21:46:39< Alarantalara> Where do you get that size from? Sourceforge reports the larger size.
20120827 21:52:13< Espreon> fendrin_: So it seems.
20120827 21:52:56< fendrin_> Espreon: Which strings disappeared?
20120827 21:54:16< Espreon> fendrin_: Look at the bottom of this file: https://raw.github.com/Espreon/wesnoth-en_GB/master/wesnoth-editor/en_GB.po
20120827 21:57:00< fendrin_> Espreon: Okay, found the file with the missing gettext domain define, thanks.
20120827 21:57:35< Espreon> No prob.
20120827 21:57:40< Ivanovic> posted the releas ein the forums
20120827 21:58:11< Ivanovic> Alarantalara: the size calculated like HD manufacturers calculate the size
20120827 21:58:25< Ivanovic> so based on 1k = 1000
20120827 21:58:38< Ivanovic> while many filesystems tend to be 1k = 1024
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20120827 21:58:52< Ivanovic> what i do is multiply things and then devide by 1024 and 1024
20120827 21:58:56< fendrin_> Ivanovic: Espreon discovered that I missed to define a textdomain in one of the new editor files.
20120827 21:59:21< Ivanovic> everyone: posted the 1.1?.? announcements in the forum, about to upload the new frontpage
20120827 21:59:25< Ivanovic> shadowm: edits welcome!
20120827 22:12:50< shadowm> I edited it already.
20120827 22:13:02< shadowm> That is, the draft version.
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20120827 22:28:46< Ivanovic> thought more about the frontpage
20120827 22:30:10< shadowm> Eh, the frontpage text looks like standard Ivanovic style to me; that is to say, extremely boring.
20120827 22:30:22< Ivanovic> it is
20120827 22:30:40< Ivanovic> feel free to write something better, i have neither time nor mood right now to come up with something better
20120827 22:31:38< shadowm> I don't like editing web pages after the fact and I don't think I can do a much better job since I am not sure what the new stuff in 1.11.0 is myself.
20120827 22:32:21< shadowm> Yes, release notes etc.
20120827 22:32:43< shadowm> It feels to me as if I'm the only one who went into any kind of useful level of detail about user-facing changes in 1.11.0 in that document.
20120827 22:33:11< shadowm> Oh right, Alarantalara helpfully describe most of the UtBS changes too.
20120827 22:33:16< shadowm> *d
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20120827 22:45:03< Ivanovic> i had no nice changes for that list, so could not list anything either
20120827 22:45:16< Ivanovic> but yeah, some of the gsoc stuff could probably have been listed there
20120827 22:45:25< Ivanovic> not to mention other stuff like editor rework and such
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20120827 23:16:21< lipkab> Well, now that 1.10.4 is announced, someone should maybe unstickify the 1.10.3 thread...
20120827 23:16:52< lipkab> And I think shadowm is the 
20120827 23:17:02< lipkab> *perfect man for that job.
20120827 23:18:02< shadowm> Shame on Ivanovic for not doing it himself.
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20120827 23:19:01-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 184 bugs, 339 feature requests, 18 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20120827 23:31:27< Necrosporus> I did something with a unit and it just wanished... is it a bug?
20120827 23:31:48< shadowm> [kill] making a unit vanish would not be a bug.
20120827 23:31:50< Necrosporus> I can't remember, clicked around somehow, possibly pressed a key
20120827 23:32:21< Necrosporus> No, I was going to move unit (also it's debug mode enabled), clicked something and unit disappeared
20120827 23:32:42< Necrosporus> unit was selected
20120827 23:32:56< Necrosporus> Is there a shortcut in debug mode to remove selected unit?
20120827 23:33:34< shadowm> No.
20120827 23:38:07< Necrosporus> Than I have no idea, how did I remove that unit
20120827 23:38:21< Necrosporus> And should I file a bug report?
20120827 23:39:03< lipkab> You should try to reproduce it first...
20120827 23:39:04< Necrosporus> I was going to type command unit moves=1000 since movement wasn't enough... afair command string didnt appear
20120827 23:40:01< Necrosporus> What if I can't?
20120827 23:40:45< Necrosporus> Also game was reloaded via F5 in game menu, it sometimes seem to cause weird stuff
20120827 23:41:10< Necrosporus> I got it
20120827 23:41:19< lipkab> Then make sure to look up if there're anything about it in the logs, and give as much details as you can.
20120827 23:41:21< Necrosporus> I changed side of unit accidentally
20120827 23:41:34< Necrosporus> And since it's invisible it vanished
20120827 23:41:52< Necrosporus> I finished turn and enemy used it
20120827 23:42:20< lipkab> Well, then okay.
20120827 23:48:01< Necrosporus> But how would I change side of a unit several times if it's invisible?
20120827 23:48:32< Necrosporus> ah, seem to work
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20120827 23:51:44< shadowm> Ivanovic: I have an idea regarding CIA.
20120827 23:51:55< shadowm> Subscribe ping+qheaxmtn@cia.vc to the commits ML.
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20120827 23:53:11< shadowm> Hm. I guess you went to sleep already.
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20120827 23:53:43< Ivanovic> done
20120827 23:54:09< Ivanovic> no idea if this will do anything, maybe commit something to test?
20120827 23:54:21< shadowm> Hang on.
20120827 23:55:27< CIA-107> shadowmaster * r55175 /trunk/Doxyfile: Update Doxygen project version number
20120827 23:55:34< shadowm> Yes.
20120827 23:56:29< shadowm> Not sure how reliable this is when people commit a bunch of changesets in a row, though.
20120827 23:56:47< shadowm> I'm not the most suitable fellow for testing that since I'm on a connection with ridiculously high latency.
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20120827 23:57:17< shadowm> I'd dare to say, in any case, that this is better than nothing.
20120827 23:57:21< Ivanovic> and i am on my way off to bed
20120827 23:57:34< Ivanovic> yes, this is a lot better than no commit notes
20120827 23:57:36< Ivanovic> n8
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