--- Log opened Wed Aug 08 00:00:28 2012
20120808 00:02:02< elias> i wonder if it's a permission problem
20120808 00:02:10< elias> but you said moving the files actually succeeded
20120808 00:02:10< celticminstrel> Huh?
20120808 00:02:16< celticminstrel> Yes, it did.
20120808 00:02:28< celticminstrel> And stuff was generated, too. Just not the actual tre.3
20120808 00:02:31< celticminstrel> ^tree
20120808 00:02:51< elias> hm, it's supposed to move everything back
20120808 00:03:19< celticminstrel> I think I edited the script a bit; maybe I broke something like that.
20120808 00:03:46< celticminstrel> Let me check that again.
20120808 00:03:57< elias> the problem is if two addons are in the same folder they will affect each other if something is broken, so have to temporarily put it to a folder of its own
20120808 00:04:18< elias> (a symlink would be a better idea, thinking about it...)
20120808 00:04:27< elias> let me change that
20120808 00:04:49< celticminstrel> Provided the Python will follow symlinks.
20120808 00:05:04< elias> true. and it would fail under windows :P
20120808 00:05:47< celticminstrel> Well, Windows does have an equivalent though.
20120808 00:05:52< elias> did it create an error.log file?
20120808 00:06:01< celticminstrel> Where would that be?
20120808 00:06:43< elias> in the output folder, in a sub-folder
20120808 00:06:52< elias> there should be one sub-folder for each parsed addon
20120808 00:06:59< elias> and a logfile inside
20120808 00:08:00< celticminstrel> I see no error.logs in the output folders. Only index.html and an empty en_US folder.
20120808 00:08:35< elias> for all of them, or just your addon?
20120808 00:08:53< celticminstrel> For mine, at least.
20120808 00:09:29< celticminstrel> I modified the wmlunits a bit because it said the add-ons weren't found and then crashed because style.css wasn't found (the latter might be due to passing the wrong path somewhere?).
20120808 00:11:44< elias> it loos in ${data_dir}/data/tools/unit_tree/style.css
20120808 00:11:48< elias> looks
20120808 00:13:27< elias> what is your $WESNOTH_DIR set to?
20120808 00:13:36< elias> basically it has to be the toplevel source folder
20120808 00:13:53< celticminstrel> Hm.
20120808 00:13:58< elias> besides style.css it will also look for all the core WML in the same way
20120808 00:14:08< celticminstrel> It's currently /Games/Wesnoth.app/Contents/Resources/data
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20120808 00:14:27< celticminstrel> Or something like that.
20120808 00:14:32< elias> does that have tools/unit_tree/style.css?
20120808 00:14:49< celticminstrel> Yes.
20120808 00:15:02< elias> hm, should have been found that
20120808 00:15:06< elias> *then
20120808 00:15:38< elias> you could try pointing it to a source tree instead
20120808 00:16:10< celticminstrel> ie checkout from svn?
20120808 00:16:42< elias> yeah. i mean, i don't see why it wouldn't work with the release version - but worth a try
20120808 00:17:28< elias> can i download you addon somewhere? if you want i can try it here and (if it works here) give you my command-line
20120808 00:18:22< celticminstrel> It was looking at $WESNOTH_DIR/data/data/tools.
20120808 00:18:27< celticminstrel> Um.
20120808 00:18:44< celticminstrel> $WESNOTH_DIR/data/tools, which expands to include /data/data.
20120808 00:19:20< celticminstrel> However, removing /data from $WESNOTH_DIR results in a bunch of subprocess pipe errors… o.O
20120808 00:19:44< celticminstrel> Uh, you can download the campaign from the add-on server. I haven't uploaded the other add-on yet.
20120808 00:20:14< elias> it should not have /data
20120808 00:20:27< elias> oh
20120808 00:20:36< elias> well, yeah, inside the .app paths are different
20120808 00:20:50< celticminstrel> Are they really that much different?
20120808 00:22:42< celticminstrel> These errors appear to result from an attempt to invoke ImageMagick.
20120808 00:22:50< elias> oh
20120808 00:22:53< celticminstrel> Which… appears to be not installed.
20120808 00:22:54< elias> that part is not by me
20120808 00:23:27< elias> you can ignore it
20120808 00:23:40< elias> it just re-colors pictures
20120808 00:23:41< celticminstrel> It's the TeamColorizer raising file not found errors.
20120808 00:23:56< elias> yeah, TeamColorizer needs to be rewritten anyway
20120808 00:24:06< elias> it doesn't handle alpha correctly
20120808 00:24:11< celticminstrel> Prior to that though, it says my add-ons are not found.
20120808 00:24:37< celticminstrel> eg "DruidSiege not found"
20120808 00:25:07< elias> is it found by wesnoth itself?
20120808 00:25:15< celticminstrel> Yeah, Wesnoth sees it.
20120808 00:25:23< elias> what is CONFIG_DIR?
20120808 00:25:44< celticminstrel> $HOME/Library/Application Support/Wesnoth_1.10
20120808 00:25:57< celticminstrel> Should I append /data or /data/add-ons?
20120808 00:28:07< celticminstrel> Appending /data does not work.
20120808 00:28:25< elias> what does wesnoth --config-path say?
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20120808 00:29:59< celticminstrel> Nothing, just prints the version.
20120808 00:30:13< celticminstrel> ie v1.10.3
20120808 00:30:22< celticminstrel> And the current time.
20120808 00:30:26< elias> hm
20120808 00:30:49< celticminstrel> Wesnoth finds all its stuff under the aforementioned path, though.
20120808 00:30:54< celticminstrel> User stuff, that is.
20120808 00:31:17< elias> version and time should be in stderr
20120808 00:31:19< celticminstrel> (Appending /add-ons still fails)
20120808 00:31:43< elias> stdout should have the path
20120808 00:31:46< celticminstrel> Probably; the terminal shows both stderr and stdout usually.
20120808 00:31:49< celticminstrel> Oh.
20120808 00:31:59< elias> yeah, it should show it, as last line
20120808 00:32:19< celticminstrel> Wait, I'm blind, it did show it.
20120808 00:32:27< elias> oh, maybe $HOME is not expanded
20120808 00:32:37< celticminstrel> Okay.
20120808 00:32:44< elias> and the script itself likely wouldn't understand it then
20120808 00:33:01< elias> also, relative paths probably don't work (but looks you use absolute anyway)
20120808 00:33:02< celticminstrel> That's why I used $HOME instead of ~...
20120808 00:33:21< celticminstrel> $HOME is expanded.
20120808 00:33:25< elias> ah, ok
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20120808 00:35:24< elias> well, i'll be back tomorrow, need to sleep now
20120808 00:35:29< celticminstrel> Okay.
20120808 00:36:15< elias> but yes, the script definitely could use option checking and more specific options - you're just the only person in 5 years who ever wanted to use it :)
20120808 00:37:47< celticminstrel> Heh.
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20120808 00:46:04< celticminstrel> The space in Application Support appears to be part of the issue.
20120808 01:08:04< celticminstrel> Okay elias, if you see this tomorrow… with this altered move() function ( http://pastebin.com/v3rDXSg3 ) I can get it to sort of work; it generates the files for individual units, kinda. However it's not really doing it right; the units generated are not the ones actually in the add-on; it includes all the units from nearly every other add-on, but not the one it's parsing. Furthermore, it doesn't generate the era page with the unit 
20120808 01:08:05< celticminstrel> trees. And for the campaign it generates nothing at all. Finally, the units for one add-on are put in the folder of another, but the units of that add-on aren't found anyway; probably irrelevant, but said add-on happens to not have a _server.pbl yet.
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20120808 01:57:40 * celticminstrel goes back to trying to figure out how [filter]formula= works.
20120808 01:58:13< ancestral> Too bad [filter] can't be more direct, imo
20120808 01:58:22< celticminstrel> Hm?
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20120808 01:59:41< ancestral> I guess it accomplishes the same thing
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20120808 01:59:53< celticminstrel> I'm not sure what you mean by "more direct".
20120808 02:00:00< ancestral> I feel like I'd have more power if I could see all the units for a side
20120808 02:00:09< ancestral> Or call a specific unit on a side with very little code
20120808 02:00:15< ancestral> Probably there's a way to do it in Lua
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20120808 02:02:11< ancestral> Probably more a style thing than anything
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20120808 02:04:34< celticminstrel> I thought that name looked familiar...
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20120808 02:09:18< ancestral> How so?
20120808 02:09:40< ancestral> From the forums I'm guessing
20120808 02:10:21< celticminstrel> Not you; Elvish_Pillager. Though I might've seen you on the forums.
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20120808 17:11:05< Necrosporus> Is it possible to win Princess' revenge map on hard without large casualties?
20120808 17:11:54< Necrosporus> Is there a resource where I can see replays of single player games made by experienced players?
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20120808 17:20:49< Crendgrim> Necrosporus: the forums
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20120808 18:04:04< Crendgrim> Necrosporus: on a related note, see this (new) thread: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=37373
20120808 18:05:41< Necrosporus> That's normal
20120808 18:05:51< Necrosporus> I'm talking about hard... but thanks
20120808 18:06:11< Necrosporus> btw, I won previous scenario in 12 turns
20120808 18:07:27< Crendgrim> right, I just saw that thread and remembered that you asked about it.
20120808 18:07:50< Crendgrim> there should be replays in the Mainline Campaign Feedback section
20120808 18:08:38< Necrosporus> Is it even possible to defeat all liches on hard difficulty without losing the army
20120808 18:08:41< Crendgrim> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=487008#p487008
20120808 18:09:08< Crendgrim> that guy did all mainline campaigns on the hardest difficulty, so you might be interested in the replay
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20120808 18:48:36< Necrosporus> Crendgrim, thanks... so both got sourthern castle
20120808 18:53:48< celticminstrel> Should WML/Lua questions go here or in the -dev channel?
20120808 18:54:04< zookeeper> here works just as well
20120808 18:54:29< celticminstrel> Yay, one less channel to join. :P
20120808 19:01:22< celticminstrel> Is it just me, or is this example missing a parameter? It doesn't make sense as-is. http://wiki.wesnoth.org/LuaWML:Variables#helper.get_variable_array
20120808 19:02:28< Crendgrim> celticminstrel: it's just you, I think.
20120808 19:02:44< celticminstrel> So then, how does it know which WML table to fetch the array from?
20120808 19:03:10< Crendgrim> you give the name of the container as its parameter
20120808 19:04:06< celticminstrel> Yes, but what about the container that you're fetching the containers from?
20120808 19:04:19< Crendgrim> eh?
20120808 19:04:40< Crendgrim> I think either you or I are misunderstanding something :p
20120808 19:04:49< celticminstrel> For example, I have a unit and I want to get a list of its attacks.
20120808 19:06:34< Crendgrim> I didn't work with WML for too long; right now I don't know how exactly a unit looks like
20120808 19:06:54< celticminstrel> In the get_child example, a unit config is passed as the first parameter.
20120808 19:07:16< celticminstrel> Hm.
20120808 19:07:23< celticminstrel> Oh.
20120808 19:07:26< celticminstrel> I get it
20120808 19:07:32< celticminstrel> I should be using child_range, right?
20120808 19:07:47< Crendgrim> you could do that, right
20120808 19:08:10< celticminstrel> What if I wanted to add an element to the range?
20120808 19:08:30< Crendgrim> or if you want to use get_variable_array for some reason, it should be something like this: helper.get_variable_array "unit.attack" (if $unit is the WML variable the unit is stored to)
20120808 19:08:38< Crendgrim> do you want to add an attack?
20120808 19:09:53< celticminstrel> Possibly, but more important right now is changing the attacks temporarily.
20120808 19:10:28< celticminstrel> I think I can figure this out...
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20120808 19:38:22< celticminstrel> Hm. How to iterate over all subtags regardless of name...
20120808 19:39:17< celticminstrel> Or I could just iterate over the whole object and check if each key is a number.
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20120808 19:43:34< celticminstrel> Or apparently ipairs only iterates over integer keys anyway.
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20120808 21:49:52< celticminstrel> Does [set_menu_item] add it for all sides or just the current side?
20120808 21:55:32< Gambit> That's not how that works.
20120808 21:55:51< Gambit> [set_menu_item] creates a menu item. You then use set conditions for its appearance.
20120808 21:56:12< celticminstrel> Okay, so I don't need first_time_only=no.
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20120808 21:56:33< celticminstrel> Oh… except for that one thing...
20120808 21:58:21< Gambit> I have a sudden urge to play some Wesnoth now...
20120808 21:58:28< celticminstrel> Why's that?
20120808 21:58:37< Gambit> I don't know :o
20120808 21:58:45< celticminstrel> Uh…okay.
20120808 21:58:48 * Gambit downloads GambCiv
20120808 21:59:08< celticminstrel> That sounds like an add-on created by you. Why would you need to download it.
20120808 21:59:55< Gambit> Because I haven't worked on it in a very long time, and downloading it from the add-on server is quicker than git cloning and linking.
20120808 22:00:06< celticminstrel> Oh.
20120808 22:00:20< celticminstrel> Uh… linking?
20120808 22:00:41< Gambit> A soft link in the add-ons directory pointing to my source directory
20120808 22:00:47< celticminstrel> Ah.
20120808 22:00:49< celticminstrel> <_<
20120808 22:01:04< celticminstrel> I'm doing my work right in the add-ons directory, complete with .git.
20120808 22:01:04< Gambit> Hmmm
20120808 22:01:06< celticminstrel> >_>
20120808 22:01:37< Gambit> For some reason I keep all my SVN checkouts and git clones in a central place
20120808 22:01:41< Gambit> and then link them out to other places
20120808 22:01:45< Gambit> if needed
20120808 22:02:02< Gambit> I also don't install anything that I git clone or svn checkout...
20120808 22:02:02< celticminstrel> Does that mean the .git is being put on the add-on server? Because if so I should probably do that thing that git does where the .git is put somewhere else.
20120808 22:02:17< Gambit> Wesnoth is probably smart enough to ignore hidden files.
20120808 22:02:24< celticminstrel> Hope so!
20120808 22:02:36< celticminstrel> I suppose I can download it from addons.wesnoth.com and check.
20120808 22:03:17< Gambit> You should probably use wesnoth.org instead :P
20120808 22:03:24< celticminstrel> Or that. Whatever.
20120808 22:03:39< celticminstrel> I usually let Chrome fill that bit in for me.
20120808 22:04:43< celticminstrel> Hm.
20120808 22:04:51 * celticminstrel decides to jump into terrain graphics. :/
20120808 22:17:41< Espreon> Have fun.
20120808 22:18:49< celticminstrel> All I want to do is paste a small image around the border of some hexes.
20120808 22:21:08< Espreon> Again, have fun.
20120808 22:33:04< celticminstrel> Okay, first I need to figure out why it doesn't appear in the editor palette.
20120808 22:34:17< Gambit> Teehee. Retreating injured units onto transport ships so that they can't be attacked on your opponent's turn for the win.
20120808 22:34:29< celticminstrel> Heh.
20120808 22:35:39< celticminstrel> Oh wait, I know why it didn't show up.
20120808 22:38:00< shadowm> .git is ignored by default, but if you have provided your own .ign file you'll need to add suitable patterns yourself.
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20120808 22:38:49< celticminstrel> .ign?
20120808 22:39:01< shadowm> _server.ign
20120808 22:39:26< celticminstrel> I have never heard of this...
20120808 22:39:31< shadowm> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/IGNFileFormat
20120808 22:39:45< shadowm> You don't need to. The defaults should be sane for most situations.
20120808 22:40:01< celticminstrel> I suppose the default on that link is outdated?
20120808 22:40:15< shadowm> Yes.
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20120808 22:41:02< celticminstrel> Oh wait, it does cover .git; maybe it's not outdated..3
20120808 22:41:24< shadowm> As of 1.10, the defaults are .*, .*/, #*#, *~, *-bak, *.swp, *.pbl, *.ign, _info.cfg, *.exe, *.bat, *.cmd, *.com, *.scr, *.sh, *.js, *.vbs, *o, Thumbs.db, __MACOSX, *.wesnoth, *.project
20120808 22:41:38< shadowm> .git/, .svn/, .hg/ are matched by the .*/ pattern.
20120808 22:52:23< celticminstrel> Okay, so why does the tile image display but not the other image...
20120808 22:52:46< celticminstrel> Might be layering...
20120808 23:01:06< Gambit> Anyone for a game of Breaking Ground?
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20120808 23:17:45< celticminstrel> So I can get [tile][image] to appear in the editor, but it seems to provide no control over positioning, and [image] outside [tile] refuses to appear.
20120808 23:23:04< Gambit> Terrain transitions are black magic.
20120808 23:23:14< Gambit> Especially the animated ones.
20120808 23:23:22< Gambit> Tide comes in
20120808 23:23:24< Gambit> Tide goes out
20120808 23:23:27< Gambit> You can't explain that!
20120808 23:23:27< celticminstrel> Good thing I don't need any animations.
20120808 23:24:08< celticminstrel> I haven't even gotten as far as transitions. I'm stuck on getting an image to appear at all.
20120808 23:24:36< Gambit> oh gods the horror: http://wesnoth.wikia.com/wiki/Wesnoth_Wiki
20120808 23:25:35< celticminstrel> Uh, why when there's already one?
20120808 23:25:49< Gambit> Indeed.
20120808 23:27:18< celticminstrel> This sounds like it was written either by or for something like 10-13-year-olds: http://wesnoth.wikia.com/wiki/Hacks
20120808 23:28:54< Gambit> I was googling Dave and that came up v_v
20120808 23:29:01< celticminstrel> Who?
20120808 23:29:37< Gambit> David White. The creator of Wesnoth and Frogatto and former Google employee and current Valve employee plus all around awesome dude.
20120808 23:30:20< Gambit> I wanted to tell some other people how awesome he is so I was looking for a wikipedia page. But nothing :(
20120808 23:32:51< celticminstrel> Might it be that the terrain engine won't place multiple copies of the same image for a single terrain_graphics? (Seems unlikely, but!)
20120808 23:34:04< Gambit> Terrain WML is black magic.
20120808 23:34:19< Gambit> Also anything to do with the AI.
20120808 23:34:27< celticminstrel> Indeed.
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20120808 23:39:18< celticminstrel> The base= key specifies the "most significant pixel" if I understand the wiki correctly.
20120808 23:40:50< Crendgrim> don't forget ThemeWML. That's black magic as well.
20120808 23:41:15< celticminstrel> I'll probably never touch that one.
20120808 23:51:17< Gambit> nah ThemeWML is shit
20120808 23:51:42< Gambit> It can't do anything fun :(((
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