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20120811 01:58:04< Axalara> HULA!
20120811 01:58:24< Axalara> BROS, I ARRIVED IN AMERICA
20120811 02:05:40< ancestral> Oh boy
20120811 02:05:44< ancestral> Hello Axalara :)
20120811 02:05:55< Axalara> !?
20120811 02:06:00< Axalara> ancestral!?
20120811 02:06:04< Axalara> greetings!
20120811 02:06:14< Axalara> we are finally together!
20120811 02:06:25< Axalara> I arrive in usa
20120811 02:06:42< ancestral> Oh yeah?
20120811 02:07:12< Axalara> but...
20120811 02:07:20< Axalara> forced to be landed in alaska
20120811 02:07:33< Axalara> to send one man to hospital
20120811 02:07:42< ancestral> Coming to America?
20120811 02:07:52< ancestral> Also the name of this movie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094898/
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20120811 02:30:08< celticminstrel> ...
20120811 02:31:43< Espreon> Q
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20120811 04:34:17< Forty-3> I can't find units.pl as referenced in http://wiki.wesnoth.org/UnitAnalysis
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20120811 04:37:02< Forty-3> has it been removed since a more recent version?
20120811 04:37:12< Forty-3> I noticed that the scripts are now in python
20120811 04:37:34< Espreon> That is probably the case.
20120811 04:38:25< Forty-3> but where did the script go?
20120811 04:38:43< Forty-3> it seems quite useful...
20120811 04:39:29< Espreon> It was probably either rewritten in another language or deleted.
20120811 04:40:16< Forty-3> :|
20120811 04:40:17< Espreon> You could always dig up the Perl version from SVN history if you really want it...
20120811 04:40:45< Forty-3> ok
20120811 04:40:55< Forty-3> what version was from 2010?
20120811 04:40:59< Forty-3> feb 17
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20120811 04:43:31< Espreon> Probably something in the 1.5.x series.
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20120811 04:49:21< Forty-3> k
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20120811 07:07:01< Forty-3> I'm testing out a scenerio, but it's not listed in the campaign menu
20120811 07:07:18< Forty-3> how can I get a readout of what the frontend is doing?
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20120811 07:15:28< Forty-3> anyone home?
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20120811 07:21:50< Forty-3> Androgeos: can you help?
20120811 07:34:49< celticminstrel> Um, scenarios aren't listed in the campaign menu...
20120811 07:35:00< Forty-3> but it's in a campaign
20120811 07:35:14< celticminstrel> Campaigns are listed in the campaign menu. Not scenarios.
20120811 07:35:20< Forty-3> ok
20120811 07:35:22< celticminstrel> Campaigns are defined with a [campaign] tag.
20120811 07:35:31< Forty-3> my campaign is not listed
20120811 07:35:45< celticminstrel> So I'm guessing you do have a campaign tag?
20120811 07:35:49< Forty-3> yes
20120811 07:35:55< Forty-3> in _main.cfg
20120811 07:35:59< celticminstrel> Pastebin that file?
20120811 07:36:19< celticminstrel> It's at the top of your add-on directory, right?
20120811 07:36:23< Forty-3> http://fpaste.org/TYAY/
20120811 07:36:30< Forty-3> celticminstrel: huh?
20120811 07:36:41< celticminstrel> Huh, there's another pastebin I've never seen.
20120811 07:36:49< Forty-3> it's used by fedora
20120811 07:37:04< Forty-3> so I can do something like "fpaste myfile.txt"
20120811 07:37:09< Forty-3> and it gives me a url
20120811 07:37:11< celticminstrel> Nice.
20120811 07:37:34< celticminstrel> Anyway. I mean, your add-ons is in a folder such as MyAddon, and it's at MyAddon/_main.cfg
20120811 07:37:44< Forty-3> yes
20120811 07:38:18< celticminstrel> Heh, first scenario is test. I did that too since I was developing a custom unit as a focal point.
20120811 07:38:38< celticminstrel> Okay.
20120811 07:38:43< Forty-3> I made a couple custom units, and I want to test them out
20120811 07:39:03< celticminstrel> I don't think you need to quote your id, and I'd recommend not having spaces in it. (Also you misspelled plummets.)
20120811 07:39:07< Forty-3> ok
20120811 07:39:10< Forty-3> :P
20120811 07:39:14< celticminstrel> first_scenario is also misspelled. Maybe that's the problem.
20120811 07:39:33< Forty-3> ok
20120811 07:39:43< Forty-3> oooooh
20120811 07:39:45< celticminstrel> Apart from that I don't see any issues.
20120811 07:40:07< Forty-3> grr
20120811 07:40:11< celticminstrel> ?
20120811 07:40:29< Forty-3> still not working
20120811 07:41:07< celticminstrel> Maybe it needs a description? I dunno.
20120811 07:41:11< Forty-3> ok
20120811 07:41:43< celticminstrel> I don't think image= is used.
20120811 07:41:50< celticminstrel> Maybe I'm wrong.
20120811 07:41:55< celticminstrel> Oh wait.
20120811 07:41:58< celticminstrel> Duh.
20120811 07:42:00< celticminstrel> Ignore that.
20120811 07:42:08< Forty-3> k
20120811 07:42:10< celticminstrel> I just don't have one in mine yet. XD
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20120811 07:42:28< Forty-3> could it be in my scenario file?
20120811 07:42:37< celticminstrel> Maybe?
20120811 07:42:41< Forty-3> yes
20120811 07:42:47< Forty-3> I misspelt is there as well...
20120811 07:42:57< celticminstrel> Misspelled what now?
20120811 07:43:02< shadowm> What's the file's path relative to the add-ons dir?
20120811 07:43:20< Forty-3> shadowm: which file?
20120811 07:43:26< shadowm> The file you pastebinned.
20120811 07:43:36< Forty-3> ~/.wesnoth1.8/data/add-ons/Plummets_of_Magi/_main.cfg
20120811 07:44:08< shadowm> The problem is that it does not appea rin the campaigns menu, right?
20120811 07:44:41< Forty-3> yes
20120811 07:44:56< shadowm> And this just in case, you are aware that 1.8 is not supported anymore?
20120811 07:45:03< Forty-3> oh?
20120811 07:45:35< Forty-3> but it's the latest version in the repos
20120811 07:45:43< shadowm> Ubuntu?
20120811 07:45:47< Forty-3> fedora
20120811 07:46:06< shadowm> Ah, no idea about backports there then. Anyway that's unrelated to the problem at hand.
20120811 07:46:15< Forty-3> and I just updated yesterday...
20120811 07:46:27< celticminstrel> Latest is 1.10.
20120811 07:46:31< Forty-3> wow
20120811 07:47:08< celticminstrel> 1.10.3
20120811 07:47:10< Forty-3> could grabbing the latest version fix it?
20120811 07:47:15< shadowm> No.
20120811 07:47:44< Forty-3> here's the scenerio file: http://fpaste.org/jDr0/
20120811 07:48:16< shadowm> At that point the campaign should appear in the campaign menu regardless of whether the scenario is valid or not, so the scenario can't be the problem.
20120811 07:48:18< celticminstrel> I don't see anything wrong there.
20120811 07:48:54< Forty-3> :|
20120811 07:48:55< celticminstrel> (Though I notice your textdomain is unexpectedly different.)
20120811 07:49:00< Forty-3> how?
20120811 07:49:07< shadowm> What's the terminal output, by the way?
20120811 07:49:36< celticminstrel> wesnoth-Plummets_of_Magi in _main.cfg, wesnoth-Simple_Campaign in test.cfg
20120811 07:49:43< celticminstrel> Shouldn't they be the same?
20120811 07:49:56< shadowm> Yes, but that's not the source of the problem either.
20120811 07:50:02< celticminstrel> No, it's not.
20120811 07:50:29< Forty-3> http://fpaste.org/N8eG/
20120811 07:50:55< shadowm> There isn't a ~/.wesnoth1.8/data/add-ons/Plummets_of_Magi.cfg file, right?
20120811 07:51:16< Forty-3> no
20120811 07:52:38< Forty-3> do I have to have diffuculties?
20120811 07:52:53< shadowm> And it is _exactly_ _main.cfg instead of some case variant like _Main.cfg or _main.CFG?
20120811 07:53:12< celticminstrel> You do not need difficulties, at least in 1.10.
20120811 07:53:13< Forty-3> yes
20120811 07:53:34< shadowm> The thing is, your pastebin works for me.
20120811 07:53:47< shadowm> The campaign appears in the campaign menu, that is; it obviously won't do anything else.
20120811 07:54:01< Forty-3> oh
20120811 07:56:00< shadowm> So if Wesnoth won't display the campaign menu entry, it must be because it somehow can't read the _main.cfg in the first place. If it were a syntax error, it'd complain rather loudly at startup.
20120811 07:56:28< Forty-3> oh
20120811 07:56:47< Forty-3> shit
20120811 07:56:52< celticminstrel> Something like file permissions or text encodings?
20120811 07:57:07< Forty-3> I had _main.cgf not cfg
20120811 07:57:42< celticminstrel> XD
20120811 07:58:10< Forty-3> well
20120811 07:58:14< Forty-3> thanks for the help
20120811 07:58:28< Forty-3> btw, is there any listing of unit averages?
20120811 07:58:45< Forty-3> like average xp for level 3 units
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20120811 07:58:55< celticminstrel> Not that I know of.
20120811 07:59:00< shadowm> celticminstrel: Unusual (e.g. not ASCII-compatible) encodings would result in loud complaints about syntax errors. A file that can't be opened for reading due to inadequate permissions will be reported in the terminal output.
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20120811 07:59:04< celticminstrel> I think I usually see 150 or so.
20120811 07:59:51< shadowm> Units that cannot level up further and have the default AMLA require an initial amount of 50 * level XP to get the AMLA.
20120811 07:59:53< Forty-3> oh, dear
20120811 08:00:00< shadowm> Except L0 units, which require 25 XP instead.
20120811 08:00:08< Forty-3> it can't find the scenerio 'test'
20120811 08:00:29< shadowm> I mean, as of Wesnoth 1.10. In Wesnoth 1.8 and earlier all max-level units required 150 regardless of level.
20120811 08:00:35< celticminstrel> shadowm: I assume you mean that's simply the standard formula used.
20120811 08:01:19< shadowm> celticminstrel: It's a standard formula that's consistent across mainline in 1.10 but it's by no means mandatory -- hence the maximum experience is configurable for each unit type.
20120811 08:01:37< celticminstrel> Right, that's what I meant.
20120811 08:01:38< shadowm> For regular level-ups, I don't think there's any formula or guidelines to follow.
20120811 08:01:59< Forty-3> hmm
20120811 08:02:54< Forty-3> I should be using the id for first_scenario, correct?
20120811 08:03:20< shadowm> The scenario's id, yes.
20120811 08:04:05< Forty-3> does the scenario have to be named anything?
20120811 08:05:39< shadowm> I have never tried writing a scenario without a name, but I wouldn't be surprised if such a thing had unexpected effects when saving games.
20120811 08:05:45< Forty-3> nvm
20120811 08:05:55< Forty-3> it was another spelling error
20120811 08:07:06< shadowm> Btw, if you are going to publish add-ons, you should really use Wesnoth 1.10 instead. Most players on other platforms with the ability to download those 300+something MiB use the latest stable series.
20120811 08:08:00< Forty-3> shadowm: I know
20120811 08:08:21< shadowm> Add-ons published on the 1.8 add-ons server are not visible to players on 1.10 unless they specifically look for them, and compatibility if not guaranteed. That said, I have no idea whether Fedora has any official or unofficial backport repositories, so you'd need to build Wesnoth yourself.
20120811 08:10:22< Forty-3> http://fpaste.org/GOtj/
20120811 08:11:04< shadowm> The contents of map_data should be within quotes.
20120811 08:11:07< Forty-3> ok
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20120811 08:12:57< Forty-3> same error
20120811 08:13:34< shadowm> I imagine you added something to the scenario file since you pasted it?
20120811 08:13:51< Forty-3> possibly
20120811 08:14:13< Forty-3> http://fpaste.org/jRVT/
20120811 08:15:17< shadowm> Yeah, GOLD expects three arguments (according to difficulty), as the terminal output says. Same applies to INCOME. Both are macros.
20120811 08:15:22< Forty-3> ok
20120811 08:15:33< shadowm> If you only need one value that is independent of difficulty, just specify income=123 and gold=123 directly.
20120811 08:15:40< Forty-3> ok
20120811 08:16:13< lipkab> Is there a dialect where "scenario" is spelled as "scenerio"? I see this so often.
20120811 08:16:40< Forty-3> lipkab: it's called bad spellers
20120811 08:16:46< Forty-3> which I am a member of
20120811 08:16:49< shadowm> lipkab: It can be pronounced with an 'e' in the middle, but it's not spelled like that.
20120811 08:17:18< Forty-3> S Eh N Air E Oh
20120811 08:18:25< Forty-3> anyway
20120811 08:18:31< Forty-3> still not working
20120811 08:18:37< lipkab> I thought so, but Forty-3 isn't the first person I see consistently miss-spelling it.
20120811 08:18:39< Forty-3> and giving the exact same errors
20120811 08:18:44< Forty-3> lipkab: we're a clan
20120811 08:18:58< Forty-3> many members
20120811 08:19:07< shadowm> Forty-3: What did you replace the four instances with?
20120811 08:19:11< Forty-3> oh
20120811 08:19:13< Forty-3> nvm
20120811 08:19:44< lipkab> Forty-3: Well, then you have a friend around here, he's called Axalara.
20120811 08:19:49< Forty-3> woot!
20120811 08:19:54< Forty-3> it works!
20120811 08:20:06< Forty-3> now to test my spiders!
20120811 08:20:39< shadowm> lipkab: I don't think miss-spelling is a thing other than a dehyphenated misspelling of misspelling.
20120811 08:21:26< shadowm> I mean hyphenated.
20120811 08:21:38< lipkab> I wasn't sure what to do with the three s-s next to eachother :P
20120811 08:21:51< shadowm> You collapse them into two.
20120811 08:22:15< lipkab> Yeah, I deducted that from your answer.
20120811 08:22:29< celticminstrel> deduced
20120811 08:23:04< Forty-3> hmm
20120811 08:23:11< Forty-3> now I need distinctive graphics
20120811 08:23:19< Forty-3> to the gimp!
20120811 08:23:25< Espreon> Good luck.
20120811 08:24:16< Forty-3> :D
20120811 08:24:35< Forty-3> I will soon have hordes of raging spiders at my disposal
20120811 08:24:39< Forty-3> muahahahahahahahaaaaa
20120811 08:24:48< celticminstrel> Heh!
20120811 08:24:49< Espreon> Forty-3: Now, please, please, PLEASE do not EVER mark empty strings as translatable.
20120811 08:24:57< Forty-3> ok
20120811 08:25:04< Espreon> Now, if you do ever mark an empty string as translatable, I'll have to have you beheaded.
20120811 08:25:16< Forty-3> k
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20120811 08:30:57< Forty-3> wow
20120811 08:31:55< Espreon> What?
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20120811 08:43:45< Forty-3> Espreon: there are many spiders attacking each other
20120811 08:44:24< Espreon> Yay.
20120811 08:47:56< Forty-3> oh dear
20120811 08:48:00< Forty-3> I've broken it
20120811 08:49:43< Forty-3> am I doing this unit right: http://fpaste.org/YZvc/
20120811 08:50:18< Espreon> ... No.
20120811 08:50:35< Forty-3> it was working
20120811 08:50:41< Forty-3> then I changed the image= tag
20120811 08:50:42< Espreon> You're trying to include an image file into WML...
20120811 08:50:48< Espreon> ... that's just... no.
20120811 08:50:51< Forty-3> oh
20120811 08:50:58< Forty-3> how do I do it right?
20120811 08:51:09< Espreon> By merely giving image= a path.
20120811 08:51:13< Forty-3> ah
20120811 08:51:32< Forty-3> where should I include it from?
20120811 08:52:07< Forty-3> addons, my campaign dir..?
20120811 08:52:09< Espreon> ... You don't include images.
20120811 08:52:22< Espreon> You merely point to them.
20120811 08:52:37< Espreon> The most you do to deal with images is by defining a binary path.
20120811 08:52:54< Espreon> ... and that's just to make pointing to images easier.
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20120811 08:55:29< Espreon> Forty-3: Also, don't bind that file to wesnoth-units.
20120811 08:55:37< Forty-3> ok
20120811 08:55:37< Espreon> It doesn't have most of the strings in that file.
20120811 08:55:49< Forty-3> bind what?
20120811 08:55:59< celticminstrel> For a terrain mask rule, does old= default to "anything"?
20120811 08:56:16< Espreon> Forty-3: ... The file.
20120811 08:56:24< celticminstrel> Also, for overlays do you do terrain=^Ozz?
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20120811 08:56:26< Forty-3> ... what file
20120811 08:56:46< Espreon> ... the Web Spinner's file, of course.
20120811 08:56:50< celticminstrel> Forty-3: He means change "#textdomain wesnoth-units" to some other textdomain.
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20120811 08:56:59< Forty-3> ah
20120811 08:57:03< Forty-3> k
20120811 08:57:16< celticminstrel> Do you know the answer to my question, Espreon?
20120811 08:57:41< Espreon> Sadly, I do not.
20120811 08:58:02< celticminstrel> Aw.
20120811 08:59:17< Forty-3> hm
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20120811 09:00:26< Forty-3> so I have these 4 files that the ai can use
20120811 09:00:28< Forty-3> http://fpaste.org/8byS/
20120811 09:00:57< Forty-3> of these, the ai only uses spiders, web spinners, and cave spiders
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20120811 09:01:11< Forty-3> not wolf spiders
20120811 09:01:35< Espreon> Just use "image=units/monsters/cave-spider.png"
20120811 09:01:48< Forty-3> ok
20120811 09:02:13< Forty-3> so the "data/add-ons/Plummets_of_Magi/images/" prefix is not neded?
20120811 09:02:21< Forty-3> *need
20120811 09:02:30< Espreon> Assuming you've set up your binary path right, yes.
20120811 09:02:41< Forty-3> ok
20120811 09:06:18< Forty-3> Espreon: I have not, appearently
20120811 09:06:32< Espreon> Hoo boy...
20120811 09:06:53< Espreon> Lemme see your _main.cfg
20120811 09:08:11< Forty-3> k
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20120811 09:08:38< Forty-3> http://fpaste.org/wAOi/
20120811 09:09:03< Espreon> ... You didn't even set one up!
20120811 09:09:10< Forty-3> oh
20120811 09:09:17< Espreon> Put this in your campaign's #ifdef:
20120811 09:09:22< Espreon> [binary_path]
20120811 09:09:37< Espreon>     path="data/add-ons/Plummet_of_Magi"
20120811 09:09:41< Espreon> [/binary_path]
20120811 09:09:42< celticminstrel> Why why why is the use_old key not documented on TerrainMaskWMl.
20120811 09:09:45< celticminstrel> ^WML
20120811 09:10:01< Espreon> Who knows?
20120811 09:10:16< Espreon> Probably because someone was too lazy to document it.
20120811 09:10:19< celticminstrel> It's in the example, but not listed with the keys.
20120811 09:10:28< Espreon> ... or maybe the example's outdated.
20120811 09:10:38< celticminstrel> I hope not. :P
20120811 09:10:41< Espreon> I wouldn't know because I don't use masks.
20120811 09:10:43< celticminstrel> I'm going to try it now.
20120811 09:11:07< Espreon> Well, I really don't do much with WML anymore, but whatever.
20120811 09:11:35< Forty-3> hm
20120811 09:11:39< Forty-3> still doesn't work
20120811 09:12:19< Espreon> Are you sure the image you're trying to point to exists?
20120811 09:12:29< Forty-3> yes
20120811 09:12:34< Forty-3> they used to work
20120811 09:12:43< Espreon> Hmmm...
20120811 09:13:01< Espreon> ... Zip your campaign up and PM it to me on the fora.
20120811 09:13:23< celticminstrel> Any idea what "A map without a header is not supported" means?
20120811 09:13:37< Espreon> What it says.
20120811 09:13:40< Forty-3> Espreon: k
20120811 09:13:46< Forty-3> you to bzip?
20120811 09:13:48< Forty-3> *do
20120811 09:13:52< celticminstrel> Isn't the header the border= line?
20120811 09:13:55< celticminstrel> The map has that.
20120811 09:13:56< Forty-3> oh, wait
20120811 09:14:01< Forty-3> need an account...
20120811 09:14:41< lipkab> Forty-3: Do you still have the units/ prefix before the image paths?
20120811 09:15:00< Forty-3> oops
20120811 09:15:09< lipkab> You don't need that.
20120811 09:15:41< Espreon> Perhaps he doesn't.
20120811 09:15:49< lipkab> (But a forum account is a good idea regardless)
20120811 09:15:56< Espreon> Forty-3: And yes, I am able to deal with bzipped files.
20120811 09:16:40< Espreon> celticminstrel: Well, then I guess something else is malformed.
20120811 09:17:16< Forty-3> wow
20120811 09:17:18< Forty-3> this is bs
20120811 09:17:25< Forty-3> my password is to long
20120811 09:17:55< Espreon> Ick.
20120811 09:18:29< celticminstrel> I hate sites that force you to have a "good" password.
20120811 09:18:47< celticminstrel> Or prevent you from reusing a password if you forget your password and have to reset it.
20120811 09:20:41< Forty-3> gah
20120811 09:20:49< Forty-3> 30 chars over the limit
20120811 09:20:53< Forty-3> @signature
20120811 09:20:57< celticminstrel> Maybe it can't handle a [terrain_mask] with no [rule]s.
20120811 09:21:01< lipkab> Forty-3: Uhm, I'm wrong, you definitely need to include units/ as well. I was looking up the wrong example for first.
20120811 09:21:18 * Forty-3 is sorely confuddled
20120811 09:21:37< Forty-3> wow
20120811 09:21:41< Forty-3> no image tags?
20120811 09:21:52< celticminstrel> Huh?
20120811 09:22:00< celticminstrel> [img]URL[/img] works for me.
20120811 09:22:04< lipkab> ...and no animgifs as avatar!
20120811 09:22:08< celticminstrel> Assuming you mean the forums.
20120811 09:22:26< Forty-3> wow
20120811 09:22:36< Forty-3> that completely butchered my sig
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20120811 09:25:58< Forty-3> Espreon: what's your username?
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20120811 09:26:36< lipkab> Forty-3: Espreon, strangely.
20120811 09:26:41< Forty-3> hm
20120811 09:26:44< Forty-3> ca't find it
20120811 09:27:00< Forty-3> oddly enough
20120811 09:27:13< Forty-3> it can't find anyone with usernames starting with "e" either
20120811 09:27:15< lipkab> Forty-3: Are you tryinig to send a PM?
20120811 09:27:20< Forty-3> yes
20120811 09:27:43< lipkab> Then just type "Espreon" in the addressee field, and click "Add".
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20120811 09:28:32< Forty-3> k
20120811 09:29:07< lipkab> Forty-3: But what you should do, really, is making a new thread in in Scenario/Campaign Development or WML Workshop.
20120811 09:29:14< Forty-3> yes
20120811 09:29:21< Forty-3> but these are all small issues
20120811 09:30:09< lipkab> Both sections are open for small issues, too.
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20120811 09:30:28< Forty-3> oh joy
20120811 09:30:32< Forty-3> it works now
20120811 09:30:38< zookeeper> (small issues you probably wouldn't have if you'd have based your add-on on an existing and working one)
20120811 09:31:31< lipkab> And it's possible that Espreon doesn't want to act as your personal corrector on the long term and you'll need to make that thread somewhen anyways.
20120811 09:33:00< Espreon> Indeed.
20120811 09:33:14< zookeeper> what always amazes me is how/why people make mistakes like trying to preprocessor-include an image file... which is something that they can never have seen done in any actual content. so where do they get the idea from?
20120811 09:33:50< Forty-3> zookeeper: the wiki
20120811 09:34:01< zookeeper> really? link, please
20120811 09:34:30< Forty-3> no
20120811 09:34:46< Forty-3> I mean I got the idea of including it based on its usage in the wiki
20120811 09:34:56< Forty-3> and my own stupidity
20120811 09:35:00< zookeeper> ok :P
20120811 09:35:02< Espreon> Forty-3: Define your binary path before including files...
20120811 09:35:09< Forty-3> ok
20120811 09:35:24< Espreon> zookeeper: Perhaps you should write an article on why it should not be attempted.
20120811 09:35:27< Espreon> Then again...
20120811 09:35:31< Espreon> ... no one will read it, so... blargh.
20120811 09:35:47< Espreon> No one reads anything I write, after all.
20120811 09:35:55< Espreon> ... so I guess I'll not write about WesCamp anymore.
20120811 09:36:28< Forty-3> translation is fun
20120811 09:36:35< zookeeper> Espreon, you mean the WML tutorial i got sitting on my harddrive and which i started writing in 2009 and have never finished? :p
20120811 09:36:46< Espreon> zookeeper: Sure, why not?
20120811 09:37:07< zookeeper> yeah
20120811 09:37:26< Forty-3> release early, release often
20120811 09:37:41< Espreon> (Something I've never done)
20120811 09:37:44< Forty-3> heh
20120811 09:38:01< zookeeper> it's just a little something that was meant to explain the WML syntax to beginners so they could tell what an include does and what a macro does and so forth so they wouldn't try silly(tm) things
20120811 09:43:56< Espreon> Well, good night, everyone.
20120811 09:44:26< lipkab> Happy dreams.
20120811 09:47:11< zookeeper> Forty-3, actually, since you're a newbie, i could pastebin my short-and-incomplete tutorial to you and then you could tell me whether it actually helps you to understand anything better, if you want.
20120811 09:47:18< Forty-3> ok
20120811 09:47:21< Forty-3> please do
20120811 09:48:23< zookeeper> ok, here it is: http://pastebin.com/yzeKGzpQ
20120811 09:48:49< zookeeper> but really, as i said it's never been finished and doesn't cover everything, but at least there's the very basics
20120811 09:50:20< Forty-3> zookeeper: stop self-deprecating
20120811 09:50:26< Forty-3> if it sucks, it sucks
20120811 09:51:07< zookeeper> fine :p
20120811 09:53:24< Forty-3> zookeeper: the macro creation part is confusing
20120811 09:53:40< Forty-3> not sure what you're doing with userdata either
20120811 09:53:46< Forty-3> otherwise, looks nice
20120811 09:54:12< Forty-3> there's not much I couldn't infer from looking at some wml, though
20120811 09:54:26< Forty-3> I'd love to see the macro section expanded
20120811 09:55:15< zookeeper> yeah, never got around to it
20120811 09:59:42< celticminstrel> Still getting "A map without a header is not supported" :(
20120811 10:04:34< shadowm> Forty-3: Regarding your signature: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=24277#w0sigquotes
20120811 10:04:38< zookeeper> celticminstrel, you're screwing up your map include, most likely
20120811 10:05:00< celticminstrel> I'm trying to apply a terrain mask which replaces the existing terrain.
20120811 10:05:28< zookeeper> well, pastebin?
20120811 10:05:29< Forty-3> shadowm: eh
20120811 10:05:33< celticminstrel> Yeah.
20120811 10:05:45< celticminstrel> I'll just paste the [terrain_mask] and the .mask
20120811 10:07:16< celticminstrel> zookeeper: http://pastebin.com/b60rfCiR
20120811 10:09:44< zookeeper> celticminstrel, it should be mask=, not map=
20120811 10:09:57< celticminstrel> …well.
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20120811 10:10:22< celticminstrel> Thanks.
20120811 10:10:26< celticminstrel> <_<
20120811 10:10:36< zookeeper> np :>
20120811 10:10:45< zookeeper> happens to everyone ;)
20120811 10:10:54< celticminstrel> Now I just have to fix my rules in this other mask.
20120811 10:11:24< celticminstrel> Trying to make desert castle in the mask be ignored, and human castle be applied. Instead desert castle is only partially ignored and human castle is also ignored.
20120811 10:12:12< celticminstrel> The desert castle is ignored only if the original hex had no overlay, I think; it's applied when it has an overlay.
20120811 10:13:25< celticminstrel> http://pastebin.com/0muVX6jC
20120811 10:13:54< celticminstrel> (In case my description was inadequate. ;) )
20120811 10:16:31< zookeeper> can't say for sure off the top of my head, but try Cd* to make it also match castles with overlays
20120811 10:16:41< zookeeper> or perhaps Cd,Cd^* if that fails
20120811 10:19:55< celticminstrel> Huh?
20120811 10:21:02< celticminstrel> I meant the hex with a tree on it and a castle in the mask had a castle placed; but the grass hex with a castle in the map did not.
20120811 10:21:15< celticminstrel> And the human castles aren't placed at all; they should be.
20120811 10:21:55< zookeeper> uh, right. i dunno, masks are complicated :p
20120811 10:22:23< celticminstrel> Okay… I guess I'll go to sleep and figure it out later. I should've gone to sleep like, four hours ago.
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20120811 10:29:41< Guest77337> Anyone else having trouble logging into the forums?  Every time I try, it boots me out on the next page.
20120811 10:32:33< Guest77337> Nobody?
20120811 10:34:29< zookeeper> works for me
20120811 10:35:03< Guest77337> Any idea why it might be happening to me?
20120811 10:37:35< zookeeper> not really. maybe you have cookies disabled or something similar?
20120811 10:40:29< Guest77337> Haven't messed with my cookies recently.  The only thing I've changed recently is my proxy server.
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20120811 10:42:40< Guest77337> But I changed it back to default a few days ago.  The forum seems to authenticate me on one page, then act as if I've never logged in on the next.  I can't recall who the website admin is.
20120811 10:42:59< shadowm> Which website?
20120811 10:43:09< Guest77337> forums.wesnoth.org
20120811 10:43:16< shadowm> Oh yeah, that guy.
20120811 10:43:37< Guest77337> Does he have a name...?
20120811 10:43:39< shadowm> From what I've heard he wouldn't be able to help you anyway. He's clueless when it comes to using and diagnosing issues with proxies.
20120811 10:44:13< shadowm> He's in this very channel, talking to you.
20120811 10:44:17< shadowm> You could even say I am him.
20120811 10:44:26< Guest77337> Ah.
20120811 10:45:19< Guest77337> Let's say it has nothing to do with proxies.  What would this guy then suggest?
20120811 10:45:30< shadowm> What kind of proxy is it, anyway? Does it have a single IP address or is it something elaborate like Tor?
20120811 10:46:18< Guest77337> No proxy anymore.  I reset my connection back directly.
20120811 10:46:41< Guest77337> Unfortunately, I must go, I'll try back later today.
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20120811 11:34:06< Forty-3> how does wesnoth choose names for factions?
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20120811 13:37:39< Insinuator> Hello,  I was on earlier having difficulty logging into the forums.
20120811 13:39:14< Insinuator> Anyone else have trouble as well?
20120811 13:41:35< loonycyborg> Seems to work fine for me.
20120811 13:43:57< Insinuator> Whenever I log in, it boots me off on the next page without warning or notification.
20120811 13:46:47< loonycyborg> Try with a different browser :P
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20120811 13:48:07< Insinuator> Worth a shot.
20120811 13:49:06< Insinuator> Hey, it worked on IE!
20120811 13:56:33< loonycyborg> Probably that's some setting related to storing cookies or something.
20120811 13:58:07< Insinuator> Maybe, but I haven't messed with my cookies in Chrome at all.  Guess I'll take a look at them though.
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20120811 16:27:08< Forty-3> I need some help getting my scenario file to work
20120811 16:28:12< Forty-3> http://fpaste.org/jkLI/
20120811 16:43:27< zookeeper> well the first thing to tell is _how_ it doesn't work
20120811 16:43:34< zookeeper> from the look of it, you must be getting syntax errors on startup
20120811 16:44:14< zookeeper> namely your SET_LABEL calls are messed up. you pass 6,2 as the first argument, an underscore as the second argument and "Enterance 1" as the third
20120811 16:44:27< zookeeper> whereas you should of course pass 6, then 2, then _"Enterance 1"
20120811 16:44:59< zookeeper> and further down you have [/message] where you should have [message]
20120811 16:45:27< zookeeper> your MOVE_UNIT calls have a similar argument problem than the abovementioned
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20120811 16:47:11< Forty-3> ok
20120811 16:48:31< zookeeper> macro arguments are always separated by spaces, so you need to be careful with the translation markers (the underscores)
20120811 16:48:41< Forty-3> ok
20120811 16:49:03< Forty-3> it's complaining that there is no closing scenario tag
20120811 16:49:28< zookeeper> {SET_LABEL 6 2 _"Enterance 1"} or {SET_LABEL 6 2 (_ "Enterance 1")} are both valid ways of doing it, but of course the former is slightly clearer
20120811 16:49:50< Forty-3> ok
20120811 16:50:04< Forty-3> now it's just complaining about the lack of a scenario
20120811 16:50:14< Forty-3> err
20120811 16:50:16< Forty-3> unknown
20120811 16:50:56< Forty-3> "20120811 10:50:43 error general: Unknown scenario: 'grail'"
20120811 16:51:25< zookeeper> well, how does your first_scenario= line look like then?
20120811 16:51:47< Forty-3> first_scenario=grail
20120811 16:51:53< zookeeper> also, don't capitalize [Scenario] and [/Scenario]... that's confusing, and might cause problems. dunno if it does.
20120811 16:52:01< Forty-3> ok
20120811 16:52:40< zookeeper> if it still complains about unknown scenario, then pastebin your _main.cfg
20120811 16:52:44< Forty-3> do you want a paste of _
20120811 16:53:04< Forty-3> http://fpaste.org/j4sj/
20120811 16:53:34< Forty-3> nvm
20120811 16:53:36< Forty-3> it works now
20120811 16:53:43< zookeeper> good
20120811 16:54:10< zookeeper> remove the includes {~add-ons/Plummets_of_Magi/maps} {~add-ons/Plummets_of_Magi/images} and {~add-ons/Plummets_of_Magi/sounds}, they do nothing
20120811 16:54:20< Forty-3> ok
20120811 16:54:50< Forty-3> it's skipping over everything until the choice
20120811 16:55:10< zookeeper> when you include a directory like that, all it does is include every .cfg file in it... and since there's no .cfg files there, it doesn't actually do anything
20120811 16:55:59< zookeeper> well, the game might be reading id= mage as id=" mage" rather than id= "mage"
20120811 16:56:13< Forty-3> ah
20120811 16:56:17< zookeeper> also, you're using both "henak" and "hanek" so that explains why his line won't appear
20120811 16:56:41< Forty-3> oh
20120811 16:59:10< zookeeper> oh and you want to include utils before scenarios too. might not be necessary _yet_, but you always need to include a macro definition before the places where you use the macro, so... always include utils first
20120811 16:59:25< Forty-3> ok
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20120811 17:03:30< Forty-3> I seem to have broken it again
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20120811 17:07:45< zookeeper> well that sucks :p
20120811 17:07:55< Forty-3> let me paste...
20120811 17:08:13< Forty-3> http://fpaste.org/eme4/
20120811 17:09:55< zookeeper> so what's the problem?
20120811 17:11:37< Forty-3> Missing closing tag for tag scenario at ~add-ons/Plummets_of_Magi/scenarios/01a_Easy_as_Mice.cfg:3 included from ~add-ons/Plummets_of_Magi/_main.cfg:30, value '' at ~add-ons/Plummets_of_Magi/_main.cfg:38
20120811 17:12:32< zookeeper> so... doesn't that mean the error is in another file? surely that's not the file you just pastebinned, is it?
20120811 17:13:23< Forty-3> it is
20120811 17:13:34< Forty-3> oh, wait
20120811 17:14:04< Forty-3> why the heck has it decided that it wants to check the nect scenario all of a sudden?
20120811 17:14:09< Forty-3> *next
20120811 17:14:20< zookeeper> because all WML is loaded at startup
20120811 17:14:21< Forty-3> which I have conveniently not coded yet
20120811 17:15:04< zookeeper> and in this case, "at startup" also means "when starting a campaign" or "when entering multiplayer"
20120811 17:15:38< Forty-3> ah
20120811 17:15:40< Forty-3> ok
20120811 17:15:47< Forty-3> bbl
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20120811 17:24:53< celticminstrel> I (partially) figured out my terrain mask problem.
20120811 17:25:18< celticminstrel> I was applying two masks, but in the wrong order, so part of the one that should've been second was being overwritten by the other one.
20120811 17:25:30< celticminstrel> The desert castle still doesn't work though.
20120811 17:30:32< celticminstrel> Another unrelated problem: how can I spawn a unit that can't move until the next turn? Setting moves,attacks_left=0,0 doesn't seem to work as I thought it would.
20120811 17:31:50< zookeeper> might depend on what event you spawn them in. moves and attacks are refreshed at side turn start, so if you spawn them before that, they'll just get their moves back at their turn.
20120811 17:32:17< celticminstrel> That's what I thought (though after they're spawned it does say they have their max move points).
20120811 17:32:53< celticminstrel> It's a moveto event, so I guess I need another way.
20120811 17:33:18< zookeeper> well, you can always create a side turn (or rather turn refresh, i think) event in your moveto event
20120811 17:33:33< celticminstrel> Ah, that's true I guess...
20120811 17:35:05< celticminstrel> I wouldn't want to accidentally catch any units apart from the ones actually spawned, though...
20120811 17:35:35< celticminstrel> Maybe that's not possible (short of giving each one a unique id).
20120811 17:36:37< celticminstrel> What happens if you try to spawn a unit with an id that another unit already has?
20120811 17:37:09< celticminstrel> Is it just ignored?
20120811 17:37:31< celticminstrel> I guess if the first unit died though it'd be the same as if it never existed.
20120811 17:37:46< zookeeper> err, not sure. i don't see what that has to do with my suggestion though
20120811 17:37:58< celticminstrel> A slight tangent.
20120811 17:39:02< celticminstrel> So I guess I can either give each one an ID, or use a radius and risk catching another unit that was already there.
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20120811 17:40:35 * zookeeper shrugs
20120811 17:40:47< zookeeper> depends on how you want things to work, exactly. i wouldn't know
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20120811 18:42:17< celticminstrel> Oh! In an ability tag, is there any way to filter on the opponent during an attack?
20120811 18:45:01< celticminstrel> Only really useful for leadership/resistance abilities, but still.
20120811 18:45:10< zookeeper> nope
20120811 18:45:13< celticminstrel> Aw.
20120811 18:49:04< celticminstrel> I always seem to increase the coordinates of a mask by 1 relative to what I'd expect.
20120811 18:52:20< celticminstrel> [event] in [unit] seems to fail sometimes...
20120811 18:52:37 * zookeeper blinks
20120811 18:52:43< celticminstrel> Though I guess in this specific case it doesn't need to be in [unit] since this isn't a recurring unit.
20120811 18:52:46< zookeeper> yeah, i bet, there's no such thing. :p
20120811 18:52:50< celticminstrel> s/recurring/recallable/
20120811 18:52:59< celticminstrel> Uh… well, it seems to work in the one place it matters...
20120811 18:53:01< zookeeper> maybe you meant [unit_type]
20120811 18:53:27< celticminstrel> No...
20120811 18:53:40< zookeeper> well, in that case, [event] does nothing in [unit]
20120811 18:53:49< celticminstrel> Then why does this one thing work...
20120811 18:54:01< zookeeper> huh.
20120811 18:54:14< zookeeper> the wiki says it does work. must be a recent'ish addition i managed to miss. nevermind.
20120811 18:54:30< celticminstrel> Okay then… why does this other thing not work then...
20120811 18:54:36< zookeeper> "A [unit][event] is required a non-empty id= attribute. "
20120811 18:54:56< celticminstrel> I gave it an id=
20120811 18:55:14< celticminstrel> Then again, maybe I should just use unbalanced WML.
20120811 18:55:25< celticminstrel> This isn't a case where the event needs to be carried across scenarios.
20120811 18:55:56< celticminstrel> And this macro is only ever used as the final argument to {UNIT}.
20120811 18:56:36< celticminstrel> Oh, I suppose it could be that the filter failed or something.
20120811 18:56:47< celticminstrel> Debug message, then.
20120811 18:57:05< celticminstrel> (By the way, is there some way to make something that only happens if the :debug is enabled?)
20120811 18:57:20< celticminstrel> (I tried but couldn't manage it.)
20120811 18:57:21< zookeeper> yeah. when all else fails, use debug messages :p
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20120811 18:57:28< zookeeper> i don't think so, no
20120811 18:57:38< celticminstrel> It's a store_unit filter, so that helps a bit. :P
20120811 18:57:39< zookeeper> maybe with lua, but i dunno
20120811 18:57:50< celticminstrel> I was trying with lua.
20120811 18:58:38< celticminstrel> Something like… wesnoth.game_config.debug, I think it was.
20120811 18:58:49< celticminstrel> But it still appeared when :debug was not enabled.
20120811 19:05:57< celticminstrel> Why doesn't check_passability default to yes.
20120811 19:09:35< celticminstrel> Oh, by the way, is [+tag] safe to use on action tags?
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20120811 19:12:28< zookeeper> it should be
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20120811 19:12:55< zookeeper> it's a preprocessor thing, not runtime
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20120811 19:14:55< celticminstrel> Is "side turn refresh" not a valid event name? I suppose just "turn refresh" would work. The wiki actually doesn't list "side turn refresh"; it does list "side X turn refresh" and "side X turn Y refresh", though.
20120811 19:17:24< celticminstrel> turn refresh does work, but too late.
20120811 19:17:42< celticminstrel> I think that's kinda surprising behaviour for side turn refresh to not work...
20120811 19:18:32< celticminstrel> And this desert castle mask still doesn't work properly. :(
20120811 19:21:32< zookeeper> well... what the wiki lists are the ones that work
20120811 19:21:55< celticminstrel> Yeah, I guess the macro needs a side parameter. :|
20120811 19:27:31< celticminstrel> (Chat log should be available in single-player, since it's a nice place for debug messages.)
20120811 19:32:33< celticminstrel> Well, I'm going to have lunch, but I'll leave this here in case someone cares to look and happens to notices something clearly wrong. http://pastebin.com/0W0R05ap
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20120811 20:51:42< celticminstrel> So I guess no-one looked at the pastebin.
20120811 20:54:34< celticminstrel> Oh, I see my problem with the first one. I forgot unstore_unit.
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20120811 20:59:34< celticminstrel> As for the terrain mask, it works properly if I comment out the #ifdef bit. Does the game define HARD if no difficulties are defined, or something? (link for people who arrived later: http://pastebin.com/0W0R05ap )
20120811 21:00:06< celticminstrel> Actually, it doesn't use the HARD rule anyway.
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20120811 22:47:08< celticminstrel> I know it's not safe to change game state in a select event, but what if you change it back before the event finishes?
20120811 22:51:07< zookeeper> i don't see how it'd cause any problems
20120811 22:51:15< zookeeper> maybe depends on what exactly you do though, maybe not
20120811 22:52:04< celticminstrel> Change a unit's type (without changing any other stats, but with a levelling fade animation), then change it back.
20120811 22:54:58< zookeeper> well... if it works, it works
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20120811 22:56:35< celticminstrel> I guess that means I just have to try it. Which probably means opening two instances of Wesnoth.
20120811 22:56:56< celticminstrel> Since you don't get out-of-sync in local, right?
20120811 22:58:11< shadowm> You can, during replays.
20120811 22:58:20< celticminstrel> Ah, true.
20120811 22:58:25< celticminstrel> I saw that yesterday.
20120811 22:58:37< celticminstrel> When a unit definition had changed since the replay was made. :P
20120811 22:58:47< shadowm> Or if you are playing on a local MP server, which is the same as a remote one for that effect.
20120811 22:59:40< celticminstrel> By "local" I mean choosing the bottom option in the multiplayer menu; are you thinking of that, or are you thinking of the "host multiplayer game" and the other person connects to you?
20120811 23:00:33< shadowm> A local game does not start a local MP server; hosting an MP game does.
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