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20120820 04:40:00< celticminstrel> I notice there's no fr_CA language and am not sure whether I should be surprised.
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20120820 05:20:24< shadowm> If there aren't translators, there is no translation.
20120820 05:20:55< shadowm> New translations are started only once an initial translator volunteers as maintainer.
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20120820 08:29:20< igorko1> Ivanovic: hey. Wanna question? Is Espreonaway for a while?
20120820 08:30:38< shadowm> igorko1: Yes.
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20120820 08:31:23< igorko1> I have sent translation to Espreon, but seems he is away and will not commit them until release
20120820 08:31:50< igorko1> so I need someone else
20120820 08:31:58< shadowm> Yes, I said yes. He is away for a while.
20120820 08:32:17< igorko1> yes, as I said so I need someone else ;)
20120820 08:32:36< igorko1> to commit
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20120820 08:47:10< igorko> shadowm: so, who else can commit?
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20120820 08:52:42< shadowm> igorko: Ivanovic.
20120820 08:53:18< igorko> could you gimme his email?
20120820 08:53:28< shadowm> Isn't it in the wiki?
20120820 08:53:42< igorko> i\ll look
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20120820 09:01:46< igorko> kinda sent
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20120820 11:21:41< Necrosporus> Why am I playing like a noob while I read a few of strategic guides, finished several campaigns on maximum difficulty and have few years of experience (starting from 1.8.0) ?
20120820 11:31:26< igorko> your brain should support strategic games :D (My doesn't support too\)
20120820 11:41:10< Tomsik> Honestly?
20120820 11:41:17< Tomsik> You have to actually put effort in it
20120820 11:41:39< Tomsik> Just playing isn't enough, you have to think a step or ten ahead
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20120820 16:46:41< Necrosporus> Is it server problems?
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20120820 18:19:13< igorko> Espreon, Ivanovic: pings
20120820 18:23:08< Ivanovic> igorko: relax a little, some folks tend to be away over the day to do stupid things like "work"
20120820 18:23:34< igorko> well, I'm just pinging when open IRC:)
20120820 18:24:07< igorko> I have stupid thing like "work" too
20120820 18:24:31< igorko> Ivanovic: did you got my mail? I hope that address in wiki is not outdated
20120820 18:34:08< Ivanovic> the address in the wiki is not outdated
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20120820 18:38:54< igorko> heh, and now both of you are online :)
20120820 18:41:10< Ivanovic> for me he is still marked as away
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20120820 19:07:08< Ivanovic> igorko: committed
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20120820 19:50:29< igorko> Ivanovic: thanks
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20120820 19:56:33< Necrosporus> There's The Fall of Trent addon
20120820 19:56:49< Necrosporus> Which era's can it be used with?
20120820 19:57:07< Necrosporus> Except Bob's RPG era which is meant to be used
20120820 20:03:02< lipkab> Necrosporus: Trial and error is the best advisor here, I think :P
20120820 20:05:28< Necrosporus> Which eras are available without addons?
20120820 20:05:39< Necrosporus> Where can I read info on other eras?
20120820 20:05:49< Necrosporus> I guess, default is just 6 factions
20120820 20:06:08< Necrosporus> Elves, dwarwes, drakes, humans, undead and orks
20120820 20:06:28< Necrosporus> but there are few others, right?
20120820 20:06:32< lipkab> Yes.
20120820 20:06:46< lipkab> But there're only two eras in mainline.
20120820 20:06:53< lipkab> All others are add-ons.
20120820 20:06:58< redcheckers> hmmn. is bobs rpg era the one where i have to choose all those choices like clubfoot or dimwitted or whatever?
20120820 20:07:03< Necrosporus> Ok, age of heroes?
20120820 20:07:08< Necrosporus> yes
20120820 20:07:14< redcheckers> age of heroes is fun... so is default... and classic.
20120820 20:07:21< redcheckers> i miss having saurians and drakes on seperate teams, ^_^
20120820 20:07:28< Necrosporus> redcheckers, it's last one
20120820 20:07:36< Necrosporus> What's age of heroes for?
20120820 20:07:47< lipkab> For fun.
20120820 20:07:50< redcheckers> necrosporus you can buy units that are more advanced..
20120820 20:08:04< redcheckers> so it makes villages slightly more important, but some players till try to rush
20120820 20:08:43< lipkab> Necrosporus: AoH is unbalanced and stuff, so it's not really suitable for *really serious* PvP.
20120820 20:09:06< lipkab> But it might be good enough for MP campaigns.
20120820 20:10:34< Necrosporus> So it's good when you want the leader to be 3rd lvl and summon 2lvls?
20120820 20:11:00< Necrosporus> lipkab, but it's more or less fit to every scenario and map where default fits, right?
20120820 20:11:52< lipkab> Necrosporus: Yes. It's like default, you can just recruit lvl2-s, too.
20120820 20:13:48< redcheckers> lipkab i never found AoH to be unbalanced. there are just rock-paper-scissors like matchups, ie drakes vs undead
20120820 20:14:45< Necrosporus> And who's going to win?
20120820 20:14:50< Necrosporus> drakes or undead?
20120820 20:15:14< lipkab> redcheckers: I never play with AoH, so I don't have first-hand experiences with it, but all the good players say that it's unbalanced.
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20120820 20:18:37< zookeeper> you don't need to be a good player to know that AoH is very unbalanced :p
20120820 20:19:41< zookeeper> telling which match-ups are unbalanced and which way might be more difficult though
20120820 20:20:42< Necrosporus> If AoH is not balanced than default era is not balanced too
20120820 20:20:44< Necrosporus> Why? 
20120820 20:20:49< Necrosporus> or not?
20120820 20:21:00< Necrosporus> I mean, if units are all the same
20120820 20:21:06< Necrosporus> just lvl2
20120820 20:22:37< Necrosporus> but maybe default is unbalanced in subtle way which is only possible to see with large map and lots of gold where you can advance a lot of units
20120820 20:23:04< Necrosporus> or there's some needed xp compensation for balance?
20120820 20:23:34< lipkab> Level 2 units aren't "little stronger level 1s".
20120820 20:23:35< Necrosporus> zookeeper, can you say what's the main things making AoH unbalanced?
20120820 20:23:51< Necrosporus> For most units they are
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20120820 20:24:04< Necrosporus> but for some it get additional features
20120820 20:24:23< lipkab> They can earn new abilities and stuff, which may break balance in a thousand ways.
20120820 20:24:25< Necrosporus> like white mage gets arcane attack and healing
20120820 20:24:41< Necrosporus> But... you can get lvl2 in default era too
20120820 20:24:51< Necrosporus> So it must be already broken, right?
20120820 20:25:04< Necrosporus> just in more subtle way
20120820 20:25:29< Necrosporus> Which can be seen when players got a chance to advance more than few units
20120820 20:26:03< lipkab> That's an interesting point.
20120820 20:26:23< lipkab> However, factions aren't just "balanced" in general.
20120820 20:26:57< lipkab> They're only balanced in certain setups.
20120820 20:27:18< lipkab> I.e. default maps, standard gold settings and such.
20120820 20:28:05< lipkab> The default era wouldn't be balanced in a map filled with water or of very large scale.
20120820 20:28:22< Necrosporus> so default era + default map should give every side equal probability to win if it's played by lots of randomly choosen players?
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20120820 20:28:40< lipkab> Ideally, yes.
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20120820 20:29:03< Necrosporus> How is it know default era is balanced?
20120820 20:29:11< Necrosporus> * known
20120820 20:29:22< Necrosporus> statistics?
20120820 20:29:38< Necrosporus> Can I see that statistics somewhere?
20120820 20:29:47< lipkab> It can be never known for sure...
20120820 20:29:53< Necrosporus> I wonder which faction players choose the most
20120820 20:30:14< lipkab> There aren't any statistics on that, I'm afraid.
20120820 20:30:26< Necrosporus> I guess, orks and dwarves are used less than humans and elves
20120820 20:30:49< lipkab> But you can go through all the replays on replays.wesnoth.org and count for yourself :P
20120820 20:31:08< Necrosporus> But I don't know where is random and where is choosen sides
20120820 20:31:18< Necrosporus> I prefer to always pick undead
20120820 20:31:39< Necrosporus> not because I can't play other factions...
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20120820 22:46:25< notdan> Hi
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