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20120827 20:10:02< Necrosporus> http://storage7.static.itmages.ru/i/12/0827/h_1346090778_4072014_51d0e8f0ee.jpeg
20120827 20:10:15< Necrosporus> how do you like this dragonfly animation?
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20120827 20:18:19< Octalot> Necrosporus: to my eyes the wings are rotating rather than flapping.  It's as if they're on an axel that goes across the body (like a car axel does).
20120827 20:20:30< Necrosporus> axis? 
20120827 20:20:36< Necrosporus> what's axel? 
20120827 20:21:59< Octalot> Sorry, axle.
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20120827 20:22:14< Octalot> Bit of a car that the wheels are attached to
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20120827 20:34:59< Crendgrim> Necrosporus: the dragonfly itself should move as well. It's too static.
20120827 20:35:21< celticminstrel> WML documentation needs lots of work. :|
20120827 20:35:44< Necrosporus> But horizontal movement is automatically done by wesnoth itself
20120827 20:36:07< Necrosporus> http://storage1.static.itmages.ru/i/12/0827/h_1346092086_8155344_1f8e0bb3cc.jpeg worse or better?
20120827 20:36:24< Crendgrim> Necrosporus: no.
20120827 20:36:46< Necrosporus> What no?
20120827 20:36:57< Crendgrim> the movement is not done automatically..
20120827 20:37:10< celticminstrel> It is...
20120827 20:37:21< Crendgrim> well, how does it fit with the shadow then?
20120827 20:37:36< celticminstrel> But, I don't think horizontal movement is what Crendgrim is talking about.
20120827 20:37:48< Crendgrim> ah, right.
20120827 20:37:51< celticminstrel> I think the idea was more that it should bob up and down a few pixels.
20120827 20:38:00< Crendgrim> Indeed. Sorry.
20120827 20:38:20< Crendgrim> and thanks for the explanation ;)
20120827 20:38:21< celticminstrel> Which should be easily done as long as your shadow is on a separate layer/ :)
20120827 20:38:23< celticminstrel> ^.
20120827 20:45:43< celticminstrel> I wonder if it's a good idea for each ActionWML tag to have its own page...
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20120827 20:46:17< Necrosporus> It depends on how much info there is for each tag
20120827 20:46:29< Necrosporus> If just a paragraph, than probably it is not
20120827 20:46:36< celticminstrel> Some of the tags only have two lines currently. Others have quite a bit more.
20120827 20:46:54< celticminstrel> A few even have their own dedicated sections on the InterfaceActions page.
20120827 20:47:07< Necrosporus> Maybe only ones with a lot info should go separate?
20120827 20:47:34< celticminstrel> [message] and [objectives] have a lot of info.
20120827 20:47:53< celticminstrel> [set_menu_item] has a fair amount, though not as much as those two...
20120827 20:48:18< celticminstrel> More annoying though is how they're not in alphabetical order.
20120827 20:48:49< celticminstrel> And some of the links in the convenient side box just link to the page, not to the appropriate section on the page.
20120827 20:49:55< celticminstrel> Um… is {SET_IMAGE} something that used to exist but no longer does?
20120827 20:50:05< Crendgrim> celticminstrel: yeah, I always wanted to order them alphabetically, but never got around to do so
20120827 20:50:18< Crendgrim> and, if you find tags in the sidebar linking to the wrong place, feel free to correct them :)
20120827 20:50:30< celticminstrel> Need to create an account first. Sigh.
20120827 20:50:41< Crendgrim> do you really?
20120827 20:51:04< celticminstrel> Just double-checkied. Yes I do.
20120827 20:51:21< celticminstrel> (Added ?action=edit to the end of a URL, since there are no edit buttons.)
20120827 20:51:50< Crendgrim> okay, good to know
20120827 20:52:07< celticminstrel> Good to know?
20120827 20:53:05< Crendgrim> that you can't edit anonymously
20120827 21:04:54< celticminstrel> Heh, there's no Wesnoth logo on the wiki for the Monobook skin.
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20120827 21:13:45< celticminstrel> Hm. Alphabetizing the wiki would mean that related actions are no longer grouped together. I'm not sure which is better...
20120827 21:14:15< celticminstrel> (For example, [petrify] and [unpetrify] are currently together, but alphabetization would separate them quite a lot.)
20120827 21:15:45< celticminstrel> I really don't like UnitTypeWML's table, largely because it means it's pushed down past the bottom of the WML tags sidebox.
20120827 21:17:58< celticminstrel> Side note: why is the [units] tag in unts.cfg a [+units]?
20120827 21:18:02< celticminstrel> ^units.cfg
20120827 21:19:10< celticminstrel> Is the [trait] tag described somewhere?
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20120827 21:20:23< celticminstrel> It seems like it's not. UnitTypeWML doesn't even mention it, the sidebox and SingleUnitWML direct you to UnitsWML, and UnitsWML just mentions it without describing it.
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20120827 21:23:18< celticminstrel> Anyone know?
20120827 21:23:41< celticminstrel> I thought I saw it somewhere...
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20120827 21:24:14< celticminstrel> …oh, it's described under [race]. Okay then.
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20120827 21:36:23< celticminstrel> Better? http://wiki.wesnoth.org/UnitsWML
20120827 21:42:34< Crendgrim> celticminstrel: why didn't you re-arrange it alphabetically?
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20120827 21:42:50< celticminstrel> Maybe because there are only four tags?
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20120827 21:43:00< celticminstrel> I could do it anyway though.
20120827 21:43:13< Crendgrim> well, what was the reason why you arranged it this way?
20120827 21:43:39< celticminstrel> Mainly so that a) the description of [trait] is a bit easier to find and b) it's possible to link to a subsection for each tag.
20120827 21:45:12< Crendgrim> okay
20120827 21:45:40< celticminstrel> Anyway for actions I was having second thoughts about alphabetization.
20120827 21:45:57< celticminstrel> Currently they're sort of vaguely grouped into sets of related actions.
20120827 21:46:08< celticminstrel> I say vaguely because there are several exceptions.
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20120827 21:47:04< celticminstrel> I think some people adding tags tried for an alphabetic approach while others tried to put the tag near related tags, so it's kinda messy.
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20120827 21:48:44< celticminstrel> (As for why they're in that order on UnitsWML, it's simply because I didn't change the order that was already there.)
20120827 21:51:26< celticminstrel> Any objections to replacing the huge table here with a bulleted list? http://wiki.wesnoth.org/UnitTypeWML
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20120827 22:06:52< Necrosporus> http://storage8.static.itmages.ru/i/12/0828/h_1346097943_2457687_9ae0048feb.jpeg
20120827 22:12:21< celticminstrel> Uhh… an animated jpeg? What?
20120827 22:12:29< celticminstrel> Anyway, it looks good to me.
20120827 22:12:42< celticminstrel> Though I'm wondering if it's bobbing a little too slowly...
20120827 22:15:49< zookeeper> why save a gif as a .jpeg? :s
20120827 22:16:12< celticminstrel> Since when is jpeg even animatable?
20120827 22:16:16< shadowm> It's effectively a GIF.
20120827 22:16:22< celticminstrel> Is it possible it's really a gif with the wrong extension?
20120827 22:16:25< shadowm> Yes.
20120827 22:16:51< sur_nhm> I think that it either bobs too slowly (it looks choppy IMO) or its bobbing is too extreme.
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20120827 22:18:00< Necrosporus> http://storage6.static.itmages.ru/i/12/0828/h_1346098526_6894251_c31ce33c6a.jpeg
20120827 22:18:28< Necrosporus> celticminstrel, zookeeper, it's this image hosting, it was gif before uploading
20120827 22:18:34< celticminstrel> Ah.
20120827 22:18:35-!- shadowm changed the topic of #wesnoth to: Wesnoth User Channel | http://www.wesnoth.org/ | Social channel: #wesnoth-offtopic | Latest stable version: 1.10.4 | Latest development version: 1.11.0 | Public IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20120827 22:18:48< Necrosporus> Is it now bobbing better?
20120827 22:18:53< celticminstrel> …huh? Oh, wait, new release?
20120827 22:19:17< Necrosporus> It's four days since the new release
20120827 22:19:26< celticminstrel> What changed in the topic?
20120827 22:19:30< Necrosporus> I don't know why were they waiting for mac version
20120827 22:19:33< shadowm> 16:18:34 -!- Irssi: Topic: -: Latest stable version: 1.10.3
20120827 22:19:33< shadowm> 16:18:34 -!- Irssi: Topic: +: Latest stable version: 1.10.4 | Latest development version: 1.11.0
20120827 22:19:55< celticminstrel> Uh… why would they not wait for the version for a major platform? :P
20120827 22:19:57< shadowm> Necrosporus: Because the Mac OS X package is part of the official release process.
20120827 22:20:05< shadowm> That is, unlike some years ago.
20120827 22:20:06< janebot> Twitter: @Wesnoth: Wesnoth 1.10.4 (stable) and 1.11.0 (development) released! http://t.co/MvM1MMxW http://t.co/2Yxsi9m1 [ Aug-27-2012 20:15 ] [ http://tinyurl.com/8fgdyyj ]
20120827 22:20:30< celticminstrel> Wait, 1.11 was previously not considered "released" but now is?
20120827 22:20:30< Necrosporus> But I would make release message as soon as there's ready source tarballs
20120827 22:20:42< Necrosporus> Yeah, it was SVN
20120827 22:20:49< Necrosporus> now it's development release
20120827 22:20:55< celticminstrel> Is that like a release candidate?
20120827 22:20:56< Necrosporus> Though it's probably not stable
20120827 22:21:10< shadowm> celticminstrel: You weren't around before 1.10, right?
20120827 22:21:13< Necrosporus> I don't think so
20120827 22:21:34< Necrosporus> There are two types of major versions, odd and even
20120827 22:21:38< shadowm> Development releases are development releases with partial progress on the next stable version.
20120827 22:22:00< shadowm> At some point they are feature-frozen and that's when they start being labeled as betas for the next stable version.
20120827 22:22:12< celticminstrel> Right.
20120827 22:22:12< fendrin_> celticminstrel: No, a release candidate is one of the last development releases, one that is ready to go stable. Since this is the first of the new development releases, it is far away from being a release candidate. 
20120827 22:22:19< shadowm> In the last opportunity the first beta came around 1.9.10 or so.
20120827 22:22:29< Necrosporus> Even major versions are stable, it is compatible within same major number (Thus 1.10.4 user can play with 1.10.0 user on same server)
20120827 22:22:36< shadowm> The Release Candidate stage begins after a few betas.
20120827 22:23:06< celticminstrel> So probably not quite ready for me to port my campaign to 1.11. Which is fine with me, since I want it to be more polished before then.
20120827 22:23:17< shadowm> But seriously, read the announcement. We do need your help.
20120827 22:23:26< celticminstrel> With what, testing and stuff?
20120827 22:23:30< shadowm> Yep.
20120827 22:23:33< Necrosporus> Odd major versions are development and possibly not compatible within line, it can be less stable and contain incomplete translations
20120827 22:23:44< shadowm> Development releases don't get stable just with us dumping our crap on their source code.
20120827 22:26:11< celticminstrel> Heh.
20120827 22:37:05< celticminstrel> Hm, 1.10.4 doesn't seem to have fixed the issue with labels/chat.
20120827 22:37:17< celticminstrel> Which I bet is a Mac-only issue.
20120827 22:37:43< celticminstrel> Of course, I should download it to check...
20120827 22:37:45< shadowm> What issue? Where's the bug report?
20120827 22:37:52< celticminstrel> Never made one. <_<
20120827 22:38:10< shadowm> That explains why I (and presumably most other developers) haven't heard of it before.
20120827 22:38:44< celticminstrel> When you invoke label via the default keyboard shortcut (option-L) the field has a character already inserted in it (presumably the one normally typed by option-L) which is invisible until you type another character.
20120827 22:38:52< celticminstrel> Do I need an account to post bug reports?
20120827 22:39:05< celticminstrel> Same happens with chat (option-M).
20120827 22:39:09< shadowm> No, but I advise you do add your email address if you want to be notified of updates.
20120827 22:39:20< celticminstrel> How public is the email?
20120827 22:40:28< shadowm> Only to logged in users, apparently
20120827 22:40:37< celticminstrel> Good enough.
20120827 22:40:43< shadowm> Yeah, it says "this information is not available to anonymous users".
20120827 22:40:46< celticminstrel> Might as well include it then.
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20120827 22:41:45< celticminstrel> (Wait, is alt-M the default chat shortcut?)
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20120827 22:42:22< celticminstrel> (For "Speak to All".)
20120827 22:42:34< celticminstrel> (Because I know I changed at least one of those.)
20120827 22:42:53< shadowm> You said "when you invoke label" above, so I assumed you meant the Set Label option, but I couldn't reproduce here after assigning it a shortcut that can be translated to a character, like Shift+l.
20120827 22:43:03< celticminstrel> On Mac?
20120827 22:43:18< shadowm> Linux (X11).
20120827 22:43:25< celticminstrel> Okay.
20120827 22:43:28< shadowm> The Speak action's default here is 'm'.
20120827 22:43:44< shadowm> Speak to All is Alt+m, and Speak to Ally is Ctrl+m.
20120827 22:43:52< shadowm> I'm guessing you meant one of the latter two.
20120827 22:43:53< celticminstrel> Okay.
20120827 22:43:55< celticminstrel> Yes.
20120827 22:44:26< celticminstrel> The last is the one I changed (to Ctrl-M since it defaults to Cmd-M on Mac which invokes Minimize instead of chat).
20120827 22:44:41< shadowm> It could well be Mac-specific. From what I gather SDL has had a lot of difficulties with newer versions of the Mac OS X platform.
20120827 22:45:09< celticminstrel> I should download 1.10.4 to make sure it's not fixed.
20120827 22:45:14< shadowm> You might want to file a separate bug report about the default shortcut conflicting with your platform too.
20120827 22:45:23< celticminstrel> Sure.
20120827 22:45:24< shadowm> Although it should really be a feature request.
20120827 22:45:40< shadowm> You can specify that in the form before submitting.
20120827 22:45:47< celticminstrel> Yeah.
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20120827 22:55:58< celticminstrel> Oh, I see that other labels bug (drawn over chat) is reported.
20120827 23:01:34< Necrosporus> http://storage1.static.itmages.ru/i/12/0828/h_1346101166_3375008_8f52d3932e.png Shessinsaan talking after it killed a fire dragon
20120827 23:06:11< celticminstrel> Tried a few things and discovered some stuff about that bug.
20120827 23:07:14< celticminstrel> http://gna.org/bugs/index.php?20103
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20120827 23:16:08< celticminstrel> http://gna.org/bugs/index.php?20104
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20120827 23:27:59< Necrosporus> celticminstrel, why not to file a bug to macos bugtracker
20120827 23:28:15< Necrosporus> To make them change default shortcut to cmd-option-m
20120827 23:28:33< Necrosporus> Since cmd-m interferes with Battle for Wesnoth shortcut
20120827 23:28:56< Necrosporus> and possibly with shortcuts of other popular applications, since it's just 2 key
20120827 23:31:14< celticminstrel> Um what.
20120827 23:31:29< celticminstrel> Are you suggesting filing a bug with Apple?
20120827 23:34:32< celticminstrel> I'm pretty sure that Wesnoth can disable Cmd-M for Minimize just for Wesnoth, so there's no need to go to Apple for something like that.
20120827 23:34:49< celticminstrel> It's in the Window menu, which is defined by Wesnoth.
20120827 23:34:56< celticminstrel> ^Wesnoth's nib file.
20120827 23:47:08< celticminstrel> Random query: can Wesnoth use uncompiled .po files for in-game translations, or is compiling them to .om mandatory?
20120827 23:47:11< celticminstrel> ^.mo
20120827 23:48:36< shadowm> Depends on whether gettext can, and I think it can't.
20120827 23:55:05< Necrosporus> seem like it can't
20120827 23:55:29< Necrosporus> Also mo file was seemed to be required to be named for textdomain
20120827 23:55:44< celticminstrel> I thought it was named for the language...
20120827 23:56:12< Necrosporus> translations/ru/LC_MESSAGES/wesnoth-Age_of_Tentacles.mo
20120827 23:56:15< Necrosporus> For my addon
20120827 23:56:21< celticminstrel> Ah okay.
20120827 23:56:29< Necrosporus> Language is there too
20120827 23:56:29< celticminstrel> How do you generate the mo?
20120827 23:56:45< celticminstrel> (Confusion is probably based on the po being named for the language.)
20120827 23:56:57< Necrosporus> msgfmt
20120827 23:57:04< celticminstrel> 'kay
20120827 23:57:07< Necrosporus> I'm not sure, I didn't text that
20120827 23:57:15< Necrosporus> Maybe you can name it differently
20120827 23:57:23< Necrosporus> But my variant is working
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