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20120901 00:07:54< CIA-104> ivanovic * r55203 /trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): updated French translation
20120901 00:07:54< CIA-104> ivanovic * r55204 /branches/1.10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): updated French translation
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20120901 00:15:35< Espreon> Ivanovic: Perhaps we should run another pot-update on trunk very very soon...
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20120901 00:50:06< Ivanovic> all the string issues are fixed?
20120901 00:50:09< Ivanovic> then yes, should do so soon
20120901 00:50:18< Ivanovic> and probably port over the 1.10.x strings (again)
20120901 00:50:33< Espreon> I guess I'll run a pot-update and see.
20120901 00:50:42< Espreon> ... since I'm too lazy to read source code.
20120901 00:51:22< Ivanovic> i guess i'll just head off to bed instead
20120901 00:51:27< Ivanovic> n8
20120901 00:51:39< Espreon> Good night.
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20120901 01:11:47< Espreon> Ivanovic: Nope. Not ready at all.
20120901 01:11:58< Espreon> Now a lot of crap from wesnoth goes in wesnoth-editor.
20120901 01:11:59< Espreon> fendrin: ^
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20120901 01:19:12< fendrin> Espreon: hi
20120901 01:19:59< Espreon> Hello.
20120901 01:20:07< Espreon> fendrin: Would you please investigate this?
20120901 01:20:43< fendrin> I don't know how.
20120901 01:30:20< fendrin> Espreon: I thought some wesnoth-editor stuff went into wesnoth and I believed to have fixed that. 
20120901 01:32:46< Espreon> Sigh...
20120901 01:41:16< fendrin> Espreon: Don't become exasperated, the output you gave me last time was quite useful. Can you give me such a pastebin again, please?
20120901 01:43:17< fendrin> Espreon: Or just teach me how I can produce the output myself.
20120901 01:44:10< Espreon> Sure.
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20120901 01:45:33< Espreon> fendrin: I'm eternally exasperated.
20120901 01:45:36< Espreon> fendrin: http://pastebin.com/Hp7KCSfz
20120901 01:45:58< Espreon> To get the output yourself, just run "make pot-update" and use svn diff on po/wesnoth-editor/wesnoth-editor.pot
20120901 01:48:03< fendrin> Ah, okay. Easier than expected.
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20120901 01:51:51< fendrin> Espreon: Let's take src/actions/attack.cpp. This file does not contain a define textdomain at all. I wonder why it is now part of the editor. I can't remember to have done anything to that file lately and this file is new.
20120901 01:52:36< fendrin> Espreon: I guess jamit forgot to include it when he split the actions file. 
20120901 01:53:28< fendrin> Espreon: I wonder why files with no textdomain can get into the editor one.
20120901 01:55:43< Espreon> Note to self: expand the gettext for developers and force all new developers to read it.
20120901 01:55:50< fendrin> Espreon: I need to leave know but we can investigate it together later. I don't mind to fix the stuff can't hurt to learn about the translation stuff.
20120901 01:55:57< fendrin> s/know/now
20120901 01:56:10< Espreon> All right.
20120901 01:56:18< Espreon> I think I'll play around with it.
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20120901 02:03:48< Espreon> Ivanovic: OK, yeah. It looks far worse than I thought.
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20120901 02:05:01< Espreon> Ivanovic: ... or maybe the output of my pot-update runs differ from yours...
20120901 02:05:07< Espreon> ... for some reason.
20120901 02:05:09< Espreon> ... blegh.
20120901 02:05:21< Espreon> I'll just dismiss it as voodoo and run away for now.
20120901 02:08:32< Espreon> ... Yeah, it's probably some weird combination of things.
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20120901 02:20:15< Espreon> ... yeah... I don't understand this shit.
20120901 02:20:28< Espreon> ... how this even happened.
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20120901 02:38:49< jamit> Espreon: Where is the gettext documentation for developers? When I looked for translation info, all I found was info for translators and for UMC creators.
20120901 02:39:27< Espreon> Sadly, this is all there is we have on the wiki: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/GettextForWesnothDevelopers
20120901 02:39:44< Espreon> You could look at gettext's documentation at Gnu.org
20120901 02:41:23< jamit> OK, I see one thing that makes me think the page is seriously outdated: "check cvs diff and commit"
20120901 02:42:27< Espreon> It is seriously outdated.
20120901 02:42:45< Espreon> The only part of that page that's up-to-date is that section I added awhile ago.
20120901 02:42:55< jamit> Well, I did look through actions.cpp for some indication of the textdomain, but I didn't see it, so the split files did not get a textdomain definition. So yeah, I easily could have messed that part up.
20120901 02:42:58< Espreon> ... the "For i18n and Translation Managers" section.
20120901 02:44:35< jamit> If someone could point out where/how the textdomains are supposed to be defined, I could take a swing at bringing the actions directory in line.
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20120901 03:04:57< shadowm> jamit: #define GETTEXT_DOMAIN "wesnoth-whatever" early on.
20120901 03:05:09< shadowm> That seems to be how it's done in existing cases.
20120901 03:05:36< shadowm> Early at the beginning of every relevant .cpp file with translatable strings, I mean.
20120901 03:07:59< jamit> That line did not exist in actions.cpp before the split. ?
20120901 03:08:13< shadowm> The default textdomain is wesnoth, I believe.
20120901 03:08:59< jamit> Hmm... that seems to be the problem. Somehow the default textdomain seems to now be wesnoth-editor.
20120901 03:10:22< shadowm> The CMakeLists.txt in po/ says something completely different:
20120901 03:10:23< shadowm> # If a source file has not GETTEXT_DOMAIN it belongs to this domain.
20120901 03:10:23< shadowm> set(DEFAULT_DOMAIN wesnoth)
20120901 03:10:54< jamit> It is strange.
20120901 03:12:01< shadowm> I can't find any erroneous appearances of wesnoth-editor in src/ either.
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20120901 03:12:38< jamit> Someone said something about voodoo.... :)
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20120901 03:31:57< CIA-103> jamit * r55205 /trunk/src/actions/ (move.cpp attack.cpp vision.cpp vision.hpp): 
20120901 03:31:57< CIA-103> Add sighted events for sighting of the side whose turn it is.
20120901 03:31:57< CIA-103> (e.g. sighting the moving unit by enemies)
20120901 03:31:57< CIA-103> There are still cases that are completely missing sighted events;
20120901 03:31:57< CIA-103> this just updates the cases I've dealt with so far.
20120901 03:34:53< shadowm> I thought the long-term plan was to eliminate sighted events entirely.
20120901 03:35:07< jamit> I can make them work.
20120901 03:36:01< jamit> Besides, making them work means also locating any places where fog/shroud might be not updated correctly.
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20120901 05:21:34< CIA-103> jamit * r55206 /trunk/src/ (font.cpp font.hpp): Quiet those "?font::SIZE_*? defined but not used" warnings from font.hpp.
20120901 05:22:09< mattsc> boucman (for whenever you are back): I am done with a first functioning, albeit still somewhat simple Micro AI (healer support), complete with [micro_ai] tag for configuration in WML
20120901 05:23:34< mattsc> It currently requires the inclusion of two macros, one in _main.cfg and one in the [side] tag, but it is possible to get rid of both of those eventually.
20120901 05:24:01< mattsc> Then only the [micro_ai] tag will be required and will take care of adding/deleting and configuring all in one.
20120901 05:24:33< mattsc> I'd like to discuss this with you (and anybody else interested) before putting it onto the add-ons server.
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20120901 17:52:32< CIA-106> jamit * r55207 /trunk/src/actions/create.cpp: 
20120901 17:52:32< CIA-106> Adjust some timings in place_recruit().
20120901 17:52:32< CIA-106> * Move bookkeeping before WML events.
20120901 17:52:32< CIA-106> * Move village capturing (and its WML event) after the recruitment animation.
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20120901 18:37:29< Espreon> Ivanovic: Hmm, it's probably something exclusive (let's hope) to my set up since the same thing happens with 1.10.
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20120901 18:44:51< Ivanovic> uhm, okay
20120901 18:46:04< Espreon> I guess I'll have to bug mordante about it.
20120901 18:46:18< Espreon> ... 'cause this sucks.
20120901 18:53:05< Espreon> Ivanovic: Well, at least all the strings that got removed from wesnoth-editor should go back now.
20120901 18:53:24< Ivanovic> Espreon: please check to be 100% sure
20120901 18:53:30< Ivanovic> uploading the files right now
20120901 18:53:57< CIA-106> ivanovic * r55208 /trunk/ (219 files in 27 dirs): 
20120901 18:53:57< CIA-106> pot-update (fixing string issues with the editor/main domain)
20120901 18:53:57< CIA-106> regenerated doc files
20120901 18:54:47< Espreon> All right.
20120901 18:54:57< Ivanovic> it's 84 strings now
20120901 19:00:52< Espreon> Ivanovic: Yeah, it looks like everything's fine now.
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20120901 19:11:32< CIA-106> jamit * r55209 /trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Make recruitment/recalling more efficient in some places and more robust overall.
20120901 19:11:48< Ivanovic> Espreon: great!
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20120901 20:05:24< zookeeper> Alarantalara1, "It has been modified for the Quenoth elves in Under the Burning Suns." <- is that only for providing vision over water/chasm, or something else too?
20120901 20:05:40< Alarantalara1> Just for vision over water
20120901 20:05:54< zookeeper> all right
20120901 20:06:25< Alarantalara1> There was a large section in scenario 6b that wanted vision over the lake
20120901 20:06:54< Alarantalara1> but was commented out as it didn't work properly, and this seemed an ideal solution
20120901 20:08:44< zookeeper> yeah, it's probably ok
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20120901 20:22:34< CIA-106> jamit * r55210 /trunk/ (7 files in 4 dirs): 
20120901 20:22:35< CIA-106> Have teams pay for their recruits between the pre- and recruit events.
20120901 20:22:35< CIA-106> And similarly for recalls.
20120901 20:22:35< CIA-106> Fetaure request / bug #16711
20120901 20:23:42< jamit> zookeeper: ^
20120901 20:23:59< zookeeper> hmhmhm
20120901 20:24:08< zookeeper> when did they pay previously?
20120901 20:24:16< jamit> After both events
20120901 20:26:19< zookeeper> well... it could potentially break some recruit events, but it also kinda makes sense and can be useful, so whatever.
20120901 20:26:28< zookeeper> ^ that's what i typed before i realized it was _my_ FR :>
20120901 20:26:46< jamit> :)
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20120901 20:30:55< anonymissimus> jamit: in case you change some wml or lua mechanics during all your refactoring, pls document it in the "compatibility-breaking changes"-thread
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20120901 20:31:26< anonymissimus> wesbot: #bug16711
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20120901 20:31:33< anonymissimus> wesbot: bug16711
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20120901 20:31:38< anonymissimus> wesbot: bug 16711
20120901 20:31:39< wesbot> Bug #16711  Assigned to: J Tyne <jamit>  Status: Fixed  Priority: 4
20120901 20:31:39< wesbot> Summary: Decrement gold before firing recruit and recall events
20120901 20:31:39< wesbot> Original submission: Currently, the cost of the recruited or recalled unit is 
20120901 20:31:42< wesbot> deducted from the side's gold only after recruit and recall events have already 
20120901 20:31:45< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?16711
20120901 20:33:03< anonymissimus> jamit: yes, thats something that should be mentioned
20120901 20:33:07< jamit> anonymissimus: OK. Sometimes it's not clear if something is "compatibility-breaking", but I guess today's two changes could be.
20120901 20:33:50< jamit> The other change is that a recruit/recall event can prevent undoing that recruit/recall. Is that also compatibility-breaking?
20120901 20:35:12< Alarantalara1> jamit: maybe
20120901 20:35:39< Alarantalara1> in 1.10 recalls only prevented an undo if the map was revealed
20120901 20:36:25< jamit> Yes, and that could be problematic if someone wanted to change the game state in response to a recall. (Or to a recruit, but few recruits can be undone in the first place.)
20120901 20:36:45< anonymissimus> jamit: I wouldn't say so; that thread is for wml and lua authors to have a quick overview what needs to be checked when updating wml/lua
20120901 20:36:53< anonymissimus> not for players
20120901 20:38:21< anonymissimus> of course, if I change the gamestate in a recruit/recall event then I expect the engine to prevent undoing it anyway...if that wasn't the case, it was a bug
20120901 20:41:03< jamit> OK, the timing of paying the cost is in the compatibility-breaking topic.
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20120901 20:52:21< Alarantalara1> I'd say mention that recruit/recall does not automatically allow undo anymore. There may be some recruit actions out there that WML authors will want to include allow_undo because they do not modify the gamestate.
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20120901 21:00:20< Espreon> http://imagebin.org/226780 ... Uh-oh!
20120901 21:00:36 * Espreon wishes fendrin were here
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20120901 21:41:22< anonymissimus> Alarantalara: eh, unless I'm badly mistaken, allow_undo does nothing in a recruit/recall event
20120901 21:41:22< anonymissimus> thats only for moveto
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20120901 21:43:11< Alarantalara> Since in 1.10 you can modify the game state on recruit and still have undo allowed, if what jamit wrote about changing that makes undo no longer possible if an event is defined, then it should be possible to have undo still allowed if the WML author specifically requests it so that recruit/recall behave the same way as moveto
20120901 21:43:13< mattsc> Hey, stupid question: is a flying unit still supposed to flap its wings when petrified?
20120901 21:43:32< zookeeper> well, not supposed to, of course
20120901 21:43:54< mattsc> I guess I should file a bug report then?
20120901 21:50:29< jamit> anonymissimus: That's what the wiki used to say, but it was inaccurate. In 1.10, [allow_undo] works in moveto, capture (if a result of movement), and sighted (if a result of movement). In 1.11, it also works in the new enter/ext hex events.
20120901 21:51:32< jamit> One of todays changes made it so that [allow_undo] now also has a function in events that occur during recruitment and recalling (recruit, recall, prerecruit, prerecall, and capture).
20120901 21:55:26< anonymissimus> hm...and how is the wml author supposed to use allow_undo ? I always assumed it should be used only in case the event doesn't make "intrusive changes to the gamestate" but only carries some dialog for instance
20120901 21:55:51< jamit> That's still true.
20120901 21:57:37< jamit> One way to think about it is that in 1.10, there is effectively an assumed [allow_undo] in all recall (et al) events.
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20120901 22:49:05< Espreon> Lovely, the tooltips in the editor are also blank.
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20120901 23:38:15< Soliton> trunk looks pretty broken in regards to button text and stuff.
20120901 23:39:54< AI0867> anonymissimus: you can undo recruits if the units don't have random traits
20120901 23:40:22< anonymissimus> AI0867: I know
20120901 23:41:17< anonymissimus> the question rather is whether I can undo recruits if there's a recruit event
20120901 23:41:51< anonymissimus> and it's clear that if there are random traits I shouldn't be able to
20120901 23:43:32< AI0867> well, [allow_undo] stops events from clearing the undo stack
20120901 23:47:07< Espreon> Soliton: It's rather sad..
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20120901 23:51:25< Espreon> Wow...
20120901 23:51:36< Espreon> ... when I try to summon the preferences dialog, it explodes.
20120901 23:51:39 * Espreon blames jamit 
20120901 23:53:41< Espreon> http://pastebin.com/2P5sYG25
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20120901 23:57:52< shadowm> Crendgrim: Do you remember if you normally had access to email addresses in the forums?
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20120901 23:58:26< Crendgrim> shadowm: I don't think so, no
20120901 23:59:15< shadowm> Okay.
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