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20120902 00:14:31< shadowm> Gambit, Crendgrim go and make sure you don't have any less or extra powers in the forums.
20120902 00:14:53< shadowm> Calling you two in particular since you are representative examples of Developers and Forum Moderators group members.
20120902 00:15:00< shadowm> Respectively.
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20120902 00:18:59< Crendgrim> shadowm: seems to be fine as far as I can tell.
20120902 00:20:10< janebot> Wesnoth Forums | Developers’ Discussions • [STATUS] Forums back up! by shadowmaster [ 09-01-2012 22:12 ] [ http://r.wesnoth.org/p536754 ]
20120902 00:21:55< shadowm> Okay.
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20120902 00:59:14 * shadowm notices that Wesnoth 1.10 failed to notice that its previous connection to the stable server broke more than an hour ago.
20120902 01:08:07< Espreon> And here's a backtrace for the explosion I mentioned: http://pastebin.com/ZDMMDxWi
20120902 01:22:31< Espreon> jamit: Yeah, r55206 is the cause of both the problem I found in the editor and the explosion I talked about.
20120902 01:24:36< mjs-de> wesbot r55206
20120902 01:25:33< Espreon> wesbot: r55206
20120902 01:25:55< Espreon> ... no, that's not it either.
20120902 01:27:22< anonymissimus> wesbot: log 55206
20120902 01:27:24< wesbot> jamit * r55206 : Quiet those "‘font::SIZE_*’ defined but not used" warnings from font.hpp.
20120902 01:27:27< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=55206
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20120902 01:34:02< loonycyborg> shadowm: You mean it broke down when addon list is open?
20120902 01:34:15< shadowm> What did?
20120902 01:34:20< shadowm> Ah.
20120902 01:34:51< shadowm> loonycyborg: No, I mean I was idling in the primary 1.10 MP server's lobby when I disconnected, and even an hour afterwards Wesnoth still hadn't noticed that happened.
20120902 01:35:36< loonycyborg> Ah. So it's mp server.
20120902 01:35:47< shadowm> Yeah, I forgot to mention that.
20120902 01:36:47< loonycyborg> wesnothd is supposed to send pings and get rid of ghost players.
20120902 01:37:01< loonycyborg> But I guess client doesn't send its own pings.
20120902 01:37:18< loonycyborg> So the fact that it got disconnected was lost on it :P
20120902 01:40:24< AI0867> there's an option for that, I believe
20120902 01:44:30< shadowm> I have set Ping Timeout to zero, so that's probably the cause.
20120902 01:46:37< AI0867> I believe there was a problem with some dialogs being modal enough to block network communication or something
20120902 01:46:41< AI0867> not sure
20120902 01:49:00< loonycyborg> preferences dialog in trunk seems kinda busted..
20120902 01:49:52-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 189 bugs, 339 feature requests, 18 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20120902 02:28:11< Espreon> loonycyborg: Indeed.
20120902 02:28:19< Espreon> ... here, it explodes.
20120902 02:28:27< Espreon> ... but I already said that.
20120902 02:30:25< loonycyborg> I don't get a segfault, only broken text.
20120902 02:31:15< Espreon> Ah.
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20120902 05:17:44< Espreon> wesbot: update
20120902 05:17:52< Espreon> ... Damn it... what was it?
20120902 05:18:01< shadowm> wesbot: topic
20120902 05:18:03< wesbot> shadowm: Don't be impatient, wait until something changes...  *tsk*
20120902 05:18:05< Espreon> Ah.
20120902 05:18:08 * Espreon stabs wesbot
20120902 05:18:12< shadowm> Yeah Espreon, don't be impatient
20120902 05:18:16< shadowm> don't hurt the bot either.
20120902 05:18:24< Espreon> Fine.
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20120902 06:20:02< Espreon> wesbot: topic
20120902 06:20:05< wesbot> Espreon: Don't be impatient, wait until something changes...  *tsk*
20120902 06:23:32< shadowm> Espreon, you filed a private bug.
20120902 06:23:49< shadowm> wesbot can't possibly see or know about its existence since it simply fetches Gna.org's page.
20120902 06:24:05< shadowm> Anonymously.
20120902 06:24:10< Espreon> 'K.
20120902 06:24:44< Espreon> Well, whatever. Enjoy the new bug report, people.
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20120902 12:54:31< jamit> Espreon: I have no problem bringing up the preferences window. Is there something else I need to do to make it explode?
20120902 12:54:54< jamit> Not that I will be able to get to it for a few hours at least.....
20120902 12:56:11< Soliton> do you have proper button text in the load dialog for example?
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20120902 12:56:42< Soliton> well, or the preferences dialog.. i guess you do then.
20120902 12:57:20< loonycyborg> That really sounds like a memory corruption :P
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20120902 14:41:07< CIA-106> zookeeper * r55211 /trunk/data/core/images/misc/ (flag-red.png flag-red2.png): Slight desaturation of the current rest marker flags.
20120902 14:51:33< CIA-106> zookeeper * r55212 /trunk/data/core/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Slight updates to the new battle journey marker and animation.
20120902 14:51:33< CIA-106> zookeeper * r55213 /trunk/data/core/images/misc/flag-white.png: Update to the old rest flag journey marker.
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20120902 15:26:51< CIA-106> jamit * r55214 /trunk/src/actions/create.cpp: A few tweaks to the animating done by place_recruit().
20120902 15:28:36< CIA-106> jamit * r55215 /trunk/data/scenario-movethrough.cfg: Removing a doubled #textdomain line and converting tabs to spaces.
20120902 15:39:45< jamit> anonymissimus: Regarding being able to undo gamestate-changing events in a recall event: a relatively simple test case would be to define a recall event that gives gold to the recaller. Make it first_time_only=no, and you can get unlimited gold by recalling and undoing the recall (in 1.10).
20120902 15:40:27< jamit> I think I've seen this type of event suggested recently in the forums, but a forum search turned up an older topic: http://forum.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=24194
20120902 15:41:20< jamit> No one in that topic thought about the ability to undo, though.
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20120902 17:04:41< CIA-106> jamit * r55216 /trunk/src/ (game_events.cpp game_events.hpp): Define a null entity_location for use as a default parameter.
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20120902 17:38:28< Espreon> jamit: All I have to do is try to open it from the titlescreen.
20120902 17:40:18< Espreon> jamit: And if you don't want to fish through backlog, remember that the revision in question also caused this: http://imagebin.org/226780
20120902 17:40:47< Espreon> jamit: http://pastebin.com/2P5sYG25 ... http://pastebin.com/ZDMMDxWi
20120902 17:41:43< jamit> I checked the editor as well, and did not see anything wrong there.
20120902 17:43:03< jamit> The thing is, r55206 should not make any change to functionality. All I did was change how things get linked and how some things might get optimized by the compiler. Once the compiled and linked, the functionality should be exactly the same.
20120902 17:43:28< jamit> * Sorry, stray "the" there.
20120902 17:43:30< Espreon> Well, something wrong happened.
20120902 17:43:49< Espreon> ... I did revert the revision in question and recompile... and everything was fixed.
20120902 17:45:29< jamit> How widespread is the problem? Anyone else out there using at least r55206? Can you call up the preferences window from the title screen?
20120902 17:45:31< Espreon> jamit: loonycyborg said that the text in the preferences dialog was distorted.
20120902 17:46:25< jamit> Yeah, I saw that statement. But again, I am not seeing it when I try it. All the text is fine for me.
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20120902 18:01:46< loonycyborg> Reverting r55206 fixes font corruption for me.
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20120902 18:08:07< Necrosporus> Ayne, hello
20120902 18:08:18< Necrosporus> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/MultiHexTutorial
20120902 18:08:30< Necrosporus> Where can I find pictures from this tutorial?
20120902 18:08:44< Necrosporus> I haven't got how do I make multihex textures without pictures
20120902 18:09:11< Necrosporus> I guess, you are a terrain developer
20120902 18:09:53< Necrosporus> I want to put an animated volcano on my map, but that macros used for windmill seem quite cryptic for me
20120902 18:09:57< loonycyborg> jamit: Most likely something tries to use SIZE_FOO before it was initialized.
20120902 18:10:16< jamit> I was just thinking something like that...
20120902 18:10:51< Necrosporus> Way too many levels of macros
20120902 18:11:15< zookeeper> Necrosporus, ayne isn't ayin
20120902 18:11:29< zookeeper> ayin has been gone for... i dunno, at least 8 years? :p
20120902 18:12:53< Necrosporus> So how would I put the volcano on map?
20120902 18:13:11< Necrosporus> I got an draft to do that
20120902 18:13:15< zookeeper> i have no idea, off the top of my head
20120902 18:14:15< Necrosporus> If I can put it on map, maybe the artist would draw the proper volcano with proper transitions to regular terrains
20120902 18:16:19< ancestral> Necrosporus: archive.org
20120902 18:17:02< ancestral> I've brought up that we're in dire need for a permanent place to put wiki images… it's fallen on deaf ears, unfortunately :(
20120902 18:17:04< Necrosporus> Well, if that tutorial is such old...
20120902 18:17:19< ancestral> The wiki is in pretty rough shape all in all
20120902 18:17:44< Necrosporus> I guess, 8 years old code won't help me much
20120902 18:17:48< ancestral> The WML stuff is about the only part that is fairly up to date
20120902 18:17:53< ancestral> (reference)
20120902 18:18:46< ancestral> Necrosporus: I was looking at terran.cfg and terrain-graphics.cfg recently actually
20120902 18:19:01< Necrosporus> Maybe you know other places describing how do I put animation effects on the map? I have only idea to take a look over To Land Unknown, an addon, using animated multihex map pieces
20120902 18:19:15< Necrosporus> Too many levels of macro
20120902 18:19:27< ancestral> Look at data/core/terrain-graphics.cfg and see VOLCANO_2x2
20120902 18:19:55< ancestral> Actually, that's defined in data/core/macros/terrain-utils.cfg I believe
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20120902 18:20:09< ancestral> Hmm
20120902 18:20:13< Necrosporus> Yeah, I used grep to figure it out
20120902 18:20:24< ancestral> You might check with ocean water
20120902 18:20:26< ancestral> That animates
20120902 18:20:28< Necrosporus> Though I want different thing, a much bigger and animated volcano
20120902 18:21:44< Necrosporus> Which also would shoot volcanic bomb which would trigger terrain animation of steam clouds when it fall onto water hex and also would harm units sometimes, if they stay on such hexes (though it must not be really dangerous)
20120902 18:23:12< Necrosporus> Plus animated lava river
20120902 18:24:28< Necrosporus> I don't think, cutting it into individual hexes is a good idea
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20120902 18:25:45< Necrosporus> Is it even possible?
20120902 18:26:11< ancestral> Maybe put a topic up on the forums?
20120902 18:26:17< ancestral> Increase visibility a little
20120902 18:26:46< ancestral> Put as much as you know/think you know
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20120902 18:30:52< loonycyborg> jamit: Just adding extern to that declaration seems to be enough to get rid of the warnings.
20120902 18:31:44< jamit> So add extern, yet still initialize them in the header?
20120902 18:31:51< loonycyborg> Yeah.
20120902 18:32:31< jamit> Seems... strange, but I guess the linker ends up discarding the duplicate definitions? Yet it cannot make sure initializations occur in the right order? :?
20120902 18:32:58< jamit> But if it works, it works.
20120902 18:33:26< loonycyborg> It probably works due to compiler inlining it.
20120902 18:33:41< jamit> Actually, that looks like one place for an evil macro to be used.... :)
20120902 18:34:34< loonycyborg> const vars are supposed to be C++ answer to macros :P
20120902 18:36:05< jamit> Not for the constants, but for the relative_size() computation. I did try that to see what would happen, and the warnings disappeared once the SIZE_* were initialized to something that did not involve a function call.
20120902 18:36:30< jamit> Isn't there supposed to be some way to flag a function as being executed at compile time?
20120902 18:37:03< loonycyborg> Yes. 'inline'. Though compiler can ignore it if considers it necessary.
20120902 18:38:14< jamit> Not quite the same thing as I was thinking about...
20120902 18:38:43< loonycyborg> Anyway, those warnings doesn't happen unless there is another error, so it's probably just gcc being too helpful..
20120902 18:38:59< jamit> Ah, constexpr is what I was thinking about.
20120902 18:39:02< AI0867> jamit: c++0x has constexpr
20120902 18:39:03< AI0867> yeah
20120902 18:39:58< AI0867> there are also entire template frameworks for stuff like that
20120902 18:41:20< AI0867> template<int a, int b> enum add { value = a + b; }; <-- stuff like this
20120902 18:41:39< AI0867> you can then do stuff like add<1, 2>::value
20120902 18:43:04< loonycyborg> boost.mpl
20120902 18:43:48< loonycyborg> Some really crazy stuff can be done at compile time using boost.mpl and boost.preprocessor :P
20120902 18:46:26< loonycyborg> jamit: Anyway, you can consider my suggestion about extern to be a brainfart because it breaks linking :P
20120902 18:47:02< AI0867> extern const static foo; // foo.hpp
20120902 18:47:12< AI0867> const static foo = 3; // foo.cpp
20120902 18:47:22< AI0867> s/static/static int/g
20120902 18:47:38< jamit> Ah, my full recompile finished so now I can try things. 
20120902 18:48:27< loonycyborg> AI0867: Yeah. That's exactly how do you break preferences dialog :P
20120902 18:48:52< AI0867> what happened there?
20120902 18:49:27< loonycyborg> Seems something is using those vars before they're initialized.
20120902 18:49:50< AI0867> static initialization fiasco?
20120902 18:49:59< loonycyborg> Yeah.
20120902 18:50:36< AI0867> why do we have logic running at that time?
20120902 18:50:51< AI0867> the GUI and events need to be initialized of course
20120902 18:51:00< AI0867> but what else?
20120902 18:53:14< jamit> loonycyborg: which text do you see messed up in the preferences dialog?
20120902 18:54:10< loonycyborg> Pretty much all text, with the exception of the list in advanced options.
20120902 18:56:12< loonycyborg> And the names of panes.
20120902 18:56:20< loonycyborg> And some other normal text too.
20120902 18:57:12< jamit> AI0867: The problem, if the theory is correct, would be lines like "const int font_size = font::SIZE_SMALL;" at global scope somehow getting executed before font::SIZE_SMALL is initialized.
20120902 18:58:03< jamit> Maybe the line in widgets/combo.cpp?
20120902 18:59:22< jamit> I'd ask for a test to confirm the hypothesis, but there are 12 lines spread over 6 files that look like they could be part of the problem.
20120902 18:59:23< loonycyborg> jamit: http://imagebin.org/226890
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20120902 19:01:41< jamit> Hmmm... I'm thinking that if you change the four instances of font::SIZE_SMALL with 12 in widgets/button.cpp, that screen might be restored.
20120902 19:02:03< jamit> Not that that is a fix, of course. Just a possible confirmation of what is going on.
20120902 19:04:54< loonycyborg> jamit: That indeed does fix it.
20120902 19:06:09< jamit> Want to scold your compiler, telling it that it should link font.cpp before button.cpp? :)
20120902 19:06:45< loonycyborg> Nope. Such workarounds are not future-proof :P
20120902 19:08:19< jamit> So it looks like this comes down to what is the least of the evils. Which I suppose would be the spurious compiler warnings, but those are annoying/distracting...
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20120902 19:12:40< loonycyborg> I'm trying to build with -std=c++0x and constexpr, just for the lulz.
20120902 19:31:54< loonycyborg> Man! Even declaring  relative_size() constexpr doesn't get rid of them..
20120902 19:35:16< loonycyborg> declaring SIZE_FOO constexpr doesn't help either.
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20120902 20:03:28< jamit> Style-wise, how bad would it be to change http://pastebin.com/UBGNZAev to http://pastebin.com/T6pgVsC5 ? (The latter suppresses the spurious warnings.)
20120902 20:04:27< jamit> With everything so close together in one file, it doesn't look too bad to me, but some people might not like the repetition.
20120902 20:05:48< jamit> And I'm off for a bit, even though I'll leave my IRC client up.
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20120902 20:21:38< loonycyborg> It's not too bad imho.
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20120902 20:31:51< Soliton> Ayne: hi, did you see https://gna.org/bugs/?20106 yet? would be nice to get that fixed soon.
20120902 20:34:38< Ayne> Soliton: Hi, yes, I saw it, I'm working on it
20120902 20:34:59< Soliton> Ayne: excellent, thanks.
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20120902 21:14:37< Espreon> http://pastebin.com/QqZdfUTn ... Any thoughts?
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20120902 21:17:20< zookeeper> Espreon, it's good
20120902 21:17:38< Espreon> Excellent.
20120902 21:18:16< Espreon> I'll give everyone else five minutes before I commit...
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20120902 21:21:30< shadowm> Espreon: #wesnoth-dev, not #wesnoth
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20120902 21:22:22< Espreon> All right.
20120902 21:23:21< loonycyborg> I wonder how src/playcampaign.cpp:183 manages to break only with HAVE_CXX0X defined..
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20120902 21:27:22< Espreon> Thanks, guys.
20120902 21:27:34< Sapient> Espreon: should be "friendly, fun"
20120902 21:28:09< Sapient> but since when do we correct minor grammar mistakes in comments
20120902 21:28:37< Espreon> True, but I only cared about turning them into more acceptable utterances.
20120902 21:29:28< Sapient> yo zookeeper 
20120902 21:29:44< zookeeper> yo
20120902 21:30:02< Sapient> have you looked at this lately? http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=36050&start=45
20120902 21:31:05< zookeeper> not really
20120902 21:31:16< Sapient> you should probably review Pewskeep's storyline changes before the whole rewrite gets mothballed
20120902 21:31:42< Sapient> unless you decided it isn't good enough
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20120902 21:40:08< janebot> Wesnoth Forums | Developers’ Discussions • Re: [STATUS] Forums back up! by TheScribe [ 09-02-2012 19:31 ] [ http://r.wesnoth.org/p536843 ]
20120902 21:40:08< janebot> Wesnoth Forums | Developers’ Discussions • Re: [STATUS] Forums back up! by shadowmaster [ 09-02-2012 19:38 ] [ http://r.wesnoth.org/p536844 ]
20120902 21:41:10< shadowm> boucman: Hi.
20120902 21:43:44< boucman> hey
20120902 21:43:58< boucman> you were looking for me ?
20120902 21:44:03< shadowm> Yes.
20120902 21:44:19< shadowm> Did you notice I assigned https://gna.org/bugs/?20098 and https://gna.org/bugs/?20099 to you?
20120902 21:44:53< boucman> nope I hadn't
20120902 21:45:13< boucman> butI am just arriving from a month away from home so it makes sense I missed it :)
20120902 21:45:38< boucman> these bugs are indeed for me i'll try to have a look when I have time, but I have lot of catch-up to do...
20120902 21:45:50< shadowm> Please note that one of them affects stable.
20120902 21:46:19< shadowm> It'd be nice to have a fix for 1.10 too (regardless of what a certain lazy person would say about expected end-of-life and other nonsense like that).
20120902 21:47:04< boucman> ok
20120902 21:49:13< Necrosporus> boucman, also it's me who discovered the bug
20120902 21:49:33< Necrosporus> And since you are graphic designer you may help with outher animation issues
20120902 21:54:38< boucman> Necrosporus: i can, but not tonight...
20120902 21:56:26< Necrosporus> boucman, ok... can you help with placing animated volcano on the map?
20120902 21:56:37< Necrosporus> I mean not tonight, when you can
20120902 21:56:56< Necrosporus> And plus unit animations
20120902 21:57:24< Necrosporus> boucman, also I didn't mention it, but cave walls still sometimes glitchy, but it's now better than in 1.10.3
20120902 22:00:20< janebot> Wesnoth Forums | Developers’ Discussions • Re: [STATUS] Forums back up! by TheScribe [ 09-02-2012 19:58 ] [ http://r.wesnoth.org/p536845 ]
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20120902 22:08:58< zookeeper> Sapient, posted
20120902 22:09:29< mattsc> Hi, boucman: and just to have one more person bug you, I have a first working micro AI together to discuss with you whenever you have time.
20120902 22:09:46< mattsc> There's no rush whatsoever, I plenty of other things to do.
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20120902 22:11:11< Necrosporus> Sapient, I was said to ask you about WML errors
20120902 22:12:31< boucman> :)
20120902 22:12:35< boucman> that's cool :)
20120902 22:14:31< mattsc> Just ping me when you're ready to discuss.  If that's next year, that's fine.  :)
20120902 22:25:49< shadowm>  Hm, wow, what's up with GUI dialogs in trunk?
20120902 22:26:01< shadowm> GUI1, in particular.
20120902 22:26:51< shadowm> It looks as though all text elements are 1 pixel tall.
20120902 22:28:17< loonycyborg> shadowm: You mean, like in preferences dialog?
20120902 22:28:43< shadowm> I said GUI1.
20120902 22:29:18< shadowm> Most text elements in the preferences dialog, the End Turn button, top bar menu buttons, the status table, all of those use GUI1 widgets.
20120902 22:29:44< loonycyborg> That's an issue introduced by r55206
20120902 22:29:51< shadowm> !log 55206
20120902 22:29:51< shikadibot> shadowm: Revision 55206 (jamit) on Sat Sep  1 03:20:48 2012:
20120902 22:29:52< shikadibot> shadowm: Quiet those "‘font::SIZE_*’ defined but not used" warnings from font.hpp.
20120902 22:29:55< shikadibot> shadowm: Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=55206
20120902 22:30:07< loonycyborg> He was trying to get rid of those annoying warnings.
20120902 22:30:54< shadowm> Those annoying warnings only triggered when compiling failed for any other reason.
20120902 22:31:11< shadowm> So... not really annoying.
20120902 22:31:13< loonycyborg> And introduced static initialization fiasco in addition..
20120902 22:31:25< shadowm> More like a great encouragement for people to fix their code.
20120902 22:31:29< loonycyborg> Though those are really weird.
20120902 22:31:51< loonycyborg> Even using constexpr in c++0x mode doesn't get rid of them..
20120902 22:32:08< loonycyborg> That was discussed on this very channel today.
20120902 22:32:09< shadowm> Well, it'd be great if someone could fix or revert that.
20120902 22:33:14< shadowm> I'm guessing the problem is that there are static variables elsewhere taking values from those before they are initialized.
20120902 22:33:27< loonycyborg> http://pastebin.com/T6pgVsC5 <- he's planning to expand them like this.
20120902 22:33:41< loonycyborg> Instead of moving them into fonts.cpp
20120902 22:33:56< shadowm> Hm.
20120902 22:34:28< shadowm> Reminds me of these useful things called preprocessor macros that some C++ coders hate with a passion.
20120902 22:35:27< shadowm> I imagine you could alternatively revert r55206 and instruct gcc to not complain about those specific variables' non-usage.
20120902 22:35:46< shadowm> Because yeah, who cares about other compilers, really.
20120902 22:35:49< loonycyborg> It could block useful warnings too.
20120902 22:35:57< shadowm> No.
20120902 22:35:59< shadowm> I meant those _specific_ variables.
20120902 22:36:21< loonycyborg> Is that even possible?
20120902 22:36:32< shadowm> I'm not the compiler expert here.
20120902 22:36:50< shadowm> I'd imagine there's some per-symbol attribute that can make gcc pretend it's always used.
20120902 22:39:38< shadowm> About the 'unused' attribute: "This attribute, attached to a variable, means that the variable is meant to be possibly unused.  GCC will not produce a warning for this variable."
20120902 22:40:58< shadowm> There's also a 'used' attribute: "This attribute, attached to a variable, means that the variable must be emitted even if it appears that the variable is not referenced."
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20120902 22:43:55< jamit> shadowm: Just got back. Depending on how long a compile takes, I'll get that fixed up so the GUI works again for others (it still works for me).
20120902 22:44:34< shadowm> jamit: Yeah, if it's an initialization order issue as I suspect, I guess the results will be extremely compiler-dependant.
20120902 22:46:37< jamit> Personally, I think relative_size() would be just fine as a macro, but some people find any macro evil.
20120902 22:47:17< shadowm> Yep. :/
20120902 22:49:16< loonycyborg> Only because it's really easy to screw up with macros.
20120902 22:49:54< shadowm> Yeah, I am aware of the reasoning behind avoiding preprocessor macros.
20120902 22:50:06< loonycyborg> I actually tried making it a macro myself, but apparently I'm not very versed in the art :(
20120902 22:50:09< shadowm> It's just that some people take it too far for perfectly legitimate use cases where those concerns are invalid.
20120902 22:51:10< jamit> For example, the parameter is used exactly once, which is one of the big concerns with macros.
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20120902 22:54:12< loonycyborg> Anyway, who knows why line 183 in playcampaign.cpp even works? That operator[] returns a config::attribute_value while vars is a config.
20120902 22:54:40< loonycyborg> And there don't seem to be any appropriate copy constructors and whatever..
20120902 22:55:49< shadowm> Hm.
20120902 22:56:42< shadowm> Do we even know whether that works in practice? I'm guessing what's really happening there is an assignment of the result of the boolean conversion operator to the variables attribute.
20120902 22:57:23< loonycyborg> Ahh. That's explains why HAVE_CXX0X define caught it..
20120902 22:57:29< shadowm> config has one such declared around line 103 in config.hpp.
20120902 22:57:59< loonycyborg> It has bool conversion defined in a different way with HAVE_CXX0X
20120902 22:58:03< shadowm> I suspect the coder's intention was to assign the right-hand side config node to a [variables] node in the left-hand side config, but that's just not going to happen.
20120902 22:58:47< shadowm> Which would cause WML variables in replays to be utterly broken..
20120902 22:59:28< loonycyborg> So it should be ... = vars["variables"]?
20120902 22:59:49< shadowm> No.
20120902 23:01:30< shadowm> gamestate.carryover_sides_start.child_or_add("variables") = vars;
20120902 23:01:32< shadowm> I think.
20120902 23:01:51< shadowm> It'd be better to determine what the coder's intentions actually were first.
20120902 23:02:30< shadowm> But if their intention was to assign vars' contents to a [variables] child node in the left-hand-side cnfig, that'd be the way to do it.
20120902 23:06:33< shadowm> git svn blame says that line is ayne's.
20120902 23:06:40< shadowm> !log 54990
20120902 23:06:41< shikadibot> shadowm: Revision 54990 (ayne) on Wed Aug 15 12:42:56 2012:
20120902 23:06:41< shikadibot> shadowm: Changed the structure of savegames to only contain the data necessary. Old savegames are loaded via a conversion method.
20120902 23:06:44< shikadibot> shadowm: Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=54990
20120902 23:07:02< shadowm> loonycyborg: I advise you ask her/file a bug report to her, perhaps linking to this conversation.
20120902 23:07:03< loonycyborg> This dubious assignment was there even before this commit.
20120902 23:07:31< loonycyborg> It only changed gamestate.carryover_sides to gamestate.carryover_sides_start.
20120902 23:07:36< shadowm> Hm.
20120902 23:08:30< shadowm> Well, in 1.10 it's completely different.
20120902 23:09:03< shadowm> And seems to confirm my suspicion.
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20120902 23:12:07< jamit> Fix for the small fonts committed. CIA seems to not care.
20120902 23:13:12 * shadowm kicks CIA-106 
20120902 23:13:12< CIA-106> ow
20120902 23:13:38< shadowm> Maybe its mail server died again.
20120902 23:14:39< shadowm> Never mind, it's just stuck in a time singularity or something: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/21371130/screenshots/cia-from-the-future.png
20120902 23:23:44< jamit> !log 54915
20120902 23:23:44< shikadibot> jamit: Revision 54915 (ayne) on Wed Aug  1 21:20:05 2012:
20120902 23:23:45< shikadibot> jamit: Changed the way carryover info is stored in gamestate
20120902 23:23:45< shikadibot> jamit: Made wml_menu_items private
20120902 23:23:45< shikadibot> jamit: Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=54915
20120902 23:24:04< jamit> ^ When the dubious assignment was introduced.
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20120902 23:45:14< loonycyborg> Well, I've made a local commit in git-svn to use child_or_add() but I'll still wait in case I'll get an opportunity to ask ayne about that assignment :P
20120902 23:45:34< shadowm> There's a bug tracker.
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20120902 23:50:30< Sapient> Necrosporus: I've got to log off now, but try the WML Workshop
20120902 23:50:53< Sapient> it tends to get fast responses
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20120902 23:58:35< shadowm> Ivanovic: You are lazy.
20120902 23:58:49< Ivanovic> of course i am
20120902 23:58:52< Ivanovic> okay, what is the context this time?
20120902 23:58:53< shadowm> Why do I have to take care of this licensing crap myself?
20120902 23:59:08< Ivanovic> licensing crap?
20120902 23:59:24< shadowm> Yeah, you know, the stuff we discussed months ago in the admin channel.
20120902 23:59:44< Ivanovic> honestly, no, i don't remember
20120902 23:59:54< Ivanovic> seems like i am getting really old and forgetting things...
20120902 23:59:55< shadowm> 2012-06-26 through 28th.
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