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20120909 01:43:59< AI0867> wesbot: log HEAD
20120909 01:44:03< AI0867> shikadibot: log HEAD
20120909 01:44:04< shikadibot> AI0867: Revision 55271 (ai0867) on Sat Sep  8 23:34:09 2012:
20120909 01:44:04< shikadibot> AI0867: Standardise wescamp.py commit messages
20120909 01:44:04< shikadibot> AI0867: Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=55271
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20120909 12:06:10< AI0867> trunk and 1.11 currently have different add-on servers?
20120909 12:06:37< AI0867> they at least point to different ports in data/tools/wesnoth/campaignserver_client.py
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20120909 16:46:04< lipkab> Hmmm... does it mean anything if I always get a CTCP VERSION from someone on joining Freenode?
20120909 16:46:36< zookeeper> probably not if it's from an utility bot.
20120909 16:48:24< lipkab> The gentleman is called "frigg". It doesn't sound like a bot-ish name for me.
20120909 16:49:25< lipkab> (However, he certainly is a bot or sits in front of the computer 24/7 watching if I join)
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20120909 16:49:56< zookeeper> frigg is ~frigg@freenode/utility-bot/frigg * freenode utility bot, replaces freenode-connect
20120909 16:49:57< loonycyborg> Even if he's a human, he'd have to write a script to do that :P
20120909 16:49:59< zookeeper> sounds like a bot to me.
20120909 16:50:30< lipkab> Oh right then.
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20120909 17:05:13< fendrin> Hello
20120909 17:10:03< lipkab> hi fendrin 
20120909 17:11:00< AI0867> shikadibot: log 55272
20120909 17:11:01< shikadibot> AI0867: Revision 55272 (ai0867) on Sun Sep  9 15:10:46 2012:
20120909 17:11:01< shikadibot> AI0867: Recognize 'trunk' as a wesnoth version rather than a port number
20120909 17:11:01< shikadibot> AI0867: Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=55272
20120909 17:11:03< AI0867> shikadibot: log HEAD
20120909 17:11:04< shikadibot> AI0867: Revision 55273 (ai0867) on Sun Sep  9 15:10:50 2012:
20120909 17:11:07< shikadibot> AI0867: Try not to crash during cleanup
20120909 17:11:09< shikadibot> AI0867: Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=55273
20120909 17:14:01< shadowm> lipkab: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#freenodeconnect
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20120909 17:25:11< lipkab> shadowm: Thanks.
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20120909 19:39:01< shadowm> Huh. I didn't know shroud is gradually cleared during unit movement in trunk.
20120909 19:39:31< shadowm> That seems a little costly performance-wise, though.
20120909 19:41:09< zookeeper> something i've always wished it'd do, since it's... so much better and neater that way.
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20120909 19:56:09< fendrin> Where is the geometry of the hex fields defined?
20120909 19:56:59< shadowm> Did someone fix a problem related to teleporting ([teleport]) or unstoring units at a different locations at some point past 1.11.0? The assert looked like this:
20120909 19:57:02< shadowm> wesnoth-1.11.0: src/unit_map.hpp:201: unit_map::iterator_base<iter_types>::value_type& unit_map::iterator_base<iter_types>::operator*() const [with iter_types = unit_map::standard_iter_types; unit_map::iterator_base<iter_types>::reference = unit&; unit_map::iterator_base<iter_types>::value_type = unit]: Assertion `valid()' failed.
20120909 19:57:19< shadowm> s/at a/at/
20120909 19:58:14< shadowm> If so, I'd like to know what it's about since I can't find any relevant commits and I can't reproduce using current trunk either.
20120909 20:00:30< shadowm> And no, I can't afford debug builds to track down the bug at this particular time.
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20120909 21:19:42< boucman> shadowm: fixed one of your bugs
20120909 21:19:51< shadowm> I got the mail.
20120909 21:19:58< boucman> oh, of course, 
20120909 21:20:17< boucman> the other one seems unrelated, i'll look into it later
20120909 21:20:30< boucman> debugging redraw problems is always complicated...
20120909 21:21:57< shadowm> Hm, you know, if you use "bug #12345" instead of "bug 12345" your commit message will be sent to the tracker entry.
20120909 21:23:37< boucman> I know, I just never actually remember if I need to put the # or not :P
20120909 21:33:37< shadowm> Fix confirmed.
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20120909 22:10:11< fendrin> boucman: Hello
20120909 22:11:05< fendrin> boucman: Do you know where I can adjust the geometry of the hex fields?
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20120909 22:21:03< boucman> what do you mean by geometry ?
20120909 22:32:28< fendrin> boucman: Hmmm, maybe a picture tells more than words.
20120909 22:32:34< boucman> k
20120909 22:35:07< fendrin> boucman: http://imagebin.org/227813
20120909 22:35:47< fendrin> boucman: I can deal with them being smaller, added support for adjusting the hex field size via WML.
20120909 22:36:14< fendrin> boucman: But their shape is also different.
20120909 22:36:22< shadowm> Have you considered using a different existing game engine, forking Wesnoth's, or writing your own?
20120909 22:36:56< fendrin> shadowm: No.
20120909 22:36:57< boucman> you want to change the size of a hex ???
20120909 22:37:37< fendrin> boucman: Nope, I have already changed the size, now the problem is the shape.
20120909 22:38:17< boucman> fendrin: is the problem the fact that it's jagged ?
20120909 22:39:24< fendrin> boucman: Nope, the problem is that the hex fields of Wesnoth have a wider north and south border, thus their angles are different.
20120909 22:40:39< zookeeper> yeah don't make a mess of the code with something silly like that. that's all i'm going to say about it.
20120909 22:45:00< fendrin> zookeeper: Well, in case of the hex field size it was reducing a magic number spread over several files to a single place, I consider that an improvement of the code base.
20120909 22:45:03< boucman> fendrin: i'm afraid that sort of stuff is all over the place
20120909 22:45:33< zookeeper> improvements to the code base are by definition not making a mess, so what i said doesn't apply in such a case
20120909 22:47:55< fendrin> boucman: Well, just one instance of the issue would take me a step further, I can learn to search for the rest of them from it.
20120909 22:50:53< boucman> I honestly have no idea
20120909 22:51:14< boucman> hex are supposed to be regular in order to make a paving, i'm very suprised that wesnoth hexes arn't 
20120909 22:51:59< fendrin> boucman: Sorry, can you rewrite the last sentence in more simple English=
20120909 22:52:00< fendrin> ?
20120909 22:52:26< fendrin> A regular hex field would have the same length at all borders?
20120909 22:52:32< boucman> yes
20120909 22:54:14< zookeeper> i presume they're not regular because then their dimensions would not be square
20120909 22:54:54< fendrin> boucman: Well, the Wesnoth hexes are more regular than the hexes of ASC.
20120909 22:55:43< boucman> they have to be, or you can't do a regular paving...
20120909 22:57:51< zookeeper> paving? you mean tiling?
20120909 22:59:02< boucman> not sure the exact english word for "a shape that can completely cover a surface when assembled"
20120909 22:59:51< shadowm> Tileable shape. Tiling. Tile. etc.
20120909 23:00:00< zookeeper> they don't need to be regular in order to tile
20120909 23:00:13< zookeeper> what fendrin imagebinned works just fine; it only needs to be symmetrical
20120909 23:00:16< shadowm> Seamless tiling too.
20120909 23:01:27< fendrin> I will make a screen shot to show the problem.
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20120909 23:35:34< fendrin> http://imagebin.org/227821 
20120909 23:35:48< fendrin> boucman, shadowm ^
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