--- Log opened Fri Oct 05 00:00:13 2012
20121005 00:06:38< shadowm> elias: What version?
20121005 00:06:57< shadowm> Pretty sure I could download it, otherwise it wouldn't be sitting on my hard disk.
20121005 00:09:06< shadowm> Ah, never mind, it's another add-ons.
20121005 00:09:12< shadowm> Add-on.
20121005 00:09:18< shadowm> Stupid colosseum garbage.
20121005 00:09:33< shadowm> elias: I'll just drop it then.
20121005 00:09:54< shadowm> And, uh, PM the uploader about it.
20121005 00:10:05< shadowm> Yes, I was totally going to do that to begin with.
20121005 00:10:30< shadowm> elias: And I don't know the specifics of the << >> syntax myself.
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20121005 00:21:42< shadowm> In any case it's pretty bad that an add-on like that can block the web update task entirely forever.
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20121005 00:28:50< shadowm> Hm, examining the add-on data file, it looks like campaignd died in the middle of a file write.
20121005 00:29:09< shadowm> Or did something similarly ridiculous.
20121005 00:32:05< elias> hm, yeah, i guess the web update should just catch the exception but no abort
20121005 00:33:12< shadowm> Anyway, the thing is that the campaignd pack WML ends in the middle of the a file contents attribute.
20121005 00:34:33< shadowm> That's presumably not the uploader's fault.
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20121005 01:04:49< fendrin> I have invited Dailin to the irc channel. He is the new ios porter.
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20121005 01:09:59< shadowm> I think WP/BB means Windows Phone and Blackberry, yes.
20121005 01:10:31< fendrin> Ah.
20121005 01:10:38< fendrin> Is there a sdl for ios?
20121005 01:11:05< shadowm> I believe the Frogatto crowd resorted to using an early SDL 1.3 build for iOS.
20121005 01:11:14< shadowm> Back when it was going to be SDL 1.3 and not 2.0.
20121005 01:12:16< shadowm> Do you own an iPhone or something?
20121005 01:13:39< fendrin> No, not even an android.
20121005 01:14:00< shadowm> Huh, all right.
20121005 01:14:02< fendrin> But writing a theme config is doable on my Desktop, I see no problem there.
20121005 01:14:19< shadowm> Yeah, I was just asking since you seem very excited about a thing you can't possibly test.
20121005 01:14:38< fendrin> It is a huge step forward for the project to have a working iphone port.
20121005 01:14:47< fendrin> I would never buy an iphone myself.
20121005 01:14:54< fendrin> Or anything from apple.
20121005 01:15:26< fendrin> Alone the money we received from the store.
20121005 01:15:37< shadowm> Well, I don't see how it'd be a step forward if it was paid and Wesnoth didn't get anything.
20121005 01:15:49< fendrin> And much attention from people who would otherwise had never heard about Wesnoth.
20121005 01:15:56< shadowm> Or if it got this guy in trouble with Kyle's company.
20121005 01:16:16< fendrin> Kyle has no rights on Wesnoth.
20121005 01:16:36< shadowm> I don't know how the Apple thing works, but I'd guess he actually does.
20121005 01:17:23< fendrin> Thus Wesnoth for Iphone will stay at 1.6 for the rest of the universe?
20121005 01:17:24< shadowm> Within that domain, of course.
20121005 01:17:43< fendrin> until the end of the universe
20121005 01:18:10< shadowm> Not necessarily. I don't know whether a deal has/can to be arranged/has been arranged already, I'm just saying that this could end up being a huge disappointment.
20121005 01:18:13< fendrin> It is a problem that there is no layer among us.
20121005 01:18:28< shadowm> It's a thing within the realm of possibility, that's all.
20121005 01:18:42< fendrin> I guess you can be right. 
20121005 01:18:59< fendrin> Laws are not always like normal people expect what sounds fair.
20121005 01:19:01< Espreon> How blargh...
20121005 01:19:21< fendrin> Espreon: ?
20121005 01:19:25< shadowm> This is not so much about laws as it is about not infringing the store's policy which I'm too lazy to read.
20121005 01:20:07< shadowm> OTOH if it's anything like Desura, I'm probably not supposed to be able to read it as a non-publisher in any case.
20121005 01:20:38< shadowm> So, let's move this conversation away from the peanut gallery.
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20121005 10:57:01< Ivanovic> http://sourceforge.net/blog/potm-vote-201211/
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20121005 11:46:58< irker790> wesnoth: ivanovic * r55489 /branches/1.10/po/ (25 files in 25 dirs):
20121005 11:46:58< irker790> updated Scottish Gaelic translation
20121005 11:47:00< irker790> wesnoth: ivanovic * r55490 /trunk/po/ (27 files in 27 dirs):
20121005 11:47:00< irker790> updated Scottish Gaelic translation
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20121005 12:15:41< fendrin> hi dailin, I am fabi on the forums.
20121005 12:16:10< dailin> hi,fabi~I login,tks~
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20121005 12:17:27< fendrin> dailin: There is not much traffic in here right now, too early in the US, midday in Europe.
20121005 12:20:04< dailin> evening in asia
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20121005 12:50:42< Ivanovic> zookeeper: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=539160#p539160
20121005 12:51:45< zookeeper> yeah i haven't tried reproducing that yet
20121005 12:52:46< Ivanovic> any idea what might be going on here? http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=539244#p539244
20121005 12:53:51< fendrin> Ivanovic: I think your last post is related to a bug I introduced, I will investigate.
20121005 12:53:59< Ivanovic> fendrin: okay
20121005 12:54:19< zookeeper> it's the one you fixed in trunk.
20121005 12:54:29< fendrin> zookeeper: Ah yes.
20121005 12:55:13< fendrin> Ivanovic: Zookeeper asked me to provide a wml based patch so the players can play on with the old version. That is why I asked you yesterday how far the next release is away.
20121005 12:55:43< Ivanovic> fendrin: hmm, i could work on a release sometime soon
20121005 12:56:14< Ivanovic> that is: either next weekend (13th/14th) or from 23rd till 4th
20121005 12:56:54< Ivanovic> right now i got a cold (great combination with 2 holidays, right?) so I am not in the mood to do anything "right now" (or tomorrow or sunday)
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20121005 13:13:46< fendrin> Ivanovic: Get well soon!
20121005 13:48:11 * loonycyborg got 'SourceForge Project Upgrade Notification' about wesnoth
20121005 13:48:26< loonycyborg> It seems that it thinks we have a code repository there :P
20121005 13:48:52< Ivanovic> we don't
20121005 13:48:59< Ivanovic> that is why i accepted the upgrade stuff
20121005 13:49:16< Ivanovic> it would only really matter if we were using VCS, forums, wiki, ... there
20121005 13:49:24< Ivanovic> for the file distribution it makes no difference
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20121005 15:16:01< JordiGH> When did Wesnoth move to SF?
20121005 15:17:50< JordiGH> Huh, I don't get it.
20121005 15:17:52< JordiGH> http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/
20121005 15:17:54< JordiGH> It's still in GNA.
20121005 15:18:07< JordiGH> Then what is this? http://sourceforge.net/projects/wesnoth/?source=blog
20121005 15:19:24< zookeeper> sourceforge hosts the downloads, gna hosts the svn repo and bug tracker etc
20121005 15:19:58< JordiGH> I see, thanks.
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20121005 15:30:52< boucman_work> and we'd love to move away from gna at some point....
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20121005 15:31:06< JordiGH> To what?
20121005 15:32:14< boucman_work> that's an interesting question, we don't have a clear answer yet :)
20121005 15:32:29< JordiGH> Is the problem GNA or svn?
20121005 15:32:33< boucman_work> we will probably move to git+some sort of hosting service, but we are not sure which 
20121005 15:32:35< boucman_work> both
20121005 15:32:40< JordiGH> Why not hg?
20121005 15:32:52< JordiGH> git's kinda annoying for large files.
20121005 15:32:57< JordiGH> Which gamedev must have.
20121005 15:33:03< boucman_work> gna is more or less unmaintained, and svn does not provide most of the cool features of git
20121005 15:33:21< JordiGH> Git's a cesspool of bad user interface design.
20121005 15:33:38< JordiGH> It's not the only way to have a good DVCS.
20121005 15:33:54< boucman_work> we are open to discussion, the decisison hasn't been taken
20121005 15:34:07< JordiGH> Then again, most people who use git don't actually attempt to understand its "UI" which is really an API, and use some frontend for it.
20121005 15:34:09< boucman_work> but in the core devs we have many people epxerienced in git but afaik none with hg
20121005 15:34:21< JordiGH> Ah, matter of inertia.
20121005 15:35:47< JordiGH> We have a similar problem with Savannah in GNU as you have with GNA. I think we're using the same codebase or something. But due to dogfooding in GNU, we can't get rid of Savannah.
20121005 15:36:17< JordiGH> There's also the issue that our bug trackers are in Savannah, so anything else we move to will have to be a painful migration.
20121005 15:38:16< fendrin> JordiGH: I think esr is member of a project aiming at converting between those platforms. 
20121005 15:39:05< JordiGH> I heard some gossip that esr had had a falling out with Wesnoth, but I suppose esr here can deny these foul allegations.
20121005 15:40:06< esr> I deny them absolutely. :-)  I'm just semi-retired bexccause (a) I accomplished most of what I wanted to, (2) I have lots of other projects.
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20121005 15:41:44< fendrin> esr: By the way, I did some work on VoW that I will commit soon. It may also be worth releasing the a new version to addon server then.
20121005 15:42:13< esr> fendrin: Yes, WoV is the one thing I still want to finish.
20121005 15:43:05< esr> fendrin: After that's done I might think about lifting another campaign for mainline, if I can find any good raw material on the add-on server.
20121005 15:43:47< AI0867> JordiGH: both use GNU savane, but savannah is significantly more maintained than GNA
20121005 15:44:14< fendrin> esr: I think we can substitute your expertise on most fields (python tools) somehow expect for your role as "Lord of prose" if you should ever leave the project for good. 
20121005 15:44:43< JordiGH> AI0867: If I manage to get the Savane rewrite in Python off the ground, would Wesnoth be interested?
20121005 15:45:05< JordiGH> I tried to get a GSoC student to do it this year, but I made some strategic mistakes. If there is a GSoC 2013, I'll try again.
20121005 15:46:24< JordiGH> The nice thing about the Savane rewrite is that besides being more maintainable than the current PHP mess, there is a clear migration path database-wise.
20121005 15:47:04< JordiGH> So you don't have to change your bug numbers, in case you're referring them in your commit messages or whatever.
20121005 15:47:21< esr> JordiGH: I've looked into fixing Savane.  I think it's a rathole - the basic architecture (web front end talking directly to a DB) is too brokn.  Better IMO to start from something with architectural integrity that is nearly a forge, like Roundup.
20121005 15:47:44< JordiGH> esr: You're referring to the Django rewrite?
20121005 15:48:48< JordiGH> esr: To wit: http://inversethought.com/hg/savane-forge/
20121005 15:50:23< esr> Jm.  That was only talk when I looked at the problem last.  Most recent commit 5 months ago isn't a good sign, though.
20121005 15:50:34< JordiGH> Yeah, I'm not really working on it.
20121005 15:50:55< fendrin> boucman_work: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=35490&view=unread#unread Do you handle the terrain commits lurker is waiting for?
20121005 15:50:56< JordiGH> But I managed to get it running locally with an sqlite, which I think is a pretty nice feature of Django.
20121005 15:51:07< JordiGH> an sqlite database.
20121005 15:52:04< boucman_work> fendrin: I havn't touched the terrain code since at least last year... so no, I don't handle these anymore...
20121005 15:52:29< fendrin> boucman_work: I will ask alarantala.
20121005 15:54:29< loonycyborg> boucman_work: I already have some hg experience :P
20121005 15:55:18< loonycyborg> afaik shadowm has a hg using project too..
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20121005 16:12:31< irker570> wesnoth: jamit * r55491 /trunk/src/attack_prediction.cpp:
20121005 16:12:32< irker570> Specialized xfer() for when prob is 1.0.
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20121005 16:21:58< irker570> wesnoth: jamit * r55492 /trunk/src/attack_prediction.cpp:
20121005 16:21:59< irker570> Push some drain code up from xfer() to where drain is calculated.
20121005 16:24:01< boucman_work> loonycyborg: ok, my bad then...
20121005 16:32:55< irker570> wesnoth: jamit * r55493 /trunk/src/attack_prediction.cpp:
20121005 16:32:56< irker570> remove_petrify_distortion: Further splitting the labor between prob_matrix and combat_matrix.
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20121005 16:51:58< irker570> wesnoth: jamit * r55494 /trunk/src/attack_prediction.cpp:
20121005 16:51:58< irker570> _levelup: Further splitting the labor between prob_matrix and combat_matrix.
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20121005 16:56:33< fendrin> shadowm: I am cleaning the editor interface from non working gui stuff right now. Do you prefer to have empty space or empty items at the place where the new features will appear?
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20121005 17:15:29< irker570> wesnoth: jamit * r55495 /trunk/src/attack_prediction.cpp:
20121005 17:15:29< irker570> extract_results: Further splitting the labor between prob_matrix and combat_matrix.
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20121005 17:55:56< irker570> wesnoth: fendrin * r55497 /trunk/data/themes/editor.cfg:
20121005 17:55:57< irker570> Cleaned the editor gui from non working elements.
20121005 17:55:58< irker570> wesnoth: jamit * r55496 /trunk/src/attack_prediction.cpp:
20121005 17:55:59< irker570> Let combat_matrix express "fully healed" as "max_hp" rather than "highest row".
20121005 17:55:59< irker570> (Part of the separation of implementation and interpretation.)
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20121005 18:21:59< irker570> wesnoth: fendrin * r55498 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/chapter1/02_Hostile_Mountains.cfg:
20121005 18:22:00< irker570> LoW 02: Same balancing adjustments.
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20121005 18:48:40< irker570> wesnoth: jamit * r55499 /trunk/src/attack_prediction.cpp:
20121005 18:48:40< irker570> Store more state in combat_matrix.
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20121005 19:11:47< irker570> wesnoth: jamit * r55500 /trunk/src/attack_prediction.cpp:
20121005 19:11:48< irker570> Introduce a symbolic constant for the number of planes used by prob_matrix.
20121005 19:11:48< irker570> (I'm not sure if the number will change yet, but at least it's easier to change
20121005 19:11:49< irker570> if it comes to that.)
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20121005 20:59:38< shadowm> loonycyborg: What about mercurial?
20121005 21:00:30< loonycyborg> boucman was thinking that absolutely nobody here knows how to use mercurial :P
20121005 21:01:14< shadowm> I only know the basics and decided that Git is much more user-friendly than Mercurial.
20121005 21:02:15< shadowm> fendrin: Empty space when it's not possible to rearrange them to avoid it entirely.
20121005 21:04:30< loonycyborg> Meh. I didn't find much difference with git wrt casual use.
20121005 21:05:23< shadowm> Git doesn't attempt to trick people into believing in linearity.
20121005 21:06:37< loonycyborg> What does that mean, exactly? :/
20121005 21:07:21< shadowm> Mercurial likes presenting changesets in the form <revnum>:<hash>
20121005 21:07:35< shadowm> The <revnum> part is a massive trap.
20121005 21:11:20< loonycyborg> I'm not really sure what exactly revision numbers mean either, but I don't think it matters much.
20121005 21:11:36< shadowm> It means exactly what they mean in SVN.
20121005 21:11:43< shadowm> Except they don't, at the same time.
20121005 21:12:05< shadowm> They start linear, but once true merges begin cropping up in history, it gets messy.
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20121005 21:13:35< shadowm> And they are not universal, either. Suppose you have a public upstream repository A, and two downstream repositories B and C. Carl commits to C and gets revision 4050:AAAABBBBCCCCDDDD. He sends an email to Alice, who controls the downstream repository B and the upstream repository A.
20121005 21:14:08< shadowm> She had more commits merged in her queue. Carl's commit becomes revision 4093:AAAABBBBBCCCCDDDD.
20121005 21:14:15< shadowm> That's what gets pushed upstream.
20121005 21:14:36< shadowm> So it never made sense to have revision numbers in the first place.
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20121005 21:15:52< shadowm> There are other confusing things around Mercurial design too, such as branches.
20121005 21:16:05< shadowm> They don't seem to work in a trivial fashion like they do in Git or Subversion.
20121005 21:16:36< shadowm> And tags are contained in a versioned file instead of being objects on their own.
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20121005 21:17:21< shadowm> Oh, you quit while I was talking.
20121005 21:17:24< shadowm> Bah.
20121005 21:17:56< loonycyborg> Just some network outage :P
20121005 21:17:57< shadowm> And basic functionality such as rebasing is actually provided in the form of 'extensions' the user has to manually enable for some reason.
20121005 21:19:05< shadowm> That sounds to me like it was designed to satisfy the needs of someone who loved modularity a little too much in an unnatural fashion, rather than people who need to get their work done using a DVCS.
20121005 21:20:18< loonycyborg> Probably to ensure that random people won't rebase accidentally or something :P
20121005 21:20:41< shadowm> Yes, sure, it's too easy to type 'rebase' instead of 'log'.
20121005 21:20:43< shadowm> Not.
20121005 21:20:45< loonycyborg> Because it's really easy to screw up that thing..
20121005 21:21:34< shadowm> I have never had accidents with git rebase myself other than one particular instance where I provided the source and destination branches in the wrong order.
20121005 21:22:36< loonycyborg> Figuring out how or why to perform rebase is much harder than editing .hgrc :P
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20121005 21:32:28< loonycyborg> Though I agree that most of those modules I had to enable should be mainlined..
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20121005 21:47:54< mattsc> Hi, boucman: is there anything specific you'd want me to do with the [micro_ai] stuff, or just keep adding other MAIs to it?
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20121005 22:34:41< boucman> hey mattsc
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20121005 22:35:06< mattsc> hey boucman 
20121005 22:35:14< boucman> nothing specific in mind... my guess is that by adding mor MAI you will have new needs for the core, so just go for it
20121005 22:36:16< mattsc> ok, sounds good.  I'll just keep working on it then (slowly; too many other things going on)
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20121005 23:12:56< irker761> wesnoth: jamit * r55501 /trunk/src/attack_prediction.cpp:
20121005 23:12:56< irker761> Some sparse matrix optimizations.
20121005 23:12:56< irker761> Benchmarking indicated a 40% reduction in run time for attack predictions.
20121005 23:12:57< irker761> (Almost 50% when I substituted a rougher test set.)
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20121005 23:28:05< irker761> wesnoth: jamit * r55502 /trunk/ (src/attack_prediction.cpp utils/wesnoth-attack-sim.c):
20121005 23:28:06< irker761> A more varied set of test cases for attack prediction timings and verification.
20121005 23:28:06< irker761> The old set had several deficiencies, such as every unit with slow also having
20121005 23:28:07< irker761> only one attack and having the swarm special (so usually no attacks). This set
20121005 23:28:07< irker761> keeps the specials and stats on separate cycles.
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