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20121007 02:57:42< shadowm> Ivanovic: Maybe you have something to post in a follow-up here: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=37698
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20121007 03:37:52< irker008> wesnoth: jetryl * r55504 /trunk/data/core/images/portraits/ (6 files in 4 dirs):
20121007 03:37:52< irker008> Updated portraits for the generic ogre, wose, and sea serpent.
20121007 03:46:58< Espreon> ... Meh to the Sea Serpent portrait.
20121007 03:47:07< Espreon> But since I can't do anything better, I suppose I should STFU and die.
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20121007 04:14:14< irker008> wesnoth: jetryl * r55505 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/images/portraits/ (5 files):
20121007 04:14:15< irker008> Replaced the old perrin and masked dwarf portraits with DUHH's current work.
20121007 04:18:34< irker008> wesnoth: gabba * r55506 /trunk/src/whiteboard/manager.cpp:
20121007 04:18:36< irker008> Don't end turn if executing all actions in another way than using the "end turn" action. Fixes bug #19901.
20121007 04:20:37< irker008> wesnoth: jetryl * r55507 /trunk/data/campaigns/tutorial/images/portraits/ (lisar.png konrad.png):
20121007 04:20:38< irker008> Updated the konrad and lisar portraits in the tutorial to be the same as the new base portraits in HttT.
20121007 04:34:28< irker008> wesnoth: gabba * r55508 /branches/1.10/src/whiteboard/ (utility.hpp manager.cpp):
20121007 04:34:29< irker008> Don't end turn if executing all actions in another way than using the "end turn" action. Fixes bug #19901. Backport of rev #55506. Backport of a very small portion of rev #54451.
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20121007 04:37:02< gabba> So, that should be all the known critical whiteboard fixed, for now.
20121007 04:37:19< gabba> (As usual I expect people to prove me wrong 10 min after I've said that.)
20121007 04:37:43< gabba> ^all the known critical whiteboard *bugs*
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20121007 04:45:14< irker008> wesnoth: gabba * r55509 /trunk/ (players_changelog changelog):
20121007 04:45:15< irker008> Changelog entries for rev #55506
20121007 04:48:26< irker008> wesnoth: gabba * r55510 /branches/1.10/ (players_changelog changelog):
20121007 04:48:27< irker008> Changelog entries for last two bugfixes.
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20121007 07:12:40< irker008> wesnoth: fendrin * r55511 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/chapter1/01_The_Uprooting.cfg:
20121007 07:12:41< irker008> LoW 01: Removed the signpost which is no longer part of the scenarios objectives.
20121007 07:12:41< irker008> Gold adjustments.
20121007 07:12:41< irker008> Minor changes to the dialogues.
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20121007 10:48:23< mordante> servus
20121007 10:48:25< mordante> did I miss a lot?
20121007 10:48:53< mordante> shadowm, you were looking for me?
20121007 10:49:12< Ivanovic> hi mordante
20121007 10:49:22< Ivanovic> yeah, you missed a lot, nice to see you around again!
20121007 10:50:13< mordante> anything important?
20121007 10:50:30< mordante> nice to be back :-)
20121007 10:50:46< Ivanovic> where have you been all that time?
20121007 10:51:26< Ivanovic> lipkab now has commit access, that is eventually boucman just said "okay, lets have it in and you'll just have to fix the remaining issues when we stumble over them"
20121007 10:52:24< boucman> hey mordante
20121007 10:52:27< boucman> great to have you back
20121007 10:52:28< mordante> hi boucman 
20121007 10:53:45< mordante> real life was quite busy and every time I thought I would find more time, something new popped up
20121007 10:55:10< mordante> boucman, btw maybe next time we should discourage such large patches it did more than one thing and they are a time-drain to review
20121007 10:55:33< boucman> defnitely
20121007 10:55:39< mordante> especially when re-reviewing them to see whether all comment have been addressed
20121007 10:56:08< boucman> otoh it's the first time I see such a large patch in almost 10 years of wesnoth, so it's a rather uncommon problem
20121007 10:58:01< mordante> such a large one yes, but I recall seeing some other quite huge ones
20121007 11:07:57< boucman> if we move to git/github we will hve more change of seeing them coming :P
20121007 11:09:25< mordante> then people can create patch-sets instead of one pile of patches :-)
20121007 11:11:26< mordante> but have there been new discussions regarding moving to git?
20121007 11:11:32< boucman> yeah, and the network graph allow us to see who is working on a clone
20121007 11:11:47< Ivanovic> mordante: no, there were no further discussions on the ML
20121007 11:11:59< mordante> and on IRC?
20121007 11:12:20< Ivanovic> not that i were aware of such a discussion
20121007 11:15:02< mordante> hmm, maybe we should rekindle the discussion
20121007 11:17:46< irker008> wesnoth: mordante * r55513 /trunk/src/menu_events.cpp:
20121007 11:17:46< irker008> Remove a useless cast.
20121007 11:17:47< irker008> Detected by the upcoming gcc-4.8.
20121007 11:17:49< irker008> wesnoth: mordante * r55512 /trunk/ (src/hotkeys.cpp changelog):
20121007 11:17:49< irker008> Fixes the shift and meta key in the hotkeys.
20121007 11:17:50< irker008> The test tested the right shift and meta twice and the left one never.
20121007 11:17:50< irker008> Issue found by cppcheck.
20121007 11:17:53< irker008> wesnoth: mordante * r55514 /trunk/src/minimap.cpp:
20121007 11:17:53< irker008> Remove a useless cast.
20121007 11:17:54< irker008> Detected by the upcoming gcc-4.8.
20121007 11:17:56< irker008> wesnoth: mordante * r55515 /trunk/src/multiplayer_wait.cpp:
20121007 11:17:56< irker008> Remove a useless cast.
20121007 11:17:57< irker008> Detected by the upcoming gcc-4.8.
20121007 11:17:59< irker008> wesnoth: mordante * r55516 /trunk/ (CMakeLists.txt src/CMakeLists.txt changelog):
20121007 11:17:59< irker008> Add -Wuseless-cast to the pedantic flags.
20121007 11:18:01< irker008> wesnoth: mordante * r55517 /trunk/ (CMakeLists.txt changelog):
20121007 11:18:01< irker008> Add -Wc++11-compat to the pedantic flags.
20121007 11:18:03< irker008> wesnoth: mordante * r55518 /trunk/src/image_modifications.hpp:
20121007 11:18:03< irker008> Initialize all members.
20121007 11:18:05< irker008> wesnoth: mordante * r55519 /trunk/src/attack_prediction.cpp:
20121007 11:18:05< irker008> Initialize all members.
20121007 11:18:07< irker008> wesnoth: mordante * r55520 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/mp_create_game_choose_mods.cpp:
20121007 11:18:07< irker008> Initialize all members.
20121007 11:18:11< irker008> wesnoth: mordante * r55521 /trunk/src/ (15 files in 2 dirs):
20121007 11:18:12< irker008> Strip trailing whitespace.
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20121007 11:38:55< irker008> wesnoth: ivanovic * r55522 /trunk/ (35 files in 14 dirs):
20121007 11:38:55< irker008> applied utils/wesnoth-optipng:
20121007 11:38:56< irker008> Overall statistics (only for files with a smaller recompressed size):
20121007 11:38:56< irker008> Original size: 4442 KiB on 35 files
20121007 11:38:57< irker008> Optimized size: 4211 KiB
20121007 11:38:57< irker008> Total saving: 230 KiB = 5% decrease
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20121007 12:38:46< Evropi> anyone want to look at my code? There's a grave bug in this add-on I would realllllyyyy like to ship by the end of this week, which is today
20121007 12:38:58< Evropi> the bug is that side 1 doesn't show up. I've started thinking that it may be an engine bug
20121007 12:39:06< zookeeper> maybe
20121007 12:39:22< Evropi> do you want the whole thing or what I *think* are the relevant sections?
20121007 12:39:31< Evropi> I can point you to the lines
20121007 12:39:53< zookeeper> whole thing is always better
20121007 12:39:58< Evropi> ok
20121007 12:40:00< Evropi>  http://filesmelt.com/dl/Temples_Of_The_Nagas.zip
20121007 12:40:25< Evropi> zip for compatibility reasons though I prefer bz2 normally
20121007 12:40:25< Evropi> line 626, zookeeper
20121007 12:40:55< Evropi> the previous version of TOTN, it should be noted, had the human players as sides 2,3,4,5
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20121007 12:41:23< Evropi> that put my OCD into overdrive so I changed it. Not just with regex, I looked through the whole thing afterward and I'm certain no bad bits have been left over
20121007 12:42:55< zookeeper> what does that event have to do with side 1?
20121007 12:43:11< zookeeper> anyway, i'm currently cooking, so i'll take a closer look in half an hour or so
20121007 12:43:15< Evropi> side 1 starts first
20121007 12:43:18< Evropi> ah cheers
20121007 12:43:33< Evropi> basically before you had to move with the leader
20121007 12:43:53< Evropi> which many players found pretty awkward, so I made a real "start menu"
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20121007 13:15:37< lipkab> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=37700#p539497
20121007 13:15:51< lipkab> Moderation now includes spellchecking? :)
20121007 13:17:43< zookeeper> Evropi, ok, so...
20121007 13:18:11< Evropi> yes
20121007 13:19:58< zookeeper> so i still don't understand what the problem is supposed to be. you say that side 1 doesn't show up, but absolutely nothing in that event would make side 1 disappear.
20121007 13:20:11< Evropi> yes
20121007 13:20:17< Evropi> but try testing it
20121007 13:20:21< Evropi> that's why I'm so confused
20121007 13:20:46< Evropi> awfully monolithic by the way, isn't it? From 1.0 if I'm not mistaken, though I first played it in 1.6
20121007 13:20:49< zookeeper> 1.10 or 1.11?
20121007 13:21:00< Evropi> 1.10.04
20121007 13:21:11< Evropi> please don't replace any code to be made obsoleted
20121007 13:21:19< zookeeper> and yeah, any scenario which is that big and is from 1.0 will certainly have obnoxious code
20121007 13:21:22< Evropi> like [gold], I'll get to that in a later version
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20121007 13:25:37< zookeeper> hmm. funny. well, there must be some other event which kills side 1.
20121007 13:28:35< zookeeper> if i remove that turn 1 event, side 1 will still be missing
20121007 13:30:01< Evropi> maybe the objectives are at fault here
20121007 13:30:21< zookeeper> objectives don't affect gameplay
20121007 13:30:46< Evropi> side=0, that is. It had objectives for each individual side before (including AI) but they were exactly the same...
20121007 13:30:46< Evropi> I suppose
20121007 13:30:46< Evropi> the victory conditions are near the end anyway
20121007 13:30:59< Evropi> oh I understand now, all objectives do is format it in a pretty way
20121007 13:31:02< Evropi> thank you :)
20121007 13:31:08< zookeeper> yes
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20121007 13:33:57< zookeeper> humm. i removed _all_ events, and still side 1 is missing.
20121007 13:34:23< zookeeper> there's no starting position for side 1 on the map
20121007 13:34:40< zookeeper> try fixing that :p
20121007 13:34:46< Evropi> really
20121007 13:35:02< Evropi> too bad because I get a crash to desktop when I load the map in the map editor
20121007 13:35:19< Evropi> just wondering, do you ahve the same problem with it?
20121007 13:35:26< zookeeper> well... just do it with a text editor then. and no
20121007 13:35:32< Evropi> yeah I guess
20121007 13:36:00< zookeeper> err, nevermind
20121007 13:36:05< zookeeper> i don't know, i haven't tried loading that map
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20121007 13:37:01< zookeeper> loads just fine for me, on 1.10.2
20121007 13:37:25< Evropi2> dang freenode
20121007 13:37:35< Evropi2> you probably use Ubuntu right zookeper?
20121007 13:37:37< zookeeper> anyway, just replace 5 with 1 on the map file
20121007 13:37:44< zookeeper> no, win7
20121007 13:37:55< Evropi2> ah, I was going to be like "Damn distribution release cycles"
20121007 13:38:06< Evropi2> they really do kill desktop linux by being frozen in time
20121007 13:38:44< Evropi2> I mean it's a game, the traffic lights on the street don't rely on it
20121007 13:38:44< Evropi2> what's their issue with updating it? A stupid culture, that's the issue
20121007 13:38:44< Evropi2>  /rant
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20121007 13:40:00 * zookeeper shrugs
20121007 13:40:09< Evropi2> fantastic
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20121007 13:40:19< Evropi> thanks ever so much
20121007 13:40:37< Evropi> to show you my gratitude, here's an obscure freeware game coming out which you will love
20121007 13:40:53< Evropi> http://kobo2.net/
20121007 13:41:01< Evropi> Kobo Deluxe, or Kobo 1, is FOSS
20121007 13:41:12< Evropi> Kobo 2 is much better though, the tech preview is free
20121007 13:41:18< Evropi> enjoy
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20121007 13:42:35< Evropi> you can get kobo deluxe from http://kobodeluxe.com/, which is a fantastic game in its own right
20121007 13:43:37 * zookeeper thinks kobo II looks more attractive
20121007 13:43:54 * Evropi agrees
20121007 13:44:06< Evropi> best played with a gamepad though
20121007 13:44:28< Evropi> in fact Kobo 2 is only really playable with a gamepad. Kobo 1 is best with the keyboard
20121007 13:44:48< Evropi> I've beaten level 50. Great game to have competitions with friends with in idle times
20121007 13:45:01< Evropi> I won't spoil what comes after lv50 :   )
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20121007 13:55:32< zookeeper> so i take it that adding the starting position fixed it completely?
20121007 13:55:55< Evropi> you bet :)
20121007 13:55:58< Evropi> thank you ever so much
20121007 13:56:03< Evropi> there is one problem I just spotted though
20121007 13:56:09< Evropi>             background="~/add-ons/Temples_Of_The_Nagas/images/maps/northlands.jpg"
20121007 13:56:20< Evropi> why is this not showing up in the intro?
20121007 13:56:41< zookeeper> because that's wrong :p
20121007 13:56:48< Evropi> I changed the line myself, this image used to be in /core in Wesnoth 1.2
20121007 13:56:56< Evropi> huh
20121007 13:56:57< zookeeper> background="maps/northlands.jpg" would be correct
20121007 13:57:43< Evropi> it's no longer in /core
20121007 13:57:51< zookeeper> but then again it'd probably be better to not use a map at all, especially when that particular image is horrible.
20121007 13:58:03< Evropi> so you need to specify it and bundle it
20121007 13:58:13< Evropi> true, but I can't think of anything else to put there and I want to maintain it, not change everything around
20121007 13:58:57< zookeeper> no, your [binary_path] in _main.cfg already tells the game that when it sees background="maps/northlands.jpg", it looks for that image in the images/ subdir of your the dir you binary_pathed
20121007 13:59:29< Evropi> uh huh
20121007 14:00:03< Evropi> thank you
20121007 14:00:40< Evropi> since you like TBSs zookeeper, you might like Afterwind
20121007 14:00:40< Evropi> http://afterwind.com/
20121007 14:01:10< Evropi> the "clan" I reference in my post on the forum is from there. We all came from there and we occupy the top 3 out of 5 spots in competitive
20121007 14:01:31< Evropi> you can have a refer link if you want :)
20121007 14:02:11< Evropi> it's a truly innovative TBS. No grids is the main innovation, and another is that all turns happen simultaneously (though I guess the board game Diplomacy beat it by about 50 years)
20121007 14:02:51< zookeeper> oh and move the [binary_path] inside the #ifdef MULTIPLAYER
20121007 14:03:33< Evropi> and replace the path in macro form?
20121007 14:04:30< zookeeper> umm, no, don't change anything, just move it
20121007 14:04:46< Evropi> yeah I just looked at another add-on I have installed, quite true
20121007 14:05:52< Evropi> go here if you want to be a bro http://afterwind.com/?p=17227 :) though feel free to try the game without a referral
20121007 14:05:58< zookeeper> anyway, the WML generally doesn't seem to be that horrible, because it's a pretty simple scenario
20121007 14:06:05< Evropi> yeah true
20121007 14:06:08< Evropi> it's just enormous
20121007 14:06:25< Evropi> it's intentionally linear though, with non-random spawns and stuff
20121007 14:07:07< Evropi> the author says it is a) because of the computational overhead but also b) so strategies can be developed. It's more or less impossible with random spawns on Hardcore length & difficulty
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20121007 14:09:42< zookeeper> yeah i've never liked scenarios with static spawns so hard that you need to memorize them beforehand to really have a chance.
20121007 14:10:06< Evropi> I like them, they still offer lots of challenge
20121007 14:10:07< zookeeper> and i think i'll pass on afterwind...
20121007 14:10:13< Evropi> Colosseum 3p is outstanding
20121007 14:10:16< Evropi> a shame it never got ported
20121007 14:10:42< Evropi> the problem is that those types of scenarios are never balanced well enough so that they offer the ability to pick more than one play-style
20121007 14:10:48< Evropi> how come? Afterwind is awesome :)
20121007 14:11:03< zookeeper> in any case, the dinner's out of the oven so i'll go enjoy myself ->
20121007 14:11:23< Evropi> enjoy :)
20121007 14:11:29< Evropi> and thanks again, you've been of great help
20121007 14:11:40< Evropi> you can sleep well tonight, knowing you helped someone so much
20121007 14:29:10< Evropi> quick question to anyone: how can I have multi-line descriptions in .pbl files?
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20121007 14:36:56< zookeeper> Evropi, just put linebreaks in your string?
20121007 14:37:10< Evropi> \n?
20121007 14:37:17< Evropi> I see, it just isn't documented
20121007 14:37:25< Evropi> in PblWML
20121007 14:37:41< zookeeper> well just pressing that big enter key on your keyboard ought to do it :p
20121007 14:37:57< zookeeper> if it doesn't work for some reason then i think there's no other way
20121007 14:38:01< Evropi> nah it doesn't
20121007 14:38:07< Evropi> I'll just force the newlines, see what happens
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20121007 14:43:57< Evropi> ahh I see
20121007 14:44:15< Evropi> see the guy who handed me the pbl (jb) put a _ before the description
20121007 14:44:23< Evropi> if you put that there--which you're not meant to do
20121007 14:44:29< Evropi> then it cannot have newlines
20121007 14:44:42< Evropi> but without it you can just press enter
20121007 14:45:14< Evropi> \n's show up
20121007 14:45:14< Evropi> so yeah, simpler than I thought... but must not have the _ character
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20121007 15:42:37< Evropi> should the mask file be identical to the map file
20121007 15:42:46< Evropi> I am worried
20121007 15:42:55< Evropi> since I edited the map with a text editor -.-
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20121007 16:11:22< Evropi> seems to work okay, I just hope I don't run into any problems down the line
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20121007 18:04:28< mordante> I'm off bye
20121007 18:04:45< Evropi> bb
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20121007 18:22:00< boucman> shadowm: I fixed your bug...
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20121007 19:05:27< shadowm> mordante:Yes.
20121007 19:05:33< shadowm> 08:15:50 <lipkab> Moderation now includes spellchecking? :)
20121007 19:05:40< shadowm> lipkab: No.
20121007 19:05:47< shadowm> boucman: Yes?
20121007 19:06:04< boucman> shadowm: the bug you had with lilic dragons... I fixed it
20121007 19:06:20< shadowm> Not on 1.10 yet, though.
20121007 19:06:31< boucman> true, let me backport
20121007 19:06:35< shadowm> I'll test that bug again later.
20121007 19:10:13< boucman> k, keep me posted
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20121007 19:13:14< irker429> wesnoth: boucman * r55524 /branches/1.10/src/unit.cpp:
20121007 19:13:15< irker429> backport fix #20099
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20121007 19:33:36< irker429> wesnoth: jamit * r55525 /trunk/src/ (attack_prediction.cpp attack_prediction.hpp):
20121007 19:33:37< irker429> Moving a variable into the function where it is used
20121007 19:33:37< irker429> (instead of passing it as a parameter).
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20121007 19:43:26< shadowm> boucman: "it linked to the lack of image= tag. adding it to an anim makes it work
20121007 19:43:30< shadowm> (both adding a standing anim in core or in events" Are you sure?
20121007 19:43:54< boucman> well, that's what I tested, yes
20121007 19:44:04< shadowm> Hm, okay.
20121007 19:44:08< boucman> but I fixed it in svn since I posted taht comment
20121007 19:44:23< shadowm> Sure.
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20121007 19:45:17< irker429> wesnoth: jamit * r55526 /trunk/src/ (attack_prediction.cpp attack_prediction.hpp):
20121007 19:45:18< irker429> Convert a private member function to a static non-member function.
20121007 19:48:19< jamit> I suppose I should not be reading "irker" as "one who irritates/annoys/irks"? :)
20121007 19:48:53< shadowm> You should. It's irked me from the very beginning, but it's better than nothing.
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20121007 20:11:52< AI0867> jamit: I believe the 'annoy' + irc thing was intentional from the start
20121007 20:12:06< AI0867> basically, it pokes people on IRC
20121007 20:12:41< loonycyborg> And will highlight the committers themselves :P
20121007 20:13:13< loonycyborg> Assuming that their nicks match their committer names..
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20121007 21:10:10< irker429> wesnoth: espreon * r55527 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth-utbs/gl.po wesnoth/gl.po):
20121007 21:10:10< irker429> Updated the Galician translation.
20121007 21:11:08< shadowm> boucman: Fix and workaround confirmed.
20121007 21:11:18< boucman> k, cool
20121007 21:11:50< shadowm> Do these bug fixes have changelog entries yet?
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20121007 21:12:14< irker429> wesnoth: espreon * r55528 /branches/1.10/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
20121007 21:12:15< irker429> Updated the Galician translation.
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20121007 22:50:13< noy> anybody know of the paypal calculator that was a spreadsheet online?
20121007 22:52:34< noy> I guess nobody does
20121007 22:53:00< Ivanovic> http://numsum.com/spreadsheet/show/35968
20121007 22:53:15< Ivanovic> http://paypalfeecalculator.paymentprocessing.cc/
20121007 22:54:31< Ivanovic> those are some of the top hits i had with google
20121007 22:54:32< Ivanovic> ;)
20121007 22:55:01< Ivanovic> http://thefeecalculator.com/
20121007 22:57:46< noy> yes, none of them are the one I am looking for
20121007 22:57:52< noy> that's why I couldn't find it
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