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20121020 00:08:19< irker626> wesnoth: jamit * r55555 /trunk/src/ (attack_prediction.cpp attack_prediction.hpp):
20121020 00:08:19< irker626> Cleaner handling for combatant::hp_dist.
20121020 00:08:20< irker626> In particular, it is no longer assumed that its size must be the same as the summary.
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20121020 01:19:55< jamit> fendrin_: Got a problem with my hot keys
20121020 01:20:18< fendrin_> jamit: hi
20121020 01:20:22< jamit> Specifically, alt+key is not working. The game thinks alt+s means meta+s
20121020 01:20:43< jamit> Traced it back to r55543 and r55544
20121020 01:21:05< fendrin_> jamit: Okay, thanks. I fix it.
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20121020 01:21:43< fendrin_> jamit: Wait, did you test with latest?
20121020 01:21:51< fendrin_> jamit: trunk
20121020 01:22:45< jamit> Well, I noticed alt+s not working in trunk, but did not realize the game was swapping alt and meta until after I backtracked a few versions.
20121020 01:23:04< fendrin_> Okay
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20121020 02:08:32< jamit> fendrin_: (not about hotkeys) In a scenario with fog, move a unit so that it reveals an enemy, then press 't' to continue moving. Next, click on a unit, and that unit will move to where the first unit's move was interrupted, as if that hex had been clicked/selected first.
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20121020 02:10:49< fendrin_> jamit: Noted, It's on my TODO.
20121020 02:11:48< jamit> If you want these filed in Gna instead of your TODO list, just let me know. Mentioning them in IRC is just a bit faster.
20121020 02:12:52< fendrin_> jamit: Please fill a bug report. :-)
20121020 02:17:37< shadowm> loonycyborg: I just realized that this is the first explicit use of the boost::exception class in Wesnoth.
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20121020 02:17:58< shadowm> loonycyborg: I suppose one or more of our dependencies already used it?
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20121020 02:18:41< shadowm> Boo.
20121020 02:21:18< shadowm> Hm.
20121020 02:21:51< shadowm> Okay, I couldn't find any Boost library other than Boost exception including files of the form boost/exception*
20121020 02:21:55< shadowm> here.
20121020 02:22:08< shadowm> So... that sounds like a dependency change.
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20121020 05:23:31< irker626> wesnoth: jamit * r55556 /trunk/src/ (actions/attack.cpp unit_types.hpp unit_abilities.cpp):
20121020 05:23:31< irker626> Shift some attack and damage calculations to the attack_type class.
20121020 05:23:32< irker626> This is in anticipation of them being useful (later) in reports.
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20121020 10:46:45< lipkab> fendrin_: I'd like to point out that the game creation screen has been broken for ages.
20121020 10:48:07< lipkab> 1.10.4 and 1.11.0 are nothing better than trunk, and none of those include my additions.
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20121020 13:47:33< ivanovic_pandora> moin
20121020 13:47:44< ivanovic_pandora> greetings from california!
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20121020 14:06:57< ivanovic_pandora> Rhonda, Soliton: question regarding the server: what are our needs right now?
20121020 14:07:33< ivanovic_pandora> that is: how much more drive space and how much more ramwould make sense?
20121020 14:07:50< ivanovic_pandora> plus: would an additional server be a good idea?
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20121020 14:11:09< loonycyborg> You mean like to host sql server and static content? :P
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20121020 14:12:27< Soliton> a server that doesn't randomly reboot would be nice. :-)
20121020 14:13:50< ivanovic_pandora> Soliton: right
20121020 14:14:18< ivanovic_pandora> and what are the harware specs for a machine like that?
20121020 14:15:36< ivanovic_pandora> reason for me asking: i talked to noy and we came to the topic "do we have enough cash to do something about the server?" and he said "absolutely!"
20121020 14:16:53< Soliton> we should probably make a list of what services we're running and how it would make sense to seperate them onto different machines.
20121020 14:17:45< ivanovic_pandora> and maybe also listing which ones got "several versions" (mp, addons, ..)
20121020 14:18:05< Soliton> absolutely.
20121020 14:18:29< ivanovic_pandora> e.g. we could this way also host a backup mp server ourselves
20121020 14:19:48< loonycyborg> Can you make that server on another hosting provider?
20121020 14:20:08< loonycyborg> So at least their outages won't be simultaneous :P
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20121020 14:22:00< ivanovic_pandora> loonycyborg: no idea regarding the server hoster and whet to do there
20121020 14:22:39< ivanovic_pandora> but what i want to know first is what we have, which grow we know about and what we envision possible with extra resources
20121020 14:23:09< ivanovic_pandora> e.g. the mp replays are taking up many gb these days
20121020 14:23:38< ivanovic_pandora> so just because of those a larger HD makes sense
20121020 14:25:53< ivanovic_pandora> Rhonda: i would also like to hear your feedback regarding what makes sense
20121020 14:35:45< AI0867> I thought about setting up amazon EC2 instance stored on EBS that we could start up in a matter of minutes if the main wesnothd goes down
20121020 14:36:01< AI0867> anything more than wesnothd would require actually syncing data though
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20121020 16:01:07< fendrin_> wesbot: seen crab?
20121020 16:01:07< wesbot> fendrin_: Sorry, I don't know of crab.
20121020 16:01:12< fendrin_> wesbot: seen crab_?
20121020 16:01:12< wesbot> fendrin_: The person with the nick Crab_ last spoke 1d 23h ago.  1d 22h ago person left:
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20121020 16:01:50< ivanovic_pandora> does someone in here have the email addy of noy?
20121020 16:02:08< ivanovic_pandora> don't want to wake him by knocking on the door
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20121020 16:02:44< fendrin> hi noy
20121020 16:03:11< Cookiee> He has very good timing. 
20121020 16:03:50< ivanovic_pandora> hi noy
20121020 16:04:08< ivanovic_pandora> noy: just wanted to mail you to tell you i already was in the lobby
20121020 16:04:26< zookeeper> so where are you?
20121020 16:05:02< ivanovic_pandora> zookeeper: sunnyvale california for the gsoc mentor summit
20121020 16:05:07< zookeeper> ah, ok
20121020 16:15:29< ivanovic_pandora> noy: ping
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20121020 16:21:20< fendrin> ivanovic_pandora: Did we release 1.10 with the create multiplayer game dialog broken on the pandora?
20121020 16:21:40< ivanovic_pandora> no idea
20121020 16:21:54< ivanovic_pandora> never tested creating an mp game on the pandora
20121020 16:22:16< ivanovic_pandora> but if the dialog is broken in 800x480: yeah, we did
20121020 16:22:28< fendrin> It is already broken at 800x600. 
20121020 16:22:34< fendrin> At least now in trunk.
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20121020 16:44:16< fendrin> lipkab: I assume to be right that you added several new ui elements lately by adding code into the multiplayer_create.cpp file. I recognize that the UI was already somewhat broken before. Still I hope we can agree that adding more stuff to an already broken UI does make the problem even worse, right?
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20121020 16:51:18< fendrin> lipkab: The broken 1.10 needs to be repaired quickly, with another maintenance release of the 1.10 series following. The 1.11 brokenness can stay a little longer but must be fixed for 1.12. 
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20121020 16:58:49< fendrin> wesbot: seen zaroth?
20121020 16:58:49< wesbot> fendrin: Sorry, I don't know of zaroth.
20121020 16:59:01< fendrin> wesbot: seen zaroth_ ?
20121020 16:59:01< wesbot> fendrin: Sorry, I don't know of zaroth_.
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20121020 17:07:58< noy> ivanovic_pandora: Im up now
20121020 17:08:16< noy> you still there?
20121020 17:08:25< ivanovic_pandora> am in the lobby and will take the first bus at 8:30
20121020 17:08:48< noy> I'll be there
20121020 17:08:54< ivanovic_pandora> okay
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20121020 17:16:50< noy> ivanovic_pandora: how warm is it going to be, do you know?
20121020 17:17:42< ivanovic_pandora> currently it is cool, but it should become warmer
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20121020 17:19:23< ivanovic_pandora> noy: entering the bus...
20121020 17:19:37< noy> wtf
20121020 17:19:47< noy> all good]see you there
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20121020 17:44:54< irker160> wesnoth: alarantalara * r55557 /trunk/data/core/macros/side-utils.cfg:
20121020 17:44:54< irker160> Replace hard-coded side with {SIDE}, based on forum comment
20121020 17:45:10< lipkab> fendrin: Nice UI would be nice, naturally, I just wanted to indicate that it takes more than "restoring the good old state", since it has never been working properly.
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20121020 17:47:28< irker160> wesnoth: jamit * r55558 /trunk/src/ (attack_prediction.cpp actions/attack.hpp unit_abilities.cpp):
20121020 17:47:29< irker160> Make the calculation of swarm attacks more robust in case of future changes.
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20121020 18:05:35< fendrin> lipkab: Well, removing the "shuffle sides" feature fixes the 800x600 resolution on 1.10.
20121020 18:11:55< fendrin> lipkab: Fixing the 800x480 is another issue.
20121020 18:17:50< lipkab> I'm thinking about using half-column wide sliders on low resolutions. That would save a lot of vertical space.
20121020 18:17:57< lipkab> fendrin: ^
20121020 18:18:45< lipkab> Shrinking the "Name of game" entry horizontally would be useful, too.
20121020 18:18:49< irker160> wesnoth: jamit * r55559 /branches/1.10/src/actions.cpp:
20121020 18:18:49< irker160> Add a safety check to prevent the game hanging (maybe crashing) because of
20121020 18:18:50< irker160> unsupported WML (specifically, setting a swarm_min above swarm_max).
20121020 18:20:35< lipkab> ...and, if nothing helps, we could also get rid of the dialogue title.
20121020 18:20:59< irker160> wesnoth: jamit * r55560 /trunk/ (src/actions/attack.hpp changelog):
20121020 18:21:00< irker160> Add support for swarm_min being greater than swarm_max.
20121020 18:21:00< irker160> This allows the [swarm] special to increase the number of
20121020 18:21:01< irker160> attacks as health decreases.
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20121020 18:24:57< fendrin> lipkab: Honestly, I can't see how you can repair the gui. Just start wesnoth with -r 800x480 and have a look what you need to do.
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20121020 18:30:15< ivanovic_pandora> lipkab: it would be great if you tried the interfae in 800x480
20121020 18:30:34< ivanovic_pandora> getting that one to work nicely would be cool
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20121020 18:32:39< fendrin> ivanovic_pandora: To be fair, it was already broken in 800x480 for 1.8.
20121020 18:34:13< ivanovic_pandora> fendrin: doesn't mean that improving it in general is not worth a try
20121020 18:34:16< ivanovic_pandora> ;)
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20121020 18:35:36< fendrin> ivanovic_pandora: Well, I marked it a blocker. We will definitely have to find a working solution for 1.12 in my opinion.
20121020 18:35:52< ivanovic_pandora> yeah
20121020 18:36:54< fendrin> ivanovic_pandora: I suggest to remove zarroth's shuffle feature (only the gui element, the code can stay in until better times) to fix it at least for 800x600 on 1.10 an do another release for that branch.
20121020 18:39:15< fendrin> ivanovic_pandora: For fixing it on 800x480 I suggest to remove the lobby+chat borders. It is nice to have the possibility to chat during game creation but it shouldn't be strictly necessary.
20121020 18:41:24< ivanovic_pandora> fendrin: no idea what the best approach will be
20121020 18:44:20< fendrin> ivanovic_pandora: I will ask at #wesnoth-mp for an opinion.
20121020 18:45:11< irker160> wesnoth: jamit * r55561 /trunk/src/reports.cpp:
20121020 18:45:11< irker160> No need to use floating point division to tell if one int is greater than another.
20121020 18:45:12< ivanovic_pandora> okay
20121020 18:48:59< ivanovic_pandora> i can also directly ask noy...
20121020 18:50:37< fendrin> ivanovic_pandora: Regarding the gui issue? Please do so.
20121020 18:51:38< lipkab> The chat feature should be preserved imho, players use it a lot.
20121020 18:52:10< fendrin> lipkab: Well, I do not want to remove it entirely of course. Just during the game creation dialog.
20121020 18:53:22< lipkab> I mean, they use it a lot on the game creation screen.
20121020 18:54:40< lipkab> Hmmm, no, that's not the game creation screen what I'm thinking about...
20121020 18:55:22< lipkab> It's actually the one after that.
20121020 18:55:45< ivanovic_pandora> fendrin: i remember that in the old days with dev games we used the chat for the exact setup
20121020 18:56:03< fendrin> lipkab: But I think you are right. It is nice to ask the possible players what adjustments they want. Still, I see no other easy solution.
20121020 18:56:45< fendrin> ivanovic_pandora: Yes, I am aware that the feature is missed.
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20121020 18:56:51< fendrin> would be
20121020 18:57:40< fendrin> ivanovic_pandora, lipkab: But just have a look at which huge amount of space needs to be saved to make it work again.
20121020 18:57:57< ivanovic_pandora> right
20121020 18:58:55< fendrin> ivanovic_pandora: If you use trunk and not 1.10 it is even much worse.
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20121020 19:02:20< irker160> wesnoth: jamit * r55562 /trunk/ (players_changelog src/reports.cpp changelog):
20121020 19:02:20< irker160> Include damage specials in the sidebar.
20121020 19:02:31< lipkab> fendrin, ivanovic_pandora: http://imagebin.org/232616
20121020 19:02:58< lipkab> It's still not enough for 800x480, but it's something.
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20121020 19:05:56< fendrin> ivanovic_pandora: I can make a third dialog, only for the options.
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20121020 19:10:27< lipkab> Shall I tell you who makes the worst routers on Earth?
20121020 19:10:36< lipkab> It's Huawei.
20121020 19:14:02< ivanovic_pandora> fendrin: might make sense for lowres to have an extra dialog
20121020 19:17:46< fendrin> ivanovic_pandora: Okay, I will work on it.
20121020 19:22:12< ivanovic_pandora> fendrin: thabks
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20121020 20:30:59< shadowm> ivanovic_pandora, fendrin : It's not a blocker.
20121020 20:31:15< shadowm> It's been a known issue for long enough and you know it.
20121020 20:31:53< shadowm> Far more important (security!) issues have been ignored and now this border case is a blocker?
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20121020 20:36:46< fendrin> shadowm: I wasn't aware of it until yesterday. And as far as I know broken gui is a blocker for a stable release. I wonder that especially you speak for broken gui stuff in stable versions.
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20121020 20:42:26< shadowm> Yes, 1.10.
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20121020 20:47:04< shadowm> loonycyborg: I asked you some stuff while you were about to time out last night.
20121020 20:47:26< loonycyborg> What was it about?
20121020 20:50:12< shadowm> 02:17 <shadowm> loonycyborg: I just realized that this is the first explicit use of the boost::exception class in Wesnoth.
20121020 20:50:16< shadowm> 02:21 <shadowm> Okay, I couldn't find any Boost library other than Boost exception including files of the form boost/exception*
20121020 20:50:23< shadowm> 02:21 <shadowm> here.
20121020 20:50:24< shadowm> 02:22 <shadowm> So... that sounds like a dependency change.
20121020 20:50:43< loonycyborg> It's a header-only lib
20121020 20:51:00< shadowm> Yes, but what does this mean for packagers?
20121020 20:51:11< shadowm> My only reference is Debian, which appears to bundle all the header-only libraries in a single package.
20121020 20:51:15< loonycyborg> No distro in its right mind will have it as a separate package :P
20121020 20:52:06< shadowm> Right. Is there some official requirement in that regard?
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20121020 20:53:04< lipkab> fendrin, ivanovic_pandora: http://imagebin.org/232638 Here's what I've done, or are you committed to do the separate dialog thing?
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20121020 20:56:06< loonycyborg> I'm not aware of any
20121020 20:56:24< fendrin> lipkab: Where is the "set password" button?
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20121020 20:58:37< lipk> fendrin: Hmmm, right, I forgot about that (it's not shown in local).
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20121020 20:59:04< lipkab> That's another ~15 pixels.
20121020 20:59:41< lipkab> ...however, we have lots of empty pixels at the top.
20121020 20:59:44< fendrin> lipkab: If you fix that last thing I would like to see that commited. I might still need to go after a separate dialog to make mp campaign starting happen.
20121020 21:00:05< lipkab> Okay.
20121020 21:00:55< lipkab> And anyways, the layout might be a still too tight for some languages.
20121020 21:01:33< fendrin> That is true. But having it working in English is surely a step in the right direction. 
20121020 21:02:33< shadowm> loonycyborg: Yeah, that's kind of a problem for backporting.
20121020 21:02:57< fendrin> lipkab: village gold and village support should be in one row or in one column, but not how it is in your screenshot.
20121020 21:03:29< lipkab> All right.
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20121020 21:08:55< shadowm> The victory screen's formatting on 1.10 when handling multiple human-controlled players is horrible: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/21371130/screenshots/victory-mess.png
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20121020 21:22:38< fendrin> shadowm: Indeed, the text is grouped wrong.
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20121020 22:22:24< irker160> wesnoth: jamit * r55563 /trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs):
20121020 22:22:25< irker160> Include all weapon specials in the number of attacks shown in the sidebar, not
20121020 22:22:26< irker160> just swarm (bug #20118).
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20121020 22:44:02< irker160> wesnoth: lipk * r55564 /trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
20121020 22:44:03< irker160> Fix MP game creation dialog for resolutions 800x600 and 848x480. Fixes bug #19651
20121020 22:44:16< lipkab> fendrin, ivanovic_pandora: ^
20121020 22:45:58< fendrin> lipkab: Thank you very much :-)
20121020 22:47:55< lipkab> Oh cool, it doesn't apply for 1.10 :/
20121020 22:48:21< lipkab> Then that has to wait until tomorrow.
20121020 22:48:45< lipkab> Goodbye.
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20121020 22:49:46< irker160> wesnoth: jamit * r55565 /trunk/src/reports.cpp:
20121020 22:49:47< irker160> Use a reference when a value may not be NULL.
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