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20121021 04:21:51< irker160> wesnoth: ai0867 * r55566 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 3 dirs):
20121021 04:21:51< irker160> Replace some cast-to-string,lexical-cast-back with to_int and the like
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20121021 07:22:20< Sapient> AI0867: I was curious why you converted radius to double then to size_t with r55566
20121021 07:26:16< Sapient> shouldn't it be to_int() instead?
20121021 07:26:41< Sapient> or to_int(0)
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20121021 11:20:47< fendrin> hi boucman
20121021 11:22:15< boucman> hey
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20121021 11:59:29< boucman> wesbot: seen mordante
20121021 11:59:29< wesbot> boucman: The person with the nick mordante last spoke 4d 13h ago.  4d 13h ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth-de with the message: Quit: Leaving
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20121021 12:02:10< boucman> jamit: around ?
20121021 12:02:29< boucman> faabumc: you might be able to answer too
20121021 12:02:34< boucman> https://gna.org/patch/?3525
20121021 12:02:43< boucman> should this be closed ?
20121021 12:02:50< boucman> apparently the patch was applied
20121021 12:03:55< faabumc> boucman, do you want me to test it?
20121021 12:04:38< boucman> well, it's your patch IIUC, so I hope you tested it before submitting :P
20121021 12:05:09< boucman> AI0867: same question with patch 3537 https://gna.org/patch/?3537
20121021 12:05:11< faabumc> from reading the commit, it is ok
20121021 12:05:22< boucman> k
20121021 12:06:25< faabumc> boucman, have you had a chance to check the list of patches I sent?
20121021 12:06:35< boucman> i'm doing it right now
20121021 12:07:17< faabumc> ok, thank you
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20121021 14:35:30< irker540> wesnoth: fendrin * r55567 /trunk/src/multiplayer_create.cpp:
20121021 14:35:30< irker540> Rearanged the gui elements in the multiplayer create dialog.
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20121021 15:47:09< AI0867> Sapient: it's stored as a double, so retrieving it as a double eliminates unnecessary casts.
20121021 15:47:44< AI0867> retrieving it as an int could cause the int to overflow
20121021 15:48:08< AI0867> casting it back to unsigned should fix that, but still...
20121021 15:48:58< AI0867> boucman: I was assuming the same protocol as with bugs
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20121021 16:47:48< ivanovic_pandora> moin
20121021 16:53:12< ivanovic_pandora> noy: am in the lobby already
20121021 16:53:25< ivanovic_pandora> (in case you are again lying in bed)
20121021 16:53:28< ivanovic_pandora> ;)
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20121021 17:03:52< ivanovic_pandora> noy: first bus is already here
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20121021 19:10:39< fendrin> hi lipkab
20121021 19:10:53< fendrin> lipkab: I have done another something to the create dialog.
20121021 19:11:08< lipkab> Hi fendrin. What is that?
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20121021 19:11:41< fendrin> lipkab: Well, I grouped all those items which depend on the "use map settings" one being disabled together.
20121021 19:12:00< fendrin> lipkab: And some spacing changes.
20121021 19:15:41< lipkab> fendrin: Did you change 1.10, too, or just trunk?
20121021 19:16:41< fendrin> lipkab: Only trunk.
20121021 19:17:39< lipkab> Okay, then I'll take care to backport those to 1.10 as well.
20121021 19:20:42< fendrin> lipkab: Cool, thank you. 
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20121021 19:31:45< fendrin> hi shadowm
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20121021 19:37:02< fendrin> wesbot: seen crab_?
20121021 19:37:02< wesbot> fendrin: The person with the nick Crab_ last spoke 3d 3h ago.  3d 2h ago person left:
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20121021 19:47:46< irker067> wesnoth: shadowmaster * r55568 /trunk/changelog:
20121021 19:47:46< irker067> Update changelog to account for r55274 and r55523
20121021 19:50:05< irker067> wesnoth: shadowmaster * r55569 /branches/1.10/changelog:
20121021 19:50:06< irker067> Update changelog to account for r55524
20121021 19:51:23< irker067> wesnoth: shadowmaster * r55570 /trunk/changelog:
20121021 19:51:23< irker067> Actually, relocate those two changelog entries from r55568
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20121021 19:54:26< fendrin> hi noy
20121021 19:55:09< noy> hey
20121021 19:56:18< fendrin> shadowm: Do you have an opinion about or do you want to get involved in the gui design for starting MP campaigns?
20121021 19:57:07< shadowm> Nah.
20121021 19:57:12< fendrin> Oh
20121021 19:57:24< fendrin> :-(
20121021 19:59:03< shadowm> I don't play MP, so I'm probably the worst person to judge any UI elements related to that aspect. That said, I'll still be watching for obvious mistakes.
20121021 19:59:52< fendrin> Well, I am still stuck in the planning phase. There are very much different aspects involved and I can thing of dozens of ways to get there.
20121021 20:00:05< fendrin> s/thing/think
20121021 20:04:48< ancestral> fendrin, shadowm: Wasn't there a UMC author who was working on GUI MP stuff?
20121021 20:05:17< shadowm> I have no idea about UMC authors besides myself.
20121021 20:05:44< fendrin> ancestral: On the C++ side of the world?
20121021 20:06:08< ancestral> vultraz?
20121021 20:06:19< ancestral> fendrin: With Lua I thought
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20121021 20:07:07< fendrin> ancestral: This is about the mp lobby + mp create screen to support multiplayer campaigns. I don't think you can do anything with lua at that stage.
20121021 20:07:09< shadowm> Yes, I think vultraz does silly stuff like inventories and character stat dialogs using the Lua GUI2 bindings.
20121021 20:07:33< shadowm> That's gameplay-land.
20121021 20:07:54< ancestral> fendrin: I see. I read "gui design and mp campaigns"
20121021 20:08:29< fendrin> Well, I just write my ideas down here. Usually someone has a good idea.
20121021 20:09:11< zookeeper> who added RECALL_AI_SIDE?
20121021 20:09:28< lipkab> fendrin: I was think that a button could be added above the maps menu to toggle between simple maps and campaigns, the minimap to be abused to display an image for campaigns and, since you wnated to go with a two-dialog approach, the area above the minimap could be cleaned of buttons and used for campaign descriptions.
20121021 20:09:42< lipkab> *wanted
20121021 20:10:21< zookeeper> fendrin, looks like you did, so: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=540379#p540379
20121021 20:10:23< lipkab> (And multiplayer scenarios actually have descriptions as well)
20121021 20:10:34< zookeeper> i see nothing which would stop the recall attempts once all castle tiles are filled
20121021 20:10:41< lipkab> s/area above the minimap/under
20121021 20:11:42< lipkab> I can't build 1.10+svn, by the way.
20121021 20:12:12< shadowm> lipkab: What's the problem with it?
20121021 20:13:09< lipkab> shadowm: This: http://pastebin.com/JzghEddc
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20121021 20:13:55< fendrin> zookeeper: Indeed, I hadn't such things in mind.
20121021 20:14:05< shadowm> lipkab: Okay, that sounds familiar.
20121021 20:14:20< shadowm> Are you really at HEAD?
20121021 20:15:01< fendrin> lipkab: I thought about another "MP Campaign" button at the right of the "Create" button.
20121021 20:15:08< shadowm> What I did here aparently was switching to gcc 4.6 for 1.10 because I didn't want to disable strict builds.
20121021 20:15:18< lipkab> shadowm: I am.
20121021 20:16:16< shadowm> Because IIRC someone argued that it was gcc 4.7's fault.
20121021 20:18:44< lipkab> shadowm: Ok thanks, I'll try clang then (downgrading gcc doesn't seem to be a that trivial here).
20121021 20:19:37< shadowm> I didn't downgrade gcc. I still use 4.7 for trunk.
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20121021 20:20:18< lipkab> fendrin: It sounds like a kinda big duplication to me.
20121021 20:20:29< shadowm> They are just installed together and I can choose which one I want to use when building.
20121021 20:28:51< jamit> boucman: Around now. When are patches supposed to be closed?
20121021 20:29:16< boucman> jamit, AI0867, sorry I didn't mean closed
20121021 20:29:21< boucman> I meant marked as done
20121021 20:29:47< boucman> and they are, I am not really awake today, apparently
20121021 20:30:21< jamit> Does your body even know what "day" is? :)
20121021 20:31:19< jamit> lipkab: That warning in terrain_translation.cpp was spotted earlier in trunk. An extra initialization was added to keep the compiler happy.
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20121021 20:31:42< fendrin> lipkab: The campaign interface is pretty much different to the create one.
20121021 20:33:16< lipkab> fendrin: How would the campaign interface would look like, then?
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20121021 20:55:07< fendrin> lipkab: Well, I am still not sure.
20121021 20:55:37< fendrin> It needs the name and the observers interface elements.
20121021 20:55:59< lipkab> ...and the era selection.
20121021 20:56:08< fendrin> A button for changing the campaign. And one for changing the difficulty.
20121021 20:56:28< fendrin> eras don't make much sense regarding mp campaigns.
20121021 20:56:56< lipkab> There *are* mp campaigns whith changeable eras.
20121021 20:57:00< lipkab> *with
20121021 20:57:19< fendrin> Yeah, I know.
20121021 20:58:45< fendrin> Those are quite different.
20121021 20:58:54< lipkab> I don't think we should get rid of existing options just because we think that they doesn't make sense.
20121021 20:59:22< lipkab> *don't
20121021 20:59:25< fendrin> Wait.
20121021 21:00:18< fendrin> Let's take LoW as an example.
20121021 21:01:27< fendrin> Every side and leader has a recruit list assigned, thus assigning eras and choosing a faction with a certain leader does not make any sense, right?
20121021 21:01:55< lipkab> Right.
20121021 21:02:36< fendrin> The new gui is for that purpose, starting just a campaign, one that does not offer choices.
20121021 21:04:27< fendrin> A mp campaign that is more in the classic era/faction/leader world of MP can still be started through the create game dialog, the old interface is okay for them.
20121021 21:05:30< lipkab> "MP Campaign" is quite decieving then, since it accesses only a subset of mp campaigns.
20121021 21:06:32< lipkab> I think it'd be a better approach to give more control to campaigns over the gui elements, i.e. they could indicate the the era is "locked" and disable the relevant widget.
20121021 21:07:10 * shadowm looks at today's MP create UI changes.
20121021 21:07:25< fendrin> shadowm: Thanks.
20121021 21:09:16< shadowm> Okay, I hadn't realized the positioning of the "Use map settings" option was completely wrong before.
20121021 21:10:16< shadowm> Now let's look at this on 800x480.
20121021 21:10:45< shadowm> Hm.
20121021 21:11:26< fendrin> There is still a little space wasted on the right. 
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20121021 21:11:39< shadowm> So cramped.
20121021 21:12:04< shadowm> Yeah, of course it can't be helped.
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20121021 21:12:13< fendrin> Indeed, it is very crowded.
20121021 21:12:36< fendrin> shadowm: Well, a second screen in between could solve the problem.
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20121021 21:13:41< shadowm> That's been proposed before but I'm not sure it's worth it seeing as how most people are on 1024x768 or larger.
20121021 21:14:33< shadowm> I like the new layout on 1024x768 and larger, too.
20121021 21:15:11< shadowm> Wait, larger than *x600.
20121021 21:15:43< shadowm> lipkab: r55564 introduces a couple of variables that are never modified. Ideally that kind of thing should be const.
20121021 21:16:19< lipkab> shadowm: Indeed.
20121021 21:16:57< shadowm> Taking const references from return-by-value functions when you won't manipulate the value later is also food.
20121021 21:17:38< fendrin> lipkab: I like to reuse the new gui2 campaign selection dialog. And the new gui2 difficulty selection dialog. Thus the gui for MP Campaigns has no use for a scenario/campaign list and no use for the minimap.
20121021 21:17:45< shadowm> Yes, it is delicious, magnificent food.
20121021 21:17:54< shadowm> Very nutritious.
20121021 21:19:34< shadowm> lipkab: But yeah, the problem with your criterion is that the larger layout doesn't work on 800x601.
20121021 21:20:12< shadowm> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/21371130/screenshots/wesnoth-800x601.png
20121021 21:20:25< shadowm> fendrin too.
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20121021 21:21:08< lipkab> Oh heck. How could I forget about 800x601 users!
20121021 21:21:17< shadowm> Window resizing.
20121021 21:21:59< shadowm> And it is a border case nevertheless. 900x700 also looks wrong.
20121021 21:22:17< lipkab> To tell the truth, I didn't calculate anything, I just calibrated the criteria to match the two "official" low resolutions.
20121021 21:23:19< shadowm> 1024x720 also looks wrong, and that's the resolution I normally use when I don't want to keep Wesnoth maximized.
20121021 21:23:58< shadowm> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/21371130/screenshots/wesnoth-1024x720.png
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20121021 21:25:06< shadowm> Yeah, it helps to keep in mind that it is possible for Wesnoth's window to be arbitrary sized above 800x480 and that there are legitimate reasons to use non-standard sizes.
20121021 21:29:26< fendrin> lipkab: bool low_vres = resolution.second < 768; does better
20121021 21:33:38< AI0867> boucman: I marked the one I did as done, not the other
20121021 21:34:53< boucman> AI0867: yeah, don't worry about it, it was me not reading the bug correctly
20121021 21:38:08< irker067> wesnoth: fendrin * r55571 /trunk/src/multiplayer_create.cpp:
20121021 21:38:09< irker067> Made the create dialog working for resolutions between 600 and 768 vertical resolution.
20121021 21:38:09< irker067> Slightly more space between the groups of gui elements.
20121021 21:38:10< fendrin> shadowm: ^
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20121021 21:52:30< shadowm> fendrin: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/21371130/screenshots/wesnoth-1024x720-2.png
20121021 21:52:55< shadowm> You do use -w -r XXXXxYYYY to test, right?
20121021 21:55:40< shadowm> In case it isn't obvious: to the left of the game name box.
20121021 21:56:46< lipkab> shadowm: Yeah, that I'm aware of that.
20121021 21:57:08< lipkab> I couldn't find
20121021 21:57:38< lipkab> * a way to dinamically hide the title in layout_children
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20121021 22:01:50< lipkab> shadowm: Oh not, the problem is elsewhere in this case.
20121021 22:02:50< fendrin> lipkab: element.hide()
20121021 22:03:45< lipkab> fendrin: I tried that.
20121021 22:04:38< lipkab> fendrin: The problem is, once that set_location gets called on a widget, it just doesn't want to obey to hide() anymore.
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20121021 22:20:02< irker067> wesnoth: lipk * r55572 /branches/1.10/src/ (multiplayer_ui.cpp multiplayer_ui.hpp multiplayer_create.cpp):
20121021 22:20:03< irker067> Backport 55564 and 55567
20121021 22:20:16< shadowm> Uh.
20121021 22:21:09< lipkab> Huh?
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20121021 22:21:22< shadowm> How about we don't backport incomplete/broken fixes?
20121021 22:22:22< lipkab> Partial fixes, you mean.
20121021 22:22:32< shadowm> Incomplete/broken fixes.
20121021 22:23:47< fendrin> lipkab: The bug is strange. Sometimes I can't see the title of the dialog no matter what resolution.
20121021 22:23:48< shadowm> Such as the above.
20121021 22:24:01< fendrin> Sometimes It is always there but broken.
20121021 22:24:11< fendrin> And sometimes it seems to work properly.
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20121021 22:27:18< lipkab> shadowm: Name me something I broke.
20121021 22:27:35< shadowm> You backported both your commit and fendrin's.
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20121021 22:28:17< lipkab> shadowm: Not fendrin's latest, which made the title misbehave at some resolutions.
20121021 22:28:31< lipkab> fendrin: r55571 is the murderer.
20121021 22:28:33< shadowm> That does not mean it wasn't already broken.
20121021 22:29:58< lipkab> fendrin: You didn't adjust the constructor call's argument at multiplayer_create:58 to the higher low_vres value.
20121021 22:29:58< fendrin> lipkab: Well, 55571 is a must since you need to support 600-768 somehow.
20121021 22:30:34< fendrin> I see. Do you commit the fix, lipkab?
20121021 22:30:49< shadowm> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/21371130/screenshots/wesnoth-800x601.png
20121021 22:30:59< shadowm> Er, wrong link.
20121021 22:31:06< shadowm> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/21371130/screenshots/wesnoth-800x601-3.png
20121021 22:31:33< shadowm> (Incidentally, translations still exist.)
20121021 22:33:23< lipkab> shadowm: That does not apply, since it has been broken before.
20121021 22:33:53< lipkab> It wasn't messed up with the backported rev.
20121021 22:33:57< lipkab> *by
20121021 22:34:05< fendrin> Well, let's not argue anymore about the issue. Let's get the thing fixed in both relevant branches.
20121021 22:34:17< shadowm> lipkab: I said "incomplete/broken".
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20121021 22:34:31< lipkab> shadowm: And I said "partial".
20121021 22:34:37< shadowm> If you prefer, I can embolden incomplete.
20121021 22:35:21< shadowm> Perhaps I should elaborate on the semantics of the forward slash found right between those two words, too.
20121021 22:36:00< lipkab> So you think standard resolutions should not be fixed because, it doesn't work nicely on random resolutions.
20121021 22:36:22< shadowm> They are not random resolutions.
20121021 22:36:44< fendrin> lipkab: Am I assuming right, that the dialog's title "Create Game" is not shown anymore on purpose at low resolutions?
20121021 22:36:59< lipkab> fendrin: Yes.
20121021 22:37:18< shadowm> I am not saying it should not be fixed either. I am saying that it should not be backported until the situation is properly addressed in trunk first.
20121021 22:37:21< fendrin> Okay, then I think fixing line 58 did solve the problem.
20121021 22:37:38< lipkab> fendrin: Ok thanks.
20121021 22:38:11< fendrin> lipkab: Well, not quite. The Title is not restored when switching to higher resolutions again.
20121021 22:38:45< lipkab> fendrin: Yes, that is the static hiding problem.
20121021 22:38:54< fendrin> lipkab: And it is also not removed when you switch to a lower one.
20121021 22:39:12< lipkab> fendrin: And that is also the static hiding problem.
20121021 22:39:41< fendrin> Well, fine that the bug has a name. Is there a bug report for it?
20121021 22:39:45< lipkab> You have to re-instantiate the mp::create object to make that happen.
20121021 22:41:40< fendrin> Okay, thus you call it an engine bug and we need to live with it?
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20121021 22:46:44< lipk> shadowm: The purpose was to have the Game Creation screen display nicely on standard resolutions, in English.
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20121021 22:46:45< lipkab> That is fulfilled, isn't it?
20121021 22:47:56< shadowm> Yes, but exactly why can't you have both?
20121021 22:48:13< shadowm> Should I explain again why it's perfectly reasonable to not use a standard resolution?
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20121021 22:51:50< fendrin> shadowm: The problem is not resolution anymore, we are down to resizing problems.
20121021 22:52:32< shadowm> I have not checked out trunk again yet, only 1.10.
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20121021 22:54:20< shadowm> I started trunk on 1024x720 and I still see the overlapping labels issue.
20121021 22:54:25< lipkab> shadowm: Because the appropriate bug was marked as a blocker and calibrating those values could have required (and still could require) more testing.
20121021 22:54:35< shadowm> I did not resize the window at any moment since start-up.
20121021 22:54:42< shadowm> lipkab: It was not meant to be a blocker.
20121021 22:54:43< irker067> wesnoth: fendrin * r55573 /trunk/src/multiplayer_create.cpp:
20121021 22:54:43< irker067> Another fix for resolutions between 600 and 768 in the create mp game dialog.
20121021 22:54:55< fendrin> shadowm: ^
20121021 22:55:00< shadowm> I had downgraded it from Blocker (5) to Important (5) before, but somebody went and undid that.
20121021 22:55:26< shadowm> I know it's tempting to consider every single pet bug a blocker, but man.
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20121021 22:56:22< lipkab> The relevant part here is that I saw people who wanted that stuff fixed asap.
20121021 22:56:44< shadowm> Yes, I am aware of that and it didn't make much sense to me.
20121021 22:56:45< lipkab> ...so I backported that *partial* fix.
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20121021 22:56:54< shadowm> Namely because I had been complaining about it since ages.
20121021 22:57:07< shadowm> I am certain the relevant party was well aware of the issue too.
20121021 22:57:53< lipkab> And I still don't understand what your problem really is, since the 1.10 GUI got better.
20121021 22:58:02< shadowm> It's a matter of workflow.
20121021 22:58:04< lipkab> Not perfect, but better.
20121021 22:59:57< shadowm> fendrin: Yeah, now I can see why you said it's now a resize issue.
20121021 23:00:44< shadowm> The overlapping labels occur again if I switch from 1280x800 fullscreen to < *x768 windowed and continue resizing the window down from there.
20121021 23:01:21< shadowm> That is, during the same instance of the MP create UI.
20121021 23:02:19< shadowm> That's not too important, though. Resize glitches are incredibly common, even in GUI2.
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20121021 23:12:40< lipkab> fendrin: I'm going to leave now, but I'd like to talk with you a bit more about the mp campaign-gui thing somewhen. I have a rather different concept of it.
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20121021 23:16:27< irker067> wesnoth: shadowmaster * r55574 /trunk/data/core/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
20121021 23:16:27< irker067> Add minimap 72x72 tile icons for the diagonal Plank Bridge terrains
20121021 23:16:28< irker067> Fixes a bunch of warnings during editor usage, such as:
20121021 23:16:28< irker067> Detected an image with bad dimensions: terrain/bridge/planks-sw-ne.png: 90x108
20121021 23:16:29< irker067> It will not be masked, please use: 72x72
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20121021 23:38:55< anonymissimus> wesbot: bug #12050 
20121021 23:38:56< wesbot> Bug #12050  Assigned to: Eric S. Raymond <esr>  Status: Fixed  Priority: 5 - Normal
20121021 23:38:59< wesbot> Summary: Different leader names in game/status table
20121021 23:39:02< wesbot> Original submission: Leader's names given in the status table (Alt+s) are diff
20121021 23:39:05< wesbot> erent from actual leader unit's name (shown in sidebar under the unit's image wh
20121021 23:39:08< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?12050
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