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20121022 00:02:48< boucman> yay : devroom@fosdem in febuary :)
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20121022 00:04:32< anonymissimus> jamit: what's better about using a reference instead of a pointer if it cannot be NULL ?
20121022 00:05:12< anonymissimus> (not that I think you shouldn't do it :))
20121022 00:05:19< shadowm> Semantic unambiguity.
20121022 00:07:19< jamit> anonymissimus: It's a coding standard in the wiki: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/CodingStandards#Use_references_when_a_value_may_not_be_NULL
20121022 00:07:43< anonymissimus> I know
20121022 00:08:03< jamit> Plus, I was thinking of making a change to that function and I did not like the idea of dereferencing a pointer without first checking that it is not NULL.
20121022 00:08:06 * AI0867 just noticed there's a variable game_config::cache_compression_level
20121022 00:08:11< anonymissimus> so that means, if one sees a reference, one knows that that value can't be NULL ?
20121022 00:08:19< AI0867> it configures the gzip compression level for the WML cache
20121022 00:08:29< AI0867> and it's equal to the default gzip compression level
20121022 00:08:39< AI0867> so, it's not very useful
20121022 00:08:50< AI0867> (it's not user configurable)
20121022 00:08:50< anonymissimus> while otherwise it might be and can't be seen just by inspecting the code
20121022 00:09:22< jamit> A reference is basically a pointer that cannot be NULL.
20121022 00:10:07< jamit> If a parameter is a pointer, you should check that it is not NULL before dereferencing it (to be totally correct).
20121022 00:10:38< jamit> A parameter that is a reference can be safely used without the check for being NULL.
20121022 00:10:51< anonymissimus> mostly that causes a crash anyway
20121022 00:11:32< jamit> Crash == bad :)
20121022 00:11:59< anonymissimus> a crash is good...it makes obvious that something's wrong
20121022 00:13:04< anonymissimus> okay thanks, question answered
20121022 00:13:14< shadowm> Dereferencing a NULL pointer should cause an immediate access violation/segmentation fault, but calling a struct or class type's method (or taking the address of a member) that way may actually lead to other kinds of issues without an immediate crash.
20121022 00:14:22< shadowm> In such case, it's all good and fine (deceivingly so) until a member is dereferenced, and that might happen much later during execution or too deep within the call stack to be able to guess what's going on at first glance.
20121022 00:14:48< jamit> Meh, it's a standard adopted by the project. There are other ways to handle the situation, but Wesnoth's stated standard is to use references.
20121022 00:15:12< jamit> I would not say it is the only good standard, but it is a good one.
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20121022 00:18:30< jamit> Hmm... I think bug #19826 is an example of what shadowm is talking about.
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20121022 01:06:20< AI0867> since when is space broken?
20121022 01:06:22< jamit> Found a pair of undocumented WML features that maybe should be changed.
20121022 01:06:49< AI0867> neither ctrl-space nor space work
20121022 01:06:51< jamit> Apparently abilities can have [filter_adjacent] and [filter_adjacent_location] tags.
20121022 01:07:15< ivanovic_pandora> short note: open source gamedev devroom at fosdem2013 accepted!
20121022 01:07:18< jamit> AI0867: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?20251
20121022 01:07:35< jamit> I think F5 not working also fits the same bug.
20121022 01:09:55< jamit> An ability's [filter_adjacent] and [filter_adjacent_location] tags take an adjacent= key specifying directions. Each direction must be matched. However, since you can have multiple [filter_adjacent]'s, it would be more useful if any one of the locations must be matched.
20121022 01:10:14< jamit> (I do not see a way to say "or" with the current setup.)
20121022 01:11:16< jamit> Would that change make sense? Since it is undocumented, could it just be changed without a transition period?
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20121022 01:15:42< AI0867> there's also something where if my command is interrupted, it frequently gets broken
20121022 01:15:51< AI0867> that is, I click an enemy to attack it
20121022 01:16:02< AI0867> some message pops up and recenters the screen
20121022 01:16:24< jamit> Haven't seen that. What message?
20121022 01:16:29< AI0867> and the command is now a moveto to where my mouse is relative to the moved screen
20121022 01:16:35< AI0867> any message
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20121022 01:17:15< jamit> You mean something like https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?20250 ?
20121022 01:17:45< jamit> There does seem to be some bad interactions with the new "select a hex" feature.
20121022 01:18:30< jamit> But that doesn't recenter the screen, I think. Hmm...
20121022 01:19:00< AI0867> yeah, I'm not sure what the point of the select a hex feature is...
20121022 01:19:20< AI0867> it just shades the screen whenever I click somewhere, which is annoying
20121022 01:19:35< jamit> After you select a hex, you are supposed to click the unit to move there.
20121022 01:22:06< AI0867> and what's the point of that?
20121022 01:24:37< jamit> Not sure. You get to see which units can reach that hex this turn? I've tried the feature a few times, but haven't really found it particularly useful yet.
20121022 01:25:18< AI0867> that's what ctrl-b/v are for
20121022 01:26:13< jamit> ctrl-b/v doesn't show where your own units can go, and they only give a count of units that can reach each hex.
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20121022 01:26:27< AI0867> right
20121022 01:26:49< AI0867> so I guess it might be useful for forming a line
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20121022 02:01:07< irker067> wesnoth: jamit * r55575 /trunk/src/unit_abilities.cpp:
20121022 02:01:14< irker067> Clean up documentation of ability WML.
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20121022 03:03:21< faabumc> CTRL-space does not end turn in trunk 55556 
20121022 03:04:13< faabumc> on GNU/linux, SDL 1.2.7
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20121022 03:08:22< AI0867> faabumc: there's a bug report about it
20121022 03:08:35< AI0867> 01:07 < jamit> AI0867: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?20251
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20121022 08:41:20< Rhonda> Ivanovic: I'm uncertain, but yes, a host that wouldn't randomly reboot would be a great idea. ;)
20121022 08:42:09< Rhonda> And if it would be an additional one, it should be at a different location.
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20121022 10:26:33< irker067> wesnoth: lipk * r55576 /trunk/src/multiplayer_create.cpp:
20121022 10:26:33< irker067> "Village Support" -> "Village support", so that the case matches everything else on that screen.
20121022 10:44:05< irker067> wesnoth: lipk * r55577 /trunk/src/multiplayer_create.cpp:
20121022 10:44:05< irker067> Make some non-modified variables const.
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20121022 16:19:22< ivanovic_pandora> moin
20121022 16:22:19< boucman_work> hey ivanovic_pandora welcome back
20121022 16:26:31< ivanovic_pandora> not back yet, still in sunnyvale
20121022 16:28:26< boucman_work> :) ok
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20121022 19:30:00< Nephro> Hi, mattsc, how are you
20121022 19:31:38< mattsc> Hi, Nephro.  Things here are good, just busy as always.  How about yourself?
20121022 19:33:05< Nephro> I'm fine, finally got internet. I'm working on an assessed exercise now, since the due date is soon. I want to work on wesnoth afterwards. Any new problems, bugs, issues, requests, besides the filters?
20121022 19:37:39< mattsc> Glad to hear that.  No, no new requests for code at this time, but I am wondering whether you have a page somewhere that summarizes all the changes you have made to the AI during the summer.
20121022 19:38:29< Nephro> I don't
20121022 19:38:56< mattsc> Could you put one together somewhere then?  It doesn't have to be detailed, but I keep forgetting half of it and it would be good to have that documented for others as well.
20121022 19:39:12< mattsc> Just a brief bulleted list would be enough, IMO.
20121022 19:39:18< Nephro> It was a lot of small things from different areas, but I could try doing that
20121022 19:40:47< mattsc> That would be great, thanks.
20121022 19:41:03< mattsc> Otherwise I'll keep bugging you over and over again with the same questions.  :)
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20121022 20:48:31< mordante> servus
20121022 20:48:51< mordante> boucman, boucman_work you were looking for me?
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20121022 21:58:49< mordante> I'm off night
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20121022 23:36:39< boucman> mordante: nothing important
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