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20121027 00:42:37< irker806> wesnoth: espreon * r55610 /branches/1.10/ (8 files in 7 dirs):
20121027 00:42:37< irker806> Updated the Ukrainian translation.
20121027 00:47:24< irker806> wesnoth: espreon * r55611 /trunk/ (8 files in 7 dirs):
20121027 00:47:25< irker806> Updated the Ukrainian translation.
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20121027 01:27:54< irker806> wesnoth: espreon * r55612 /trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
20121027 01:27:55< irker806> Added the Scottish Gaelic overlay for the main map file.
20121027 01:34:41< irker806> wesnoth: espreon * r55613 /branches/1.10/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
20121027 01:34:41< irker806> Added the Scottish Gaelic overlay for the main map file.
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20121027 03:03:49< fendrin_> shadowm: I fixed the bug that haunted me that long. It was a wml problem, I could have searched in the c++ code until next year's Xmas. Writing the bug report (which I didn't finished) helped me to recognize my mistake. Thus I have to thank you again :-) 
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20121027 04:32:56< shadowm> Someone must get working on a high-resolution map of the Great Continent ASAP or I'll keep complaining about it every single day from now.
20121027 04:33:31< shadowm> (Just got my first 1920x1080 screen ever.)
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20121027 04:48:44< Gambit> a vector version would be great
20121027 04:48:49< Gambit> for marketing porpoises
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20121027 07:01:49< fendrin_> shadowm: Is the already existing one that bad?
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20121027 08:32:05< zookeeper> shadown, i am
20121027 08:33:10< zookeeper> currently planning on the maps being 1280x960, and then pestering someone to fix the title screen so that the map would stay centered and unscaled
20121027 08:34:39< zookeeper> sneak peek, very very much WIP: http://imagebin.org/233337
20121027 08:34:52< zookeeper> and the area i'm currently planning on covering: http://imagebin.org/233412
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20121027 09:20:38-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.11.1 planned for 27.10.2012 | 185 bugs, 333 feature requests, 15 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20121027 11:23:00< timotei> fendrin_: So, somebody is actually using the UMC IDE :D (http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=30880&sid=033b33bc2c8b730557af804539977187&p=540653#p540653)
20121027 11:24:32< Ivanovic> fendrin_: regarding map size: just use the jpg file and scale it up to e.g. 1920x1080 or even more, if possible
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20121027 11:25:11< timotei> Yupii. Migration from Windows to Linux done in like 5 minutes (firefox thunderbird xchat and pidgin :D)
20121027 11:25:39< Ivanovic> :)
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20121027 12:40:15< fendrin_> Ivanovic: I don't think that this is a good idea.
20121027 12:44:55< Ivanovic> fendrin_: just to see why a high res version (or vector version) is required
20121027 12:53:20< Ivanovic> [08:48:29] <shadowm> [04:32:56] Someone must get working on a high-resolution map of the Great Continent ASAP or I'll keep complaining about it every single day from now.
20121027 12:53:23< Ivanovic> [08:48:31] <fendrin_> [07:01:49] shadowm: Is the already existing one that bad?
20121027 12:55:11< fendrin_> Ivanovic: There is a high resolution map worked on in a forum thread. I have used a part of it for my personal copy of Wesnoth already, because I couldn't stand the horrible scaling of the current one anymore.
20121027 12:56:01< fendrin_> My question to shadowm was referring to that already existing high resolution map. 
20121027 13:00:54< Ivanovic> wasn't clear to me
20121027 13:01:13< fendrin_> Ivanovic: Do you want a link?
20121027 13:01:23< Ivanovic> no need to
20121027 13:14:09< AI0867> regarding blockers, I believe observing MP campaigns is currently broken
20121027 13:14:28< AI0867> faabumc knows more about this
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20121027 13:21:53< Ivanovic> outsch, that would be really bad
20121027 13:21:58< Ivanovic> should wait for him to join
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20121027 14:10:36< irker528> wesnoth: fendrin * r55614 /trunk/src/ (hotkeys.cpp hotkey_preferences_display.cpp hotkeys.hpp):
20121027 14:10:36< irker528> Fixing the bugs:
20121027 14:10:37< irker528> bug #20252
20121027 14:10:37< irker528> bug #20251
20121027 14:10:38< irker528> bug #20249
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20121027 14:13:56< fendrin_> Ivanovic: ^
20121027 14:15:53< fendrin_> Ivanovic: Please wait a little, I still need to test some things.
20121027 14:16:15< Ivanovic> fendrin_: currently writing some wesnoth related mails anyway
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20121027 14:40:24< Ivanovic> hi faabumc
20121027 14:40:42< Ivanovic> faabumc: AI0867 mentioned there might be an issue with mp campaign observing currently being broken
20121027 14:40:51< Ivanovic> is this correct and should it block the release of 1.11.1?
20121027 14:42:34< faabumc> Ivanovic, yes. Bug 20262 prevent observer beyond scenario 2
20121027 14:42:55< Ivanovic> relevant enough to make it a blocker or not?
20121027 14:42:57< Ivanovic> your call
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20121027 14:44:25< faabumc> Not sure what is a blocker. MP campaign are not a lot on 1.11. As a MP player I think 20250 is more a blocker.
20121027 14:45:30< faabumc> Ivanovic, that is basically a mis-move every game at least
20121027 14:45:48< Ivanovic> fendrin_: since 20250 is assigned to you, any news about that one?
20121027 14:49:07< faabumc> Hi Ayne, I see you inherited from my bug reports :|
20121027 14:49:51< Ayne> Hi faabmuc, yes
20121027 14:50:19< faabumc> Ayne, feel free to ask if something is not clear
20121027 14:50:55< faabumc> I hope I made no mistake wheni dentifying your commits :S
20121027 14:52:32< Ayne> faabumc, I did make quite a few changes to that part of the engine, so it's quite likely that the bug is my fault ;) For now your reports seem quite clear to me, but I'll let you know if there's anything I need to know, thanks
20121027 14:54:04< faabumc> Ayne, MP campaign is quite frontier territory. Bugs are easy to miss in there :)
20121027 14:56:53< Ivanovic> hmm, i see several folks in here without a cloak...
20121027 14:57:19< Ivanovic> Akihara, Ayne, faabumc: since you all are wesnoth developers, are you interested in getting an irc cloak for freenode showing this?
20121027 14:58:08< faabumc> help cloak
20121027 14:58:09< Ivanovic> would then be something like ~NICKNAME@wesnoth/developer/gna-nick
20121027 14:58:38< Ivanovic> faabumc: basically a cloak would hide your ip address and show the project connection instead
20121027 14:58:53< faabumc> sure :)
20121027 14:58:56< Ivanovic> when you join i get to see this: [14:27:34] --> faabumc hat den Kanal betreten (~vcr@117.136.31.18).
20121027 14:59:20< Ayne> sure, sounds good :)
20121027 14:59:21< faabumc> sure hiding would be good
20121027 15:00:10< Ivanovic> jamit: ^
20121027 15:00:21< Ivanovic> jamit: you are of course also in the list of people who could get a cloak
20121027 15:06:26< Ivanovic> vultraz: you can also have the cloak!
20121027 15:06:48 * Ivanovic has really been sloppy over the last month with offering irc cloaks
20121027 15:07:04< Ivanovic> so many people got added as developers and i forgot offering the cloaks...
20121027 15:08:12< Ivanovic> ejls: you are also on that list...
20121027 15:08:39< Ivanovic> btw the requirement for getting a cloak is that your nick is registered at nickserv
20121027 15:14:43< vultraz> don't you also have to be in the Developers group on the forums?
20121027 15:16:09< Soliton> freenode is not linked to our forum.
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20121027 15:17:21< Ivanovic> faabumc, Ayne: okay, will ask for your cloaks now, don't be scared if a freenode guy asks you if you really want it
20121027 15:19:10< Ivanovic> vultraz: so you want one, too?
20121027 15:19:26< vultraz> sure :)
20121027 15:19:30< Ivanovic> vultraz: and you don't have developer access in the forums?
20121027 15:19:42< Ivanovic> please talk to shadowm about this since you do have commit access...
20121027 15:20:11< vultraz> will do
20121027 15:20:34< Ivanovic> faabumc: please register your nick at nickserv, otherwise you can't get an account
20121027 15:20:38-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.11.1 planned for 27.10.2012 | 186 bugs, 333 feature requests, 15 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20121027 15:21:36< Ivanovic> faabumc: [15:20:51] <Fuchs> Since the account is not registered, if the person currently under that nick is the person you are talking about, you can point him at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup or /msg nickserv help register  for the short version
20121027 15:22:33< faabumc> Ivanovic, reading it now. Thanks!
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20121027 15:23:57< Ayne> Got the cloak, cheers :)
20121027 15:24:20< Ivanovic> :)
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20121027 15:27:08< faabumc> Ivanovic, I think I am all set
20121027 15:27:20< Ivanovic> faabumc: then you should have the cloak shortly, too
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20121027 15:35:35< faabumc> Ivanovic, it is all good. Thanks!
20121027 15:37:37< Ivanovic> great!
20121027 15:38:05< Ivanovic> another task on my wesnoth checklist for today can be checked of
20121027 15:38:39-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.11.1 planned for 27.10.2012, delayed due to MP bugs | 186 bugs, 333 feature requests, 15 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20121027 15:45:19< Soliton> fendrin_: it'd be awesome if your commit messages covered more than 1% of the changes in the commit.
20121027 15:46:33< Soliton> fendrin_: and more importantly it'd be great if you could seperate bug fixes from random code reformatting and make those individual commits.
20121027 16:02:19< irker528> wesnoth: ivanovic * r55615 /trunk/ (910 files in 30 dirs):
20121027 16:02:20< irker528> pot-update
20121027 16:02:20< irker528> regenerated doc files
20121027 16:09:22< irker528> wesnoth: ivanovic * r55616 /branches/1.10/ (279 files in 28 dirs):
20121027 16:09:23< irker528> pot-update (changed/new strings in wesnoth, -httt and -utbs)
20121027 16:09:24< irker528> regenerated doc files
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20121027 16:15:33< Ivanovic> due to trunk not being in releasable state right now i think i am done with my wesnoth tasks for the moment
20121027 16:17:55< loonycyborg> Do you plan another stable release?
20121027 16:20:02< Ivanovic> there might be one mid november
20121027 16:20:22< Ivanovic> since IIRC there was something mentioned which might make sense for backporting
20121027 16:20:53< Ivanovic> some whiteboard and mp campaign related stuff
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20121027 17:55:07< gabba> Hey al
20121027 17:55:29< gabba> all* :P
20121027 17:55:43< Espreon> Hello.
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20121027 18:09:14< Espreon> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?20268 ... Enjoy
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20121027 18:11:31< zookeeper> urgh. localization is such a huge mess.
20121027 18:11:58< Espreon> Quite.
20121027 18:16:13< Soliton> doesn't sound like that is in wesnoth's scope.
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20121027 18:21:15< Espreon> Soliton: Then what do you propose be done?
20121027 18:25:09< Soliton> fix the system locale.
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20121027 18:25:35< Espreon> And some languages will never get locales for the platforms we "support".
20121027 18:26:24< AI0867> Soliton: the locales are maintained by people who have even stronger opinions about the 12-hour clock than me
20121027 18:26:28< fendrin_> There was also the request to translate hotkeys like "space" or "shift".
20121027 18:26:30< Espreon> Indeed.
20121027 18:26:41< Espreon> (to AI0867's statement)
20121027 18:27:50< loonycyborg> The locale system exists solely so that projects such as wesnoth wouldn't need to translate that stuff and duplicate the effort among themselves.
20121027 18:28:22< Espreon> Then those who maintain it should stop acting the way they do.
20121027 18:28:30< Espreon> (But that's never going to happen)
20121027 18:29:01< loonycyborg> Pretty sure you can still provide your custom locales too.
20121027 18:29:14< loonycyborg> Even have the distros to package them.
20121027 18:29:42< Espreon> And what about users of systems that don't let you make or use custom locales?
20121027 18:30:06< loonycyborg> Do those actually exist?
20121027 18:31:19< Espreon> Windows, perhaps. (It'd probably at least be a PITA to make/use custom locales on that)
20121027 18:32:00< loonycyborg> Lack of such customization would render it useless in many places..
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20121027 18:34:10< Soliton> is bug 20251 fixed for anyone?
20121027 18:35:20< Espreon> loonycyborg: Render what useless?
20121027 18:38:27< loonycyborg> Windows
20121027 18:40:08< Espreon> Sounds about right.
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20121027 18:45:54< AI0867> Soliton: not for me
20121027 18:46:02< AI0867> fendrin_: bug 20251 is not actually fixed
20121027 18:46:38< fendrin_> AI0867: ctrl+space doesn't end your turn?
20121027 18:46:41< AI0867> nope
20121027 18:46:49< AI0867> that's with SVN head
20121027 18:50:19< Soliton> bug 20252 does not appear fixed either.
20121027 18:57:38< fendrin_> Ivanovic: Soliton and AI0867 are right. I did something seriously wrong while testing.
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20121027 19:18:19< AI0867> fendrin_: the hex selection is also rather annoying
20121027 19:18:41< AI0867> I can see a usecase, but for a simple left click, it's way too obtrusive
20121027 19:18:53< AI0867> maybe move it to double-click or something like that?
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20121027 19:19:52< irker649> wesnoth: espreon * r55617 /trunk/po/ (11 files in 11 dirs):
20121027 19:19:52< irker649> Updated the Galician translation.
20121027 19:21:36< irker649> wesnoth: fendrin * r55618 /trunk/data/core/hotkeys.cfg:
20121027 19:21:36< irker649> Removed duplicate entry for the "editor-update-transitions" hotkey.
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20121027 19:36:48< anonymissimus> loonycyborg: did you cope with updating the mingw build system ?
20121027 19:37:45< loonycyborg> Not yet. I was planning to do that when Ivanovic releases.
20121027 19:39:20< irker649> wesnoth: espreon * r55619 /branches/1.10/po/ (wesnoth/gl.po wesnoth-httt/gl.po):
20121027 19:39:20< irker649> Updated the Galician translation.
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20121027 19:58:03< jamit> Ivanovic: About the cloak: sure, why not.
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20121027 20:02:18< shadowm> zookeeper: It's shadowm with an m as in 'master'. Otherwise I don't get highlighted, and I usually don't read the full logs.
20121027 20:02:33< zookeeper> oops, typoed.
20121027 20:02:34< shadowm> Ivanovic: No, upscaling is what is already done.
20121027 20:02:59< shadowm> Ivanovic: Ah never mind, you were explaining that to fendrin.
20121027 20:11:57< zookeeper> shadowm, so, anyway, my plan is to be able to take crops of more or less arbitrary size of the huge continental map, but standardize on a single resolution for those
20121027 20:13:15< zookeeper> so for liberty i'd get a close-in crop of the area surrounding elensefar, for HttT the same as the current map, for EI one that shows the eastern lands a bit more, etc
20121027 20:13:50< zookeeper> (of course, for each crop you'd still need to manually place the labels and towns and roads, but that's not a biggie)
20121027 20:17:42< zookeeper> ...and i think 1280x960 is a good size to standardize on
20121027 20:25:03< shadowm> Displays supporting larger resolutions have become rather commonplace though.
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20121027 20:29:40< zookeeper> sure, but as i said the title screen shouldn't then stretch anymore.
20121027 20:30:14< zookeeper> and even on 1980x1200 (which i think is the biggest commonly used single-screen res) a 1280x960 would fit pretty nicely with only empty space on the sides
20121027 20:30:39< zookeeper> well, notable empty space anyway
20121027 20:31:36< zookeeper> s/1980/1920
20121027 20:32:36< fendrin_> zookeeper, shadowm: Regarding the titlescreen dialog, I would like to see it using a part of a huge 2000+ resulution map centered around Weldyn if possible to avoid scrolling (without scrolling, showing only the fitting part).
20121027 20:32:53< fendrin_> s/scrolling/scalling
20121027 20:34:10< zookeeper> well what i'd really like is a really huge map of the whole continent, with the camera slowly scrolling to random locations :p
20121027 20:35:47< zookeeper> but since we're probably not going to get _that_, i'd settle for a slideshow of various maps
20121027 20:37:31< fendrin_> zookeeper: Well, I like the idea and it seems doable. We could make it a gsoc project for example.
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20121027 21:03:22< lipkab> fendrin_: Or a GCI project :P
20121027 21:03:43< fendrin_> lipkab: Yeah, shouldn't be such a big thing.
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20121027 23:13:31< Espreon> Ugh... the variations-in-help-system prototype.
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20121027 23:14:38< irker421> Updated the Galician translation.
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20121027 23:32:03< Soliton> fendrin_: what's the plan regarding the hotkey breakage and the left-click feature?
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