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20121023 00:18:16< blarumyrran> oh, wrong channel
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20121023 18:22:11< Necrosporus> I have a question. Why in DiD two necromancers were unable to read the book together instead?
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20121023 20:10:49< Necrosporus> I have a question. Why in DiD two necromancers were unable to read the book together instead? And were Malin quite right when trying to get the book back by force?
20121023 20:11:24< Necrosporus> Volk trained him, he helped to find the book, so it would be nearly equal exchange
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20121023 20:36:28< shadowm> I see two questions, not one, and the answer to the first one is so obvious it'd be plain embarassing for me to provide it.
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20121023 20:43:38< Necrosporus> shadowm, ok, two questions. Is the answer Volk didn't want Malin to became as powerful as he?
20121023 20:44:53< shadowm> No, the answer is that there'd be no source of conflict at that point of the story otherwise.
20121023 20:45:03< shadowm> There, I won't answer any more questions.
20121023 20:48:28< Necrosporus> But the situation should be considered not from "there should be a conflict in any cost" pov, but rather "why would one do that if he were a real necromancer"
20121023 20:49:08< Necrosporus> shadowm, this answer fits for both questions, but it's not about the pov I meant when asking them
20121023 20:49:12< shadowm> Have you heard about selfishness before?
20121023 20:51:20< Necrosporus> So if Volk is so selfish, it would mean what I assumed just before: "Volk didn't want Malin to became as powerful as he"... or maybe "he didn't care for Malin anymore so he didn't want to waste time while he reads the book and didn't think Malin could actually defeat him"
20121023 20:53:22< shadowm> No, he never cared.
20121023 20:54:02< shadowm> Obviously he just knew he would've been unable to pull off that stunt alone, so he got a young apprentice and intended to discard him as soon as possible.
20121023 20:54:23< shadowm> If he had a brain he'd have killed him instead.
20121023 20:55:01< shadowm> Okay, granted, that is one possibility at the end of the indoors scenario sequence, but it leads to defeat.
20121023 20:57:15< zookeeper> if you want to pick a plothole, you could ask why volk needed such a complicated long-term plot to get the book. sure in the time it takes to train malin (which IIRC takes at least over a year) he could have found other means to get it by himself.
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20121023 21:48:33< Necrosporus> >  that is one possibility at the end of the indoors scenario sequence, but it leads to defeat.
20121023 21:48:55< Necrosporus> What's that about? 
20121023 21:49:09< Necrosporus> How to get Malin killed by Volk?
20121023 21:52:06< shadowm> It is possible for him to reach the exit first. "As he heads into the tunnel Darken Volk collapses its entrance, leavi
20121023 21:52:10< shadowm> ng Malin to be captured and executed by the city guards."
20121023 21:54:53< Necrosporus> There's a bug in troll shaman, though I'm unsure, maybe that's due addons
20121023 21:55:11< Necrosporus> Troll Shaman have different appearance when standing and fighting
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20121023 21:57:38< Necrosporus> Yeah, addons
20121023 21:59:28< zookeeper> does the add-on break the appearance of the mainline shaman?
20121023 21:59:50< zookeeper> if so, which add-on is that?
20121023 22:02:45< Necrosporus> $ grep -r id=Troll\ Shaman add-ons 
20121023 22:02:46< Necrosporus> add-ons/fat-dons/The_Sojournings_of_Grog/units/Troll_Shaman_TSoG.cfg:    id=Troll Shaman TSoG
20121023 22:03:13< Necrosporus> fat-dons thing was temp dir I used to disable addons to check if it was mainline bug
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20121023 22:09:23< zookeeper> hmh, okay
20121023 22:11:48< Necrosporus> But custom units are already inside #ifdef CAMPAIGN_THE_SOJOURNINGS_OF_GROG
20121023 22:12:10< Necrosporus> So it possibly mainline bug, not addon's
20121023 22:12:43< Necrosporus> Though maybe it's not quite this addon
20121023 22:12:53< Necrosporus> Id differs
20121023 22:17:05< Necrosporus> It is Ageless Era
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20121023 22:23:17< Necrosporus> zookeeper, that was Ageless Era
20121023 22:23:31< Necrosporus> now I'm trying to locate which unit breaks the shaman
20121023 22:28:32< zookeeper> what wesnoth version is this?
20121023 22:28:49< Necrosporus> 1.10.4
20121023 22:29:44< Necrosporus> ~/.local/share/wesnoth/1.10/data/add-ons/Ageless_Era/images/units/trolls/shaman.png
20121023 22:30:04< Necrosporus> If I move this file away, shaman appearance restores to normal
20121023 22:30:23< zookeeper> okay
20121023 22:30:34< zookeeper> ageless is known to break stuff, but i thought they fixed that a long time ago
20121023 22:31:16< celticminstrel> Probably because the shortened path of that troll is identical to the shortened path of the mainline troll.
20121023 22:32:56< Necrosporus> And because Ageless era _main.cfg defines binary_path twice
20121023 22:33:40< Necrosporus> One in #ifdef multiplayer
20121023 22:38:10< Necrosporus> I got an error about "Skel archer is too expensive to recruit" while watching other player's replay of mainline campaign
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20121023 22:39:54< Necrosporus> zookeeper, 1) should I report Ageless Era bug myself? 2) What should I do with out of sync error in mainline replay? It is possibly another bug.
20121023 22:40:38< Necrosporus> I can just ignore it, but to investiage would be better
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20121023 22:40:55< zookeeper> yeah, report it in their thread preferably
20121023 22:41:09< zookeeper> they've had the same problem before and it's inexcusable if they'äre still doing it
20121023 22:42:07< Necrosporus> error replay: unit 'Skeleton Archer' is too expensive to recruit: 14/13
20121023 22:42:14< Necrosporus> That's another thing probably
20121023 22:42:19< Necrosporus> What can I do with it?
20121023 22:42:20< zookeeper> and WRT replay out of sync... eh, i don't remember. this is still in DiD, i presume?
20121023 22:42:30< Necrosporus> Yes
20121023 22:42:37< Necrosporus> I can provide the replay
20121023 22:43:08< zookeeper> nah, i can't figure any of this stuff from it, i guess
20121023 22:43:21< zookeeper> gimme a while to check out ageless myself
20121023 22:43:30< zookeeper> might be that it has something to do with it
20121023 22:47:31< zookeeper> eh, ok so i thought it was about the unit's recruit cost changing, but of course it was about you having less gold in the replay than you had when playing, right?
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20121023 22:50:16< Necrosporus> zookeeper, I didn't play that, I got that replay from a friend
20121023 22:51:13< zookeeper> oh, okay. i dunno then. there's been problems with replays for a long time, but i dunno if gold and/or recruiting's been part of it.
20121023 22:52:57< Necrosporus> http://pastebin.com/nAF179c7
20121023 22:53:05< Necrosporus> Wesnoth just crashed with this messages
20121023 22:53:34< Necrosporus> When I tried to load the replay again after getting random out of sync errors
20121023 22:54:15< zookeeper> well, yeah, the replay thinks you had 13 gold whereas you've had more than that when playing, so the archer recruit goes OOS and then everything after that as well.
20121023 22:57:20< zookeeper> btw, i already posted in the ageless era thread so no need for you to do it
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20121023 22:59:31< Necrosporus> zookeeper, you posted it just a second before I wrote the detailed message
20121023 23:00:04< zookeeper> well it doesn't hurt if you post yours, too :p
20121023 23:00:46< Necrosporus> I discarded it
20121023 23:03:26< Necrosporus> zookeeper, there's something wrong with replay. I tried to load it and replay and got a bunch of errors on the first move when used Esc to skip dialogs
20121023 23:03:46< Necrosporus> While when I clicked the screen for each message, that errors didn't appear
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20121023 23:05:45< Necrosporus> Skeleton archer error persist anyways
20121023 23:05:59< Necrosporus> Though there's 47 gold in the gold indice
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20121023 23:07:09< Necrosporus> I saved the game as replay asked there's just 13 gold
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