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20121106 08:17:47-!- Topic for #wesnoth-de: *Deutschsprachiger* Wesnoth-IRC-Kanal | http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/GermanTranslation | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org
20121106 08:17:47-!- Topic set by Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] [Mon Apr  5 23:02:08 2010]
20121106 08:17:47[Users #wesnoth-de]
20121106 08:17:47[ AI0867] [ elias  ] [ fendrin_] [ lobby ] [ wesbot] 
20121106 08:17:47[ apoi  ] [ Espreon] [ Ivanovic] [ Rhonda] 
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20121106 08:17:48-!- Home page for #wesnoth-de: www.wesnoth.org/wiki/GermanTranslation
20121106 08:17:53-!- Channel #wesnoth-de created Tue Jan 27 06:28:41 2009
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20121106 17:57:04< AI0867> http://support.google.com/googleplay/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=2462844
20121106 17:57:44 * AI0867 considers buying one using a german prepaid credit card and shipping it to someone who attends fosdem
20121106 18:13:28< Ivanovic> AI0867: which nexus?
20121106 18:14:48< AI0867> the 4
20121106 18:15:12< AI0867> they're 300 and 350 euros in the play store
20121106 18:15:19< elias> oh, i want a nexus 4
20121106 18:15:24< AI0867> LG was planning to sell them for 550 in spain
20121106 18:15:29< AI0867> until the retailers pulled the plug
20121106 18:15:35< elias> really sad they dont sell them here
20121106 18:16:01< elias> else id have preordered already
20121106 18:21:40< Ivanovic> i guess you should wait till the nexus 4 is actually available, then the prices should be on/below the play store prices
20121106 18:23:41< elias> here we dont even have a play store :(
20121106 18:24:17< AI0867> Ivanovic: doubt it. From what I've heard, this is pretty much at cost
20121106 18:24:24< AI0867> possibly even subsidied
20121106 18:25:20< elias> it's strange how it is a lot cheaper than the galaxy nexus was
20121106 18:25:38< elias> (typing from that right now)
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20121106 18:42:47< Ivanovic> AI0867: i don't think it is subsided
20121106 19:08:00< Ivanovic> that is there is at least one german shop listing for the same price as the google store
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20121106 21:05:51< mordante> servus
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20121106 21:41:10< AI0867> Ivanovic: then why is it 60% more expensive in some countries?
20121106 21:46:09< elias> is there any customs within the EU?
20121106 21:46:35< elias> if not you could just have someone buy it on Google Play and send it (for just the €15 or so shipping within EU)
20121106 21:47:18< elias> but yeah, it's really bad here, we have no Google Play so the only way to buy it would be the expensive price
20121106 21:58:35< AI0867> elias: there shouldn't be
20121106 21:59:46< Ivanovic> AI0867:  it is not available yet for buying, so, uhm, what numbers are you using?
20121106 21:59:57< AI0867> my current phone is apparently worth 150-300 euros, depending on the state
20121106 22:00:10< AI0867> Ivanovic: the announced prices
20121106 22:05:26< Ivanovic> AI0867: i don't trust announced prices until you can actually order for the price and until the stores do actually have it in stock
20121106 22:07:14< AI0867> november 13th...
20121106 22:08:54< AI0867> supposedly authoritative site about "what to expect": Google hasn’t said anything official yet but at this point, we don’t expect the release of the LG Nexus 4 to fall outside of the month of Octobe
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20121106 22:29:32< Ivanovic> at geizhals.at/de there is only one shop listed yet
20121106 22:30:21< Ivanovic> so those numbers and values can not say much yet
20121106 22:35:11< AI0867> US prices are supposedly $299 and $349
20121106 22:38:33< elias> so would be like €250
20121106 22:42:54< Ivanovic> elias: plus taxes!
20121106 22:43:05< elias> oh
20121106 22:43:13< elias> yeah, i guess US prices are usually without
20121106 22:43:14< Ivanovic> us prices are always without VAT
20121106 22:46:38< AI0867> elias: on US stuff you always have to pay import
20121106 22:47:03< elias> of course, buying in the US wouldn't be a good idea
20121106 22:47:34< AI0867> I ordered an RPi at allied electronics for $35, had to pay $30 for shipping and another 20 EUR to the postman
20121106 22:47:37< elias> (unless you're there already and can just take it home)
20121106 22:47:49< AI0867> after complaining about that, they refunded $30 on my creditcard though
20121106 22:48:03< elias> yeah, I made a similar experience, EUR 70 customs fees for a used device :(
20121106 22:48:28< elias> it has "0" as value, but they used the price of the new device
20121106 22:48:31< elias> *had
20121106 22:48:55< elias> and i think complaining wouldn't help here :P
20121106 22:49:35< AI0867> so write to the freaking customs office
20121106 22:50:24< Ivanovic> if you can make them believe a lower price, you just pay customs on that one
20121106 22:50:32< Ivanovic> but '0' sounds too unrealistic
20121106 22:50:49< Ivanovic> so if you e.g. have some bill (ebay or whatever) for it, then you can claim the low price
20121106 22:51:23< elias> i see
20121106 22:52:58< AI0867> I have a story from a reviewer who got mailed a book and had to pay 20 euros
20121106 22:53:20< AI0867> 10 euros customs, 10 euros "filing and processing fee" of the carrier
20121106 22:53:32< AI0867> he didn't actually ask for the book
20121106 22:53:53< Ivanovic> ah, there it actually gets interesting...
20121106 22:54:18< Ivanovic> then he should have declined accepting the shipment
20121106 22:54:21< Ivanovic> ;)
20121106 22:54:58< Ivanovic> heading off to bed now, n8
20121106 22:58:10< AI0867> he considered doing that, but reviewing books is one of the things he does
20121106 22:59:15< AI0867> his main complaint wasn't the customs (although he considered it stupid that they were calculating it over the full price), but the fact that the carrier charged an equal amount for reporting and charging it
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