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20121109 03:42:15< Sapient> yo mattsc 
20121109 03:42:55< Sapient> I noticed that the SingleUnitWML page on the wiki makes no mention of the [ai] subtag
20121109 03:42:58< mattsc> yo Sapient
20121109 03:43:06< Espreon> I'm too old for this.
20121109 03:43:49< mattsc> Hold on, confused.  You can add the [ai] tag to a unit?
20121109 03:44:04< Sapient> looking at the source code for unit.cpp, I see that it supports the following attributes: formula, loop_formula, and priority
20121109 03:44:26< Sapient> it also supports the child tag of [vars]
20121109 03:44:29< mattsc> Espreon: yeah, fortunately I am so much younger than you!
20121109 03:44:59< Espreon> Yes, this is good.
20121109 03:45:30< Sapient> Espreon: too old for what?
20121109 03:45:41< Espreon> For "yo".
20121109 03:45:59< Sapient> ah, you should know by now that it's my thing
20121109 03:46:07< mattsc> Sapient: ok.  Still trying to catch up ...
20121109 03:46:09< Espreon> I know, I know.
20121109 03:46:12< Espreon> But still.
20121109 03:46:39< Sapient> although one time I got a coworker who became very, very angry at me for being addressed this way
20121109 03:46:50< Espreon> Really?
20121109 03:47:24< Sapient> yes. he was in a more senior position than I, and he was black. so I think he took it as a racial thing
20121109 03:48:12< Espreon> Ah, I see.
20121109 03:48:16< Sapient> although he was so angry that I didn't try to explain that I was always addressing people this way in IM
20121109 03:48:57< Espreon> Race, religion, and politics... the three ills.
20121109 03:49:03< Sapient> and now I must slay this giant spider in my room
20121109 03:49:19< mattsc> Sapient: I have to run off in a few minutes (for the next 30 min or so).  I still don't quite follow you.
20121109 03:49:44< Espreon> Sapient: Drown it in liquid poison.
20121109 03:49:48< Espreon> ... or smash it with a hammer.
20121109 03:49:50< Sapient> it looks almost as big as a tarantula
20121109 03:50:02< Espreon> ... a runic hammer.
20121109 03:50:34< mattsc> I once shooed (sp?) a tarantula onto my hand and carried it outside.  That was in shadowm's country.
20121109 03:51:07< Sapient> you are a braver man than I
20121109 03:51:41< Sapient> although one time I did grab a rather large snake with my bare hands
20121109 03:51:41< mattsc> I forgot, I was probably showing off...
20121109 03:51:55< mattsc> cool
20121109 03:52:05< mattsc> Anyways, I still don't understand how the [ai] tag goes inside [unit]
20121109 03:52:10< Sapient> I was staying at an old house and I got up to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night
20121109 03:52:23< Sapient> and there was this huge snake lying right in the hallway
20121109 03:52:42< Sapient> it tried to slither into a hole in the side wall
20121109 03:53:01< Sapient> so I grabbed it by the tail because I did not want that thing to be lying in wait while I slept
20121109 03:53:24< Sapient> mattsc: I think it's specific to formula ai
20121109 03:53:42< Espreon> (AKA voodoo)
20121109 03:53:44< Sapient> there is some incomplete documentation about it on the formula AI page
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20121109 03:54:52< mattsc> Sapient: hmm, ok.  Most of my knowledge about all this comes from retro-engineering, so if there's something I should look into, I can do that.
20121109 03:55:10< mattsc> But you need to give me a starting point...
20121109 03:55:46< Sapient> well, I just looked into it because you said on the forum that a goal can't be unit specific
20121109 03:56:03< Sapient> and I remembered that there is support for [ai] within unit
20121109 03:56:14< Sapient> but that's as far as I got
20121109 03:56:33< mattsc> Ok, I was not aware of that.  That would be cool.
20121109 03:56:39 * shadowm does not approve of Espreon's suggestions.
20121109 03:57:12< mattsc> I know that you can set BCAs and attach them to units, but that is different from goals
20121109 03:58:06< Sapient> ok, I guess I will mention the [ai] tag on the SingleUnitWML page and someone who knows more can fill it in later
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20121109 03:58:49< mattsc> Sapient: thanks for pointing this out.  I'll try to play with it a little and see what I can figure out.
20121109 03:58:53< Sapient> I tried your AI demo on 1.11 and it was very fun
20121109 03:59:05< mattsc> :)
20121109 03:59:06< Sapient> but the white mage attacked the orcs in melee
20121109 03:59:16< Sapient> and died a horrible death
20121109 03:59:24< mattsc> Do you know which version of AI-Demos you played?
20121109 03:59:35< Sapient> no but it was fairly recent
20121109 03:59:45< Sapient> I can check
20121109 03:59:55< mattsc> Pre v0.11.5 had a bug that manifested itself through that in 1.11.0
20121109 04:00:05< mattsc> Only in 1.11.0, it worked with all other version.
20121109 04:00:10< mattsc> versions
20121109 04:00:17< Sapient> version.txt says 0.11.4
20121109 04:00:38< mattsc> Yeah, that's the one with the bug then.  Sorry.  0.11.5 has that fixed.
20121109 04:00:43< Sapient> ok thanks
20121109 04:01:01< Sapient> have fun, cya later
20121109 04:01:06< mattsc> take care
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20121109 04:12:41< mattsc> Actually, this might be a question for this channel.  What result _should_ the following code give in Wesnoth 1.11.0 :
20121109 04:12:54< mattsc> :lua wesnoth.compare_versions(wesnoth.game_config.version, ">=", "1.11.0-svn")
20121109 04:14:18< mattsc> I expected this to be true, but it returns false
20121109 04:21:21< shadowm> The current version is +svn, right? Binary order is what matters in that case.
20121109 04:22:36< Alarantalara> 1.11.0 < 1.11.0+svn < 1.11.0-svn
20121109 04:22:38< shadowm> + (0x2B) < - (0x2D)
20121109 04:22:59< Alarantalara> but 1.11.0-svn is actually < 1.11.0
20121109 04:23:19< shadowm> Not as far as my code cares, and I don't intend to change that.
20121109 04:23:26< Alarantalara> so it only happens prior to the first development release in the series
20121109 04:23:27< shadowm> The -svn +svn distinction is stupid to begin with.
20121109 04:25:06< Alarantalara> Neither mattsc or I have any problem with what the code does (right mattsc?), it just happened to not match expectations
20121109 04:25:52< mattsc> shadowm: yep, I really don't mind one way or the other, I just wanted to know what I should expect.
20121109 04:25:55< shadowm> I advise someone sticks a warning in the wiki (since I'm too lazy for that) suggesting comparisons against the first development version instead.
20121109 04:26:14< shadowm> In general I would advise against using those suffixes in version comparisons.
20121109 04:26:39< shadowm> If you need to check for >= 1.11.2+svn, you should really be checking for >= 1.11.3.
20121109 04:27:37< Alarantalara> we should change examples in the wiki then
20121109 04:27:53< Alarantalara> since +svn is in the first one for #ifver
20121109 04:28:28< mattsc> Ok.  It was just one of those unfortunate cases where it caused a rather serious bug.
20121109 04:28:33< shadowm> Similarly, if you really need to check for == 1.11.2+svn, then you are probably trying to provide compatibility for a very specific revisions set between 1.11.2 and 1.11.3, which is most likely a bad idea since most users will be using official releases and SVN users _are_ supposed to update all the time if they want to do anything useful.
20121109 04:29:23< mattsc> What I needed to check was _any_ 1.11 vs _any_ 1.10.  What's the recommended way for that?
20121109 04:29:28< mattsc> > 1.10.9999 ?
20121109 04:29:42< shadowm> >= 1.11.0 and optionally <= 1.13.0
20121109 04:29:48< shadowm> Er, < 1.13.0
20121109 04:30:06< mattsc> Ok.  Thanks.
20121109 04:31:03< mattsc> And yes, I also had a == 1.11.0-svn in there, but that was always temporary (before some of the changes Nephro had made were in a released version)
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20121109 04:32:25< shadowm> That said, I wouldn't be opposed to someone exposing the SVN revision number (with or without L M suffixes) in a WML preprocessor macro if the patch looks good and covers the more general case where the SVN revision number is unknown.
20121109 04:33:10< shadowm> It's just such a tiny segment of the target audience I decided to not spend any time on it back then.
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20121109 04:34:13< shadowm> (The catch is that the WML cache code in charge of defining predefined symbols is a mess.)
20121109 04:34:20< Alarantalara> I've changed the wiki for #ifver. Since I'm feeling lazy, Lua users will have to follow the reference already mentioned to it.
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20121109 10:17:43< boucman_work> anybody knows a little cmake around here ?
20121109 10:21:20< Anakonda> a little yes
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20121109 10:31:41< Anakonda> boucman_work: a little, yes
20121109 10:32:19< boucman_work> Anakonda: do you know how to list the cmake options available ?
20121109 10:32:25 * boucman_work usually builds using scons
20121109 10:33:14< Anakonda> you mean build types? release, debug...
20121109 10:34:29< boucman_work> that, but also low-mem builds etc...
20121109 10:37:04< Anakonda> you can try CMAKE_CONFIGURATION_TYPES
20121109 10:38:48< boucman_work> as in "cmake CMAKE_CONFIGURATION_TYPES" ?
20121109 10:41:05< Anakonda> I normaly use gui in windows
20121109 10:49:05< boucman_work> ok
20121109 10:49:44< Anakonda> boucman_work: cmake . --help-variable CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE
20121109 10:50:57< boucman_work> ok, thx
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20121109 14:55:31< zookeeper> eh. who's worked on persistence and carryover for AI sides?
20121109 14:55:35< zookeeper> (in SP)
20121109 14:58:24< Alarantalara> zookeeper: Ayne did some recently after I reported a bug
20121109 14:59:04< zookeeper> right. i'm just wondering about these SotBE issues: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=538801#p538801
20121109 14:59:14< zookeeper> there's something funny going on with the ally carryover there
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20121109 23:07:18< irker751> wesnoth: shadowmaster * r55659 /trunk/testfile: 
20121109 23:07:18< irker751> wesnoth: Remove a test leftover
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20121109 23:42:31< anonymissimus> shadowm: perhaps you can answer some C++ question ? if I take a reference to an iterator, invalidate it, and do something with the reference, is that valid code ? (perhaps the iterator does something intelligent before it invalidates ?) here's a snippet: http://pastebin.com/hcGZn1rd
20121109 23:43:16< anonymissimus> in the actual code, the int is a class type and I pass it to a function
20121109 23:44:26< shadowm> Undefined behavior, since you are shrinking the vector by one and then dereferencing memory that may have been released already.
20121109 23:44:59< loonycyborg> anonymissimus: I've updated my windows build setup to use bzip2
20121109 23:45:12< loonycyborg> And uploaded the iostreams static lib
20121109 23:45:25< anonymissimus> hm ok that's what I feared...it just looks as if it would work
20121109 23:45:45< loonycyborg> Not sure whether that is the same one as codeblocks setup uses
20121109 23:45:46< shadowm> Even if the iterator could do something intelligent, it can't alter the definition of i which is beyond its control.
20121109 23:46:13< shadowm> References cannot be reassigned like regular pointers.
20121109 23:46:47< loonycyborg> References are the pointer internally though, a pointer into the vector's storage
20121109 23:47:12< loonycyborg> So everything that will invalidate the iterator, will invalidate the reference too
20121109 23:47:54< loonycyborg> libboost_iostreams-mgw45-mt-1_46_1.a is the one
20121109 23:48:21< loonycyborg> libboost_iostreams.a is the one used in cross-compilation, I haven't updated it yet.
20121109 23:48:45< shadowm> Out of curiosity, people use VC++ 2010 for building Wesnoth?
20121109 23:48:53< anonymissimus> loonycyborg: so what did you need to do, only compile that lib ?
20121109 23:49:05< anonymissimus> shadowm: not at the moment
20121109 23:49:10< loonycyborg> Also download and use bzip2
20121109 23:49:36< loonycyborg> And coming up with proper settings for bjam was a struggle, as usual.
20121109 23:49:44< shadowm> I finally got a machine where I might be able to build Wesnoth on Windows on a VM, so I'd like to look into that at some point later.
20121109 23:49:51< anonymissimus> we removed the projectfiles for VC10; I find VC10 slow and unstable
20121109 23:50:21< anonymissimus> timotei, gabba and me use VC9 and that's all I think
20121109 23:50:37< loonycyborg> http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/bzip2.htm
20121109 23:50:49< shadowm> I assume VC++ 2010 is VC10?
20121109 23:50:55< anonymissimus> yes
20121109 23:51:14< anonymissimus> VC9 is 2008 version
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20121109 23:58:01< anonymissimus> loonycyborg: can you give me the url; I thought it was something with /hidden/win
20121109 23:58:26< loonycyborg> http://files.wesnoth.org/hidden/win/libboost_iostreams-mgw45-mt-1_46_1.a
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20121109 23:58:55< anonymissimus> ah without the www ...
20121109 23:58:56< loonycyborg> It is a static lib and the whole app still need to be linked agains bz2
20121109 23:59:01< loonycyborg> *against
20121109 23:59:58< anonymissimus> I don't understand static lib/linking/whatever
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