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20121111 02:45:17 * shadowm stabs AI0867. There's a note attached to the knife.
20121111 02:45:24 * shadowm The note says: https://gna.org/bugs/?13926#comment5
20121111 02:50:11< AI0867> shadowm: I already looked at it, but boost::filesystem v3 is only included in boost 1.44 and higher
20121111 02:50:16< AI0867> debian stable ships with 1.42
20121111 02:51:07< AI0867> http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ <-- and this shows that squeeze may remain the stable version for another year
20121111 02:51:24< AI0867> or half a year, but those graphs are hard to extrapolate
20121111 02:51:53< shadowm> What's the rationale behind using Boost.filesystem?
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20121111 03:02:15< loonycyborg> It makes just creating another mess instead of current mess somewhat less likely LO
20121111 03:02:18< loonycyborg> :P
20121111 03:20:06< AI0867> less need to fuck around with every platform's own quirks
20121111 03:45:17 * AI0867 points at that very bug
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20121111 04:16:07< shadowm> Not that there are a lot of platforms to support.
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20121111 04:57:53< AI0867> windows is nasty enough all by itself
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20121111 07:01:35< shadowm> loonycyborg: Boost.exception requires build-time selection.
20121111 07:01:51< shadowm> I thought you had said it was header-only.
20121111 07:03:11< shadowm> Trying to build Boost 1.50.0 here; I hope iostreams,regex,system,thread,program_options,serialization,exception is enough. Other than exception, I am going by the INSTALL file in trunk.
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20121111 08:52:57< irker392> wesnoth: espreon * r55666 /trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
20121111 08:52:57< irker392> wesnoth: Added the Scottish Gaelic overlay for AOI's map.
20121111 08:54:18< irker392> wesnoth: espreon * r55667 /trunk/data/ (6 files in 6 dirs): 
20121111 08:54:18< irker392> wesnoth: Ran umcpropfix.
20121111 09:00:13< irker392> wesnoth: espreon * r55668 /branches/1.10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
20121111 09:00:14< irker392> wesnoth: Added the Scottish Gaelic overlay for AOI's map.
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20121111 11:36:03< Ivanovic> Alarantalara, mattsc, noy: i created a set of proposed wesnoth gci tasks based on the lua ai list from Alarantalara
20121111 11:46:00< Ivanovic> Alarantalara, mattsc, noy: the task list so far is available at http://gci.copyleftgames.org/
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20121111 14:10:58< loonycyborg> shadowm: Eh? I'm absolutely sure that it's header-only
20121111 14:12:15< loonycyborg> At least it didn't require extra flags for me.
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20121111 14:15:05< loonycyborg> Even on windows where boost is linked statically
20121111 14:20:33< shadowm> Yet it is in the build-time configuration.
20121111 14:25:45< loonycyborg> It's seems to be only required for some feature we're not using..
20121111 14:27:35< loonycyborg> The lib only contains clone_current_exception_non_intrusive.cpp
20121111 14:31:16< loonycyborg> I have /usr/lib/libboost_exception-mt-1_49 and my wesnoth here is linked against boost 1.49
20121111 14:31:38< loonycyborg> According to ldd boost.exception isn't pulled in by runtime linker
20121111 14:31:59< loonycyborg> So were it really needed by something in wesnoth I'd get linker errors.
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20121111 16:02:41< Ivanovic> mattsc: i can send you the xml file and you can create the tasks accordingly
20121111 16:03:11< mattsc> Ivanovich: that might be easier than going back and forth.
20121111 16:03:24< mattsc> A couple general comments though, to see if you agree:
20121111 16:03:45< Ivanovic> mattsc: http://pastebin.com/PGDwWaD0
20121111 16:03:54< mattsc> We decided last time that the documentation should be part of the other two tasks, not a separate one.  There is probably not much documentation to do up front (unless you already know the code in and out).
20121111 16:04:01< Ivanovic> mattsc: and you should use tab for completion, this way you't write my name correctly
20121111 16:04:28< mattsc> Oops, sorry.  I usually do...
20121111 16:04:38< Ivanovic> mattsc: yes, the version i created so far has draft status especially the part about where the documentation should be needs to be specific
20121111 16:04:40< mattsc> I'm not awake yet, I think.
20121111 16:04:51< Ivanovic> also the hours i entered are a placeholder
20121111 16:05:15< Ivanovic> lower values are always possible, so after starting, how much time does the student have for completion
20121111 16:05:28< Ivanovic> it should be somewhere between 24 and 96h
20121111 16:05:51< mattsc> I discussed that with Alarantalara briefly.  These aren't quite trivial tasks and looked "somewhat" more involved than some of the tasks already on the list.
20121111 16:06:22< mattsc> So 72 - 96h might be right, esp. if we merge documentation into them, it's hard to say.
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20121111 16:07:02< irker060> wesnoth: ivanovic * r55669 /trunk/po/ (8 files in 8 dirs): 
20121111 16:07:02< irker060> wesnoth: updated Scottish Gaelic translation
20121111 16:07:04< irker060> wesnoth: ivanovic * r55670 /branches/1.10/po/ (7 files in 7 dirs): 
20121111 16:07:07< irker060> wesnoth: updated Scottish Gaelic translation
20121111 16:07:10< Ivanovic> then 96 should be fine
20121111 16:07:25< lipkab> rand isn't really random in a prestart event.
20121111 16:07:30< lipkab> Just so you know.
20121111 16:09:21< mattsc> Ivanovic:  ok, so I'll merge documentation into the other two tasks, and add the two more complex AIs and send it back to you.
20121111 16:09:43< Ivanovic> mattsc: okay, thanks
20121111 16:10:05< Ivanovic> mattsc: and feel free to change the details and possibly add more information about what is expected for acceptance
20121111 16:10:32< mattsc> Ivanovic: ok, will do.
20121111 16:10:44< mattsc> I can't get to it right now, but should have time in a couple hours
20121111 16:11:46< Ivanovic> no problem
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20121111 17:57:16< irker060> wesnoth: ivanovic * r55671 /branches/1.10/ (107 files in 27 dirs): 
20121111 17:57:16< irker060> wesnoth: pot-update (no new/changed strings)
20121111 17:57:17< irker060> wesnoth: regenerated doc files
20121111 18:06:12< Arc> Ivanovic: mattsc: students can be granted extensions if they need more time, but they'll very often give up a task to accept an easier one if it takes them too long
20121111 18:06:42< Arc> Ivanovic: there was also the idea for a script to remove all almost-transparent pixels from pngs
20121111 18:11:19< mattsc> Arc: the problem I am having with assigning times for the tasks is that it is repetitive.  I can easily see students take 72-96h the first time they do this.  But the next times will probably be much faster.
20121111 18:11:42< mattsc> So if the same student does several, it's an overestimating.  If different students do them, it might be about right.
20121111 18:12:02< mattsc> *overestimation
20121111 18:12:03< Arc> I would give them all 48 hours unless the task is really involved.  then give them an extension if the work they do after 2 days warrants it.
20121111 18:12:23< Arc> if the students get done faster that's fine.  honestly many 48 hour tasks the students finish in an hour or two
20121111 18:12:32< mattsc> Sounds good.
20121111 18:13:02< Arc> 24 hour tasks I generally estimate as taking 30 minutes to an hour at most, things like updating INSTALL file to include an extra dependency on Ubuntu we didn't know about
20121111 18:14:07< Arc> that time isnt an estimate of how long it'll take, its a deadline for the students to show their work for review.  if they don't, the task goes back into the pool for anyone to get.  if they give incomplete work and ask for it, grant an extension, and you can choose how long of an extension at that time
20121111 18:14:09< mattsc> Well, these certainly are a little more involved than that.  But in principle it is repeating something that has been done already for a different AI.
20121111 18:14:29< mattsc> ok
20121111 18:14:41< mattsc> Arc: remind me, can we add tasks as the project goes on?
20121111 18:14:48< Arc> yes.
20121111 18:15:06< Arc> thats a change this year from last.  last year we could only add tasks at the beginning and at halfway through
20121111 18:15:20< mattsc> Ok, what you suggest sounds good then.
20121111 18:16:09< mattsc> I am thinking of the parametrization tasks: if we discover while doing the first parametrization that we'd really add some other parameters, but that that's a lot more work, we could add that as an additional task.
20121111 18:16:42< Arc> yep
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20121111 18:34:40< mattsc> Ivanovic, Arc, noy, Alarantalara: http://pastebin.com/wTPf7s7c
20121111 18:35:01< mattsc> It's a lot of the same, not sure how interesting that is ...
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20121111 20:34:52< irker060> wesnoth: espreon * r55672 /branches/1.10/po/wesnoth-utbs/gl.po: 
20121111 20:34:53< irker060> wesnoth: Updated the Galician translation.
20121111 20:37:21< irker060> wesnoth: espreon * r55673 /trunk/po/wesnoth-utbs/gl.po: 
20121111 20:37:22< irker060> wesnoth: Updated the Galician translation.
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20121111 21:45:53< Ivanovic> mattsc: have you perchance also applied a spellchecker?
20121111 21:46:11< Ivanovic> i know the stuff i wrote did not go through one and is utterly "buggy" in those regards
20121111 21:47:48< Ivanovic> Arc: what was the xsltproc command to generate the tasks again?
20121111 21:48:01< Ivanovic> just want to make sure the markup is fine before commiting the changes from mattsc
20121111 21:49:05< Arc> xsltproc templates/tasks.xslt templates/teams.xml
20121111 21:49:16< Ivanovic> thanks
20121111 21:52:40< Ivanovic> mattsc, Alarantalara, noy, Arc: committed the changed/updated tasks my mattsc
20121111 21:53:02< Ivanovic> who came up with the idea of finding almost transparent pixels?
20121111 21:53:05< Ivanovic> was this shadowm?
20121111 21:53:14< Ivanovic> some more details would be nice so that it can be added as task
20121111 21:56:16< Alarantalara> Ivanovic: I thought of the task. Someone had me doing it for a few animated terrains because it was expensive for the engine to composite and update extra hexes and there is a transparent hex detector
20121111 21:57:27< Ivanovic> Alarantalara: would be cool if you could write some more details including some example images stating what covers "almost transparent"
20121111 21:59:54< Alarantalara> I don't know specifically of any images like that right now unfortunately, I'll have to go find an old version of one I know about from svn
20121111 22:00:19< Arc> how about some non-code tasks?
20121111 22:00:58< Arc> docs, research/outreach, quality assurance (unit tests, code cleanup, etc), user interface..
20121111 22:07:49< Alarantalara> Screenshots for 1.10?
20121111 22:10:48< Alarantalara> Example image for almost transparent: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/wesnoth/trunk/data/core/images/terrain/walls/wall-stone-lit-A05-n-ne.png?revision=48839
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20121111 22:14:32< Ivanovic> Alarantalara: you should have seen how the stuff looks in the pastebin from mattsc
20121111 22:14:45< Ivanovic> Alarantalara: would be great if you could write some text in a similar manner
20121111 22:15:00< Ivanovic> with samples so that a high school student can understand it
20121111 22:16:03< Alarantalara> I'm not entirely sure how to define the task, which is my problem.
20121111 22:17:39< Alarantalara> I have that image, where the pixels to remove all have opacity <= 10/255, but I don't know if that's the correct threshold, and it might be desirable to keep more of them if they're connected to the main image.
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20121111 22:19:57< Alarantalara> It's also the only example I know about, since I haven't gone looking at every image
20121111 22:20:26< Alarantalara> and if I wrote a script to do that, I'd already be half done the work
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20121111 22:34:43< irker060> wesnoth: alarantalara * r55674 /trunk/data/core/images/terrain/walls/wall-stone-lit-A05-n-ne.png: 
20121111 22:34:44< irker060> wesnoth: Remove some mostly transparent pixels from one image
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20121111 23:01:43< Alarantalara> Ivanovic: http://pastebin.com/L4tStPs1 represents my best guess at what it might look like.
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20121111 23:45:50< Ivanovic> Alarantalara: added your task in
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