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20121126 01:36:37< irker808> wesnoth: jamit * r55765 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): 
20121126 01:36:38< irker808> wesnoth: Move undo() and redo() from menu_handler to undo_list.
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20121126 01:59:50< irker808> wesnoth: jamit * r55766 /trunk/src/ (4 files): 
20121126 01:59:50< irker808> wesnoth: Remove some vestiges of an old method of canceling a move-attack.
20121126 01:59:51< irker808> wesnoth: (There was nothing left to ever set the flag mouse_handler::undo_ to true.)
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20121126 02:12:36< irker808> wesnoth: jamit * r55767 /trunk/src/ (controller_base.cpp controller_base.hpp): 
20121126 02:12:37< irker808> wesnoth: Remove no longer useful function post_mouse_press().
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20121126 09:46:19< Arc> Ivanovic: hey, final checks now on the first batch of wesnoth tasks
20121126 09:46:31< Arc> i need a list of mentors to mark on each one
20121126 09:51:16< DpEpsilon> oh that's right, I remember why I joined this channel now...
20121126 09:54:06< Arc> DpEpsilon: ?
20121126 09:54:22< DpEpsilon> Arc: sorry, you reminded me about code-in
20121126 09:54:31< Arc> ah
20121126 09:54:34< Arc> http://gci.copyleftgames.org/
20121126 09:55:00< Arc> im grabbing some zzz's.  the uploader is finished, just need confirmation that the tasks as they are now are set
20121126 09:57:33< DpEpsilon> welp, looks like I'm learning myself some lua...
20121126 10:00:40< Arc> im sure more tasks will go up over the course of the program
20121126 10:01:02< Arc> actually, there's been weeks to polish these, im going to publish
20121126 10:10:30< Arc> and they're up.
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20121126 15:08:21< mattsc> Arc: do you need me to do anything else?
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20121126 15:33:46< Arc> mattsc: nope.
20121126 15:34:00< Arc> 2.5 hours until the program opens
20121126 15:34:34< mattsc> Arc:  I'll be ready.  Thanks.
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20121126 16:47:07< mattsc> Arc: will I get an email notification when somebody signs up for a task for which I'm a mentor or do I need to keep checking the dashboard?
20121126 16:47:22< Arc> yes. and also an email from the mailing list.
20121126 16:47:42< mattsc> Ok, cool.
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20121126 17:34:22< vultraz> wait...wesnoth is in GCI?
20121126 17:35:34< ChrisOelmueller> under CGG, yup
20121126 17:36:00< vultraz> CGG?
20121126 17:36:02< ChrisOelmueller> task preview at http://gci.copyleftgames.org/ and soon at melange
20121126 17:36:36< Anakonda_> GCI?
20121126 17:36:51< ChrisOelmueller> heh, http://www.google-melange.com/gci/homepage/google/gci2012
20121126 17:37:05< ChrisOelmueller> /nick ResidentialLinkspammer
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20121126 17:39:42< vultraz> looks like a lot of AI tasks
20121126 18:25:42< Ivanovic> Arc: i think you can add mattsc for basically all of them
20121126 18:25:48< Ivanovic> that is probably minus the one about the image stuff
20121126 18:26:00< Ivanovic> not sure whom to enlist there
20121126 18:26:05< Arc> Ivanovic: all wesnoth mentors are on all wesnoth tasks
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20121126 19:07:44< vultraz> Re the trailer task, is it supposed to be make a new one or recreate sections of the current one with newer material?
20121126 19:09:09< zookeeper> hopefully the former.
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20121126 19:10:07< vultraz> yet it only gives 24 hours :S
20121126 19:12:30< vultraz> I'm thinking of trying that one, but really not sure what I could do in 24 hours
20121126 19:14:51< lipkab> vultraz: Do it beforehand and pick the task when you're ready :P
20121126 19:15:14< ChrisOelmueller> all tasks give 24 hours
20121126 19:15:22< ChrisOelmueller> as far as CGG is concerned at least
20121126 19:16:10< vultraz> what is the CGG supposed to be anyway
20121126 19:23:15< mattsc> vultraz: as you noticed, there are lots of AI tasks and they are very similar.  Once you've completed the first one or two, it should be easy to check off subsequent ones quickly.
20121126 19:24:02< vultraz> well, see, I know absolutely nothing about luaAI stuff
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20121126 19:25:06< mattsc> From the GCI wiki page: "If you do not know WML or Lua yet, but are familiar with coding in other languages, you can probably acquire the basic skills needed in a few hours"  :)
20121126 19:25:40< vultraz> I do know lua and WML, I just don't know how the AI works :P
20121126 19:26:12< mattsc> Well, then you can probably figure out what you need in ~30 min.
20121126 19:27:01< vultraz> rly? :O
20121126 19:27:43< mattsc> Well, you won't be a lua AI expert, but you can probably know what you need to know in that amount of time.
20121126 19:28:01< mattsc> Check out http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Google_Code-in_Micro_AI_Tasks for the tasks
20121126 19:28:11< mattsc> and http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Practical_Guide_to_Modifying_AI_Behavior for some background
20121126 19:28:31< mattsc> The latter's a bit out of date, but all the important stuff is still true.
20121126 19:36:00< vultraz> hm...well, I figured out GUILua in about an hour, so this can't be too hard
20121126 19:36:18< mattsc> :)
20121126 19:37:29< mattsc> vultraz: one of the main problems with the initial switch-over to a Micro AI is that you cannot test intermediate steps.  You have to do it all at once and then if something doesn't work, the error message might be confusing to somebody without experience.
20121126 19:37:46< mattsc> But since you already know how to work with WML and Lua, that shouldn't be too hard.
20121126 19:39:08< vultraz> so basically the tasks are to take the existing Lua AIs, and create a WML tag frontend for them where users can define all the scenario-specific variables?
20121126 19:40:21< mattsc> Yes.  Step 1 of each AI is simply setting up the MAI mechanism.  Steps 2 is where you can include your own ideas, if you want.
20121126 19:41:22< mattsc> And if, in the process, you come up with great new ideas of what could be added, we can add that as an additional task.  In fact, I hope that that will happen...
20121126 19:43:33< mattsc> Steps 1 & 2 should be pretty straight forward for somebody with previous Wesnoth Lua experience.  The instructions are set up so that hopefully people without experience can understand them too.
20121126 19:44:37< lipkab> Is this stuff going to land in mainline?
20121126 19:44:41< lipkab> ... or are the students all working on improving mattsc's add-on? :P
20121126 19:45:33< Alarantalara> Hopefully it will end up in mainline. Two of the AIs from it have made it there so far.
20121126 19:45:41< mattsc> Ask boucman, he originally had that idea.  :P  I think the goal is to put this stuff into mainline eventually.  At least I hope that that will happen.
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20121126 19:46:32< mattsc> boucman had the idea of getting started with Micro AIs (not to add these tasks into GCI; I think that was lipkab)
20121126 19:48:05< mattsc> vultraz: but the real goal is to lure more people into getting involved with AI development in general  :D
20121126 19:48:37< boucman> yeah, I never was involved in GCI, and the aim of MAI is to go mainline at some point
20121126 19:48:37< lipkab> ...so don't get all the tasks for yourself...
20121126 19:48:59< boucman> (though there are devs that are more heavily into AI than me nowdays, so they might be better suited to mainline stuff
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20121126 20:01:28 * vultraz is tying out converting Patrol
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20121126 20:22:08 * vultraz tests
20121126 20:26:17< vultraz> yay, works :D
20121126 20:27:02< mattsc> vultraz: great!  As I said, for somebody with previous experience, these tasks should really be pretty easy.
20121126 20:28:23< mattsc> Note that you have to claim the tasks; and that documenting this on the wiki is part of the task
20121126 20:29:47< vultraz> will do later, when I get the forms straightened out
20121126 20:30:13< mattsc> cool
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20121126 20:45:49< Ivanovic> Arc: okay, sounds good
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20121126 21:21:57< irker371> wesnoth: alarantalara * r55768 /trunk/src/hotkeys.cpp: 
20121126 21:21:58< irker371> wesnoth: Remove erroneous check for RMETA. (Previously was with LMETA, switch of arguments caused it to be associated with wrong one, new mask includes RMETA already)
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20121126 22:13:20< irker371> wesnoth: alarantalara * r55769 /trunk/src/hotkeys.cpp: 
20121126 22:13:20< irker371> wesnoth: Fix bug #20249
20121126 22:13:21< irker371> wesnoth: Code prior to r55543 tested iterator type to identify whether character or keycode should be matched
20121126 22:13:21< irker371> wesnoth: Afterward it tested the input character, which always had both set to a valid value
20121126 22:13:22< irker371> wesnoth: As a result, since the hotkey only stored the keycode, any non printing character (alt+x, Fn, etc.) could never match
20121126 22:13:22< irker371> wesnoth: This switches the test back to the value in the iterator
20121126 22:17:25< Alarantalara1> Ivanovic: r55769 fixes the remaining bugs marked as blocking
20121126 22:17:38< Espreon> Uh-oh...
20121126 22:17:42 * Espreon '
20121126 22:17:49< Espreon> ...
20121126 22:17:54 * Espreon 's been neglecting... some things...
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20121126 22:25:17< Ivanovic> Alarantalara: wow, cool!
20121126 22:28:20< AI0867> Ivanovic: are translation tasks eligible again?
20121126 22:28:37< Ivanovic> i don't think so
20121126 22:28:54< Ivanovic> but i think the creation of some good screenshots would be eligible
20121126 22:30:43< AI0867> aww
20121126 22:34:11< irker371> wesnoth: ivanovic * r55770 /trunk/po/wesnoth-help/de.po: 
20121126 22:34:11< irker371> wesnoth: updated German translation
20121126 22:34:31< irker371> wesnoth: ivanovic * r55771 /branches/1.10/ (po/wesnoth-help/de.po players_changelog changelog): 
20121126 22:34:31< irker371> wesnoth: updated German translation
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20121126 22:35:07< Espreon> Hmmm... it seems that certain actions, such as Reload WML, aren't listed in any of the hotkey categories.
20121126 22:38:41< Alarantalara> Espreon: I can't find Reload WML in 1.10 either even though it has no categories
20121126 22:39:03< Espreon> It should be listed when in the editor, at least.
20121126 22:39:13< Espreon> ... I think
20121126 22:40:58< Espreon> Eh, false memories, I guess.
20121126 22:44:30< Alarantalara> Well, if you don't like it, you can always go to lines 68-229 of hotkeys.cpp and change true to false for every hotkey you want to appear
20121126 22:45:24< Espreon> True.
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20121126 23:50:29< irker371> wesnoth: ai0867 * r55772 /trunk/ (18 files in 11 dirs): 
20121126 23:50:29< irker371> wesnoth: Apply patch #3570 by mattsc
20121126 23:51:33< AI0867> Alarantalara: currently, "Experimental AI" appears to be the default in MP
20121126 23:52:12< Alarantalara> AI0867: I think it's a sorting issue
20121126 23:52:37< Alarantalara> but I haven't gone looking for what it's sorting by
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