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20121128 00:34:14< irker464> wesnoth: jetryl * r55777 /trunk/data/core/ (13 files in 2 dirs): 
20121128 00:34:14< irker464> wesnoth: New sprite for sea serpents to match new portrait.
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20121128 00:46:05< Nephro> mattsc, are you here?
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20121128 01:00:11< Nephro> mattsc, the persistency table was removed from the engine code for some reason, hooking it back up right now
20121128 01:00:41< Nephro> I haven't compiled wesnoth for some time, needs a full rebuild, is likely to take 20 minutes at least
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20121128 01:30:21< mattsc> Nephro: no worries, I don't have time right this moment anyway.  Thanks for looking into this!
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20121128 01:31:55< Nephro> mattsc, if only you knew how I don't have time for this now :D But I am so sick of that dumb university work that I would rather help you out, than work on them stupid assignments
20121128 01:35:24< mattsc> Nephro:  :D
20121128 01:35:49< mattsc> It's much appreciated, but make sure you don't neglect your university work.  Not too much at least.
20121128 01:37:33< Nephro> Come on, they make me develop a calendar with an innovative interface... Like, what does that even mean, how can I innovate on something so boring... It's a calendar, there are 100000 implementations of it
20121128 01:39:20< mattsc> [can't come up with a good smart-ass reply, sorry]
20121128 01:41:55< Nephro> :))
20121128 01:42:37< Nephro> I don't understand why they want people to be creative and innovative, while limiting their possibilities to the most uncreative field.
20121128 01:42:40< Nephro> </rant>
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20121128 02:21:15< Nephro> Where does wesnoth keep savefiles?
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20121128 02:24:48< AI0867> depends on your OS
20121128 02:24:58< AI0867> but .local/share/wesnoth/<VERSION>/saves
20121128 02:26:19< Nephro> thanks
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20121128 11:16:08< Crab_> Hello
20121128 11:32:22< grzywacz> hi Crab_ 
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20121128 14:27:02< mattsc> gh0st: are you zakne on github?
20121128 14:27:31< mattsc> I'm asking because you said you wanted to work on the lurkers AI, and somebody put in a pull request for that AI.  But nobody has claimed that task.
20121128 14:27:41< gh0st> mattsc: yep, thats me
20121128 14:28:07< mattsc> gh0st: ok, good.  you need to claim the tasks also.
20121128 14:28:11< mattsc> task
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20121128 14:28:47< gh0st> Eh, i can't claim it yet since i didn't upload the needed forms...
20121128 14:29:01< gh0st> yet
20121128 14:30:22< mattsc> I see.  Ok, I'll check out the pull request you submitted then even without you having claimed the task.  The danger with that is that somebody else might claim the task before you then.
20121128 14:30:38< gh0st> mattsc: I hope not. :)
20121128 14:31:56< mattsc> we'll see what we can do.  :)  It's going to take me a moment because #1 I'm not quite awake yet (it's 5:30 here) and #2 I want to test things like removing the MAI etc.
20121128 14:33:10< mattsc> gh0st: one thing though: add yourself to the credits in the _main.cfg, please.
20121128 14:33:51< gh0st> ok, how do i do that? I am new to git and github.
20121128 14:34:36< mattsc> open _main.cfg (in the top directory) and check out the [about] tags.  Add yourself to one or create a new one.
20121128 14:35:34< gh0st> ok.
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20121128 14:44:23< mattsc> gh0st: looks real good.  The only thing I found: l.92 in scenarios/lurkers.cfg should be removed.
20121128 14:45:06< mattsc> If you look at the file that includes (in the Wesnoth data/ directory), that is all covered by the new macro.
20121128 14:46:54< gh0st> ok
20121128 14:48:02< mattsc> So, once you have claimed the task, I'll close it and commit you pull request.
20121128 14:48:05< gh0st> mattsc: pushed.
20121128 14:49:04< gh0st> mattsc: what about the description?
20121128 14:49:25< mattsc> Oops...  (as I said, I'm not quite awake yet)
20121128 14:49:35< gh0st> :)
20121128 14:50:14< mattsc> Yes, you need to do that before I can close the task.
20121128 14:51:00< gh0st> I don't even know from where to start the description...
20121128 14:51:20< mattsc> Where to put it or how to describe it?
20121128 14:51:41< gh0st> how to describe it.
20121128 14:52:40< mattsc> You can use other MAIs on that page as template and the messages at the beginning of the Lurkers scenario as starting point for the description.
20121128 14:53:39< gh0st> okay
20121128 14:54:28< mattsc> I think when I did the bottleneck MAI, the text on the wiki is partially a copy-and-paste from the scenario messages.  I'm lazy, I would recommend that method.  :)
20121128 14:57:11< gh0st> Great, i thought i'd dive into that lua code wich i never seen before to describe the lurkers. :)
20121128 14:57:33< gh0st> the engine code.
20121128 15:02:39< mattsc> You can do that too, if you want.
20121128 15:03:50< gh0st> Yeah i probably will, learing new stuff is always interesting.
20121128 15:04:17< mattsc> ... and if you want to do Step 2 also, you have to anyway.
20121128 15:05:01< gh0st> of course.
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20121128 16:03:01< AI0867> wesnoth: src/unit_map.hpp:264: void unit_map::iterator_base<iter_types>::valid_exit() const [with iter_types = unit_map::standard_iter_types]: Assertion `!the_list().empty()' failed. <-- on closing one map of 7 in the editor
20121128 16:03:05< AI0867> fendrin: ^
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20121128 16:07:00< AI0867> backtrace: http://pastebin.com/KdyFjZ2s
20121128 16:18:28< AI0867> filed bug #20329
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20121128 16:41:21< rspencer> I am trying the gsoc task re: micro ais and I keep getting the error "unknown scenario switchboard" when I try to run the Ai-demo scenario.  Any idea how to progress?
20121128 16:42:14< AI0867> huh
20121128 16:42:57< AI0867> works fine here
20121128 16:43:13< AI0867> you're trying to run the campaign, right?
20121128 16:44:04< rspencer> Yeah, going "Campaign"/"Ai Modification Demos" then it goes "Error: unknown scenario 'switchboard'"
20121128 16:44:47< AI0867> how did you install the add-on? and which version of wesnoth are you using?
20121128 16:45:42< rspencer> wesnoth 1.11  I installed by downloading the directory from Github and then putting it in my .local/share/wesnoth/1.11/data/addons
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20121128 16:47:59< rspencer> Huh.  Ok.  I just redownloaded and redid everything and it seems to be working fine now
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20121128 17:12:37< mattsc> martin_bede: let's do this here in case others have the same question.  What OS do you use and which directory did you put the add-on into?
20121128 17:15:21< martin_bede> I use Ubuntu 12.10, and i've put the add-on in ~/.local/share/wesnoth/1.11/data/add-ons
20121128 17:16:15< mattsc> and when you try to start the campaign from the menu you get the unknown scenario error?
20121128 17:16:30< martin_bede> yep
20121128 17:17:50< mattsc> Very strange.  I know what usually causes that error, but have no idea how that should happen if you downloaded everything from github...
20121128 17:18:07< mattsc> in that folder, is there a file scenarios/switchboard.cfg?
20121128 17:18:24< martin_bede> yes
20121128 17:19:42< mattsc> with id=switchboard in the first line?
20121128 17:19:50< mattsc> second line
20121128 17:21:27< martin_bede> it's in the fourth line, the first two being #textdomain wesnoth-Grnk and an empty one
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20121128 17:22:01< mattsc> oh, right, I just read over those.  :)
20121128 17:22:59< mattsc> Ok, I just started the campaign here and had no problems.  Let me see if I can reproduce your problem.  How did you download the add-on?
20121128 17:24:28< martin_bede> i visited https://github.com/mattsc/Wesnoth-AI-Demosand clicked on download this repository as a zip file
20121128 17:25:04< martin_bede> oh I forgot a space
20121128 17:25:20< mattsc> that's fine.  Let me try that.
20121128 17:25:27< mattsc> As in re-downloading...
20121128 17:30:11< mattsc> martin_bede: I don't get that problem, but I get a different error message.  Let me look into that.
20121128 17:30:32< mattsc> In the meantime, could you try downloading this add-on from the add-ons server and see if that works?
20121128 17:30:48< martin_bede> okay
20121128 17:31:47< mattsc> martin_bede: hold-on, I might have found it.
20121128 17:32:04< mattsc> what's the directory called that you downloaded?
20121128 17:32:28< gh0st> mattsc: I wrote a description of the lurker micro_ai, can you check it if it's ok?
20121128 17:32:42< mattsc> gh0st: will do in a moment
20121128 17:32:47< gh0st> thanks
20121128 17:32:49< martin_bede> Wesnoth-AI-Demos-master
20121128 17:33:05< mattsc> martin_bede: yeah...  Rename this to AI-Demos and try again.
20121128 17:33:19< martin_bede> i forgot to mention that i renamed the directory to AI-demos
20121128 17:35:28< mattsc> ok, hold on.  I can reproduce the error now.
20121128 17:38:30< martin_bede> it works when i download the add-on from the add-on server
20121128 17:41:07< martin_bede> by the way the add-on installer keeps installing the same add-on if i don't click on cancel after installing
20121128 17:41:10< martin_bede> is that a bug?
20121128 17:41:46< lipkab> No.
20121128 17:42:51< lipkab> The 'Cancel' button used to be called 'Done' for a while - more aptly, in my opinion - but then it was reverted.
20121128 17:43:28< martin_bede> i see
20121128 17:44:08< lipkab> It's kind of unintuitive now, but it definitely works the way it meant to.
20121128 17:44:59< mattsc> martin_bede: umm, this is strange.  The version I have installed works, the one I downloaded from github does not.  But I just ran a diff over them and supposedly they are identical.
20121128 17:45:37< mattsc> Go ahead and work with the one you got from the add-ons server.  The files relevant for your task should be the same.
20121128 17:45:54< mattsc> I'll look into this and let you know once I figure it out.
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20121128 17:46:09< martin_bede> okay, thanks for your time
20121128 17:46:32< mattsc> On the contrary, sorry for wasting your time with this ...
20121128 17:47:37< lipkab> mattsc: What's the directory's name you extracted the GitHub tarball into?
20121128 17:48:09< mattsc> lipkab: it's different from what it should be, but I renamed it
20121128 17:48:32< lipkab> To AI-Demos...?
20121128 17:48:42< mattsc> AI-demos
20121128 17:48:51< lipkab> Ah.
20121128 17:49:00< lipkab> It works for me, just saying :P
20121128 17:49:17< mattsc> thanks
20121128 17:56:48< mattsc> martin_bede: I tried again and I cannot reproduce the error any more.  It just works.
20121128 17:57:37< mattsc> Are you sure you renamed the directory to AI-demos , with a lower-case 'd' ?
20121128 17:57:50< martin_bede> yes, i'm sure
20121128 17:58:32< lipkab> martin_bede: Try to clean the cache.
20121128 17:58:41< lipkab> Caching is the root of all evils.
20121128 17:58:50< mattsc> oh, did you not shut down Wesnoth in between tries?
20121128 17:59:14< lipkab> (((Besides string concatenation, of course)))
20121128 17:59:21< martin_bede> i restarted it every time
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20121128 18:01:30< mattsc> Ok, I really don't know what's going on then.  As I said, it just works for me...
20121128 18:01:40< mattsc> Do you mind going through everything again, step by step?
20121128 18:01:59< mattsc> I'll do the same thing here and we see if we get the same problem.
20121128 18:02:53< martin_bede> i would prefer to do this again after i finished my task if it's ok
20121128 18:03:48< mattsc> The problem is that you need to put in a git pull request at the end of it...
20121128 18:05:37< martin_bede> oh, then i'll do it
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20121128 18:06:06< mattsc> I just did it again and, again, have no problems...
20121128 18:07:19< martin_bede> so i downloaded the zip
20121128 18:07:30< mattsc> The one possible thing I could think of is that the directories inside AI-demos/ don't have world r and x permissions...
20121128 18:07:51< mattsc> ok.  unzip, move to add-ons folder and rename.
20121128 18:08:01< mattsc> That's really all that should be needed.
20121128 18:08:14< martin_bede> done, now starting wesnoth
20121128 18:08:18< mattsc> (it's all I did anyway)
20121128 18:08:46< martin_bede> it's working now
20121128 18:08:51< mattsc> bizarre!
20121128 18:09:06< mattsc> Anyway, I'm glad it's working
20121128 18:09:39< martin_bede> thanks again :)
20121128 18:11:29< mattsc> martin_bede: if this problem means that you miss the deadline by a bit, I'll give you more time.  Don't worry about that.
20121128 18:16:19< mattsc> gh0st: the wiki page looks good.  There was a minor mistake on it, but I just fixed that for you.
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20121128 18:44:21< rspencer> Would anyone mind giving me a quick explanation of how the [micro_ai] tag works if, for example I have two units (Jack and Jill) and two types of AI (ai1 and ai2) and I want Jack to behave with ai1 and Jill with ai2?  How does that look in terms of wml?
20121128 18:47:37< mattsc> rspencer: there are two different kinds of candidate actions, those that apply to all units of a side (although there might be conditions selection on some), and those that are attached to a unit.
20121128 18:48:00< mattsc> The latter is called a behavior CA, BCA, and that's what you want in this case.
20121128 18:50:29< mattsc> In terms of WML, look at utils/lua_macros.lua for BCA examples
20121128 18:51:13< mattsc> and scenarios/protect-unit.cfg for side-wise CAs
20121128 18:53:14< rspencer> ok, thanks
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20121128 21:26:52< irker374> wesnoth: Use the undo stack to tell if the player has done anything
20121128 21:26:52< irker374> wesnoth: (rather than checking for living units with used movement).
20121128 21:26:52< irker374> wesnoth: Fixes bug #20282
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20121128 21:43:05< irker374> wesnoth: jamit * r55779 /trunk/src/playsingle_controller.cpp: 
20121128 21:43:05< irker374> wesnoth: Better undo stack handling in the face of side controller changes.
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20121128 22:35:59< irker374> wesnoth: Rename undo_list::empty()/empty_redo() to !can_undo()/!can_redo().
20121128 22:36:00< irker374> wesnoth: (The exclamation points because can_undo means not empty.)
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20121128 23:21:57< anonymissimus> jamit: there's a supposed problem with r55778
20121128 23:22:18< jamit> What's the problem?
20121128 23:22:51< anonymissimus> in my addon, I set the remaining movement points of some unit to less than the maximum in order to suppress the "you haven't yet moved any units, do you really want to end your turn ?" dialog
20121128 23:22:59< Espreon> anonymissimus: I drew translatons from WesCamp into ASC.
20121128 23:22:59< anonymissimus> I supposed this does no longer work now
20121128 23:23:44< anonymissimus> so, this should be listed as a syntax change, and some cleaner way for wml/lua to suppress that dialog should be provided
20121128 23:23:55< jamit> I suppose it doesn't. Why do you want to suppress the dialog?
20121128 23:24:11< anonymissimus> because moving units does not make any sense in that addon
20121128 23:24:36< jamit> What do you do during your turn then?
20121128 23:24:56< anonymissimus> most actions are done by right-click menues
20121128 23:25:18< anonymissimus> I imagine there can me many more such addons, which are not like standard wesnoth
20121128 23:25:30< anonymissimus> Espreon: thanks
20121128 23:25:35< Espreon> Yup.
20121128 23:26:01< anonymissimus> Espreon: I wonder how that combines with the (German) one I made ?
20121128 23:26:07< jamit> I think somewhere on the list of things to do is a way for WML to clear the undo stack, which would in turn suppress that dialog.
20121128 23:26:33< jamit> I'm just trying to think how it would fit into your addon.
20121128 23:29:54< jamit> Hmm... I think it was a proposal for something like a [block_undo] tag, which would be a way for WML to indicate that the gamestate changed at an unusual time, such as through a menu item.
20121128 23:32:13< jamit> Adding that tag should be pretty easy at this point, if it is a good thing to add.
20121128 23:36:00< anonymissimus> jamit: there could be some tag [disable_not_moved_warning] or so, which disables that dialog for the end of the current side's/client's turn
20121128 23:36:16< anonymissimus> using that in a side turn event would solve it for me
20121128 23:36:19< Espreon> anonymissimus: There is no German translation for ASC on WesCamp.
20121128 23:37:04< Espreon> ... so... yeah..
20121128 23:37:13< anonymissimus> Espreon: yes; I made it and added it in the umc repo...now, say someone adds a German one on wescamp, would it overwrite mine ?
20121128 23:38:20< anonymissimus> (it would be kind of stupid to do that, but just in case)
20121128 23:40:11< anonymissimus> jamit: I'm also somewhat concerned about those "remove unused and undocumented <something>" commits...a wmllint rule to be sure would be nice
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20121128 23:42:37< anonymissimus> jamit: were those [scenario][side]music= and [scenario][side]team_rgb= ? I should be easy to add a wmllint warning
20121128 23:42:49< anonymissimus> (I can do that)
20121128 23:42:49< jamit> Well, the "unused" part means that they don't do anything, but I guess some old WML could still contain the now-does-nothing code.
20121128 23:43:24< anonymissimus> "don't do" meaning they did not have any effect already ?
20121128 23:43:34< jamit> Right, they were under [scenario][side].
20121128 23:43:49< Espreon> anonymissimus: No.
20121128 23:44:00< anonymissimus> in that case it was probably removed at some spot without deprecation and such
20121128 23:44:01< Espreon> ... because I'm not that mean.
20121128 23:44:12< jamit> Right, I did not remove functionality. I just found some attributes that were stored and never read.
20121128 23:44:52< jamit> The music= tag I suspect dates back to when each faction had its own music, instead of music being set by the scenario.
20121128 23:45:44< jamit> The team_rgb= tag would have been a precursor to color=
20121128 23:46:02< jamit> Ooops. "attribute" not "tag" in both above lines.
20121128 23:46:31< anonymissimus> Espreon: I don't mean you're mean
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20121128 23:52:35< jamit> anonymissimus: It looks like [scenario][side]music= was removed from the wiki documentation in June 2008 by Zookeeper. http://wiki.wesnoth.org/index.php?title=SideWML&diff=25906&oldid=25686
20121128 23:54:21< jamit> Spot checking the history did not turn up a time when team_rgb= was documented.
20121128 23:54:40< anonymissimus> jamit: also, say someone wants to end his turn with the undo stack empty, because the last thing he did was updating shroud or so; wouldn't that dialog show as well now (but should not) ?
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20121128 23:55:13< anonymissimus> or did that logic change and I just should better understand
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20121128 23:55:25< jamit> No. The undo stack remembers if it had actions earlier in the turn now.
20121128 23:55:57< Espreon> anonymissimus: Do note I draw them in manually.
20121128 23:56:11< anonymissimus> Espreon: alright
20121128 23:56:22< anonymissimus> (yes, I thought that's a script)
20121128 23:56:38< Espreon> Nah.
20121128 23:56:57< jamit> The current check include the undo stack being empty or having been cleared earlier this turn (even if nothing was ever added to the stack).
20121128 23:59:57< jamit> anonymissimus: About [disable_not_moved_warning]: aside from the name being longish, I think a turn refresh event would be a better location than side turn. But you prefer the start of the turn instead of waiting for a menu item to be selected?
20121128 23:59:57< anonymissimus> jamit: okay...so pls provide that [block_undo] tag or whatever, so that I can keep this functionality
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