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20121117 02:02:28< irker009> AI-Demos: mattsc master * r6248ea8 / lua/grunt-rush-Freelands-S1_engine.lua : Fred: move retreat_injured_units evaluation into separate function - http://git.io/WwANGA
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20121117 04:13:53< irker009> AI-Demos: mattsc master * r79847d3 / lua/grunt-rush-Freelands-S1_engine.lua : Fred: collect all zone attack code together in the same function - http://git.io/u98T1g
20121117 04:17:20< irker009> AI-Demos: mattsc master * r46d46dc / lua/grunt-rush-Freelands-S1_engine.lua : Standardize zone action function names - http://git.io/_rtHpA
20121117 04:30:11< irker009> AI-Demos: mattsc master * r34d83fb / lua/grunt-rush-Freelands-S1_engine.lua : Fred: collect all zone hold code together in the same function - http://git.io/qtp_sg
20121117 04:33:41< irker009> AI-Demos: mattsc master * r08528a8 / lua/grunt-rush-Freelands-S1_engine.lua : Define action.action inside zone_action_hold, not outside - http://git.io/Y6l9XA
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20121117 04:46:14< irker009> AI-Demos: mattsc master * r2ef32bb / lua/grunt-rush-Freelands-S1_engine.lua : Fred: move villages evaluation into separate function - http://git.io/x10Bvg
20121117 04:55:25< irker009> AI-Demos: mattsc master * r1c4b19b / lua/grunt-rush-Freelands-S1_engine.lua : Fred: set up cfg.do_action capability - http://git.io/0K-Ffg
20121117 05:04:38< irker009> AI-Demos: mattsc master * rb60751b / lua/grunt-rush-Freelands-S1_engine.lua : Fred: set up cfg.skip_action capability - http://git.io/LXp70A
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20121117 05:38:53< irker009> wesnoth-umc-dev: doofus-01 * r16177 /trunk/Archaic_Era/images/portraits/ (protector-3.png protector.png): 
20121117 05:38:54< irker009> wesnoth-umc-dev: 'primeval protector' portrait update
20121117 05:44:04< irker009> wesnoth-umc-dev: doofus-01 * r16178 /trunk/Bad_Moon_Rising/ (39 files in 9 dirs): 
20121117 05:44:04< irker009> wesnoth-umc-dev: was just going to commit some portrait updates, but wmlindent must have been run at some point.  Note-to-self: be more careful next time.
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20121117 15:30:15< irker152> AI-Demos: mattsc master * r2219e2b / lua/grunt-rush-Freelands-S1_engine.lua : Fred: Up priority of village grabbing - http://git.io/8RNstw
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20121117 19:26:30< irker152> AI-Demos: Alarantalara master * rc5319b8 / lua/generic-recruit_engine.lua : Skip units with duplicate move types - http://git.io/gZ34Xg
20121117 19:51:38< irker152> AI-Demos: Alarantalara master * r8156335 / lua/generic-recruit_engine.lua : Remove now pointless comment - http://git.io/unqWOA
20121117 19:51:39< irker152> AI-Demos: Alarantalara master * r5926a45 / lua/generic-recruit_engine.lua : Factor out creation of test unit list - http://git.io/c8Jqcw
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20121117 21:00:44< mattsc> skyfaller, Alarantalara: as horribly as Fred plays at the moment, Ron with Rebels stands absolutely no chance against him.  The games usually are over in 12 or less turns.
20121117 21:01:06< skyfaller> hahahaha nice
20121117 21:01:14< skyfaller> how does he win?
20121117 21:01:22< mattsc> Ron with Northerners does a little better (which points to the second major weakness of Fred's tactics), but I've seen Fred win more often than not as well.
20121117 21:01:43< mattsc> positioning, mostly, I think.
20121117 21:02:41< mattsc> Given that Fred still does very poorly in some respects, I really haven't run that many cases.  I know 3 or 4 things to do that are easy (relatively, at least) that will significantly improve Fred's play.
20121117 21:03:11< mattsc> skyfaller: If I were you, I wouldn't watch Fred play right now.  You might lose too much hair...  :D
20121117 21:03:17< skyfaller> lol!
20121117 21:04:12< Alarantalara> I'm watching a Fred vs Ron game right now. I just noticed that attacks on a leader that cannot possibly kill the leader have more priority than village stealing
20121117 21:04:34< Alarantalara> as a wolf rider assaults a red mage with full health instead of grabbing a village that the mage cannot reach
20121117 21:04:50< mattsc> Attacks in general have too high a priority compared to village stealing.
20121117 21:04:50< Alarantalara> (I think that qualifies as hair loss)
20121117 21:04:58< mattsc> :)
20121117 21:05:26< mattsc> The changes I made last night aim at changing that.  I just haven't had time to put it into practice yet.
20121117 21:06:11< mattsc> Fred's 2 main blatant weaknesses right now are villages and the use of poisoners, I think.
20121117 21:07:01< mattsc> The villages thing is easy to change now, the poisoners will take a little more refactoring (but not much)
20121117 21:07:56< skyfaller> is there anything I can do right now that is higher priority than the little coding exercise you assigned me? ;-)
20121117 21:09:22< mattsc> I think in about a week or so I'll need your help with strategy again.
20121117 21:09:29< skyfaller> ok, cool
20121117 21:09:40< mattsc> Right now the mistakes are still so obvious that even I see them
20121117 21:12:44< skyfaller> :)
20121117 21:29:46< irker152> AI-Demos: Alarantalara master * rb1ea961 / lua/generic-rush_engine.lua : Remove unneeded include - http://git.io/TxqHTA
20121117 21:42:19< Alarantalara> mattsc, skyfaller: I've just watched two games in which Ron beat Fred as undead. It makes me suspect that at least part of the reason for Fred beating Ron in  most of the other cases is just that Ron starts attacking Fred at night
20121117 21:43:02< Alarantalara> which is generally a bad idea unless you're also chaotic
20121117 21:51:12< mattsc> Alarantalara: ok, good to know.  I've not watched that many games yet because I'll still change Fred's behavior significantly.  After that I'll pay more attention to the details.
20121117 21:51:36< mattsc> Fred does win against Northerner Ron more often than not at the moment too though
20121117 22:01:10< Alarantalara> Ron's Northerner mirror recruiting is not ideal. It's the one matchup against the ML recruiter as Northerners that Ron has a < 40% win rate (all the others are > 70% as Northerners)
20121117 22:01:39< Alarantalara> Ron isn't recruiting enough whelps in that match yet and Fred does a better job at doing so
20121117 22:05:43< Alarantalara> I'd suggest using Ron with the ML recruiter if you want to see a better game of Ron as Northerners vs Fred
20121117 22:18:26< mattsc> Ok, will do.  But I'll do some more work on Fred first.
20121117 22:44:18< mattsc> Alarantalara: btw, I think I have the gci wiki page more or less complete now.  Still a couple things that I want to go over again, but I'm done adding content, I think.
20121117 22:44:36< mattsc> Since your name's mentioned on it, you might want to have at least a brief look at it.
20121117 22:46:32< skyfaller> gci?
20121117 22:46:45< mattsc> Google Code-in
20121117 22:46:54< Alarantalara> Google Code-in. It's a competition for high school students
20121117 22:47:59< skyfaller> oh, are we trying to get them to contribute to AI-demos?
20121117 22:48:54< mattsc> skyfaller: we're trying to get them to convert a bunch of AIs to Micro AIs
20121117 22:48:56< mattsc> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Google_Code-in_Micro_AI_Tasks
20121117 22:52:20< skyfaller> that sounds exciting
20121117 22:52:30< skyfaller> I wish I had been part of something like that growing up
20121117 22:52:38< skyfaller> my computer programming education was sadly lacking
20121117 22:53:32< mattsc> I think I have taken a total of 2 computer classes in my life
20121117 22:53:59< mattsc> But yeah, I think this is great.
20121117 22:54:18< mattsc> And you can finish off all the ones that don't get done during GCI.  ;)
20121117 22:54:59< skyfaller> lol
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20121117 23:14:40< Alarantalara> mattsc: I've read it over and it looks good to me
20121117 23:17:57< mattsc> Alarantalara: ok, thanks.  I want to add a bit more detail about how to do the github push/pull thing (at least add that link you sent me), but that's about it.
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