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20121108 01:39:09< blarumyrran> hurray
20121108 01:40:07< janebot> Twitter: @Wesnoth: http://t.co/HdKoKICj is back up again. [ Nov-08-2012 00:35 ] [ http://tinyurl.com/d5le798 ]
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20121108 04:14:17< enchilado> So, I was thinking...
20121108 04:14:51< enchilado> The large, non-pixel art representations of Wesnoths' units are called "portraits"
20121108 04:14:59< enchilado> Yet most of them aren't really portraits
20121108 04:15:14< celmin|math|X_X> ?
20121108 04:17:19< enchilado> Well, a portrait technically shows a posing figure and is focused on their face
20121108 04:17:59< Espreon> Yeah, except no one knows/cares.
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20121108 04:21:58< celmin|math|X_X> And that's not what they are how?
20121108 04:22:11< enchilado> Well, I think it should be changed to a more suitable term, although I'm unsure what. Perhaps simply "illustration"?
20121108 04:22:34< celmin|math|X_X> Looks like a portrait to me.
20121108 04:22:58< blarumyrran> "illustration" sounds more like story-art
20121108 04:23:01< enchilado> celmin|math|X_X: well, many of them are in action stances.
20121108 04:23:20< blarumyrran> enchilado, what's the use-case here... where exactly do you think a wesnoth user would be confused by the current use of "portrait"
20121108 04:23:31< celmin|math|X_X> So?
20121108 04:24:00< enchilado> blarumyrran: an illustration is an image that adds to other information. That's what "portraits" are used for.
20121108 04:24:16< enchilado> celmin|math|X_X: so, they are not posing for the picture as the subject of a portrait would be.
20121108 04:24:21< blarumyrran> enchilado, story art illustrates the story
20121108 04:24:29< enchilado> Furthermore, some have faces covered or even no faces at all!
20121108 04:24:36< blarumyrran> anyway all that is irrelevant unless you answer this
20121108 04:24:38< blarumyrran>  enchilado, what's the use-case here... where exactly do you think a wesnoth user would be confused by the current use of "portrait"
20121108 04:24:48< enchilado> blarumyrran: I'm not denying that "illustration" would fit story art, I'm merely saying that it's just as applicable to portraits.
20121108 04:25:20< celmin|math|X_X> Hm, this is odd. Neither Wiktionary nor Urban Dictionary supports this meaning of portrait.
20121108 04:25:22< blarumyrran> enchilado, "portrait" is a key-word with a specialized meaning within wesnoth project, not a description of usage
20121108 04:25:24< enchilado> blarumyrran: I love your new fire dragon, by the way.
20121108 04:25:38< celmin|math|X_X> And yet I'm sure I've seen it used in this way for multiple games.
20121108 04:25:49< enchilado> celmin|math|X_X: ha, ha, ha; urban dictionary.
20121108 04:26:06< enchilado> celmin|math|X_X: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portrait
20121108 04:26:21< celmin|math|X_X> Urban Dictionary is a decent source though.
20121108 04:26:28< enchilado> No, it isn't.
20121108 04:26:31< celmin|math|X_X> Better than a print dictionary, certainly.
20121108 04:26:35< celmin|math|X_X> Ditto to Wiktionary.
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20121108 04:26:45< celmin|math|X_X> In general though Wiktionary is better than Urban Dictionary.
20121108 04:26:58< enchilado> Wiktionary takes its definitions from print dictionaries
20121108 04:27:09< celmin|math|X_X> Not exclusively.
20121108 04:27:13< celmin|math|X_X> Nothing about posing here: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/portrait
20121108 04:27:41< celmin|math|X_X> In fact, the initial paragraph of your Wikipedia link says nothing about posing, either.
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20121108 04:28:00< celmin|math|X_X> Nor does Wiktionary: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/portrait
20121108 04:28:17< enchilado> "For this reason, in photography a portrait is generally not a snapshot, but a composed image of a person in a still position"
20121108 04:28:56< enchilado> I realise they are not photographs, however...
20121108 04:29:04< celmin|math|X_X> Somehow dictionary.com broke my Chrometab.
20121108 04:29:36< enchilado> ... many of them are drawn as though they were snapshots of, say, the unit swinging their weapon.
20121108 04:29:37< celmin|math|X_X> When I try to Google search in the navbar for urban dictionary I get taken to dictionary.com instead.
20121108 04:30:07< celmin|math|X_X> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=portrait
20121108 04:30:10< enchilado> And even if you disagree on that point, their faces are still covered.
20121108 04:30:20< celmin|math|X_X> Nothing about posing there either.
20121108 04:30:29< celmin|math|X_X> Their faces are not covered, generally speaking.
20121108 04:30:30< enchilado> "crafted"?
20121108 04:30:38< celmin|math|X_X> Hm?
20121108 04:30:44< Gambit> Why are we having this conversation?
20121108 04:30:46< Gambit> :\
20121108 04:30:58< celmin|math|X_X> Definition 2 is the relevant one.
20121108 04:31:00< enchilado> "Crafted" would imply that the scene was composed with the intent of taking the picture.
20121108 04:31:06< celmin|math|X_X> I think definition 1 is a metaphorical one.
20121108 04:31:15< celmin|math|X_X> Oh wait, it's photographic.
20121108 04:31:18< enchilado> I like their grammar, celmin|math|X_X 
20121108 04:31:43< enchilado> I really trust someone who can't capitalise or punctuate
20121108 04:32:13< enchilado> Gambit: it's important, man.
20121108 04:32:47< celmin|math|X_X> Maybe, but the second definition is not wrong.
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20121108 04:33:00< enchilado> I mean, look at the tentacle of the deep.
20121108 04:33:04< enchilado> It's a picture of an arm.
20121108 04:33:07< enchilado> That's not a portrait!
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20121108 04:33:51< celmin|math|X_X> https://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=definition+of+portrait
20121108 04:33:59< celmin|math|X_X> Didn't know you could do that in Google.
20121108 04:34:09< enchilado> Just "define" works too.
20121108 04:34:14< celmin|math|X_X> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/portrait
20121108 04:34:19< celmin|math|X_X> Again nothing about posing
20121108 04:34:23< enchilado> It's not that reliable though. It often gives just one definition of a word that has many, and such.
20121108 04:35:20< celmin|math|X_X> I know, I'm trying to find a reference to support my impression that it's a common usage in video games...
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20121108 04:37:20< enchilado> celmin|math|X_X: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portrait_painting
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20121108 04:38:50< celmin|math|X_X> The dictionary definitions don't exclude Wesnoth's use, though.
20121108 04:40:25< enchilado> That's true; I concede that the word may have a broader meaning than I thought. However, this doesn't mean it's suitable, since it can refer to other styles; the word "picture" would be completely applicable, but it's not nearly descriptive enough.
20121108 04:41:12< enchilado> I'm still sure there would be a more accurate and suitable name.
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20121108 04:45:27< enchilado> Perhaps "digitally painted large-scale unit depictions for illustrating dialogue"? They could be called DPLSUDIDs for short.
20121108 04:46:41< celmin|math|X_X> I'm going to have to assume you're being sarcastic.
20121108 04:47:08< Gambit> Hmmm.
20121108 04:48:03< Gambit> &kick enchilado No more tears. Only brd now.
20121108 04:48:09< Gambit> Aww.
20121108 04:48:10< oldtopman> lol
20121108 04:48:11< blarumyrran> Why did Gambit say "Hmmm."? Would the more usual "Hmm." not suffice?
20121108 04:48:13< Gambit> enchilado: stop trolling
20121108 04:48:35< enchilado> Gambit: sorry? I'm being entirely serious here.
20121108 04:48:43< Gambit> janebot: y u no kick enchilado?
20121108 04:48:57< enchilado> I strive for semantic accuracy.
20121108 04:50:27< blarumyrran> I strive for Justice and Freedom.
20121108 04:50:54< enchilado> I strive for coffee.
20121108 04:50:56< Gambit> enchilado: http://i.imgur.com/6DGf6.jpg
20121108 04:50:59< enchilado> TTYL everyone <3
20121108 04:51:25< blarumyrran> There was a propaganda poster, or warbond, or cartoon from ww1 that I really liked
20121108 04:51:33< blarumyrran> I think it was british
20121108 04:51:36< blarumyrran> they had a lot of those
20121108 04:51:44< Gambit> blarumyrran: http://i.imgur.com/CbidH.png
20121108 04:52:51< blarumyrran> it had Romania personified by its king standing on one side of the table, and friedrich wilhelm ii on the other side
20121108 04:53:19< blarumyrran> friedrich wilhelm ii asked, "Why did you join the allies? luddendorff & hindenburg are on our side!"
20121108 04:53:30< blarumyrran> Romania answered, "But Freedom and Justice are on ours!"
20121108 04:53:58< blarumyrran> It's really nice if in some arguments you sometimes feel that you could say that
20121108 04:54:41< blarumyrran> not sarcastically, honestly
20121108 04:55:12< blarumyrran> you can always justify saying things sarcastically but you can only rarely have the right feel to say some things sincerely & it feels great when you can
20121108 04:56:18< blarumyrran> i hate how sarcastic the internet is, it makes me sarcastic too & I hate it for that
20121108 04:57:23< Gambit> &youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtyYlAH0f_M
20121108 04:57:23< janebot> "A Lesson in Skepticism" Length: 2:08 (by redditcj)
20121108 04:57:24< janebot> 129915 views, 1481 likes, 497 dislikes (no region restrictions) http://youtu.be/PtyYlAH0f_M
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20121108 04:59:40< blarumyrran> Gambit, well any quote could be said by a person i haven't heard of
20121108 04:59:46< blarumyrran> such as "Neil Degrasse Tyson"
20121108 05:00:09< blarumyrran> how would i possibly detect that
20121108 05:00:27< blarumyrran> besides I don't mean scepticism
20121108 05:03:19< blarumyrran> i mean the passiveagressive cowardly tone... saying insults indirectly to avoid having to answer for it. Eg patronizing, or linking to dictionary entires of a word to imply that the other person does not know the meaning of the word
20121108 05:03:59< blarumyrran> or saying "A != B" to someone who has talked about A, implying that that person previously thought that A has the exact identity of B, while knowing that this was not the case
20121108 05:04:21< blarumyrran> or on wesnoth's FPI list there's one case of this passiveagressive cowardly tone
20121108 05:06:13< blarumyrran> "Basing a campaign, scenario, multiplayer era or faction on copyrighted material" "we don’t want to expose the project to attack because you couldn’t be creative enough to come up with something original."
20121108 05:07:03< blarumyrran> obviously implying that the wish to create an illegal campaign stems from lack of creativity
20121108 05:07:19< blarumyrran> but not stating it outright, because the writer is cowardly & passiveagressive
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20121108 11:56:58< Mattias> So, is it just me or does the game crash a lot when using planning mode + multiplayer, I can't say it does not crash without it either since I've been using planning mode since I got the wesnoth client...
20121108 11:57:36< Mattias> Tough to see what crashes it when wesnoth just shutsdown when it happens, I can get 2-3 game crashes in the middle of games, and the fourth game I manage to play through without a crash
20121108 11:57:50< Mattias> Is there a debug mode to turn on or something?
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20121108 14:40:47< Soliton> running 1.10.4 or newer? what OS?
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20121108 16:17:08< Mattias> Soliton: Arch linux, right now running on kernel 3.6.6, wesnoth 1.10.4, I played today with planning mode and did not have a single crash
20121108 16:17:16< Mattias> today without***
20121108 16:18:07< Soliton> run wesnoth from a terminal to see the error/type of crash and post a bug report.
20121108 16:20:19< hulavuta> cha cha cha
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20121108 16:20:36< Mattias> Will do. Right now I'm having too much fun coding on my own new mud server :D
20121108 16:22:01< Soliton> looks like there is at least on planning mode bug fixed in svn that is in 1.10.4 still: https://gna.org/bugs/?19826
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