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20121109 04:03:15< blarumyrran> how about showing portraits in the attack window (the one where you can see likelyhood of killing the enemy & get to choose the attack)? The attack window prohibits all interaction outside of it so it should be safe enough
20121109 04:05:05< blarumyrran> (not literlally inside the window, but when it's shown)
20121109 04:08:32< blarumyrran> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-F3QvnI4FYe8/TV1Gy3MB9JI/AAAAAAAAAAU/qZ7rssu092c/s1600/ultimate-mortal-kombat-3-20061023041450311.jpg
20121109 04:09:46< enchilado> That would be cool.
20121109 04:15:29< ancestral> Hehe
20121109 04:15:45< ancestral> Well, I'll certainly design the attack window in my client
20121109 04:16:04< ancestral> *re-design
20121109 04:18:32< blarumyrran> your client?
20121109 04:18:39< blarumyrran> i thought that was just for displaying maps
20121109 04:26:20< ancestral> Well, *if* it turns into something grander…
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20121109 18:14:57< clintbellanger> A heads-up, some free icons that may be close enough to Wesnoth's style for use in community mods http://opengameart.org/content/armor-icons-by-equipment-slot
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20121109 18:30:59< zookeeper> clintbellanger, yeah those are pretty neat
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20121109 22:14:45< silent-prayer> hi all, help needed; wesnoth keeps crashing after 'load' button clicked - BoW 1.10.4 w/ xubuntu precise, any idea how to fix it?
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20121109 22:35:23< Ivanovic> silent-prayer: start it from the terminal and have a look at the output
20121109 22:35:39< Ivanovic> with the info you are giving there is nothing to be done since it might crash due to a bazillion reasons
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20121109 22:40:39< silent-prayer> sorry, didn' t really get what you mean by 'have a look at the output' there, a linux newbie here; btw, had that problem before, tried to restart, uninstall/reinstall, update, etc. nothing works; finally getting it work again by reinstalling xubuntu; however, there has to be a better, simpler, less time consuming solution...
20121109 22:43:08< shadowm> One possibility is renaming or moving  your saves directory, but you should really do as Ivanovic says.
20121109 22:43:23< shadowm> Find a Terminal application and run "wesnoth" from there.
20121109 22:44:57< lipkab> ...and fortunately on Xubuntu the terminal application is intuitively named Terminal.
20121109 22:45:16< lipkab> Rather unusual for a Linux distro.
20121109 22:47:17< silent-prayer> so i have the terminal window open, and then... 
20121109 22:47:39< lipkab> ...you type 'wesnoth' and hit enter.
20121109 22:49:15< silent-prayer> sorry, forgot to mention this, as i was playing, there was a notification like 'could not auto save' ;i then quit the current game and can't get into the list of saved files after clicking 'load' since
20121109 22:50:32< lipkab> Hehe. Then maybe you don't own your own home directory.
20121109 22:51:39< lipkab> But for know, you should just reproduce the crash and then tell us what's printed on the terminal.
20121109 22:51:52< silent-prayer> should i show what' on the terminal? cannot just paste it here right?
20121109 22:52:39< lipkab> You can paste it on pastebin.
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20121109 22:55:40< silent-prayer> and then post the link  http://pastebin.com/YuVJMMxa here right...
20121109 22:57:14< lipkab> Right. Now you can lay back and wait for someone to answer.
20121109 22:57:51< lipkab> Which won't be me because I have no clue what causes that error message.
20121109 22:58:19< lipkab> Although I believe I saw it around in a bug report some while ago.
20121109 22:59:29< silent-prayer> thx for 'walkthrough' up to this anyway, don't want to reinstall xubuntu just for this (again) *sigh*
20121109 23:01:36< lipkab> silent-prayer: I found this for you: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=37254&p=533738&hilit=gzip+error#p533738
20121109 23:03:08< lipkab> However, on a second thought, that seems to be a different problem.
20121109 23:04:59< lipkab> Anyways; give it a try: delete ~/.cache/wesnoth.
20121109 23:06:07< lipkab> (Open up Thunar, hit Ctrl-H to see hidden directories, enter .cache and delete the directory called wesnoth)
20121109 23:06:17< silent-prayer> well, from the line 13 down, it seems identical
20121109 23:08:13< silent-prayer> nope, still crashing
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20121109 23:14:20< lipkab> silent-prayer: Did the game work at some point in the past or is it broken since installation?
20121109 23:16:00< silent-prayer> it worked just fine until today, right before the 'cannot auto save' or smth like that (the notification came within the game at the beginning of the new turn)
20121109 23:17:00< shadowm> silent-prayer: You can just rename or delete the saves directory instead.
20121109 23:17:30< shadowm> I think that should be ~/.local/share/wesnoth/1.10/saves
20121109 23:17:59< shadowm> It'd be nice to know what scenario you were playing when that first happened, though.
20121109 23:19:45< silent-prayer> found it before and backupped the saves already, so now just rename/delete the directory? that means the problem was not in the save files right?
20121109 23:20:29< lipkab> To find the offensive save, you could go to .local/share/wesnoth/1.10/saves, right click>Arrange Items>By modification date + Descending.
20121109 23:21:04< lipkab> That puts the last save (which presumably causes the trouble) on the top.
20121109 23:27:22< silent-prayer> hooha, the saves list showed up, i just deleted the last autosave file, which was presumed 'not being able to be created' before, hence should not exist...; for future reference, any idea how that happened?
20121109 23:28:17< lipkab> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
20121109 23:28:44< lipkab> Get that save back, we need it!!!
20121109 23:28:47< shadowm> Hard to tell now that the problematic autosave no longer exists.
20121109 23:29:04< silent-prayer> oops...
20121109 23:29:10< shadowm> Since you said this has happened before you will probably see it again, though.
20121109 23:29:25< silent-prayer> okay, i'll keep that in mind
20121109 23:29:53< lipkab> By the way, the "save could not created" thing doesn't necessarily mean that *nothing* was written on the disk.
20121109 23:30:52< lipkab> Apparently, something went wrong during writing and that resulted in a corrupted save.
20121109 23:31:20< silent-prayer> hey, i backupped the saves before, it should still be in there
20121109 23:31:32< silent-prayer> one moment
20121109 23:32:04< silent-prayer> found it
20121109 23:32:21< silent-prayer> and what should i do with it?
20121109 23:32:31< lipkab> shadowm: In fact I'm not sure if we could learn anything from a corrupted gzip archive.
20121109 23:33:10< lipkab> silent-prayer: Can you open it?
20121109 23:33:12< shadowm> We can learn where to catch that exception so it doesn't leak to the fallback exception handler.
20121109 23:33:23< shadowm> Also exactly how it should be reported to the user.
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20121109 23:36:10< silent-prayer> QUOTE: 'an error occurred while extracting files' 
20121109 23:36:57< lipkab> Yeah, the content is gone then.
20121109 23:37:41< lipkab> silent-prayer: Do you have other autosaves from the same scenario?
20121109 23:38:53< silent-prayer> from before that one (turn 15)? yeah, still  there 
20121109 23:39:45< lipkab> shadowm: You can't extract any information about the cause from that save, and for stress testing the Load dialog you could just use anything that is not a valid gzip archive.
20121109 23:40:15< lipkab> silent-prayer: Would be great if you could put it up... somewhere...
20121109 23:41:18< shadowm> lipkab: It has to be a gzip file that's corrupted, though.
20121109 23:41:32< shadowm> Something that isn't a gzip file will just go through the WML parser.
20121109 23:41:54< shadowm> Also, I didn't say I would partake in that bug hunting.
20121109 23:43:43< lipkab> I didn't want to imply that you should partake in any kind of hunting.
20121109 23:44:04< silent-prayer> put it up? the auto #15 or the one(s) before that; also, where and how exactly?
20121109 23:44:52< lipkab> silent-prayer: Well, you should be able to open that one with the archiver.
20121109 23:45:19< lipkab> There's a text file inside it, that's what we need.
20121109 23:45:48< lipkab> I dunno, maybe you could use pastebin again.
20121109 23:46:16< lipkab> ...or not, I'm not sure about the size limits there.
20121109 23:49:33< lipkab> (The auto15 is fine)
20121109 23:51:49< silent-prayer> i can open it (#14), but it's quite long, 168k lines, however the #15 cannot be opened
20121109 23:55:10< Ivanovic> silent-prayer: go to bugs.wesnoth.org and create a report describing your problem
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20121109 23:55:31< Ivanovic> please attach both saves, the broken and the working one and also paste the terminal output
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