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20121202 04:44:18< gh0st> mattsc: Ok, i think i am done with the part 2 of the lurkers task, going to push it to master now.
20121202 04:47:47< gh0st> mattsc: so attack_terrain attribute specifies the terrains from wich a lurker can attack, wander_terrain - to what terrains lurkers can move to, but cannot attack from.
20121202 04:48:32< irker577> wesnoth: alarantalara * r55797 /trunk/data/ai/ais/ai_generic-rush.cfg: 
20121202 04:48:32< irker577> wesnoth: Mark AI description as translatable
20121202 04:48:33< mattsc> gh0st: ok.  Does either one of them include the other, or are they completely independent?
20121202 04:51:13< gh0st> mattsc: Yes, attack_terrain includes wander_terrain and vice versa, so if we specify for example wander_terrain=S*,Gg and attack_terrain=S* the lurker can attack from Only S*, but move to S* and Gg terrain, from the latter it cannot attack.
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20121202 04:52:16< mattsc> gh0st: let me rephrase: if at=S* and wt=G*, does either of them include _both_ S* and G*
20121202 04:52:18< mattsc> ?
20121202 04:52:51< mattsc> It doesn't have to, I'm just trying to figure out how you set it up.
20121202 04:53:23< gh0st> no, i think.
20121202 04:53:39< mattsc> gh0st: yeah, looking at the code, I think I have my answer  :)
20121202 04:53:51< mattsc> Ok, the code looks good, let me play with it briefly.
20121202 04:55:50< mattsc> Hmm, very interesting.  I like this ...
20121202 04:57:06< mattsc> For a scenario, I would probably turn it around though.  As in, set at=G*,S* and wt=S*.  Lurkers only move through swamp, but might attack from other ground as well when they smell prey.
20121202 04:57:17< mattsc> That's not something you need to do, just thinking out loud.
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20121202 04:57:46< mattsc> The way it is set up right now, here's a situation that could happen:
20121202 04:58:30< mattsc> lurker doesn't find a swamp hex from which to attack, so he wanders randomly and ends up on a grassland hex next to an enemy.  Then the RCA AI kicks in and the lurker will attack that enemy.
20121202 04:58:50< mattsc> So it will look like it also attacks from grassland, even though the lurker AI doesn't do that.
20121202 04:59:28< mattsc> Again, nothing you need to worry about, this is up to the scenario designer to set up so that it makes sense, but it might be worth a note on the wiki.
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20121202 05:00:50< mattsc> gh0st: I like this, well done (and thanks jamit for the suggestion)
20121202 05:01:00< mattsc> Once you update the wiki, I'll mark the task as done.
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20121202 05:01:35< gh0st> Glad you liked it, and yes props to jamit.
20121202 05:05:46< mattsc> gh0st: It looks like you've done this in a way that you've already taken care of jamit's second suggestion as well.
20121202 05:07:25< gh0st> mattsc: Hm, really? Don't seem to be.
20121202 05:12:05< mattsc> Oh, re-reading it, I guess I can see a different way of interpreting that than what I did.
20121202 05:12:32< mattsc> So, don't attack if the lurker's not already on a swamp tile?  That's essentially a one-line addition.
20121202 05:13:13< mattsc> Have an attack CA with a lower priority than move: already there, the RCA combat CA
20121202 05:13:46< mattsc> Am I missing something?
20121202 05:15:46< gh0st> hm, nope. Yea, then it seems to be the second jamit's suggestion is unintentionally implemented. :)
20121202 05:16:11< mattsc> :)
20121202 05:18:20< mattsc> gh0st: so once you've put the Step 2 stuff on the wiki, I'll close the task
20121202 05:18:56< gh0st> yep, i am already on it/
20121202 05:18:58< gh0st> .
20121202 05:20:01< gh0st> mattsc: ok done, but um... I wrote it very consice.
20121202 05:20:27< gh0st> s/consice/concise
20121202 05:23:34< mattsc> gh0st: yeah, that's very short.  You also forgot the type= key
20121202 05:24:34< gh0st> ups, i just got up.
20121202 05:24:40< mattsc> Also, the first couple sentence about what lurkers do aren't quite correct any more.
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20121202 05:48:23< gh0st> mattsc: I updated the wiki, can you check if it's any good now?
20121202 05:51:38< mattsc> gh0st: Looks good.  I closed the task.
20121202 05:51:49< gh0st> mattsc: great!
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20121202 13:19:38< irker419> wesnoth: zookeeper * r55798 /trunk/data/campaigns/Two_Brothers/scenarios/03_Guarded_Castle.cfg: 
20121202 13:19:39< irker419> wesnoth: Simplified and modernized the way Baran is sighted and the gate unlocked.
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20121202 16:29:01< gh0st> mattsc: Hey! Is someone doing the animals task step 3e and 3f?
20121202 16:31:57< mattsc> gh0st: martin_bede has been working through them animal steps, but the wiki states that they can be worked on in parallel.  So if you want to, you're free to claim one of them.
20121202 16:33:00< gh0st> ok. Um, also are there going to more wesnoth tasks? :)
20121202 16:35:04< mattsc> I have a ideas for a few more tasks, but not a whole lot.  To be honest, I didn't expect you all to move through these tasks so quickly!  :)
20121202 16:37:12< mattsc> gh0st: However, if you have ideas of additional tasks that could be added, that's always a possibility.
20121202 16:39:04< mattsc> They need to be of some general usefulness to Wesnoth, but otherwise they could be anything.
20121202 16:41:19< gh0st> I don't know the game itself that much to think of any task ), but i have a couple regarding mod AI demos. Btw what's the Modification AI Demos goal?
20121202 16:43:02< mattsc> Originally, it was just me playing around with AI coding and sharing the results with others.
20121202 16:44:05< mattsc> At some point, we got more serious and now we're trying to develop things that can be useful to Wesnoth in a more general sense.  Ideally, if things get good enough, some of them might eventually be included in mainline.
20121202 16:44:25< mattsc> The current switch to Micro AI is one example, the multiplayer AIs we're working on is the other.
20121202 16:45:29< Alarantalara>  The messenger escort AI is actually already in mainline, just not as a micro AI
20121202 16:45:56< mattsc> True, as is one of the MP AIs.
20121202 16:46:53< mattsc> So if you have suggestions for AI Demos, that's fine, but it should be about something that has a chance of being useful for mainline in the long-term, rather than "just" improving our add-on.
20121202 16:48:12< mattsc> gh0st: but just make your suggestions.  Even if we cannot add them as GCI tasks, they will still be useful to us.
20121202 16:49:04< mattsc> Also, we'd very much like if at least some of you will continue to contribute to AI Demos, or Wesnoth in general,  after GCI is over  :D
20121202 16:49:15< gh0st> Cool, right now i don't have any but eventually i'll come up with something when i get more experienced.
20121202 16:49:29< gh0st> Yeah, i planned to stay. :)
20121202 16:49:59< gh0st> That's the whole point of my participation in GCI this year.
20121202 16:50:31< mattsc> Great.  Also, you do have commit access.  If you see something you can fix/improve easily, just do so.
20121202 16:51:59< gh0st> Ok, it's just that i am not used to commit anything to the main tree without permission, hehe. :)
20121202 16:52:35< mattsc> Well, the nice thing about git is that we can always revert it if we don't like it.  :)
20121202 16:53:01< gh0st> true
20121202 16:53:50< mattsc> And things don't go up on the add-ons server until I upload a new version there, so it's a very small group of people who's affected.
20121202 16:54:25< gh0st> that's good.
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20121202 16:55:10< mattsc> Anyways, I'll be afk for an hour or so.  Go ahead and claim one of the animal tasks, if you want.  I'll probably add a small number of tasks (2 or 3) sometime today, but not quite sure when yet and how they will work out.
20121202 16:55:51< gh0st> ok, sure.
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20121202 17:55:07< mattsc> Hi, martin_bede: since we will have two people working on the animals AIs in parallel now, could you make a copy of each of the files you'll be modifying and work with those copies?
20121202 17:55:46< mattsc> That way we'll avoid conflicts and I'll take care of combining them when both of you are done.
20121202 17:56:39< martin_bede> mattsc: hi, okay
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20121202 17:57:21< mattsc> Thanks
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20121202 18:16:29< mattsc> martin_bede: Umm, I just noticed something.  I don't know which of the animal AIs gh0st is working on and he's not online atm.  I'd like to avoid having both of you work on the same one.
20121202 18:18:48< martin_bede> mattsc: im almost ready with the sheep ai
20121202 18:18:51< martin_bede> should i stop?
20121202 18:19:52< mattsc> If you're almost done, no, go ahead.  My mistake (I should have asked earlier).
20121202 18:20:20< martin_bede> ok
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20121202 18:29:21< martin_bede> mattsc: so what should i do with the modified files?
20121202 18:30:05< mattsc> Commit them as usual?
20121202 18:31:11< mattsc> Actually, since you are first, you could rename them to their original names and commit.
20121202 18:31:26< mattsc> We'll deal with the second animal AI once it comes in.
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20121202 18:36:25< anonymissimus> th_
20121202 18:36:41< martin_bede> okay, i committed the changes
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20121202 18:46:59< mattsc> martin_bede: looks good.  I'll close the task.
20121202 18:47:19< martin_bede> cool, thanks
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20121202 20:23:12< YuEnDee14> Hey everyone. I'm working on modding Wesnoth for a school project, so is it alright if I hang out in here in case I need some help?
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20121202 21:05:34< Soliton> YuEnDee14: sure, you're even allowed to talk! ;-)
20121202 21:06:15< YuEnDee14> Haha, thanks. I was on here a while back, and was pointed towards modding the unit_map class
20121202 21:06:43< YuEnDee14> Essentially, we're trying to improve or at least modify existing data structures
20121202 21:08:03< Soliton> that's probably an interesting data structure, yeah.
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20121202 21:30:23< lipkab> Soliton: Hello.
20121202 21:30:52< lipkab> You're handling the mp server, right?
20121202 21:34:38< YuEnDee14> Soliton: Yeah, it's definitely interesting. Everything seems to be based on iterators
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20121202 21:57:19< Soliton> lipkab: maybe.
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20121202 21:59:09< lipkab> Soliton: Maybe you know when the trunk server was lastly rebuilt?
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20121202 22:00:12< lipkab> ..."within the last month" or "more than a month ago" is sufficient...
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20121202 22:01:11< Soliton> about a year ago. :-P
20121202 22:01:48< Soliton> i'll rebuild it in a bit.
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20121202 22:03:45< lipkab> Soliton: Great! I'll assign #20344 to you so that you can also solve a bug with the recompile ;)
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20121202 22:04:29< Soliton> \o/
20121202 22:04:48< Soliton> i figured that was the issue there.
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20121202 22:22:09< Soliton> lipkab: trunk server restarted.
20121202 22:26:11< lipkab> Soliton: Aaaand bug is gone. Thankies.
20121202 22:34:18< YuEnDee14> Does anyone online know much about the unit_map structure
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20121202 22:42:48< AI0867> YuEnDee14: enough of us do
20121202 22:42:59< AI0867> (it helps if you ask a question)
20121202 22:43:31< YuEnDee14> Ok, I just wanted to know if I'd get a response
20121202 22:43:47< YuEnDee14> I was looking through and found some todo's about updating a Boost erase function to quick_erase
20121202 22:43:59< YuEnDee14> Know anything about why that would be done?
20121202 22:58:30< AI0867> let's see
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20121202 23:00:11< AI0867> see http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_46_1/doc/html/boost/unordered_map.html
20121202 23:00:42< YuEnDee14> Awesome, thank you
20121202 23:00:47< AI0867> and http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_52_0/doc/html/boost/unordered_map.html
20121202 23:00:50< YuEnDee14> I was trying to find the documentation for those functions
20121202 23:00:56< YuEnDee14> Wasn't having any luck
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